/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.14970630]

Is there any scientific evidence for consciousness outside of the brain? Or is that it, we die and it is over?

[Anonymous No.14970671]

this has a lot of good information
https://www.reddit.com/r/TechnologyAndAliens/comments/ypzufg/the_space_war/

[Anonymous No.14970684]

>>14970630
You must accept reality nigga.

[Anonymous No.14970686]

>>14970630
It's been an accepted part of human experience for 4,000 years. Only in the last couple decades has extreme skeptoidism made people doubt their interactions with God and the spiritual.

[Anonymous No.14970860]

>>14970630
just take dmt

[non No.14970889]

>>14970630
we live on according to science, since the body's cells outlast the brain's cessation.

[Anonymous No.14970929]

>>14970630
read bible you midwitt

[Anonymous No.14970960]

>>14970630
Consciousness is embodied such that there's no center of consciousness but rather various parts of the body creates conscious moments that is fused to look like a single continuous consciousness.

If you plug a magnetic detector device to your nervous system, you're now creating a new consciousness flow whereby you can sense magnetic outlines.

Its not magic, its just the brain adapting to new sensors.

[Anonymous No.14970967]

>>14970960
To add onto this, with enough practice you can trick yourself into thinking your thoughts come from anywhere. For example: try imagining for a bit your thoughts coming from your heart i.e. the center of your chest. Eventually it should stop coming from your head (where you imagine it now) and come from your heart.
I think people in the past did this same thing.

[peep-poster No.14971299]

>>14970630
Your brain literally doesn't care about dying when you die if the later is the case. Why would you?

[Anonymous No.14971306]

>>14970630
Your ego is anxious, but growing up / meditating helps you relieve this fear and allows you to embrace that all things come to an end. It's ok and natural to stop existing, we were given this life and it will be taken away. If you enjoyed life thus far, be grateful that you at least had one.

[Anonymous No.14971310]

>>14970630
Yes. Look into near death experiences. There are cases of people being aware while they have no detectable brain activity.

[Anonymous No.14971311]

>>14970686
Based and veganpilled

[Anonymous No.14971314]

>>14970630
Consciousness is transmitted to the brain by the being we commonly call god. After your death, he'll transfer your consciousness to a puppet and make you a sexual slave

[Anonymous No.14971318]

>>14971311
are you expecting me to read all this anime shit?

[Anonymous No.14971393]

>>14971311
Good prompt, but this universe is far from perfect, even if it is in the absolute sense. Every perspective is free to delude itself with what is usually called “ego”.

[Anonymous No.14971411]

>>14970630
>Is there any scientific evidence for consciousness outside of the brain?
No, and that wouldn't make sense. Everything about you has a biological, physical basis.
Some people can't and won't accept that because for thousands of years most of the world made up beautiful comfy stories about death, the afterlife, your loved ones waiting for you somewhere, a greater purpose, divine judgment, etc. and a lot of people are indoctrinated from birth to believe in all of that with zero evidence needed.
And they need that because if you remove those beliefs from their life most of them will think that nothing matters and they may as well kill themselves.

So yeah, just make the most of your time here, enjoy what you like, spend time with your loved ones, chose what is the most important for you.

[Anonymous No.14971418]

>>14971393
How is this universe not perfect unless you tell me what's not perfect then you are just contrarian

[Anonymous No.14971429]

>>14970630
If consciousness is not outside the brain, whenever you stepped into a transporter, you would die and a copy of you would materialize on the other end. But this is impossible to verify because to every other observer you are still you. It would be impossible for anyone to verify if you are an original or a clone from observation of the physical body. Therefore we must conclude that there is some factor outside the body that defines such information.

[Anonymous No.14971469]

>>14970630
Neither your question nor your dichotomy make any sense.

[Anonymous No.14971523]

>>14970630
their is no evidence of consciousness in the brain.
how many brain cells do you need to be aware 100 50 10 1?do you see the problem now?

[Anonymous No.14971582]

>>14971523
Anyone who doesn't "see the problem" on their own was born physically incapable of seeing the problem and is probably a bot, so these types of discussions are useless.

[bodhi No.14971588]

>>14971311
"To die would be awfully big adventure" - Peter Pan

[Anonymous No.14971620]

>>14970630
Well I mean. All brains outside yours carry conscience to some degree. So there's that.

[Anonymous No.14971696]

>>14971418
It's both perfect and imperfect depending on your definition. Everything fits perfectly together, and all perspectives are "optimal" in their ability to process their states of awareness, yet the ego may create entanglements of unwanted experiences reducing the consciousness's freedom to imagine and expand itself. In practice, this means one can imagine their own fears and create more of them while trying to escape them. Consciousness is free, because there is nothing outside of it to limit it, but it is also free to become its own limitation.

[Anonymous No.14971769]

>>14970630
There's no scientific evidence for consciousness inside the brain.
"Consciousness is the prima materia" - Elemental Elementalism 1.1.

[Anonymous No.14971771]

>>14971620
Begging question

[Anonymous No.14971779]

>>14971411
>So yeah, just make the most of your time here, enjoy what you like, spend time with your loved ones, chose what is the most important for you.

[Anonymous No.14971784]

>>14971411
Your belief of physicalism is not based on evidence.

[Anonymous No.14971799]

>>14971784
Materialists are bunch of morons. Their so-called evidences aren't based on scientific evidence because they are not scientist. They are no different than NPCs.

[Anonymous No.14971826]

I just don't understand why somebody would program a device in a way where everything is computed in the cloud. Imagine putting your phone in airplane mode and it just stops working, can't even use the calculator anymore. That's the equivalent of your consciousness living on a server somewhere, instead of in your brain. So would it only be certain things that get processed on the server, but stuff like vision still works with just your brain?

I also don't understand why animals don't communicate telepathically, if everyone is receiving data from a somewhere else. Again, I can send messages with my phone, but animals relying on smell and noise for communication is the equivalent of using your phone to send signals with the flashlight. Why would things not evolve to intercept messages from each other, instead of exposing their location to predators

[Anonymous No.14971831]

>>14971523
Why is a whale more conscious than a dog, but a human is more conscious than a whale. Somehow it seems like there is a correlation with how complex your brain is and how aware you are

[Anonymous No.14971920]

>>14970630
There is no static thing in the universe in the first place, it’s like that quote, “In order to make an apple pie you must first invent the universe”. If consciousness is not purely physical then you can believe there is a concrete you somehow. Like every other physical interaction between particles and atoms and cells your brain is constantly reiterating and rewriting information and cells and neurons are always going poof or growing, if you remember the same memory twice in a minute it’s actually two different things. But this is unacceptable because you aren’t just an ever shifting and reiterating set of systems in a massive mess of interworking and interconnected systems within systems within systems within systems going from fundamental particles to galactic megastructures, you’re a thing! You’re real! You make decisions and believe and feel and respond based on your own volition, all the fuzzy wuzzies of physics stop with you. You’re a special drop in the ocean of water and I could fish that specific drop out without pulling out anything else, not even one extra molecule of liquid, just you.

[Anonymous No.14972095]

the metaphysics boards are /lit/ and /his/

[Anonymous No.14972431]

>>14970630

[Anonymous No.14972433]

>>14970929
https://biblehub.com/ezekiel/4-12.htm

[Anonymous No.14972448]

>another weeaboo in OP
*sages, reports and hides*

[bodhi No.14972512]

>>14971826
cute puppers

[Anonymous No.14972583]

>>14970630
I hate to break it to you but you are not conscious. Only I am conscious. You are an NPC created by my being and if I did not exist you wouldn't either.

[bodhi No.14972594]

>>14972583
post you collapsing a wave function tulpa cuck

[Anonymous No.14972601]

>>14972583
How do you know you are conscious?

[Anonymous No.14972604]

>>14972431
Scott Adams might be a cuck IRL, but his comics are always on point.

[Anonymous No.14972634]

>>14972601
personal experience.

[Anonymous No.14972668]

>>14972634
Even if you weren't conscious you would think that you were conscious from personal experience.

[Anonymous No.14972671]

>>14972668
No, you wouldn't think anything because you weren't conscious. Cogito ergo sum.

[Anonymous No.14972709]

>>14972583
You are not conscious of your future and your past, yet they exist. Same thing with "others".

[Anonymous No.14972720]

>>14972709
>they exist
nope. constructs. they are concepts that "exist" only so far as my consciousness manifests them.

[Anonymous No.14972725]

>>14972720
That's the point. Same with past and future, these are only concepts until realized. Yet there is no reason to disregard there existence, as it's rational and consistent with our experience.

[Anonymous No.14972740]

>>14972448
>Anime board

[Anonymous No.14972833]

>>14970967
What the heck? Does this actually work? Can you point me to a keyword so I can read more about this? I'm aware of the illusions regarding our perceived body map, but is it a trainable skill to modify it consciously?

[Anonymous No.14972838]

>>14971696
Wow, a smart person on /sci/ for once. Are you vegan?

[Anonymous No.14972876]

>>14970630
Nope.

The void is all that awaits you. Sorry.

[Anonymous No.14972895]

>>14971310
>There are cases of people being aware while they have no detectable brain activity.
they didnt and that never happened but okay just keep on coping with your own death in whatever way you can I guess.

[Anonymous No.14972897]

>>14970630
I am not sure. There's so many points out there on this topic, it's hard to get through all of them. Formal reasoning can get you to both materialist and panpsychist answers. I tried to "prove" it to myself once with a very detailed setup, yet I found I could argue for either case. I am stuck in a loop after about 25000 logical operations. I am starting to think reasoning and any experience within this universe is simply not enough to arrive to a conclusion.

[Anonymous No.14972903]

>>14971920
I agree with your perspective entirely but you don't need to be such a condescending dick to him, he's clearly struggling to cope with the nature of his own existence - which is entirely reasonable, we all have to do it at one point or another.

[Anonymous No.14972912]

>>14970630
If it makes you feel any better, if the materialist perspective is to be believed, then it will be akin to going to sleep forever. it's sad that you die, but as long as you do everything you reasonably can and keep good relationships, the fact that it's ending isn't so bad. Even within our own lives things we care about die, and that's okay. It's a part of life.

I'm sorry you're thinking about this so much anon, I hope life is treating you well enough. and if it isn't, then I hope it gets better soon :)

[Anonymous No.14972961]

>>14971311
>veganpilled
muy basado

[Anonymous No.14972965]

>>14972961
Where do you people come from lol

[Anonymous No.14972966]

>>14970967
oh no
I did this and now all my thoughts are coming directly from my penis
I can't change it anymore
help

[Anonymous No.14972971]

>>14972668
thought is either defined as a subset of consciousness or as the entire cognitive process itself
in other words, if you weren't conscious, there would be no thought at all regardless of definition

[Anonymous No.14972973]

>>14972965
a higher realm of consciousness than lowly death-eaters

[Anonymous No.14973568]

>>14970967
>>14972833
There was a guy on other imageboard who transferred his consciousness that way to a coin and he reaped all the benefits of not having ego in body (lessening anxieties, fear of death, bolstering courage to do anything with your life etc.) without years of doing Buddhism shit. He also said that when something happened to the coin, he would be anxious about it for a short time and then insert himself into a new one.

[Anonymous No.14973587]

>>14970630
0 evidence.
NDE is filled with halucinating retards who think they fly and see jesus, depending on their culture and country.

Its simple as ..drinking water.
After we die it will be just like we never been born.
There will be no justice, no end, no peace.
It will be just like before we were born, complete void.
Thats a good thing for me because I want nothing to do with this world or the gods who created this shithole.
I dont want no heaven, I dont want no life after, I dont want the 72 virgins, I dont give a fuck about nirvana, I just want to stop existing.

[Anonymous No.14973646]

>>14970630

1st premise: consciousness and mind are 2 different things: Mind is the ensemble of perceptions which are not body, consciousness is the unifiying substrate which perceives body and mind.

2nd premise: You can be a materialist and believe in an afterlife (Resurrection of the bodies), just like you can be a non-materialist and believe life is over after death (Mortal soul, like Aristotle and Spinoza believed)

That being said, even if we suppose mind is not the result of matter, there is still undeniable evidence that the two are connected in a psychophysical parallelism.
So by logic, if the body decomposes, even the mind should decompose.
Consciousness is immortal by definition, it can't decompose, but it is empty, it only perceives the non-perceiveness, an eternal sleep without time, which we cannot conceive.

So the only way to believe in a life after death is through faith, we don't have any scientific proof for that.

[Anonymous No.14973727]

>>14972838
Is this satire? You are expected to demonize practical understandings of metaphysics while making fun of schizophrenia. I'm vegan.

[Anonymous No.14975627]

>>14973587
>Thats a good thing for me because I want nothing to do with this world or the gods who created this shithole.
I dont want no heaven, I dont want no life after, I dont want the 72 virgins, I dont give a fuck about nirvana, I just want to stop existing.

You can't prove otherwise, too. You have no evidence for being void after dying. You're just making word-salad to seem smart. You have mid-wit syndrome which is common among autists.