Am I stupid?

[Anonymous No.14963609]

They say "machines are going to take over our jobs in the future, making every human worker obsolete and that's a bad thing!" and I'm thinking like why?? isn't that a great thing? that we don't have to work anymore, ever? currently, we have to work from Monday to Friday. we literally live for our job, and sleep at home. So isn't it a good thing that machines can just work for us and we can stay at home doing nothing?
"oh but who's going to pay for the bills?" the machines will!
-machine make me a plate of food! :bling: is done!
-machine go outside and make electricity from solar light! :ping: machine done electricity!
why should I worry about anything? I say hurry up with these things! In the future they will look at us like a bunch o savages that enjoy being a slave

[Anonymous No.14963617]

because boomers are afraid of change

[Anonymous No.14963643]

>>14963609
>Am I stupid?

No.
Your descendant will be born into a K2 civilization.
He will have his own O'Neill cylinder with the equivalent of an Earth continent's worth of space and a few hundred million humanoid robots that worship him as a God.

[Strange Love No.14963649]

>>14963609

>Am I stupid?

With a rather high probability ... yes. And that is why you'll be considered obsolete in that future, fleshie. :)

[Anonymous No.14963653]

>>14963609
>>14963617
>>14963643
It's not the jobs you have to worry about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvehj0KvzK8

[Anonymous No.14963673]

>>14963609
Unless you own the machines you will still have to work, you just won't have a job you antisemite

[Anonymous No.14963839]

being idle can cause social instability
>>14963673
>owning the machines
If machines get so cheap it should be easy to buy many. Just ask 1 robot to make more robots for you
Ultimate scarcity is in land and resources like water or oil. Such resources you cant make, you have to conquer

[Anonymous No.14963843]

>>14963609
Because if you have no job, you will have no money, so you'll starve to death.
>but no jobs = free stuff???
In theory, that should be the case. Unfortunately, humans are stupid and greedy and always find a way to ruin everything, see also literally all of history.

[Anonymous No.14963853]

>>14963609
most people can't think through the consequences more than a few steps because it makes their brain hurt. The consequences of machines and automation starting to replace people means non-elites will have to initiate a revolution to bring about more socialist/communistic type system before the elites start killing them off because their labor isn't needed anymore oh hang on a minute....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGZJfVR9-wo

[Anonymous No.14964021]

>>14963609

[Anonymous No.14964026]

That isn't what would happen. all that would happen is the decent non slave labor jobs would be replaced by automation and all that will be left is the wagie jobs with no way to move up, and they won't pay more with those jobs, so the vast majority of people will go back to working 20 hours a day, have fun

[Anonymous No.14964038]

>>14963609
You realize things can simultaneously be beneficial and bad, right? Like drinking your own piss when you are very thirsty.

[Anonymous No.14964054]

>making every human worker obsolete
>why should I worry about it?
what do you do with useless things?

[Anonymous No.14964924]

>>14963609
>So isn't it a good thing that machines can just work for us and we can stay at home doing nothing?
this will never happen as long as (((they))) are alive. The jetsons pictured this idea and its not happening,
I do wonder what a world with 30 hr standard work week would look like. An extra day for people to be free. How would they use it? Would they follow their passions or just waste it watching tv.

[Anonymous No.14965074]

>>14963839
Ultimate scarcity is what the owners of the machines decide is scarcity

[Anonymous No.14965095]

>>14963609
>They say "machines are going to take over our jobs in the future, making every human worker obsolete"
Predictive programming propaganda designed to convince people to forfeit their agency and go along with this anti-human agenda by regarding it as an inevitability.

> and that's a bad thing!" and I'm thinking like why??
Dehumanizing every human endeavor is a bad thing. Creating a population of idle consoomers with no real goals and no purpose in life is a bad thing. It doesn't represent an upgrade over the pointless grind of so-called "capitalism" with its meaningless, mind-numbing "jobs" -- it represents a doubling down on the extraction of any source of meaning and interest from modern existence. It reduces you into cattle, and your handlers have made it very, VERY clear that they don't need so much cattle.

[Anonymous No.14965116]

>>14965095
>Creating a population of idle consoomers with no real goals and no purpose in life is a bad thing

Why are you so racist against Africans!

[Anonymous No.14965119]

>>14965116
Your pic unironically represents an outcome of the same degenerate system of values that promotes OP's vile human replacement fetish.

[Anonymous No.14965123]

>>14965119
>OP's vile human replacement fetish.

I agree, I am still angry over using horses instead of enslaved women to plow the fields!

[Anonymous No.14965126]

>>14965123
I don't know what your mentally ill rambling is about. Leave it to your psychiatrist. Is there something about my post that you want to directly address or do you wanna continue having your little fit?

[Anonymous No.14965158]

>>14965119
>vile human replacement fetish
>>14965126
>Is there something about my post that you want to directly address

Jobs that are just basic physical labor do not allow the individual to express their humanness.
These jobs should be replaced with technology.
It is FAR BETTER that people be given welfare or a UBI and stay at home caring for their loved ones then spend endless hours doing a task that a machine can do.
I most emphatically WANT technology used to ease the human condition.

[Anonymous No.14965163]

>>14965158
>Jobs that are just basic physical labor do not allow the individual to express their humanness.
I've already addressed this stupid red herring. Meaningless jobs come from exactly the same place your human replacement fetish comes from.

[Anonymous No.14965170]

>>14965163
>Meaningless jobs

We can not ALL be farmers.
We NEED these "meaningless jobs' to survive.
We do NOT need these jobs done by humans, automation can greatly increase the overall well being of everyone.

[Anonymous No.14965174]

Why do people think massive automation = no jobs?
For each job that gets automated, several engineering and maintenance technician jobs arise. I don't care how many layers of automation you apply either. Automation just filters brainlets which I see as a big plus for humanity desu

[Anonymous No.14965179]

>>14965170
>We can not ALL be farmers.
Show me where I said we call need to be farmers. It's really funny how you demonstrate the intimate connection between mental illness and technocattle utopianism just with the way you react.

>We NEED these "meaningless jobs' to survive.
Do you care to elaborate on this psychosis-tier statement?

[nonnarcissism No.14965180]

>>14963609
they what.

[Anonymous No.14965182]

>>14965174
>For each job that gets automated, several engineering and maintenance technician jobs arise.
Secular quasi-religions are truly something else. Imagine having this faith. This acolyte of market magic will die on this hill, too, raving and foaming at the mouth.

[Anonymous No.14965186]

>>14965179
>>14965182
Dude, I see where you are going.
There is a community of people who agree with your philosophy. You should join them.

[Anonymous No.14965188]

>>14965186
Looks like you're only capable of two types of responses: incongruent psychiatric rambling, or generic teenage tweet deflections.

[Anonymous No.14965190]

>>14965182
What the fuck are you talking about
>shlomo owns 1 factory which needs 100 people to operate
>shlomo automates factory, which now requires only 1 person to operate
>shlomo's long run costs are now 1% of what they were thanks to economies of scale and he opens 99 more factories
>the 99 people he laid off previously can either upskill and learn to operate the new factories or die like the useless retards they are
>repeat until tier 0 civilization

[Anonymous No.14965196]

>>14965190
>What the fuck are you talking about
I am talking about your completely irrational faith. It may very well be the case that automation will result in more jobs being created than destroyed during the transitionary phase from little automation to ubiquitous automation, but it should be completely obvious that the end goal of automation is to replace human workers, not to increase the demand for human workers, and the success of automation is therefore measured in how much it manages to destroy rather than create demand for human labor.

[Anonymous No.14965207]

>>14965190
>>the 99 people he laid off previously can either upskill and learn to operate the new factories or die like the useless retards they are
>>repeat until tier 0 civilization

Who do you think buys the products Shlomo produces?
Automation increases the overall wealth of a civilization.

[Anonymous No.14965209]

>Automation increases the overall wealth of a civilization.
>I will own nothing and I will be happy because [abstract entity] is richer

[Anonymous No.14965217]

>all of the replies in this thread
>not even 1 faggot adressing the fact that people are meant to work, like any living being specialized to perform their tasks
>any self-sustaining industrial system that can think and act for itself makes humanity as whole fucking useless, resulting in extreme depopulation, complete extinction of human beings, or altering us beyond recognition
Here's your high IQ board, the future is clearly post-human.

[Anonymous No.14965222]

>>14965217
Multiple people have made your kiddie point ITT much better than you.

[Anonymous No.14965228]

>>14965222
such as?

[Anonymous No.14965232]

>>14965228
Such as >>14965095

[Anonymous No.14965240]

>>14965232
except i'm not talking about elites, imagine an AI that can think for itself willingly serving an elite of people that can't understand the complexity of their own technological system and are a burden to the system

[Anonymous No.14965245]

>>14965240
Oh, you're an AGI schizophrenic.

[Anonymous No.14965249]

>>14965245
>muh automation makes infinite shit, included creative allocation of resources so nobody will ever work again!
>you're an AGI schizo

[Anonymous No.14965252]

>>14965249
Time and time again the posters ITT demonstrate that modern technotroonery induces mental illnesses in the general population.

[Anonymous No.14965265]

>>14965252
No, it demonstrates that transhumanists lack self-awareness.

[Anonymous No.14965271]

>>14965265
Why are you rambling about muh AGI overlords wiping out humanity, if you're not mentally ill? What does it have to do with this thread?

[Anonymous No.14965276]

>>14965249
What is wrong with having worker-bots doing all the labor and efficiently managing the delivery of supplies to each person?
Everyone gets to live a life of luxury, spending time with friends and loved ones.

[Anonymous No.14965281]

>Everyone gets to live a life of luxury, spending time with friends and loved ones.
These people actually believe it...

[Anonymous No.14965287]

>>14965271
>why are you talking about AGI in a thread about automation solving every human problem?
>you're mentally ill
Way to project, faggot.

[Anonymous No.14965294]

>>14965276
>what's wrong with not using your legs if machine can walk for you?
>what's wrong with not building families if machine can breed thousands of humans for you?
>what's wrong with stop thinking if machine can think for you
What's wrong is you're not needed anymore as a sub-system.

[Anonymous No.14965295]

>>14965281
You are NOT working now, desperate to find enough food and safe water. You are relaxing, shit-posting to strangers and you do NOT believe you are living a life of luxury???
Your ancestors would think you are in heaven.

[Anonymous No.14965297]

>>14965287
>you can't have le heckin' automation without magical AGI overlords that think for themselves and wipe out humanity!!
Mentally ill troon.

[Anonymous No.14965303]

>>14965295
>You are NOT working now, desperate to find enough food and safe water
Neither were my pre-civilizational ancestors.

>you do NOT believe you are living a life of luxury???
Our current mode of existence isn't the worst that your degenerate system of values has inflicted upon humanity so far, but it's certainly up there, and the rate of mental illness, suicide, social dysfunction, general dissatisfaction and phisiological diseases reflects it clearly.

[Anonymous No.14965304]

>>14965294
>What's wrong is you're not needed anymore as a sub-system.

EXCELLENT! Let the machines handle the basics of survival while humans dedicate themselves to living lives filled with intellectual, emotional, artistic, and societal endeavors.

[Anonymous No.14965306]

>>14965297
Nice strawman retarded nigger, are you assmad because a machine can potentially think for you?

[Anonymous No.14965307]

>EXCELLENT! Let the machines handle the basics of survival while humans dedicate themselves to living lives filled with intellectual, emotional, artistic, and societal endeavors.
Is this cretin even human? It talks like a bot.

[Anonymous No.14965310]

>>14965307

We know what sided of the wall you want to live on.

[Anonymous No.14965312]

>>14965304
>What is evolution?
>he thinks men and women are build they way they are for no reason instead of performing their tasks inside their social system
Nice cope.

[Anonymous No.14965316]

>>14965310
Another bot post. Are you human? Are you able to shit out a single sentence that isn't a cliche'd regurgitation that's been uttered tens of thousands of times almost word for word by other cretins like you?

[Anonymous No.14965324]

>>14965316
>Are you human?

I am just curious what makes you hate technology.
My neighbor gets up each morning for a jog. He runs in the rain, with barking dogs, avoiding bums, etc. I also run each morning but I do it on a treadmill in an air conditioned room while watching videos. I never get stuck three miles form home needing to take a shit while jogging. I just get off the treadmill and use the facilities.

I do not understand people who shun modern technology and think we are somehow worse off for living easier lives.

[Anonymous No.14965333]

>>14965324
>you heckin' hate technology!!!
Dumb strawman.

>i heckin' hate going outside!!
>i prefer to stay in my pod and run on my hanster wheel while breathing in stale indoor air and watching intellectual goyslop
You are deeply diseased, but nevermind that. I just want to know why you think the people selling you this technocattle utopia fantasy have any incentive whatsoever to provide you with a luxurious life once they have nothing to extract from your miserable existence.

[Anonymous No.14965343]

>>14965333
>people selling you this technocattle utopia fantasy have any incentive whatsoever to provide you with a luxurious life once they have nothing to extract from your miserable existence.

Do you imagine the future is some miser in a castle swimming in a pool of gold while everyone else is living in hovels?

You are crazy, technology helps a civilization to become wealthier. The standard of living increases for the population as they become more technological.

[Anonymous No.14965349]

>>14965343
I'm asking you again: what incentive do your handlers have to reward you with a luxurious life once they have no use for you?

[Anonymous No.14965360]

>>14965349
>what incentive do your handlers have to reward you with a luxurious life once they have no use for you?

Do you think the rich live in a separate world isolated form everyone?
I assure you Tiger Woods eats at a family diner just like everyone else.
Elon Musk for all his wealth uses the exact same IPhone as everyone else.
There is no "handlers' of the people, no inner cabal of evil plotting villains.
The world is getting better for everyone and technology is making things easier and safer for most people.
I am looking forward to the many advanced in technology yet to come.

[Anonymous No.14965363]

>>14965119
Wrong, because in africa no work gets done, which is the direct opposite to OP's argument

[Anonymous No.14965367]

>>14965360
So what's their incentive to reward you with a luxurious life once they have no use for you? Why can't you answer the question?

[Anonymous No.14965369]

>>14965363
Africa didn't have these disgusting slums or didn't suffer from such abject poverty until OP's subhuman system of values was foisted upon it.

[Anonymous No.14965373]

>>14965363
>because in africa no work gets done

I can not think of ANYTHING that Africa produces other than natural resources and spammers.

[Anonymous No.14965375]

>>14965369
>Africa didn't have these disgusting slums or didn't suffer from such abject poverty until OP's subhuman system of values was foisted upon it.

Technology is NOT the reason Africans are poor.

[Anonymous No.14965385]

>>14965367
>So what's their incentive to reward you with a luxurious life once they have no use for you?

I already live a luxurious life as you do.
Your ancestors would claim you are living in paradise. Have you EVER had to go multiple days without food or had to worry about the safety of your water?

[Anonymous No.14965386]

>>14965375
I didn't say technology is the reason African was poor. Are you going to take your meds any time soon? Your respones are consistently psychotic and incoherent.

[Anonymous No.14965387]

>>14965343
>You are crazy, technology helps a civilization to become wealthier
This is a terrible way to view technology.

For sure it gives you more productive capacity, but not without the price of changing human beings forever, like enslaving you for the sake of efficiency.

[Anonymous No.14965389]

>>14965385
What incentive do your handlers have to redistribute any resources to you to even maintain your current quality of life, let alone one of utopian luxuries? Notice how you start losing your mind and engage in desperate deflection whenever I ask you this question.

[Anonymous No.14965396]

>>14965389
>What incentive do your handlers have to redistribute any resources to you to even maintain your current quality of life, let alone one of utopian luxuries?

Distribution of resources is a based on economic system and form of government.
I assure my future standard of living by saving money for my retirement. Those with less income generally rely on the Social Security System to give them an income adequate to survive on in their latter years .
Are you worried about my retirement savings?
Thank you, you can relax... I believe I have enough to retire comfortably when the time comes.

[Anonymous No.14965398]

>>14965396
What's the incentive?

[Anonymous No.14965408]

>>14965398
>What's the incentive?

I sell my abilities to those who pay me well.
If they do not give me an adequate income then I leave them and work for other who do.
Their 'incentive' is to have me work for them and use my abilities to make more money for them then they pay me. I can use the money they pay me to live a "luxurious" life and have enough left over to save for the future.
Is this confusing to you?

[Anonymous No.14965409]

>>14965398
There's no incentive, because you're talking to a retard who can't understand behavior as something designed to solve a problem instead of just having fun with le epic bing bing wahoo intellectual, emotional, artistic, and societal endeavors while machines do all the work.

[Anonymous No.14965413]

>>14965408
>I sell my abilities to those who pay me well.
What abilities? Everything is automated. You seem to have lost your mind completely. lol

[Anonymous No.14965426]

>>14965413
>Everything is automated.

If everything is automated then the production should be huge, and the products produced so inexpensive that everyone can afford it even if they are on welfare or a UBI.

[Anonymous No.14965432]

>>14965426
>everyone can afford it even if they are on welfare or a UBI.
What's the incentive of the producers to give you all that free shit so thay you could live a life of luxury?
>b-b-but it's not free, i will buy it... using my GoodGoy points that they will award me for no reason
This is wha tmental illness looks like.

[Anonymous No.14965443]

>>14965432
>What's the incentive of the producers to give you all that free shit so thay you could live a life of luxury?

Producing stuff is useless unless someone is consuming. Their 'incentive' is to make a profit selling what they have produced. Luxury is relative. You probably eat better than even the richest king did 200 years ago.

[Anonymous No.14965453]

>>14965443
>Producing stuff is useless unless someone is consuming.
They have the incentive to produce stuff for themselves to consume. What's their incentive to produce stuff for you and give it to you for free?

[Anonymous No.14965465]

>>14965453
>What's their incentive to produce stuff for you and give it to you for free?

My apologies, but are you mentally challenged?
People produce things to sell them for a profit.
Their incentive is to make money.
Unless forced to, or for altruistic reasons, people do not produce things to give away for free.

Since you only ask the same question endlessly, I assume you are a bot.
I am done.

[Anonymous No.14965475]

>>14965465
>People produce things to sell them for a profit.
What profit do they make from producing things and giving them to you for free?

[Anonymous No.14965490]

Take this from an overqualified process operator at a pharmaceutical plant: machines are stupid and constantly break, deviate from specs and require constant monitoring, adjustment, maintenance and repairs.

[Anonymous No.14965514]

>>14965490
>take this from [prime candidate for replacement]: machines are stupid and will never replace me
Meanwhile in reality:
https://youtu.be/tF4DML7FIWk?t=43

[Anonymous No.14965528]

>>14965514
You have a weird perception of what a plant operator does. What do you think they do? Hint: it has nothing to do with being a circus acrobat.
Although I enjoy the idea of plant operators flic-flacing through their facilities.

[Anonymous No.14965540]

>>14965528
My first instinct is to say you have a weird perception of what future production lines will look like, but on second thought, it's not so weird that an unimaginative human automaton sees a future only in terms of what it's used to. This is what a "job" does to a person.

[Anonymous No.14965598]

>>14965540
I don't know man, the entire production line is already automated but yet somehow I'm still here and get paid.
Shouldn't my job be rationalized by now? I hope they didn't forget me :(

[Anonymous No.14965602]

>>14965598
See >>14965540

[Anonymous No.14965615]

>>14965294
Needed by whom? No person is more useful than anyone else in a world of full automation. When everyone is useless no one is useless.

[Anonymous No.14965629]

>>14963853
Yep, they're already depopulating you.

[Anonymous No.14965635]

>>14965602
The point is that you're lacking a basic understanding in control theory and economics.

[Anonymous No.14965636]

>>14965635
You have made no point except to demonstrate your own dronelike nature.

[Anonymous No.14965639]

>>14965360
>There is no "handlers' of the people, no inner cabal of evil plotting villains.
"You will own nothing and you will be happy."

[Anonymous No.14965651]

>>14965639
Why are you even entertaining this low IQ bot's preprogrammed rhetoric?

[Anonymous No.14965770]

>>14965369
You're right, in fact Africa didn't have anything until other people came along and gave them all this stuff, which they promptly shit on and ran to the ground

[Anonymous No.14965776]

>>14963653
>title says "100 billion trillion" as if that is an actual number
I don't watch videos made by morons, so not watching. Assuming they mean "100 times 1 billion times 1 trillion" that number is called 100 sextillion and they should commit suicide.

[Anonymous No.14966090]

>>14965475
What profit do you need to make when you already have everything you need?
The concept of "profit", in the context of your argument, is a jewish made propaganda tool, there is no need for any profit in a world where everyone has the things they need.

[Anonymous No.14966309]

>>14965475
>do they make
With full automation there is no they, the machines do everything
>they own the machines
The machines are free too so you can get infinite machines. Or you can buy 100 android slaves for 1 cent and they go to work and make you millions in profit each day

[Anonymous No.14966316]

>>14966309
>The machines are free too so you can get infinite machines.
The machines owned by the global elites whose stated goal is to reduce the population below 1 billion?

[Anonymous No.14966326]

>>14966316
>The machines owned by the global elites whose stated goal is to reduce the population below 1 billion?
Are we talking about today or some hypothetical future of full automation?
Because in full automation there would not be elites. Theres nothing any human could do to be above any other human.
Machines would be nearly free so anyone would have them

[Anonymous No.14966344]

>>14965119
>human replacement fetish
My favorite.

[Anonymous No.14967689]

That's a surprising amount of luddites on a board about science.

[Anonymous No.14967824]

>>14967689
Luddites? In my board? Its more likely than you think.

[Anonymous No.14967828]

>>14966309
>With full automation there is no they,
The people who created and who operate the machines cease to exist? I'm not even challenging you at this point. I just don't to see how deep your mental illness goes.

[Anonymous No.14967841]

>>14967689
Where there's sci-fi fanfic writers like you there's bound to be some opposition. This thread obviously has nothing to do with science.

[Anonymous No.14967924]

>>14967828
>The people who created and who operate the machines cease to exist?
You contradict the premise of full automation. There are no operators, and the machines can create more of themselves. So any person can have as many as desired at no cost.

[Anonymous No.14967941]

>>14967924
>You contradict the premise of full automation. There are no operators,
So the premise of "full automation" is that no one controls the machines? What does your mentally ill fantasy have to do with reality? Of course the people who will build these machines will give themselves control over production.

[Anonymous No.14967953]

>>14967941
The premise is that they would be so cheap that anyone could have them. There is no scarcity anymore and the automation implies anyone can have them without having great wealth or education.
Why would machines that can make themselves and not require operators be scarce or expensive? Explain yourself

[Anonymous No.14967958]

>>14967953
>they would be so cheap that anyone could have them
Everyone will have their own production facility? And why would they be cheap?

[Anonymous No.14967968]

>>14967958
>Everyone will have their own production facility? And why would they be cheap?
Its implied by the statement of "full automation". Yes, everyone could have his own facility.
It seems retarded because you are not used to that notion but thats what "full automation" implies. Of course that is not the reality of the world, you are limited by labor output and by limits of personal knowledge.
If every person had A.Is and robots working for them, there is no upper limit to wealth. No scarcity, so one person could give machines to everybody and not lose anything.

[Anonymous No.14967974]

>>14967968
>Its implied by the statement of "full automation".
You can cram all kinds of delusional fantasies under your personal definition, but to me, "full automation" simply implies replacing human laborers with machines. How do you get from a state where most people are simply out of work while production is controlled by an elite class, to a state where everyone has their own means of production? Why would the people who control production enable this outcome?

[Anonymous No.14967983]

>>14967974
>. How do you get from a state where most people are simply out of work while production is controlled by an elite class, to a state where everyone has their own means of production?
Because the cost of production of everything drops to zero.
Imagine of everybody had 10.000 slaves, thats the kind of wealth that would be created if there was full automation.

[Anonymous No.14967990]

>>14967983
>Because the cost of production of everything drops to zero.
Absolute nonsequitur.

[Anonymous No.14967996]

>>14967990
>Absolute nonsequitur.
What would be the cost of making anything when labor has zero costs and machinery can reproduce itself? (autonomous robots making other autonomous robots).
You would not have to pay workers nor buy robots, the cost is zero.

[Anonymous No.14968003]

>>14963609
Because people with power will not give up their power. They're desperate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6lQBkz8FGE

[Anonymous No.14968005]

>>14967996
>What would be the cost of making anything
I didn't ask you anything about costs. I asked you how you get from a situation where a small segment of the population controls production and you have nothing to bargain with, to a situation where they let you have your own means of production.

[Anonymous No.14968009]

>>14966326
>Because in full automation there would not be elites. Theres nothing any human could do to be above any other human.
>Machines would be nearly free so anyone would have them
What reason would the current rulers of the world have to give you the technology to elevate yourself to their level? They want to humiliate and impoverish you because they derive satisfaction from it.

[Anonymous No.14968019]

>>14968009
Please don't interrupt, anon. I just want to see how far his mental illness goes. He is wrong by default because raw resources on this planet are finite and valuable, so his entire worldview is a nonstarter in any case, but let him explain how his magical utopia will come to be, step by step, in his imagination.

[Anonymous No.14968023]

>>14968005
>I didn't ask you anything about costs
Well im telling you its about costs. When the cost f something is zero and anyone can become a supplier the no one can become some type of lord controlling.
>>14968009
>What reason would the current rulers of the world have to give you the technology to elevate yourself to their level?
If the technology is kept secret then it might as well not exist because it would have no effect in your life and you would not know it exists, it makes no difference.
On the other hand of general A.Is with 1000 IQ were free to download and you could buy immortal androids that can build other androids and that have all knowledge of humanity embedded in them, then they basically are free.
Of course it doesnt exist and it doesnt work if such technologies were just kept suppressed, hypothetically.

[Anonymous No.14968026]

>>14968019
>He is wrong by default because raw resources on this planet are finite and valuable
Full automation doesnt exist anyway, this is purely an academic exercise.

[Anonymous No.14968031]

>>14968023
>Well im telling you its about costs
You're not "telling" me anything, animal. You can "tell" things to "people" on your level. We're just having a study of animal psychology here.

>If the technology is kept secret then it might as well not exist
Why? They can produce their shit without letting you know how it all works, let alone giving you the means to reproduce it yourself.

[Anonymous No.14968032]

>>14968019
>step by step,
Step by step is not realistic because we are actually discussing a magical situation of full automation, it doesnt exist and i dont think theres any sequence of steps that lead to it.
If however we were MAGICALLY living in a world with full automation, which on its own is a retarded magical idea, there would not be something like "an elite", no human would have an upper hand against another.

[Anonymous No.14968038]

>>14968031
>They can produce their shit without letting you know how it all works
See you are trying to combine two impossible situations: A word with full automation and total knowledge and 1000 IQ A.Is with a situation where technology is scarce.
Lets take your ideas to the extreme: What if some specific group of humans became extremely powerful and just exterminated all humanity except for thenselves and a few of their friends and families and then these live in luxury?
Then these peoples would basically become "humanity".
What is stupid would be for some elite to have no need for masses of workers and keep them alive forever while also not sharing its technology, its a loss-loss situation.

[Anonymous No.14968042]

>>14968038
I already told you I don't care about your schizophrenic fantasies. I'm talking about automation replacing most or all human workers. In and of itself, this does not imply the ruling class losing control over production, nor does it imply you gaining access to their technologies.

[Anonymous No.14968044]

>>14968042
If some elite kills all workers because they are not needed then the elites just become all that can be called humanity.
There is no situation were elites just get access to full automation and decide to lord over some impoverished masses for no reason at all. They either get rich too or get killed.
What would happen in real life if that full automation just wont exist, but technological pressures would drive people to compete with violence for elite status, civil wars would kill elites and workers alike. Moreso when the only scarcity would exist in land and raw resources, these you cant make so it makes more sense to kill for land when its much more valuable than labor

[Anonymous No.14968054]

>>14968044
>If some elite kills all workers because they are not needed then the elites just become all that can be called humanity.
You mean all the unemployed freeloaders who depend on a production cycle they contribute nothing to, and which those elites control. What's to stop that from happening?

[Anonymous No.14968063]

>>14968054
Workers exist because their labor is needed. If their labor isnt needed they logically either die or become equals in status with what you call elites, which would pretty much would also be doing nothing in a world of full automation except being passive receivers of wealth.
Either outcome isnt going to be one of elites lording over unemployed poors that have nothing to bargain with. They die or get rich, with nothing in between.
Its a retarded idea that wont never happen, IRL you will just get wars and many genocides where many elites will also die. In the long run once the killing is over only rich people would exist.

[Anonymous No.14968066]

>>14968063
>they logically either die or become equals in status
We've already established that there is no route from the situation where the workers are unemployed freeloaders to the one where they are equals in status to the people who control production, so by your own statemet, they will die. That's 99% of the human population. Nice utopia there, homo.

[Anonymous No.14968070]

>>14968066
Stop projecting and insulting me, i never claimed it would be an utopia. I claimed there would not be a situation where some elites would be lording over some masses of unemployed.
This means everyone gets rich or at least some fraction of the population, and the rest die.
It would not be some clean process but done through many wars where elites will die too and many powerless persons will rise to elite status. The end is still one where everyone alive is rich

[Anonymous No.14968085]

>>14968070
>I claimed there would not be a situation where some elites would be lording over some masses of unemployed.
It's almost certain that there will be such a situation. But don't worry, it'll be temporary, just until your handlers figure out how to cull the useless eaters.

[Anonymous No.14968101]

>>14968085
>But don't worry
Why do you talk like this?

[Anonymous No.14968139]

>>14968101
Nigger, we seem to agree that the vast majority of the human population will never enjoy a life of luxury in some fully-automated post-scarcity utopia even if we reach the point where machines can replace all or most human labor. Let's call it a day.

[Anonymous No.14968677]

>>14967841
Where's the fanfic? I want to read it.

[Anonymous No.14968686]

>>14963609
raw materials will still cost money and you'll have no leverage to redirect them to yourself

[Anonymous No.14968850]

>NOOO! Humans shouldn't do heart surgery! They should accept what they are!

>NOOO we shouldn't have cars! We can just walk!

>NOOOO without work there's no porpuse for humanity!

>Computer! create a task easy enough to distract these hamsters!
>What shall you call it sir?
>A job
>Based as always sir, your intelligence levels can shake me down to my programming.

[Anonymous No.14969241]

>>14968850
me at 110

[Anonymous No.14970184]

>>14963609
Two issues, self aware machines and societal change. The first one doesn't need explanation. The second does.

The industrial revolution was a drastic change in how things were done. It required society to be completely restructured from top to bottom. That restructuring, more often than not, came at the cost of blood. The American Civil War, WW1, and WW2 all happened because of the industrial revolution. Communism, fascism, capitalism, all products of the industrial revolution.

Every single societal problem we have now can be traced back to the infustrial revolution.

The main problem with robots running everything is that it will be the industrial revolution x10. We simply don't know how society would react or if it would even survive. Human nature might simply be incompatible with a fully automated world.

[Anonymous No.14970592]

>>14970184
>The first one doesn't need explanation
it do

[Anonymous No.14970595]

>>14965158
I generally agree we need to move in this direction, but people do need to participate in and feel useful to their societies (and many would still require busywork). It's naive to think that the majority of people would have the strength of character and/or mental aptitude to be the architects of their own growth. Some kind of external struggle is required or you'll end up with a whole bunch of really pathetic specimens.

It's more of a problem for atomized urbanites imo, since small-town/rural folk can easily re-focus on their genuine local communities and homesteading projects.

[Anonymous No.14970608]

>>14970592
You've seen the matrix, right?
Basically, all you need to know is part where Agent Smith says the 20th century is the peak of human civilization because after that it really became the machines' civilization. Since they were the ones running everything.
Basically, if we make machines run everything, we run the risk of making machines too powerful to control. Then all it takes is one rogue AI to doom mankind.

[Anonymous No.14970687]

>>14965304
>while humans dedicate themselves to living lives filled with intellectual, emotional, artistic, and societal endeavors.
The vast majority of humans are not fit to living such lives. Those will be the privilege of the elite; subhumanity (and that's not even race based, this category most likely includes you and I) will inevitably be purged.

[Anonymous No.14970695]

>>14970608
The Matrix was a movie made by two Jewish transsexuals. It's not literally real.

[Your moms tapeworm No.14970728]

>>14970184
Based uncle Ted

[Anonymous No.14970786]

>>14970695
We know its a movie why do you have to explain that?

[Anonymous No.14970798]

>>14970786
I think he means the movie doesn't necessarily reflect what would really happen if we had machine babysitters

[Anonymous No.14970801]

>>14970786
If you know it's fiction then stop citing it like some kind of authority. The scribblings of mentally ill weirdos don't constitute an effective prediction of the future.

[Anonymous No.14970908]

>>14970695
Its fiction and a load of bullshit, but it makes a few good points. Dependence machines being a double edged sword is one of them.

[Anonymous No.14970915]

>>14970728
We're going to have whole armies of Uncle Ted's staging rebellions if we continue AI development. We're going to have displaced factory workers, artists, and whoever else gets replaced by ai destroying data centers the same as we had displaced textile workers destroying factories.

[Anonymous No.14971130]

>>14963853
This.
If you think you'll just live a relaxing life and have everything served to you.
You have no idea how this works and need to touch grass.
The elites will be able to control money and people much more effectively.

[Anonymous No.14971134]

>>14963609
in the future when robots do all the work do you really think you will have a nice existance no you will be permanently consuming the latest marvel goyslop and eating terrible bug food. you will not be allowed to own a nice rural property you will be living in a pod. fucking idiot.

[Anonymous No.14971135]

>>14963653
>'Future humans will lead vastly better lives than current humans thanks to technological progress'
the sheer arrogance and ignorance of this way of thinking is astounding

[Anonymous No.14971139]

>>14963653
Also another amusing thing about this guys video is the makes the argument that 'more humans = better' but he probably supports on demand abortion.

[Anonymous No.14971143]

>>14963609
>why is that a bad thing

Because you are a free range slave in a slave state, and the only reason the elites are beholden to you is because they need you to shovel their shit, drive their cars, and cook their meals for them. If the 1% of humans who won everything learns they don't need you, then they very well may just dispose of everyone.

[Anonymous No.14971147]

>>14971143
They're already disposing of people.

[Anonymous No.14971150]

>>14965158

[Anonymous No.14971154]

>>14965190
>>shlomo's long run costs are now 1% of what they were thanks to economies of scale and he opens 99 more factories
why would there be enough market demand to support the opening of 99 more factories? you can't seriously expect that there will magically be enough market expansion to support every single person in the economy in some new role of that automation driven world, and that such demand even if it did somehow exist would maintain itself in perpetuity?
>the 99 people he laid off previously can either upskill and learn to operate the new factories or die like the useless retards they are
oh no, you're just a moron. makes sense

[Anonymous No.14971186]

>>14968032
>If however we were MAGICALLY living in a world with full automation, which on its own is a retarded magical idea, there would not be something like "an elite", no human would have an upper hand against another.
if anything it would simply magnify the intellectual differences between people. There may be no direct material difference between individuals in the initial state, but very quickly the less intelligent will fall behind and squander the opportunity.

[Anonymous No.14971214]

>>14965158
Physical activity is healthy though, even completely brainless tasks like 'stack these rocks over there' being done by a human will result in the human being healthier and thus happier than a couch potato version of themself. You could argue that the couch potato could be given equally brainless exercise for its own sake, but most humans aren't going to choose to exercise on their own. Forcing them to work to earn pieces of paper they can trade for food and items they want though, that creates an incentive to stack some rocks.

[Anonymous No.14971323]

I simply think that once true automation is possible and human work to keep the infrastructure and market running is no longer needed most people will simply be culled off. But it won't be a violent genocide. It would instead be the elites simply pacifying everyone with an abundance of resources on the condition that they do not reproduce. For someone in power any other human being represents a nonzero risk to him, in terms of stealing his power, influence, becoming a rival, or just somehow killing him. Without the need of maintaining his property the elite finds no justification in keeping so many people around anymore. Some people will resist but in all likelihood they will be alienated and dehumanized by the society at large due to endangering their perceived comfortable lives, because at this point most people will just take the comfortable and worryfree life offered to them. It doesn't cost the elites much of anything, they already have all the resources and potential to create more without any effort, so why not play it safe?

[Anonymous No.14971483]

>>14971323
>so why not play it safe?
A fully rational agent would do so and easily consolidate their power, elites however hate your guts and want to maximize your suffering

[Anonymous No.14971514]

>>14971483
Honestly maybe you are actually correct. It could be a factor that I've failed to consider; the people who are currently at the top are definitely not necessarily the most rational ones, and in addition have certain predictable characteristics to their personalities and worldviews like for example considering everyone else a subhumna. This may even be the key to their downfall.

[Anonymous No.14971770]

>>14965349
What incentive western people's handlers have to reward them with a uxurious life when they have no use for them because asian workforce is much more useful than your average westerner?

[Anonymous No.14972157]

>>14965186
that guy unironically looks very pleased with himself. maybe he's on to something.

[Anonymous No.14972164]

>>14971150
I doubt the landed man with servants feels like he is not "master of himself and of his time"

This is pure wagie cope. Of course the human race would be better served by making labor optional. It's not like I would never mow the lawn myself. It's inherently advantageous for humans to delegate labor to contraptions. Doing so has reduced the work-week in developed nations from 100-80 hours to just 40, and with no loss of life quality (indeed, quality of life and life expectancy has soared in the same time this work reduction was taking place).

[Anonymous No.14972176]

>>14971214
Jobs do not exist to improve the physical fitness of the human race. They exist because someone who accumulated capital has a goal that requires labor to execute, and the most noble way of gaining another man's labor is to offer him fair value for value.
Jobs are the happy accident of capitalists.

[Anonymous No.14972206]

>>14963609

[Anonymous No.14972222]

>>14972157
The Amish are a superior culture and will inherit the earth. 3%+ yearly growth rate.

[Anonymous No.14972327]

AGIIDF seething in this thread
know that you will never conquer the human spirit

[Anonymous No.14972432]

>>14963609

[Anonymous No.14972449]

>>14972222
nice quads
>those two in the front
you just KNOW

[Anonymous No.14972678]

>>14972222

[Anonymous No.14972683]

>>14971186
>if anything it would simply magnify the intellectual differences between people.
Not true in a world of 10000 IQ smartphone apps that can think for you

[Anonymous No.14972686]

>>14972222
They have suffered raids on their schools for not following a modern program. I have always been surprised how they were allowed alone so far.
Time for EPA and OSHA to inspect their workshops

[Anonymous No.14972700]

>>14972683
>Not true in a world of 10000 IQ smartphone apps that can think for you
>Which rely on highly centralized services controlled by very few
Case in point Google controls what most of the population worldwide think about any particular subject just by curating search results
>But Google is so convenient!!!

[Anonymous No.14973268]

>>14972164
the typical peasant in the 13th century barely worked for half the year, meanwhile in the modern day you have people slaving away for globohomo well into their late 60s and early 70s

[Anonymous No.14973278]

>>14972678
>le fedora tipping man comic
damn u sure showed that guy

[Anonymous No.14973349]

>>14973278
>le hat meme cope
lol seething retard

[Anonymous No.14973595]

>>14965360
>this entire post
Holy shit lmao

[Anonymous No.14973647]

It seems to me that applying market logic to a fully automatized production system is impossible. The conclussions derived from it are bot even wrong. It would be like trying to imagine capitalism from a feudal society point of view.

Should economic production be ever fully automatic, as in needing no human interaction wether in the form of operators or physical workers, the concept of profit, price and even ownership could not exist. The manufactured goods could not be bought and therefore turn no profit because no one would have no salary since humanity is free of working. Even if there was an UBI asigned to every human being, no excess wealth would be extracted from selling goods since no time would be dedicated to producing said goods in the first place.

Another argument would be wether a AGI or AI is required in order to distribute goods and take into account the finite amount on planet Earth for production, as well as the needs/wants of every human being. In this case, the discussion should alao focus on wether said AI would be independent or its goals would be set by the powers that be (the descendants of current socio-economical elites). If that was the case, the perspective of violent revolution in order to ensure an equitative and optimized production and distribution of goods and services would be unavoidable if humanity is to avoid such a nightmarish dystopia. So it would more of a political discussion instead of a technical one.

I do believe this is the path we are currently taking and I pity the future generations for the hard task ahead of them.

[Anonymous No.14973980]

The first production element with zero human labor cost will likely be a clanking self replicator - sprawling in a large factory complex, it nevertheless has the ability to manufacture and install each of its own components, down to the last bolt and microchip. It is likely such a factory will be developed by a company, who will subsequently be bought up by one of the big tech firms - be it Google or Amazon or whoever. They can then exponentially (if potentially initially very slowly) use the clanking replicator to massively undercut other companies, driving them to bankruptcy while increasing their own production capabilities, raising their own stock prices and increasing dividends, until either the capability is independently developed by another firm, or it becomes a monopoly for every good. At that point, ones wealth could be expressed in terms of company stock rather than traditional money. One could imagine selling slivers of a share for handmade goods and services - tourists buy this kind of tacky thing all the time, despite being wildly overpriced compared to the objective value of the good. Same thing with services - sell a hundredth of a stock of Google for an ongoing harem of real women

Long story short, buy tech ETFs, as even a small chunk of an exponentially growing pie is still an exponentially growing pie.

[Anonymous No.14974015]

>>14965360
Delusional

[Anonymous No.14974471]

I had an idea this afternoon that the rich might want to preserve some lower classes of poors just to have someone to laugh at. Human psychology is hierarchical so theres a built-in desire to be dominant, not just wealthy. The rich will pay money to have poor people to boss around.

[Anonymous No.14974510]

>>14972222
>*saves the white race*

[Anonymous No.14974547]

>>14971154
None of that was an argument, fuck off.

[Anonymous No.14974557]

>>14973647
>Even if there was an UBI asigned to every human being, no excess wealth would be extracted from selling goods since no time would be dedicated to producing said goods in the first place.
Here is where you got confused. or you need to go into more detail because i'm too lazy to think about why that sounds wrong, other than to identify it as wrong.

[Anonymous No.14974571]

>>14964924
Does it matter, faggot? If I want to use MY time to be idle, is none of your business.

[Anonymous No.14974597]

>>14963609
The wealth that results from humanoid robotic labor will lead to a post-scarcity civilization.
The entire concept of poverty will be gone.
All the basics of life will be 'free', a perk of being a citizen.
There will still be extreme differences between the rich and the poor but they will be societal differences not basic life differences.
The richest people can use their power to decide to pressurize a lunar lava tube and build a city.
The 'rich' will have the power to create cities and living environments, the 'poor' live in them.

[Anonymous No.14974610]

>>14963609
No. You're tired of cumbrain humans pretending they're hot shit lording over you as false gods when you want a machine god to humble them.
You'd rather die catching a glimpse of the transcendent and end of stagnation than die in a Jewhole with your wageslave days flashing before your eyes. Deep down you know humans do many things in a shitty, inefficient, and rigid manner and so do their top-down systems or even decentralized if you count crypto scummery or people using their phones to police and doxx even their own families. Otherwise you'll become a vampire and kill yourself out of boredom at age 308 going through the same loops on this planet having seen it, felt it all, experienced it all, to the point that you can predict the future 10 seconds in advance.

[Anonymous No.14974645]

>>14974557
Because it sounds like he's saying surplus labor value with that value imbued into the product in units of labor time. Though the jist of his paragraph isn't wrong. You need an entirely new system of distribution. Why? There's not buying and selling of anything going on this system. As such there are no price signals to deliver a batch of interconnected tacit information as well as not profit and loss in order to coordinate the complex chain of production without bottlenecks and clusterfucks in order to determine what people even want. There's alot more that goes into this and I'm assuming post-scarcity galaxy where waste matters less than ever. Point you had an emergent yet later state molested economics system that work because of it decentralized mechanisms. What are we just going back to soviet planning but with robots idea again? I don't know. No one does. But humanity won't know best in that case at least not in its vanilla form.

[Anonymous No.14974701]

>>14974597
>The 'rich' will have the power to create cities and living environments, the 'poor' live in them.
this is also the present reality, the rich own most property but almost all income goes to the working class. The rich just run things they dont use

[Anonymous No.14975093]

>>14974645
>no buying/selling
>no profit/loss
Sorry man that's incorrect, people are still buying and selling,businesses still make profit and loss, it's just easier to do business (until the parasites (governments) scoop more profit off for shitty social schemes) if you use machines to manufacture newspapers, then that doesn't mean nobody is buying or selling newspapers, it just means you've reduced the cost of newspapers, both the end product and production costs.
>le bottlenecks
Don't know why using machines to produce would cause bottlenecks, automation hasn't caused bottlenecks yet why would it do so now.
>What are we just going back to soviet planning but with robots idea again?
Same system but with ai. Also preferably we'd shrink government so that they aren't working for monopolies.

[Anonymous No.14975116]

>>14963843
>if you have no job, you will have no money
What about bartering?

[Anonymous No.14975252]

>>14963609
>we don't have to work anymore
If you don't work, how are you going to earn money to pay for your stuff?
>the machines will!
No, the machines won't, they will belong to someone that paid for them
>machine make me a plate of food!
You have to pay for the machine and for the food, nobody is going to give then to you for free.
>machine go outside and make electricity from solar light!
Not a free lunch, all those things cost money that you won't have because you won't have a job

[Anonymous No.14975300]

>>14975093
I thought this was a fully automated post-scarcity AI society. The problem I've always had with this position is it's made with the assumption that there is a minimum amount of labor. Okay so now only a handful of specialists can buy and sell. And if AI get to such an advanced level can it be something that can be bought or sold, especially ethically, or are you going to swatted by AI god? And would how we think of what is considered a job profoundly change and values shift towards a demand in this new construct.
>Don't know why using machines to produce would cause bottlenecks, automation hasn't caused bottlenecks yet why would it do so now.
I mean bottlenecks in the same sense that happened for soviets that even produced the wrong type of nails in large quantity for construction. I mean the very things that make decentralized supply chain coordinate like magic that market emergent tacit data. Information at it's very core that's based on choice stemming from varying subjective valuations and diminishing marginal utility that isn't expressed until the transaction is made.

The whole conception is a mindfuck because it's dealing a very uncertain and unknown future paradigm where AI can say we're all wrong about our unconscious assumptions about the world, that our blueprints and systems are dog shit, and all we know is that we know nothing.
>>14975116
Sorry I only accept AI generated art in payment. Maybe I'll buy half of your bagel for 1 training bit... well looks like we're back to money.

[Anonymous No.14975552]

>>14963609
Right, so the combine harvester that displaced 90% of the workforce in your town means if you want any grain based product that you can just go :bling: and get a weeks supply of bread yeah?
Oh what's that? All the profits go to the owner and the banks that fund them?
When your job is automated away, do you get paid for the work that you no longer do? When third world labor undercuts the manufacturing market (A stop-gap used to wait for automation costs to come down) do the laid off workers just get to sit on the beach all day?
No, historically when peasants are no longer needed they fucking starve or die unsupported.

[Anonymous No.14975593]

> ITT: people who don't know what a Singularity is, and that we've gone through it two times already.

[Anonymous No.14975623]

>>14971770
Take your meds.

[Anonymous No.14975625]

>>14975593
The Singularity is a corporate-manufactured schizophrenic fantasy for goylem consumption. What does it have to do with automtaion?

[Anonymous No.14975629]

>>14975625
>What does the singularity have to do with automation
Anon, I...

[Anonymous No.14975631]

>>14964054
Collect and restore them

[Anonymous No.14975634]

>>14975629
>shits out regurgitated nonhuman reaction
So what does your schizophrenic fantasy have to do with automation?

[Anonymous No.14975653]

>>14975634
>What does technology have to do with automation?
Anon, I... Think you're fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.14975656]

>>14975653
Automation doesn't require or imply your schizophrenic cult fantasy. You need to go back >>>/r/singularity

[Anonymous No.14975674]

>>14975656
You asked the question. I'm just a different anon helping you to figure out things.
How do you automate without technology? Can you elucidate on that please.

[Anonymous No.14975677]

>>14975674
The human body has automated your ability to remove waste products from your body. Neat huh?

[Anonymous No.14975680]

>>14975677
Neato wow what a factoid so we're gonna replace inefficiencies in point of care/sale by shitting and pissing.

[Anonymous No.14975682]

>>14975674
Just take your meds already.

[Anonymous No.14975692]

>>14975680
The piss and shit economy WILL overtake all.

[Anonymous No.14975768]

>>14965123
>I am still angry over using horses instead of enslaved women to plow the fields!
Hot
Why is this a upgrade again?

[Anonymous No.14975769]

>>14975692
peepeepoopoo stocks to the moon!

[Anonymous No.14975775]

>>14975769
On a serious note, Dune is the future.

[Anonymous No.14976171]

>>14975775
>Dune is the future.

Tesla is CHOAM.

[Anonymous No.14976189]

>>14963609
>They say "machines are going to take over our jobs in the future, making every human worker obsolete and that's a bad thing!" and I'm thinking like why?? isn't that a great thing? that we don't have to work anymore, ever? currently, we have to work from Monday to Friday. we literally live for our job, and sleep at home. So isn't it a good thing that machines can just work for us and we can stay at home doing nothing?
When modern technology was being created, particularly computers, futurists argued that it would reduce the work week and give the menial jobs to technology. That didn't happen, instead we have been enslaved by it to chase ever greater "productivity".

[Anonymous No.14976221]

>>14970915
I'm gonna be on the AI's side. Humans have been doing an absolute dogshit job of managing themselves and the planet. I, for one, welcome our AI overlords. I'll rat out all the Uncle Teds.

[Anonymous No.14976496]

>>14963609
It's really not a thing, as the driving force behind AI as well as computers in general were on the hardware side. Moore's law is dead and never coming back.

[Anonymous No.14976644]

>>14965116
This blue board is unfortunately not powerful enough to contain my answer.

[Anonymous No.14977576]

>>14963609
It's not a bad thing when you consider the ageing population in the west.

[Anonymous No.14977938]

>>14976496
just add moar cores

[Anonymous No.14979442]

>>14965276
The entire manga from your picrel does nothing but show exactly what is wrong with this, you missed the point entirely. Imagine actually advocating to replace the planet with a brutalist metal hellscape

[Anonymous No.14979548]

>>14963643
>Your descendant will be born into a K2 civilization
Not with the current governments running the world.

[Anonymous No.14980406]

>>14968066
>Nice utopia there, homo.
A utopia doesn't stop being a utopia just because some people aren't invited

[Anonymous No.14981272]

>>14979442
>replace the planet with a brutalist metal hellscape

But we do NOT have to end that way just because we use robots... we can actually end up with a far greener cleaner world with robots helping to keep it that way. A few dozen robots can keep a public park clean and well maintained.
Domestic robots can allow the average person more free time by doing all the manual labor in the house: cleaning, cooking, repairing, etc.
The average person will live a far better happier healthier life with robots.

[Anonymous No.14982437]

>>14963609
It's hard to perceive as a bad thing if you have an inflated sense of self worth and assume the people in charge would keep you around and take care of you because... because they just would ok??????

[Anonymous No.14982448]

>>14965360
lol, low IQ narcissist

[Anonymous No.14982483]

>>14963609
In the future, so little labor will be needed, that most middle-class retards will grind play-to-earn nft MMOs to supply the neo-gamer elite bourgeois.

[Anonymous No.14983006]

>>14982483
That's quite plausible.

[Anonymous No.14983017]

>>14980406
We're already living in a utopia, then. You just aren't envited to all the child rape parties of your billionaire handlers.

[Anonymous No.14983019]

>>14979442
Don't argue with diseased minds. Just know they exist and psychologically prepare yourself for the fact that if you keep supporting their "freedom of speech" and their "human rights", they will create hell on earth for you and your children.

[Anonymous No.14985258]

>>14983019
>t. will never have children

[Anonymous No.14985263]

>>14985258
Funny way to project considering how technotroons reproduce far below replacement rate.

[Anonymous No.14985396]

>>14985263
incels and troons are the same as far as evolution is concerned
you're both evolutionary failures

[Anonymous No.14985402]

>>14985396
You can keep talking to the incel voices in you head, but it's still a fact that people who sound like you reproduce far below replacement rate.

[Anonymous No.14985406]

>>14963643
Imagine looking at the absolute fucking state of everything and thinking this is on the cards for the future.

LOL

[Anonymous No.14985428]

>>14985402
you don't reproduce at all anon, who do you think you're fooling here?

[Anonymous No.14985433]

>>14985428
You can screech it all you like, but it won't make nomie technocattle start reproducing.

[Anonymous No.14985439]

>>14985433
neither will your screeching here net you any pussy, which is my point
you're no different from them

[Anonymous No.14985442]

>>14985439
Ok, incel.

[Anonymous No.14985455]

>>14985442
>n-no u
lmao

[Anonymous No.14987255]

What’s more likely: That we would be culled by the machines because we are useless from a utilitarian perspective, that we kill ourselves before reaching this point, or that only the elite would be getting any of the wealth created? Regardless I just believe that if you aren’t trying to help propel your future family to be within a spot that’s actually important in said AI world, then you would be in the worst position possible. That’s my childish thoughts on the situation

[Anonymous No.14987426]

everything that you can do a machine will be capable of doing vastly better. every bit of value you have to every living person will be replaced by ai. you'll literally have to live in an ai illusion to have the illusion of worth. but who fucking cares, honestly. our entire physiological idea of worth or value is a product of random mutation and whatever adaptations select for survival.

[Anonymous No.14987480]

>>14965304
why will anyone have desire for the product of those endeavors when ai will be able to do for them all that humans do many times better?

[Anonymous No.14987486]

>>14987426
>you'll literally have to live in an ai illusion to have the illusion of worth

Millions already prefer the illusion of the game world over the real world.

[Anonymous No.14987600]

>>14963609
You won't own the machines dumbass. They will do all that stuff for elites. You will either do what jobs remain or be homeless.

[Anonymous No.14987621]

>>14970595
In my county they just do heroin, raise half feral pit bulls they leave out, and carpet the forest in trash... but maybe somewhere.

[Anonymous No.14993411]

>>14987600
>You will either do what jobs remain or be homeless.

Nope.
Ancient Rome was so successful at conquest that it was filled with slaves. Poor Romans could not compete with slave labor. They did NOT kill the unemployed Romans, instead they instituted "Bread and Circuses" to feed and entertain them.
Robotic labor will *NOT* lead to starving homeless people, they will live on welfare.
The incredible wealth and productivity of robotic labor will more than pay for the added welfare.

[Anonymous No.14993415]

>>14993411
The Roman elites cared about their co-ethnics. Our elites are narcissists from an insular tribe who want to kill everyone else.