/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.14958845]

>computer science
>”science”
Do code monkeys really?

[Anonymous No.14958854]

science is gay

[Anonymous No.14958885]

>>14958854
you're gay

[Anonymous No.14958952]

>>14958845
Why is this such a popular topic here?

[Anonymous No.14958971]

>>14958845
Computer science includes processor and memory theory, algorithmic theory, etc. If being able to make predictions with math and experimentally verify them counts as science, then yes

[Anonymous No.14959130]

Yes, we should leave coding to the "real" scientists.

[Anonymous No.14959260]

>>14959130
Interesting, any chance you can give a link to the thread? I'm curious to see what the ensuing "debate" looks like

[Anonymous No.14959361]

>>14959130
academia should have csfags for hire just like they have statisticians for hire. this would be perfect for those that don't won't to learn about advanced algorithms and problem solving for 7 years just to end up as a webdev codemonkey

[Anonymous No.14959366]

>>14959361
We literally do, 99% of our software is outsourced to CS and ML students

[Anonymous No.14959376]

>>14958845
For a year or so my job title was changed to "data scientist" and I cringed at it every day until I moved on to the slightly less pretentious sounding "engineer" title.
"Data scientist" is a lot like "sandwich artist." Whoever came up with it thought they were flattering the people that would get stuck with these titles in the future when really they have the opposite effect since everyone knows "data scientists" aren't really scientists and "sandwich artists" aren't really artists.

[Anonymous No.14959455]

Codemonkeying is not a science at all. Computer Science can relate to a lot of spheres from electrical circuits to improving algorithms or coming up with the new ones. It's a big field that doesn't come down only to soul sucking monotonous coding.

[Anonymous No.14959560]

[Anonymous No.14959606]

>>14959455
Shut the fuck up bitch. Most CS majors don't even know what Ohm's Law is.

[Anonymous No.14959621]

>>14959560
guess which one makes more money?

*power dabs on stemcel*

[Anonymous No.14959636]

>>14959621
all those other STEM majors can get any job as CS major can get dumbfuck

[Anonymous No.14959752]

>>14959621
>guess which one makes more money?
the mint

[Anonymous No.14959888]

i used my job in degree in computer science to get a degree in website engineering

[Anonymous No.14959898]

CS is about logic and planning, it is similar in that sense to the other sciences.
There is no room for errors or subjective reasoning in CS, unlike fake "sciences" like psychology, there are no opinions in CS. There is simply logic and strategy and often times math is integrated, which once again makes it more of a science than psychology.

[Anonymous No.14959935]

>>14959621
Prestige and $100k beats mindnumbing code monkey slave labor for $200k, especially considering even at FAANG you'll be working for done business B.A. from Berkeley. They have to pay you more for a reason, you know.

[Anonymous No.14959943]

Guess what:

1. "Science" is in the name "Computer Science."
2. CS people use math and CS is NOT a subjective study, it is about executing the desired program after first building it with syntactically correct programming.
3. Scientists use computers all the time, so YOU need CS people to help you do YOUR jobs.

[Anonymous No.14959962]

>>14959943
I also need janitors and line cooks to help me do my job.

[Anonymous No.14959971]

>>14959621
1.) Software developer salaries are not much higher than electrical/mechanical engineering salaries

2.) You don't need a CS degree to get a job as a software developer.

[Anonymous No.14960221]

>>14959935
Muh prestige, kek.
$200k for faang. For entry-level, maybe. Is this how you cope?

[Anonymous No.14960312]

>>14959962
But here's the deal -- you wouldn't be able to follow half, what a CS curriculum teaches, no matter what you try.
Or at least, I'll allow you the out that you might be up to it if you actually attempted such a degree under regular parameters.

[Anonymous No.14960388]

>>14959935
there is no prestige in engineering, please graduate already and join us in the real world

>>14959971
my CS friends with similar YOE make triple what i do, and i'm doing the best out of my mech e peers other than those who went into management

the pay difference is significant at mid tiers and astronomical at the high tiers (great engineer vs. great SWE)

[Anonymous No.14960663]

>>14959971
1) poo poo

2) pee pee

3) mommy needs to change me

4) i make more than you do

[Anonymous No.14960763]

>>14959971
>>14959621
the cs boom is gone retards. now you need a cs master's, multiple internships and several projects to get an 60-80k job

[Anonymous No.14960776]

>>14960221
You're retarded

[Anonymous No.14960782]

>>14960312
>you wouldn't be comfortable in a high level CS undergraduate course if you aren't a CS student
Sure, maybe, who cares? I'm not a SE - we just pay the codemonkeys to do it for us so that we're able to focus on actual rigorous work.

[Anonymous No.14960791]

>>14959366
students? how does one become a codemonkey for academia?

[Anonymous No.14960833]

>>14960763
>They say this for every field
THEN WHAT DO WE DO ANON? I FUCKING HATE YOU doomsayer FAGGOTS
>chemistry
>NOOOOOO STOP ANON THAT FIELD IS OVERSATURATED
>any field of engineering
NOOIOOOOOOO STOP THERE'S NO JOBS
>physics, maths, biology
NOOOOOOOOO NOOO I'M DOOOOOOOOMING I HAVE TO DOOMSAY

Go and fuck yourself.

[Anonymous No.14960837]

>>14960791
Depends if you're an undergrad or a graduate student, and if you understand ML. ML is meme'd as being being an irrelevant field but almost every single research group I know has some ML component for data extrapolation and model predictions. If you're an undergrad, try to get a position with one of the big ML groups, and they'll probably give you a project to help out with. If you're a graduate student, I'd be surprised if you weren't doing this already.
To be honest, I'm being generous in saying that we hire codemonkeys to do the work. We do most of the software work in-house using .m, fortran, python, and a small amount of C. The ML stuff is, however, beyond all of our experience, so we outsource this to the ML research groups here.

[Anonymous No.14960856]

>>14960763
the market is in downswing right now but this is just not true overall. people were saying this 10 years ago too. i know a dude with no degree clearing 200k

[Anonymous No.14960860]

Two ways to look at it. Taking a large system and testing it from the outside, or the study of pure math applied into different physical systems.

[Anonymous No.14960895]

>>14960833
>>14960856
You are in denial. the economy is declining, innovation in tech was already declining. there is only so much you can "techify" and new tech that people use. the abomination that is "web3" and wifi toilets are the biggest proof of the desperation the tech industry has reached.
every industry has to reach carrying capacity at some point. in the case of tech this total employee carrying capacity will start declining rapidly once tech stops growing because of nocode, minimal code and already built code bases (e.g. web frameworks) decreasing the amount of programmers needed

[Anonymous No.14960897]

>>14960833
>THEN WHAT DO WE DO ANON? I FUCKING HATE YOU doomsayer FAGGOTS
How about you do some thinking for yourself and distinguish yourself from the masses of followers? You are a literal npc as of now

[Anonymous No.14960905]

>>14958845
Don't know, but I am having an easier time understanding math thanks to being a code monkey. However, maybe is because I actually try to solve algorithm stuff, and not just copy paste from the internet, don't know about other code monkeys.

[Anonymous No.14960944]

Hoes mad

[Anonymous No.14961117]

>>14958845
>putting a process on a pedestal
print("leaf mayo @ ur life")

[Anonymous No.14961120]

does your cunt have commie breadlines?

[Anonymous No.14961565]

>>14960763
>now you need a cs master's
nope

you don't even need a CS bachelor's to get a software developer job. I know tons of dudes making bank in that field without a CS degree

[Anonymous No.14961578]

Politicians like to say cybersecurity is the safest route to take for job security if you're a CS major.

Are they right? Also, what specifically? Cybersecurity seems like a rather vague and broad subject.

[Anonymous No.14961597]

It's a subset of mathematics. Figuring out the problems that can be solved by arithmetic calculations is CS.

Something like video compression for example is not obvious. Modern computers wouldn't be able to store and send pictures if it wasn't for this.

[Anonymous No.14961998]

>>14960763
I'm graduating next spring and already accepted an offer for 120k from the people I interned with (bigass boomer company). I have a 2.8 GPA and go to a state school kek

[Anonymous No.14962015]

>>14959621

>software "engineer"
>outsources your job to someone working from home in india

[Anonymous No.14962163]

>>14961998
based

i know people without college degrees working as software devs for six figures

[Anonymous No.14962619]

>>14960663
gigachad

[Anonymous No.14962639]

>>14958845
It seems to be an USA thing, but at least here in GER, CS has little to do with programming, it is only a small fracton of their studies. The code monkey stuff is handled by professionals programmers, which follow a professional education outside university (vocational job?)

[Anonymous No.14962722]

>>14960895
>>14960897
My conclusion is:
>/sci/ is absolutely retarded and wrong.
I'll get my biochemistry degree and am learning CS/algorithm theory on the side. There have to be niches that haven't been over-saturated, since most people take the path of least resistance.

[Anonymous No.14964289]

>>14958845
Hypothesis: my code will do X
Test: run the code
Scientific method approves

[Anonymous No.14964385]

>>14958845
it is a science, the problem is nobody is studying computer science, everyone sees it as programming, software engineering, software dev, etc. CS as a field isnt limited to computers and goes way back to before modern computers were even conceptualized, universities tried to circumvent this by having different degrees revolving around what CS is associated with these days, but if this board and the current perception is anything to go by, it hasnt made a lick of a difference. Which is sad because theres a lot of work to be done on the academic side of CS but its ignored because universities are so incompetent they cant properly accommodate modern tech into their fold anymore so they lost CS to corporations which is why its hard for people to even perceive CS as a "science" anymore even though for years and especially in its hayday we called it a science without a second thought. A shame too because academically CS has a long way to go since as a field it only really coalesced recently

[Anonymous No.14964400]

>>14958952
physics cucks mad CS Chads make more money and their research actually has value so they cope by saying it's not a science

[Anonymous No.14964429]

Pancomputational universe theory subscriber's here? What's that actually called?

Apparently my computation help was antagonised by ncorruptible yet irredeemable good and perhaps even bad

[Anonymous No.14965719]

>>14964400
physics majors can get any jobs CS majors can get

you are so retarded

[Anonymous No.14966328]

>>14958845
computer science isn’t a science and it isn’t about computers
but it is math and therefore more rigorous than whatever circlejerk you’re into.

[Anonymous No.14966331]

>>14959752
Not true. Most money is made by banking software. Get wrecked

[Anonymous No.14966341]

>>14960763
lol lmao
I have no qualifications other than experience and I get constant offers for many times more than that

[Anonymous No.14966390]

>>14966328
>but it is math and therefore more rigorous than whatever circlejerk you’re into.

lmao no

[Anonymous No.14966392]

>>14966341
same. I don't even have a college degree and I'm working as a software developer making six figures.

[Anonymous No.14966475]

>>14966341
>>14962722
>>14961998
>>14961565
>>14966341
>>14966392
>my buddy eric got a 500k job after learning for loops in js and he has a 10 inch cock
Not an argument. consider responding to these facts:
- The rise of cloud computation like AWS/azure/google web services
- The rise of minimal code/nocode solutions
- The rise of coding AI
- Libraries, frameworks and other similar already written code significantly decreasing amount of work needed for a finished product
- The high influx of new workers
- The decline in tech innovation (see meta, web3, ar, vr, etc)
- The economic decline in general

[Anonymous No.14966590]

>>14966475
no one cares you retard. most physics/math/engineering majors would have no problem learning that shit

CS is STEM for retards