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Besides Helium-3, what's on the moon that couldn't be reproduced here on Earth?

Moon regolith seems like worthless trash. What could be mined there that is worth the cost of shipping it back to Earth?

>> No.14840594

>>14840558
Nothing, my friend.
There is nothing worth to "mine" on other celestial bodies.
We will never mine in space. Never, ever. We won't even colonize anywhere else.

Why? Because it will always be cheaper to replace a material with something else that bring it to earth.

>> No.14840684

>>14840594
No we will, just thousands of years in the future. Space mining will take so much infrastructure and time to be viable, it's not even funny.

>> No.14840708

The shadow, for one. Telescopes on the far side of the moon, when it is also the dark side of the moon, are the best telescopes.
The lower gravity well, for another. Stuff can be made on the moon and that stuff can be shipped to Earth orbit at a fraction the delta-V to get that same sort of thing off our well.

>> No.14841044

>>14840558
>Besides Helium-3, what's on the moon that couldn't be reproduced here on Earth?
The Moon is made of Earth-stuff. There is nothing there which we can't find here.

>> No.14841054

>>14840558
It's been smacked for a very long time with meteoroids. So pretty much anything you can find in meteors, can be found on the Moon.

>> No.14841076

>>14840558
Great power prestige

>> No.14841260

>>14841054
So the Earth as well? Antarctica is said to house a treasure trove of meteorites.

>> No.14841281

>>14840558
>what's on the moon that couldn't be reproduced here on Earth?
Location. You won`t built space habitats out of earth material but moon material and it is easier to refine extraterrestial material there instead of fighting with the gravity well of earth. Asteroid mining will first send their ressources to the moon and from there everywhere.
Microgravity. Free-fall industry could be built on the moon producing superconducting material and other exotics.
Ressources. Helium-3 and the moon has a different composition to mine.
Science. Telescope on the darkside and other research.

>> No.14841288

>>14840558
I dunno
Funny space rocks.

>> No.14841292

Hey remember when chinkna discovered a monolith on the moon!?
Space is fake and gay

>> No.14843213

>>14841044
>The Moon is made of Earth-stuff
you are blatantly ignoring billions of years rare materials impacted the moon , all these rocks were made of non earth material and enriched the regolith with all sorts of stuff which came hurling towards us from the belt. everything which would just burn up and vaporize in our atmosphere got molten on the moon on impact and splattered all over the place. it will be a gold rush for rare earth materials and other stuff we got on earth only because some fuck huge rocks actually managed to impact the crust at one time. you can refine on the moon without any ecological impact on earth. those rare earth mines and refining spots we already have here are fucking toxic wastelands. everything you can do on the moon is less pollution here.

>> No.14843221

>>14841281
>Helium-3
the meme

>> No.14843322

>>14840558
According to NASA it's made of petrified wood.

>> No.14843354

Unless there's some currently unknown ore/mineral that has properties we can put to good use on earth, or something we're desperately short of, mining on the moon won't be a financially viable option. The only other way it could become viable would be if we setup colonies on the moon, and the resources gained from mining were used for said colonies, as it would be cheaper than transporting materials from Earth. But we are a long long way from that happening. So yeah, pretty worthless.

>> No.14843392

>>14843213
>>you are blatantly ignoring billions of years rare materials impacted the moon
Same thing happens to earth
>but meteroids vaporize in the atmosphere
They vaporize when they hit the moon.

>> No.14843728

>>14840558
Why mine the moon when you can mine asteroids? You can crash them onto Mars or Moon and they will be easier to mine.

>> No.14843749

>>14843221
Helium-3 is stray-voltage.
Everyone knows He-3 is bullshit. It gets play not to support lunar industry, but to discredit lunar industry - to tag lunar industry proponents as, well, lunatics.
Many uses for the Moon have been mooted in this thread but He-3 gets the attention. Curious!

>> No.14843819

>>14841260
Earth has geologic processes, weather, and life that breaks that apart and often reacts with it. On the Moon things are more or less preserved. No idea about the density of anything in Antarctica but if they're easily recoverable near the surface, the comparative quantity likely isn't very large.

>> No.14843822

>>14843728
Because the Moon already has crashed meteors on it.

>> No.14845676

>>14843392
>Same thing happens to earth
Except that all the heavy minerals sunk into the crust and are not available. The moon is cold and even vapourized rocks would remain near the surface.

>> No.14845681

>>14840558
I always figured gemstones from the moon and mars could fetch a hefty premium

People spend millions on stones, imagine what you could market a gemstone from the moon at?

>> No.14845753

>>14840594
>Nothing, my friend.
>There is nothing worth to "mine" on other celestial bodies.
>We will never mine in space. Never, ever. We won't even colonize anywhere else.
>Why? Because it will always be cheaper to replace a material with something else that bring it to earth.
Fusion, Synthetic fuels, Ion Thruster, Hydrogen / Amonia economy, Solar Panels, Material Science, Space Elevator, Kinetic Gun on the moon or asteroids for leap frogging cargo, these are all things that will be figured out / massively improved in this century, humans exploring and colonizing space is as inevitable as death. It's our nature, and if physics allows it, it will be done.

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14845785

>>14840594
>We will never mine in space. Never, ever
We're literally not even 50 years away from this

>> No.14845842

>>14840594
The wumao reacts quickly.

>> No.14845945

>>14840594
>Why?
Because Earth is flat you faggots

>> No.14845947

>>14840594
>implying that money and the economy will always exist instead of Star Trek socialism
>implying that we will need to bring it to earth because we will be on earth

>> No.14846055

>>14845947
Mad Max economy is more likely right now

>> No.14846221

>>14840558
So what are the useful minerals in petrified wood?

>> No.14846304

>>14840558
Sand

>> No.14846323

>>14840594
never say never

>> No.14846417

What kind of rocket fuel can be made on the moon?

It would be a great gateway for space exploration if we can have rockets launching out of there. Imagine how fast a Saturn V size rogged could go taking of from the moon.

>> No.14847216

>>14846417
>What kind of rocket fuel can be made on the moon?
Ice can be electrolyzed into hydrogen and oxygen.

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14847386

>>14846417
>What kind of rocket fuel can be made on the moon?
I always hear normies talk about this, as if rocket fuel is some easy to create fuel.
Check out pic-related. Praxair is currently the worlds largest producer of liquid hydrogen, which requires huge industrial facilities and customized storage tanks.
It takes massive facilities to create enough rocket fuel for a space shuttle.
There has been little (if any progress) on scaling down hydrogen production facilities for them to fit on a few space shuttle trips to be assembled on the Moon or elsewhere.
It’s a gigantic leap in technology to be able to produce LH2 and LOX on another planet in quantities sufficient to launch rockets.

>> No.14847527

>>14840594
Gas giants are a planet-sized hydrogen mine that can be used for fusion, both onboard and on the ground. And that's only one application

>> No.14847550

>>14847527
>Gas giants are a planet-sized hydrogen mine that can be used for fusion, both onboard and on the ground. And that's only one application
>IRL life is exactly like in muh marvel comix movies

>> No.14847551

>>14840558
Chinese truly are awful, they eat things alive, boil animals alive, burn them alive for food, produce tons of useless shit at the expense of the environment and now they want to mine the fucking moon.

That would kill the romance and celestial majesty of the moon, looking up into the sky knowing.................... FUCKING CHING CHONGS MINING IT, DEFACING IT.

You little cunts need to get that in your heads. I know, I know, you've already been defaced because you was born fucking ugly, but try and appreciate things rather than bring everything down to your ugly ass level.

>> No.14847657 [DELETED] 

>>14847551
Oh piss off, we have to start mining the moon and asteroids. Space is HUGE, there’s probably over a quadrillion planets in the universe (1,000,000,000,000,000+).
Our Moon isn’t special at all.

>> No.14847697

>>14847657
>we have to start mining the moon and asteroids.
Sure. The question is how will CN react to people mining the moon and thuse undermine their grip around the metal raw material market? They could start a war for less (while of course blaming the US).

>Our Moon isn’t special at all.
It is: it is close and has a gravity that makes initial bases easy to set up. Over time Deimos and Phobos are attractive due to low delta v. After that comes perhaps Titan. In the near term, the moon is important.

>> No.14847738

>>14846323
you just said it

>> No.14849453

>>14840558
REE processing causes hideous contamination and tailings. That woul.d not be a problem on he moon.

>> No.14852430

>>14840594
daily reminder that we are just for 67 years into space race and in that time frame we have
>landed on our nearest celestial body
>send rovers to other two nearest planets
>we have find out our place among billions of galaxies and where we are heading
>we have looked back just after 100k years of big bang
>we have fucked our planet's space with pollution and that is fine because during industrial revolution smog was highest in england and see it now .
>we have a flying laboratory in space
>we have reusable rockets now

next big thing is space tourism

67 years and we have achieved this much in such a limited time frame and fools here beleive that men can stop,only one thing can stop men and that is death ,not of our sun or our stars but of our will and that is not gonna happen because the way we are heading death will be in our hands and there's nothing stopping us to becoming another gods or maybe our own god's

>> No.14852434

>>14852430
>67 years and we have achieved this much in such a limited time frame and fools here beleive that men can stop,only one thing can stop men and that is death ,not of our sun or our stars but of our will and that is not gonna happen because the way we are heading death will be in our hands and there's nothing stopping us to becoming another gods or maybe our own god's
Cult of Scientism.

>> No.14852453

>>14852434
be your own god is what I believe and mutts you should hire another batch of german scientists, nasa went to shit after the death of scientists you took from here

Ich bin mein eigener Gott

>> No.14852562

>>14852430
>daily reminder that
First powered flight to Blackbird and moon landings: 60 years
After that we had another 60 years where state of the air aircraft is F-35, best operated on the tarmac and we can no longer land people on the moon.
Stagnation is here.

>> No.14852578

>>14840594
>he thinks the purpose of space mining is to bring materials back to earth
Maybe for precious metals and helium-3, otherwise a kilogram of useable material outside of Earth's gravity well is worth orders of magnitude more than the same material stuck on Earth.