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Would it be possible to create immortality on humans?

I heard somewhere if we just take out the trait which causes certain parts of the body to 'age' and remove this trait, we would be able to live forever considering our cells renew themselves.

Then it would REALLY suck to die from stupid things like car accidents

>> No.1483242

1) >take out the trait which causes certain parts of the body to 'age' and remove this trait, we would be able to live

FALSE

2) Some conservative Christians in america wouldn't let it happen because 'god doesn't want us to live forever'

>> No.1483252

Well, I don't know the exact biology behind it. All I know is that the human body naturally ages, and the only way to have immortality (if it's possible) is to reverse this process, or stop it completely.

And also, religion will lose power within the next ~100-200 years, so we won't have to worry about that.

>> No.1483258

OKey asuming that your body would work for ever your mental ability still decreases throughout the years.

>> No.1483264

>>1483258
Periodontally injecting stem cells into your brain fixes that problem

>> No.1483272

>>1483242
Not just god but I doubt nature and the natural order of the world wants humans to live that long. We are killing the planet.

>> No.1483275

>>1483272
Eventually we'll move the fuck out of this place that we've already fucked up so much.

But theoretically, it is possible to live forever, isn't it?

>> No.1483287

You mean somehow remove the Hayflick limit (so cells can infinitely divide, like cancer cells)?

If we could do it, I guess we could live for ever. The way to do it is to use the enzyme telomerase. The Hayflick limit is caused by shortening of the telomeres (which are at the end of a DNA strand or something) every time the cell divides. Telomerase (which cancer cells contain) replenishes the telomeres so the Hayflick limit doesn't work.

Oh and that wouldn't make us live forever. It would just make us have super cancer and die.

>> No.1483288

>>1483229

Telomerase has something to do with it.

If I remember right "dying from old age" is basically the end of the DNA strand becoming fucked up after too many duplications, a copy of a copy of a copy etc - so after awhile it eats the "filler" up and then into the real code and shit goes bad, yo.

But even if "natural causes" were removed; You'd still die of heart failure, lung cancer, aids and the like.

But then you have other issues to content with.

>> No.1483293

>>1483229

The problem is there isn't one trait that causes aging. Your body will naturally age because each cell replicating causes a chance of some unwanted mutation to occur.

You can't make a copy of a copy of a copy etc without degregation.

>> No.1483295

>>1483287
>>1483288
Hivemind.

>>1483287
That should read
>Oh, actually, that wouldn't make us live forever.

>> No.1483308

Moreover, getting rid of telomeres shortening won't stop our bones from becoming weaker and weaker, our teeth from wearing away, cholesterol from building in our blood vessels, or crap from building up in our lungs.

>> No.1483316

I think nanotech will be our "cure-all."


500 years from now.

>> No.1483319

>>1483308
Yes, it's a complicated thing to do.

To be honest I can't say I'd want to live forever, either.

>> No.1483325

>>1483319

I would like a robotic body, or at least a few clones.

Or the option to become a hot chick at will so I could violate myself.

Either or.

Living forever? Nah.

A few hundred years would do, or at least until First Contact.

>> No.1483331

In short, we can't live forever. But we can increase our lifespan alot.

>> No.1483338

>>1483325
Yeah. I really want to live to see first contact. That will be the best moment in anyone's lives.

I didn't think of that. I probably ought to take more interest in my health...

>> No.1483342

>>1483272
what the FUUUUCK

>> No.1483351

>>1483325
Read about transhumanism.

>> No.1483391

>>1483287
> It would just make us have super cancer and die.
I lol'd, its sad but true.

>> No.1483412

>>1483242
>>Some conservative Christians in america wouldn't let it happen because 'god doesn't want us to live forever'

are you suggesting that they wouldn't rationalize it saying: "it's more time to spread J.C.'s word and more time for heatens to be converted" or some shit like thT?
also, a death cult would lose much of its appeal without death...

>> No.1483427

>>1483412

There's always someone, somewhere, with a "holy" book trying to fuck something up for someone else.

>> No.1483462
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>>1483427

No doubt, but these guy wouldn't stand in power for long for a simple reason:
1) rich people will want to use said tech.
2) poor people won't like the idea of being left behind, so said tech will probably be popularized relatiely fast, no matter what the consequences.

I'm rich anyway, so yeah...

>> No.1483475

again with the hayflick limit?
/sci/ i am disappoint!

>> No.1483482

>>1483462
try telling the 2% of the population who holds the 50% of the money to turn down immortality.
Let's see what happens.

>> No.1483521

>>1483475
the hayflick limit is more agelesness than immortality

>> No.1483550

>>1483521

well they are synonimous in this particular conrext

>> No.1483562

>>1483229
OP:i wont have time for everything i want to do with my life!!!
Stranger:Well, what do you want to do?
OP:????

>> No.1483567

as long as you breathe oxygen combustion deteriorates all your tissues
so before anything else , you gotta find some new way to circulate vitamins, minerals etc through blood

>> No.1483597

>>1483562
the story of 4chan

>> No.1483598

>>1483521
there will be cures by the time there is agelessness

>> No.1483607

Robot body. Once the body has reached adulthood, you make an intricate robotic copy of it, then transfer the brain to the new body. So instead of getting older, you just get repairs or upgrades done. Still, we'd have to find a way to stop the brain from deteriorating.

>> No.1483616

aging gene, it's there, and it's the first thing cancer cells "turn off" before going wacko

we'd need a reliable way to prevent cancer and/or easily treat it before we try removing the aging gene entirely

>> No.1483624

There is no timer which says that you have to die at a certain age.

Cells just break down over time due to free radicals. Cell division results in more mutations and less healthy cells until your heart cannot work as well or something else catastrophic.

The key to immortality is renewing cells.

>> No.1483637

They found some jelly fish or some shit awhile back that totally regenerates it's entire body perfectly, no break down at all. So it's essentially ageless.

>> No.1483640

HEY BITCHES ADAM MONROE HERE JUST TO LAUGH AT YOU ALL

>> No.1483657

>>1483637
Yes, but the key to regeneration is simplicitly, as i'm sure you know-the simpler the organism, the easier the regeneration.

>> No.1483682

>>1483637
yeah, and it basically has no brain. it's immortal but dumb as a rock

>> No.1483694

>>1483637

The thing is that the jellyfish essentially found a loophole. Instead of just getting to a mature physical form and holding it there permanently it goes from larval form, into an adult form, and back into a larval form again instead of aging to the point of death.

It pretty much loads up the original copy of it's dna which is impressive and making biologists cry.

To be fair, the thing probably isn't truly immortal. Like anything no copy is perfect so after a long enough time I'm sure it would start to break down until after however ridiculously long it took to die it would.

It's just like copying a computer file. It's never permanent it just keeps breaking down a little more with every new copy. DNA is pretty similar. Except right now our bodies are making comparitively shitty copies.

>> No.1483697

>>1483242
guess what, those fuckers can die of old age, then maybe we can finally be rid if them

>> No.1483721

>>1483694

I just pictured myself going through puberty every 45 some odd years for the next 10,000 years.

brb, crying myself to sleep

>> No.1483946

http://www.hplusmagazine.com/articles/forever-young/manhattan-beach-project-end-aging-2029

>> No.1485096

Live forever = Enjoy your osteoarthritis

>> No.1485102

Considering some species of hydra or w/e that auatic organism is, can live forever, shows that theres something causing us to age.

>> No.1485106

>>1483229
Would it be possible to make sweet love on OP?

>> No.1485113

Aging accelerates evolution. That is the reason we age. Because aging has helped us evolve as a species.

>> No.1486710

MY SQUIRREL

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>>1483229
Enjoy your cancer.