/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.14827106]

Which one?

[Anonymous No.14827108]

all of them

[Anonymous No.14827109]

We're the wisp of some god's afterthoughts as he takes a divine shit

[Gwaihir No.14827118]

>>14827106
None of these are accurate.
....rolling for zero

[Gwaihir No.14827123]

>>14827118
Cognitivism as the trappings we wear tomorrow, it is

[Anonymous No.14827124]

>>14827106
>Not understanding Aristotelian hylomorphism
> Not realizing how ancient metaphysics can be married to modern cognitive science

Imagine being stuck in modern analytic philosophy with its narrow view of substances and causality.

[The Prime Factorization Guy No.14827142]

>>14827124
Lol yep. Imagine not being able to just channel from the global consciousness.

The Prime Factorization of 14827124 is:
2 x 2 x 13 x 389 x 733
>Sum of Primes: 1139
1139. daimonizomai ►
Strong's Concordance
daimonizomai: to be possessed by a demon
Original Word: δαιμονίζομαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: daimonizomai
Phonetic Spelling: (dahee-mon-id'-zom-ahee)
Definition: to be possessed by a demon
Usage: I am possessed, am under the power of an evil-spirit or demon.

Prime[1] = 2, Prime[6] = 13, Prime[77] = 389, Prime[130] = 733
>Sum of Nth of Primes: 215
215. or ►
Strong's Concordance
or: to be or become light
Original Word: אוֹר
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: or
Phonetic Spelling: (ore)
Definition: to be or become light

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[Anonymous No.14827295]

Wouldn't it be significant to find the creature with the simplest brain that has conciousness? And then study it with scans and sensors and electron microscopes

[Anonymous No.14827330]

>>14827295
Yeah, just tell the nog ur gonna put him back in chayns "for science".
>This should be good.
>*Popcorn*

[Anonymous No.14828431]

>>14827295
>Wouldn't it be significant to find the creature with the simplest brain that has conciousness?
No

[Anonymous No.14828439]

>>14827295
how would you be able to tell if a creature has consciousness or not

[Anonymous No.14828460]

>>14827106
You need to be a real unthinking, unconscious mouth breather to take any of them seriously.

[Anonymous No.14828811]

>>14828460
Which alternative?

[Anonymous No.14828928]

>>14828811
I don't need to provide any alternatives to notice how retarded every single position in that pic is.

[Anonymous No.14828958]

>>14827106
Tension between present data, past memories and future projection models

[Anonymous No.14828961]

>>14828928
You don't, but what alternative do you think is right? Or are no alternatives right either?

[Anonymous No.14828963]

>>14827106
>Trying to explain a simple idea, by utilizing complex ideas
Maybe while you are at it, can you explain what whiteness is?

[Anonymous No.14828985]

>>14828439
You can't tell for sure if anything "has consciousness" that's why 'solving the hard problem's is futile.

[Anonymous No.14828989]

>>14828961
>You don't, but what alternative do you think is right? Or are no alternatives right either?
"Right" in a /sci/ context? None. There are intuitively compelling and philosophically satisfactory options, but they're not scientific. That's not to say they are pseudscientific, unlike every option in OP's pic.

[Anonymous No.14829014]

>>14828989
Doesn't have to be in a /sci/ context

[Anonymous No.14829031]

>>14829014
You're on /sci/.

[Anonymous No.14829034]

>>14829031
So what?

[Anonymous No.14829045]

>>14829034
So I have the common sense to avoid non-science-related takes. Everything in OP is dimwit-tier pseudoscience, though, so that's fair to point out and discuss.

[Anonymous No.14829049]

>>14829045
Link some readings that are philosophically satisfactory I'm interested

[Anonymous No.14829058]

>>14829049
>Link some readings
Cringe. Imagine not having your own ideas.

[Anonymous No.14829073]

>>14829058
I have some ideas, but I'm interested in yours anon <3

[Anonymous No.14829074]

>>14829073
I'm not interested in discussing them on /sci/. You're weirdly obsessive about it.

[Anonymous No.14829276]

>>14827106
Why are people so obsessed with consciousness? You're never going to be a real human (sorry). Consciousness is basically the soul under modernist persecution. It's the fundamental axiom.

[Anonymous No.14829282]

>>14829276
So which one do you think is correct, or is there a different one you think is correct? Based on your post you seem to be claiming substance dualism

[Anonymous No.14829300]

>>14829276
>Consciousness is basically the soul under modernist persecution. It's the fundamental axiom.
This. It's the final strage of the simulacrization process: now they only need to make "consciousness" synonymous with some external symptoms and the unthinking masses will become fully disconnected from any essence and non-simulated reality.

[Jealous No.14829322]

>>14827106
teriyaki beef jerky

[Anonymous No.14829726]

>>14827106
Definetly not behaviorism and Identity Theory. Cognitivism and High Order Theory do not explain the meat of the question. Any other are on the table, I lean towards Functionalism

[Anonymous No.14830631]

>>14827106
It's software.

[Anonymous No.14830652]

>>14827295
here https://github.com/Flowx08/Celegans-simulation

[Anonymous No.14830656]

>>14829300
>This. It's the final strage of the simulacrization process: now they only need to make "consciousness" synonymous with some external symptoms and the unthinking masses will become fully disconnected from any essence and non-simulated reality.
Do you think the idea of "aphantasia" is their way of doing that? It seems to be shilled really heavily right now.

[Anonymous No.14830658]

>>14827106
Every option denies the existence of a soul therefore it's junk.

[Anonymous No.14830977]

>>14829276
if this was true why can people not tell who's conscious and who isn't unless the non-conscious person is honest about their internal experience
>inb4 I can just tell bro I'm a free thinker unlike these npcs

[Anonymous No.14831206]

There isnt even a commonly agreed upon definition of consciousness. So its pointless to even think about shit like this.

[Anonymous No.14831245]

>>14830977
Not him, but I can easily tell that you're a meatbot.

[Anonymous No.14832227]

>>14831245
sure and every meatbot/npc that buys into the idea will believe the exact same thing

[Anonymous No.14832382]

>>14827106
higher-order theory with a dash of bicameral mind. one half of the brain models an nth-order system, the other an (n+1)th-order system in which to analyze the former.

[Anonymous No.14832391]

None of those. Consciousness is the ultimate reality. Everything is made of consciousness.

[Anonymous No.14832410]

>>14829726
>Cognitivism and High Order Theory do not explain the meat of the question
Curious about your thoughts on >>14832382

[Anonymous No.14832416]

>>14832410
His thoughts on it is that your cope doesn't explain anything, clearly.

[Anonymous No.14832429]

>>14832416
Okay bro. Have a good one.

[Anonymous No.14832471]

>>14827106
None of them

[Anonymous No.14832731]

>>14832391
that's not consciousness per se, he's talking about the Ein Sof.

[Anonymous No.14833270]

>>14827295
Its impossible to tell if anything besides yourself is truly conscious.