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Anonymous Mon Sep 5 06:20:29 2022 No.14822456 [Reply] [Original]

Why are there parts of IQ tests focused around language, words, synonyms, etc? I never quite understood why, is it just a way to prop up the supposed ''intelligence'' of humanities people that couldn't score highly enough on the real problem solving test?

Because as far as i am aware, the definition for IQ, is non verbal pattern recognition. So why do psychologists even, who use the WAIS-IV have a whole third of the test dedicated to language and words?

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 06:27:22 2022 No.14822472

>>14822456
t. failed the language part of his IQ test
>Because as far as i am aware, the definition for IQ, is non verbal pattern recognition.
Which letter do you think stands for nonverbal pattern recognition, I or Q?

A bit less snarky: IQ tests are supposed to assess human intelligence. Nonverbal pattern recognition is but one aspect of human intelligence.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 06:29:03 2022 No.14822478 >>14822456 Understanding of one's native language has a lot to do with pattern-recognition and mental acuity.

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 07:18:13 2022 No.14822553

>>14822472
>Nonverbal pattern recognition is but one aspect of human intelligence.
It's the only one that matters though. It's what helps us build computers or fly to the moon.

What does language give us? The ability to write book? That no one wants to read anyway becuase it's boring as fuck? Ok. Wow.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 07:29:38 2022 No.14822564 >>14822553 how are you going to write a paper on how to fly to the moon anon? you know you'd have to do that kind of thing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 07:42:24 2022 No.14822572 >>14822564 By showing the math not making a popsci youtube video script

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 07:48:24 2022 No.14822576 >>14822564 I draw pictures and attach calculations, then people can figure out the rest, hieroglyphs worked for the egyptians, who flew to space with their pyramids btw

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Anonymous Mon Sep 5 08:27:18 2022 No.14822604

>>14822553
>What does language give us? The ability to write book? That no one wants to read anyway becuase it's boring as fuck? Ok. Wow.
It allows us to write text books that are actually not boring. It allows us to give lectures and hold seminars that convey a billion times more knowledge that some sperg's mumbling. Both are parts of human intelligence and both are important for STEM. Richard Feynman was great in both. His lectures and books are still relevant decades later. I think you underestimate the power of teaching. From a purely academic point of view, that's how you get the next generation of scientists. That's how you make sure your knowledge isn't lost. Some savant could have figured out calculus in Ancient Greece, but if he couldn't write it down in a way that people understand and see the value of it, we wouldn't know.
And in a bigger picture, communication is important to maintain public support. Think of how dumb the average American is and consider that half of the population is even dumber. If you can't explain the relevance of your research in a way that convinces midwits, you'll get budget cuts and all your precious work is gone if you cannot finalise your projects.
We need assburgers who see patterns in what most people consider static noise, we need people who are linguistically gifted, but the true champions are those who don't stutter when ordering a hotdog while excelling in their field.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 08:42:45 2022 No.14822621 Without language, using your other types of intelligence efficiently is pretty much impossible, you become like an elephant or a dolphin, no one gives a fuck about your ideas if you can't voice them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 08:43:01 2022 No.14822623 >>14822456 can you stop posting this ugly kike?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 08:44:55 2022 No.14822627 >>14822456 >non verbal pattern recognition. Autism?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 11:56:19 2022 No.14822766 >>14822456 Animals are capable of doing math but they can't speak or understand language. Having a high verbal intelligence is actually the most important trait for being overall intelligent

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 12:12:06 2022 No.14822781
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>>14822456
Language is the means by which we think abstractly. It's the operating system of our brain. Its primary role is not communication. Its primary role is to process abstract ideas. Our language systems are active even when solving spatial reasoning problems. Studies of high level chess players show the language center of the brain is most active when solving chess problems. If you are deficient in verbal reasoning, you are simply cognitively deficient.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 12:18:25 2022 No.14822786 >>14822553 >What does language give us? The ability to get laid consistently without having to pay for it and convince large groups of people to do what you say.

>>	Gwaihir Mon Sep 5 12:20:08 2022 No.14822787 >>14822553 Language is mathematical you fucking retard.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 12:21:22 2022 No.14822788 >>14822621 Btw if you're interested in the solution to this puzzle: Rxe7+ Nxe7 Qxd7+ Kxd7 Bf5++ Ke8 Bd7+ Kf8 or Kd8 Bxe7#

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 12:24:34 2022 No.14822789 File: 57 KB, 976x850, _91408619_55df76d5-2245-41c1-8031-07a4da3f313f.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14822456 Sapir whorf hypothesis

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 12:31:30 2022 No.14822800 >>14822456 >is it just a way to prop up the supposed ''intelligence'' of humanities people that couldn't score highly enough on the real problem solving test? So that a certain long-nosed tribe could boast their """verbal IQ""".

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 12:38:14 2022 No.14822806

>>14822781
>Studies of high level chess players show the language center of the brain is most active when solving chess problems.
I would wager that isn't the case if you present them with an arrangement of chess pieces that could never arise during normal play.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 12:39:51 2022 No.14822808 >>14822781 >Language is the means by which we think abstractly. It's the operating system of our brain. I've never met someone who believes in this that wasn't an uncreative, intellectually-mediocre NPC.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 12:43:51 2022 No.14822815 >>14822808 NTA but I'm constitutionally incapable of taking anyone who uses the word "mediocre" seriously.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 12:47:10 2022 No.14822819 >>14822553 >What does language give us? The ability to write book? Spoken like a true Neanderthal.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 12:48:50 2022 No.14822822 >>14822815 Good thing you and your trite thoughts will never matter.

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 12:50:31 2022 No.14822825

>>14822808
NPCs think they are somehow capable of thinking without language. They think language is just a tool for communicating thoughts which exist independently of language. One can forgive them for this belief, as they have no internal monolog, and are incapable of thought.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 12:51:50 2022 No.14822827 >>14822808 I think his point is that language processing is used by the brain for all mental tasks, even tasks that one might think is geometric or spatial, so a higher language intelligence gives higher intelligence on all mental tasks.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 12:53:38 2022 No.14822828 >>14822822 >writes like an obese woman who buys Chelsea Handler books at cover price >thinks it's qualified to evaluate who matters

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 12:56:33 2022 No.14822832 >>14822825 So you unironically can't think non-verbally? Tell me again how you're not a drone. lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 12:57:45 2022 No.14822837 >>14822827 >language processing is used by the brain for all mental tasks Prove it, faggot. >a higher language intelligence gives higher intelligence on all mental tasks. So does a higher score in any of the other domains, you stupid fuck.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 13:03:29 2022 No.14822844 >>14822828 >middling IQ wordcel getting toasty >>>/shitlit/

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 13:07:33 2022 No.14822850 [DELETED]

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>>14822781
>Our language systems are active even when solving spatial reasoning problems.
You mean our spatial reasoning systems are active when we're doing language-related tasks. You see? The preils of being a label-thinking moron.

>Studies of high level chess players show the language center of the brain is most active when solving chess problems
Studies of high level chess players also show that the correlation with general intelligence is weak and you can be a top-level player with an underwhelming IQ.

Gwaihir Mon Sep 5 13:11:01 2022 No.14822853

>>14822837
Different guy, but.....
Language IS mathematical. Defining a word is accomplished by determining what it "is" and what it "is not". Thomas Aquinas writes about this in the section of Summa Theologica regarding "the mean of virtue" and platonism+Pythagoreanism is the basis of how we "titrate" meaning-making in the mind.

Failure to properly discern the meaning of words/concepts is the root of all ideological disparity.
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/31864316
>Special Relativity
E^2 = (m*c/g)^2 + (√(pc/g))^2

>Let E=C; Let mc^2 = A; let c√p = B

>Pythagorean Theorem
C^2 = A^2 + B^2

>Let C = 1, Let A = cos(x), Let B = sin(x)

>Trigonometric Identity Property
1^2 = sin^2(x) + cos^2(x)
1^2 = 1/sec^2(x) + 1/csc^2(x)
1^2 = sin(x)/csc(x) + cos(x)/sec(x)

>Let 1= Truth; Let sin(x) = Pride; csc(x) = Humility; Let cos(x) = Shame; sec(x) = Wisdom
>Truth^2 = Pride/Humility + Shame/Wisdom
Pride^2 = Arrogance/Weakness + Ignorance/Knowledge
Shame^2 = Ignorance/Humiliation + Weakness/Failure
Humility^2 = Strength/Patience + Humiliation/Awareness
Wisdom^2 = Awareness/Knowledge + Strength/Success

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 13:11:41 2022 No.14822854 >>14822837 The other anon gave an example with chess. This applies to everything

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 13:12:42 2022 No.14822856 >>14822844 Sweetie, I finished my BSc in math before you bought your first Tampax.

Gwaihir Mon Sep 5 13:13:05 2022 No.14822857

>>14822853
When pride cometh, then cometh shame: But with the lowly is wisdom.
Proverbs 11:2 KJV

Arrogance---------\|/--------Knowledge
---------------------Pride-------------------
Ignorance---------/|\---------Weakness
Ignorance---------\|/---------Weakness
--------------------Shame------------------
Sin(failure)--------/|\--------Humiliation

Plus

Knowledge-------\|/----------Success
-------------------Wisdom---------------
Strength-----------/|\-------Awareness
Strength-----------\|/-------Awareness
-------------------Humility----------------
Humiliation-------/|\----------Patience

Equals:

------------------(Nous)---------------
--------------(knowledge)----------------
Pride--------------\|/------Wisdom
Weakness-----Truth-------Strength
Shame------------/|\-------Humility
Luciferian<---(Christ)----->MiChaElian
-----------------(Ennoia)---------------

Relationships across the axioms are trigonometric. That is to say Pride = 1/Humility and Shame is 1/Wisdom.

-------------------(cos*sin)------------------
Cosine--------------\|/--------Cosecant
Cotangent--Trigonometry----Tangent
Sin-------------------/|\--------Secant
-------------------(sin*cos)-------------------

In Christ, Omphalos of Truth, our sin consined, for Christ cosines our Sin

And finally. Physics.

------------------------(Photon)-------------
Electromagnetism----\|/-------------Heat
(Electron)------------Energy-----(Phonon)
Gravity-------------------/|\------------Sound
-----------------------(Graviton)--------------

Planck's constant is in two units of measure:
Joules per Hertz (which means electron/phonon) "Ohmic resistance is Phononic resistance.

And

Joules per second (Photon/Graviton)

If photon moves as 300million m/s, then the graviton, which is defined as "time passage" "moves" at 300million seconds per meter.

E^2 = (m*(c/g))^2 + p*(c/g)^2 (the sum of two squares)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 13:13:29 2022 No.14822859 >>14822844 Are you one of those midwit incels on this board who seethes about the philosopher boogeyman whenever slightly philosophical concepts are brought up?

Gwaihir Mon Sep 5 13:15:38 2022 No.14822861

>>14822857
Theory of Everything in Christ
Ignorance-------\|/----------Arrrogance
-------------------Pride---------------
Courage---------/|\-------Knowledge
Courage---------\|/-------Knowledge
------------------Wisdom----------------
Awareness-------/|\---------Strength

Ignorance---------\|/---------Failure
-------------------Shame---------------
Vulnerability------/|\-------Humiliation
Vulnerability------\|/-------Humiliation
-------------------Humility----------------
Awareness--------/|\--------Strength

Evil------------ ▼-------Freedom
-------------Humanity--------------
Control--------▲------------Good

Distance------▼-------Atonement
---------------Gravity------------------
Sin--------------▲------Redemption

Greed-----▼-----------Trust
------------Faith---------------
Fear-------▲----Generosity

Wrath-----------▼-----Tolerance
-----------------Time----------------
Judgement----▲------Patience

Envy----------------▼-------Respect
---------------------Love-----------------
Low Esteem------▲-----Admiration

Eating Death----▼--------Ascetisim
--------------------Life--------------------
Gluttony----------▲---Eating Plants

-------------(segregation)----------------------
Genetic diff-----▼-----psychospiritual diff.
(Miscegen.) (Race) (War/Eugenics)
Genetic Indiff---▲--psychospiritual indiff.
--------------(syncretism)----------------------

-------------------(cos*sin)-----------------
Cosine--------------▼---------Cosecant
Cotangent--Trigonometry----Tangent
Sin-------------------▲------------Secant
-------------------(sin*cos)-----------------

LH Neutrino-----▼—----RH Neutrino
-------------------------+------------------------
LH Antineutrino-▲-RH Anti-Neutrino

Matter---------▼—------dark matter
---------------------+-------------------------
Antimatter—-▲—--dark antimatter

Each word/platonic form in the entire lexicon of language is defined, related and differentiates by it's neighboring forms

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 13:16:28 2022 No.14822862 >>14822854 >The other anon gave an example with chess >>14822850 nails it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 13:16:42 2022 No.14822863 >>14822853 Mathematics is symbolic and structured. Language is symbolic and structured too. Aside from that, math is not a language, and language is not mathematical.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 13:17:17 2022 No.14822864 >>14822856 >Um, sweaty? I actually have a bachelor's degree

>>	Gwaihir Mon Sep 5 13:17:38 2022 No.14822866 >>14822854 Yep, all words, mathematical constructs, physical constructs and psychological construct adhere to the same transferrence logos which is ultimately mathematical in nature as predicted by Max Tegmark.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 13:17:38 2022 No.14822865 >>14822859 No, but I'm pretty sure "people" like you are the reason "people" like them infest this board. Kind funny how you live rent-free in each other's heads.

>>	Gwaihir Mon Sep 5 13:19:00 2022 No.14822868 >>14822863 You're wrong. Explain how a programming language is not transferrable to mathematics and how that mathematics is not transferrable to physics within a computer's circuitry.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 13:20:08 2022 No.14822871 >>14822576 hieroglyphs are still verbal writing systems dude lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 13:21:44 2022 No.14822873 >>14822868 Take your fucking meds.

>>	Gwaihir Mon Sep 5 13:22:31 2022 No.14822874 >>14822873 So you give up? I'll take that as a concession. Quit projecting.

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 13:22:48 2022 No.14822875

>>14822866
They're all reflections of a priori mental structures which are not, strictly speaking, mathematical. They're not tied to any one mode of representation or imagination in particular, but instead appear in all of them.
The perception of sound is divided into categorically distinct qualities. The perception and comprehension of shapes is divided into categorically distinct qualities. The perception and comprehension of tactile sensations is too divided into categorically distinct qualities. All of this is in turn grouped into broader, more abstract categories, for which language merely happens to be the medium by which they can be expressed in a way common to all humans, and for which mathematics is merely a subdivision of this same symbolic representation capability, except put in a slightly more formal way.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 13:24:10 2022 No.14822876 >>14822868 The fact that it is transferrable in terms of structure relations does not mean that the object itself strictly pertains to any one category.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 13:24:24 2022 No.14822877 >>14822456 What's the difference between mid 120 IQ and a 130 IQ or 140 IQ?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 13:25:21 2022 No.14822880 >>14822877 120 is to 140 what 70 is to 100. You simply don't occupy the same reality.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 13:27:21 2022 No.14822883 >>14822880 140IQ sama, I kneel...

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 13:27:49 2022 No.14822884 >>14822874 I'll tell you you're right if you stop posting here.

Gwaihir Mon Sep 5 13:30:11 2022 No.14822886

>>14822875
Correct, they are NOT strictly mathematical, but they can be related to each other through mathematics. All knowledge of the mechanisms by which we communicate and reason are derived from a prior constructs the Greeks referred to as the Logos, which was personified in the person of Christ(God)

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 13:36:06 2022 No.14822893
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>>14822886
You can also relate everything to dogs if you wanted to.
Dogs have legs and a body. Anything that spreads out from something else is therefore doglike.
Dog have 4 legs (2 hind and 2 fore), with 5 toes each, meaning both the base-10 and base-20 counting systems are doglike.
Dogs look for food to give their young, and weak dogs obey stronger dogs, with stronger domesticated dogs obeying their human masters, which means politics and pedagogy are both doglike.
Dogs breed and reproduce, passing their traits of the way they look and act onto teir offspring, which means genetics is doglike.
Dogs move by stepping on the ground and pushing it back, which means anything that moves is doglike, and that mechanics in general is dog like.
Dogs can react to different colors differently, which means optics is doglike too.
Therefore, everything is doggish and doglike by virtue of being related to dogs and dogs are the centre of all creation.

Do you see why this is a flawed argument?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 13:38:16 2022 No.14822895 >>14822806 Why not? With a puzzle the plausibility of the position is irrelevant, tactics still work the same.

Gwaihir Mon Sep 5 13:43:37 2022 No.14822901

>>14822893
That's not really the same thing. The awareness of the existence of a dog is not a priori so it lacks universality. Furthermore, it's also a poor analogy because it fails to reconcile physics and or science in general. You seem to be seething though, so i presume youre OP lashing out with an attempt to shame me borne of embracing the pride response over a taking a more humble approach to learning.

Your OP topic is a concept mired in your own ignorance, baffled by language and lashing out at everyone with projected ignorance and shame.

Ironically, you're using words to convey this ire.

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 13:44:47 2022 No.14822905 [DELETED]

>>14822883
It's not like that. I've had the unfortunate experience of having my cognitive abilities nerfed due to illness, but recovering from it was truly eye-opening. The crazy thing is that as you gradually decline, it's not particularly apparent that something is wrong. Sure, you don't perform as well at conventionally intellectual tasks and it's a bummer, but you don't notice it so much in regular everyday experience. You just do things normally. Everything feels normal. But man, when you start to recover and suddenly you find yourself noticing all the little connections, when you see the rhyme and reason behind arbitrary everyday things that you take for granted, when you start appreciating the subtle jokes and finer meanings in the movies or music you enjoy, everything is so much more vibrant and interesting and meaningful. It was only then that I realized how different the world looks through the eyes of a midwit and how utterly unaware they are of this difference. Living life with a middling IQ is like watching a comedy when you have no sense of humor.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 13:47:22 2022 No.14822908 File: 21 KB, 600x315, 3524453.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Leave it to the intellectually insecre midwit wordcels to flex their reddit debate skills against a rambling schizo.

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 13:48:16 2022 No.14822910
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>>14822905
Yeah, I get that. I have schizophrenia so my brain is quite depleted and I find it very hard to find the same joy in things that I used to, and I cannot even express my emotions. I read a paper that said pre morbid IQ is slightly higher because my psychosis would have caused some brain damage or at least some neurotoxicity. But I'm happy still and try to make fun of myself, as well as get into straight retarded pseudoscience because it's enjoyable and it's good for breaking the ice with girls. Glad you have felt better. I hope your illness wasn't that bad and that you recover fully! Upward and onward, anon.

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 13:57:24 2022 No.14822922

>>14822901
I'm not OP, and my point is that you can't really point to any one skillset or idea as the all-encompassing measure of what intelligence is, but rather that there's different types of intelligence parameters that do not necessarily relate to one another, like spatial, mathematical, logical, verbal, creative, mnemonic, and manipulative abilities. Real humans do rely on a mixture of these. For example, a surgeon must have facts about human biology and dissection procedures memorized, but must also have the ability to make fine incisions and extract or replace specific parts of a body with high delicacy. In contrast, an engineer should be able to imagine a mechanism and think of how everything would work together, as well as to know why specific parts or combinations thereof would be more appropriate to make in a certain shape and with a certain material for specific reasons.
The point I'm trying to make is that, no, there is no such thing as "intelligence" that would enable a person to be an all-rounded engineer-artist-surgeon-physicist-mathematician-politician.

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 14:02:35 2022 No.14822929 [DELETED]

>>14822910
Sorry about your trouble, anon. For what it's worth, we seem to be on the cusp of some real paradigm shifts and innovations when it comes to treating mental conditions. If you manage it carefully, hopefully you'll still have some of your brain left by the time they figure out better treatment options. Best of luck.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 14:10:42 2022 No.14822942 >>14822456 Because complex language is a defining feature of humanity and human cognition likely originates with semantic and syntactic structure.

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 14:14:40 2022 No.14822946 [DELETED]

>>14822922
>you can't really point to any one skillset or idea as the all-encompassing measure of what intelligence is
Sure you can: it's the ability to integrate new information into an efficient mental model of the world, to recognize the connections between seemingly unrelated data points and to notice higher-level principles that generalize across domains.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 14:16:56 2022 No.14822949 >>14822942 Doesn't explain why it belongs in an IQ test. It adds nothing except susceptibility to training effects which an IQ tests are supposed to avoid.

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 14:20:28 2022 No.14822958
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>entire thread exist
>no one brings up structual similarities involving syntax

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/269711941_Hierarchical_processing_in_the_prefrontal_cortex_in_a_variety_of_cognitive_domains

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 14:28:14 2022 No.14822966
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>>14822910
Considering that English is not my native language I feel ok about the result. In the real IQ test I once had to take, the verbal component was the highest.

Gwaihir Mon Sep 5 14:30:58 2022 No.14822973

>>14822922
Yes, there are different specializations, but the process of learning any particular nuance is choosing to humble ones self and accept that others may be in a position of wisdom (knowing) foremost.

The cognitive dissonance function is akin to ohmic resistance in electron transfer and when pride is the response to becoming self-aware of one's ignorance embracing pride becomes antithetical to learning any further nuance which leads to specialization.

Of course, the dissonance response also serves a function, which is to filter out bullshit from Truth.

All ideological disparity comes as a result of the summation of one's pride and humility choices when encountering presumed wisdom and bullshit.

>>	Gwaihir Mon Sep 5 14:32:43 2022 No.14822976 >>14822966 Yeah all IQ tests should be taken in ones native language or else they are going to skew the results disfavorably.

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 14:34:33 2022 No.14822978

>>14822966
Nice! What is your native language anon? You are very smart in my eyes for being able to learn English, and at a quite high level (which I hear is hard for EAL speakers as we have a bizarre history of Normans, Vikings, and Romans making our language with seemingly arbitrary rules).
I try to learn new languages but I am not very good at commitment, which is a big part of it. However, French is much easier than when I was trying to learn Ancient Greek (because of loan words, similar 'word order', and also because my work load is more manageable now). I hope I learn a new language to some usable capacity.
>>14822929
I don't really mind. I think it's just funny that I developed schizophrenia because it makes me so eccentric and I don't really have issues beyond the fact I can't do drugs without getting paranoid. I would like a cure and it would be good to have that there in case I have some kids with a special lady I talk to.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 14:34:42 2022 No.14822979 >>14822976 To be fair, the spatial and memory parts were mostly nonverbal and I understood the instructions perfectly well. I wonder what my memory IQ would be on days I don't take vyvanse.

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 14:38:19 2022 No.14822986

>>14822978
German, so not as far from English as many other languages.
>I try to learn new languages but I am not very good at commitment,
I live in a German-speaking country, but English is the lingua franca at my workplace. Some days I barely speak any German. If you want to learn French, consider an internship in France (or Belgium or Switzerland), or some other reason to go there for a few months.

Gwaihir Mon Sep 5 14:42:15 2022 No.14822990

>>14822922
The limitation you're describing is not intellectual scope, by the way, it's time. There have been a number of philosopher inventer doctor engineer artists throughout history. They generally come from backgrounds where familial wealth afforded them the time to become a "master of all trades"

Gwaihir Mon Sep 5 14:49:41 2022 No.14823005

>>14822978
>have a bizarre history of Normans, Vikings, and Romans

A surprising amount of English linguistics are Hebrew in their linguistic origin.

Consider the root "Lev" which is used in the words el-lev-ate, lev-el, lev-ator,lev-it-tate.

In Hebrew, the "lev" is the spiritual center of man, which takes on positive or negative polarity based upon ones sin and virtue choices.

To el-lev-ate is to god-heart-ate, which is to raise your spiritual center of mass upward towards God.

Lev-el also references the absolute position of one's polarity I. Reference to God/demonic influences.

A levator muscle is one that lifts a limb upward.

To levitate is to float upward against the gravity of sin.

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 14:53:46 2022 No.14823012

>>14823005
>From Latin levis (“light”) from Proto-Italic *leɣʷis (with possible contamination from *breɣʷis), from Proto-Indo-European *h1lengʰwih2-, from *h1léngʰus, from *h1lengʷʰ- (“lightweight”). Cognates include Sanskrit लघु (laghú), Ancient Greek ἐλᾰφρός, ἐλᾰχῠ́ς (elaphrós, elakhús) and Old English lēoht (English light).
And for the Hebrew word:
>From Proto-Semitic *libb- from Proto-Afroasiatic *lib- (“heart”). Cognate with Proto-Berber *ulβ (see Central Atlas Tamazight ⵓⵍ (ul) for more) and Egyptian jb.[1]

Gwaihir Mon Sep 5 14:57:29 2022 No.14823019

>>14823005
There are also a number of homonymic similarities between Hebrew and English within the Bible that insinuate God foreshadowed the development of the English language within Hebrew.

For example, the Hebrew word for "thorn" is pronounced "sin". In 2 cor 12 Paul references the single "thorn" God (Jesus) left in his side, which he begs Christ to remove lest we all discover him to be an imperfect fraud of God's message.

This is not in reference to an actual "thorn" it in reference to "sin" indicating God knew the evolution of language would develop into English which provides homonymic contextualized reference to it.

The phrase "thorn in my side" when describing a meddlesome bother (like a demon whispering in your left ear) is derived from this homonym

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 15:03:53 2022 No.14823027 >>14823019 You know that god isn't real and that Paul most likely spoke Greek, especially when writing to Corintheans?

Gwaihir Mon Sep 5 15:04:36 2022 No.14823029

>>14823012
Yes. Read Ephesians 4:18 I. Multiple translations especially noting the orthodox Jewish Bible and complete Jewish Bible translations which describes the "darkening" of the "levatot"

There is a fundamental relationship between Lev as a spiritual axis within Hebrew conceptualozations and it's relation to light/darkness dualism

>>	Gwaihir Mon Sep 5 15:05:36 2022 No.14823034 >>14823027 You're a fool. You're not going to convince me to be a fool like yourself, so let's just move past this this obstacle, kapish?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 15:06:35 2022 No.14823036 >>14823029 >Ephesians Another book written in Greek by a Greek.

>>	Gwaihir Mon Sep 5 15:11:04 2022 No.14823045 >>14823036 Which all the more, proves that God foreshadowed the development of English. Because Paul chose the Greek word for thorn, which is αγκάθι ankáthi, which sounds nothing like "sin"

>>	Gwaihir Mon Sep 5 15:12:18 2022 No.14823048 >>14823045 It was a development that was foreshadowed by thousands of years of linguistic evolution, and it was done so, so that people who wish to obscure God's truth, could never foresee it to know to change it in the first place.

Gwaihir Mon Sep 5 15:14:50 2022 No.14823055

It's kind of like how the "stone" (Omphallos) the builders (pantheonic watchers) overlooked has become the cornerstone. The seemingly unremarkable stone Rhea Fed Cronus....that the builders couldn't fathom to remove from the story.... That stone (Christ as Omphallos, origin, navel, hub)

>>	Gwaihir Mon Sep 5 15:16:03 2022 No.14823059 None of you guys are very smart. I'm smarter than all of you and I am a moron.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 15:16:36 2022 No.14823060 >>14822553 >retard who never read a book in his life detected

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 15:26:01 2022 No.14823084 >>14823059 >I am a moron. The first true thin you said today.

>>	Gwaihir Mon Sep 5 15:34:52 2022 No.14823101 >>14823084 It's objectively true about everyone

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 15:44:36 2022 No.14823115 >>14823060 Reading is for retards, math isn't read, it's done, like a craft

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 15:46:01 2022 No.14823116 >>14822908 Redditors love to use big fancy words to prop up the fact that they can't comprehend basic calc though, calling themselves intelligent

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 15:50:06 2022 No.14823130 >>14823116 Indeed, the swarms of reddit show a marked preference for verbal obfuscation as a means of security against posters of higher intellectual capacity.

Gwaihir Mon Sep 5 15:54:17 2022 No.14823136

The only way to not be a moron is to be omniscient and typographically incapable of making an error.

What % of human fecal matter in your ball of dough are you ok with ingesting along with your grain when consuming a loaf of bread?

Can I roll you up a doughball with 18% feces? What about if I just swipe my ass crack and mix a trace amount of anal leakage into it? Is that an acceptable amount?

Captcha Hax 4 XY

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 15:54:18 2022 No.14823137 >>14823130 >Indeed, pledditfags use big words to hide from smarter people. I deplebbitted your comment.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 16:02:11 2022 No.14823154 >>14823137 Your deplebbitation is unsatisfactory.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 16:02:47 2022 No.14823156 IQ = math and pictures, simple as, ok?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 16:06:01 2022 No.14823165 >>14823154 >Fuck you Deplebbited your comment again.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 16:09:19 2022 No.14823170 >>14823165 I was merely engaging in facetious play but then you had to dumb it down so much that the original meaning was lost, inadvertantly demonstrating the superiority of the pledditor hordes and their superior command of the english language.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 16:10:51 2022 No.14823171 >>14823170 >j/k but you suck anyway

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 19:25:42 2022 No.14823623

>>14822456
>Because as far as i am aware, the definition for IQ, is non verbal pattern recognition.
That's not correct. However, it's possible to game the test if you're well read. A better test may be what some governments use to figure out language aptitude. They basically create an artificial language using fake words and rules.

>>14822553
>What does language give us?
How advanced did we become before language? You can only go so far when all information is stored through verbal stories.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 19:31:05 2022 No.14823643 >>14822456 95th percentile here. I will never contribute to society.

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 19:38:48 2022 No.14823660

>>14822895
If chess players are using verbal reasoning, then what I described is equivalent to creating a word salad. Most high-level chess players aren't solving a puzzle when they play, they're searching their knowledgebase for an optimal move given the current state of play. Randomized chess would include states of play for which they have no moves in their knowledgebase, which as you point out would force them to revert to tactical thinking. I suspect that would involve more spatial thinking than verbal.

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 19:54:48 2022 No.14823712

>>14822456
the concept of science or the scientificity of science—what has always been determined as logic—a concept that has always been a philosophical concept, even if the practice of science has constantly challenged its imperialism of the logos, by invoking, for example, from the beginning and ever increasingly, nonphonetic writing. No doubt this subversion has always been contained within a system of direct address [systeme allo cutoire] which gave birth to the project of science and to the conventions of all nonphonetic characteristics. It could not have been otherwise. None theless, it is a peculiarity of our epoch that, at the moment when the pho neticization of writing—the historical origin and structural possibility of philosophy as of science, the condition of the episteme—begins to lay hold on world culture, science, in its advancements, can no longer be satisfied with it. This inadequation had always already begun to make its presence felt. But today something lets it appear as such, allows it a kind of takeover without our being able to translate this novelty into clear cut notions of mutation, explicitation, accumulation, revolution, or tradition. These values belong no doubt to the system whose dislocation is today presented as such, they describe the styles of an historical movement which was meaningful like the concept of history itself—only within a logocentric epoch.

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 19:56:18 2022 No.14823717

>>14823712
By alluding to a science of writing reined in by metaphor, metaphysics, and theology, this exergue must not only announce that the science of writing—grammatology—shows signs of liberation all over the world, as a result of decisive efforts. These efforts are necessarily discreet, dispersed, almost imperceptible; that is a quality of their meaning and of the milieu within which they produce their operation. I would like to suggest above all that, however fecund and necessary the undertaking might be, and even if, given the most favorable hypothesis, it did overcome all technical and epistemological obstacles as well as all the theological and meta physical impediments that have limited it hitherto, such a science of writing runs the risk of never being established as such and with that name. Of never being able to define the unity of its project or its object. Of not being able either to write its discourse on method or to describe the limits of its field. For essential reasons: the unity of all that allows itself to be attempted today through the most diverse concepts of science and of writing, is, in principle, more or less covertly yet always, determined by an historico-metaphysical epoch of which we merely glimpse the closure. I do not say the end. The idea of science and the idea of writing—therefore also of the science of writing—is meaningful for us only in terms of an origin and within a world to which a certain concept of the sign (later I shall call it the concept of sign) and a certain concept of the relationships between speech and writing, have already been assigned. A most determined relationship, in spite of its privilege, its necessity, and the field of vision that it has controlled for a few millennia, especially in the West, to the point of being now able to produce its own dislocation and itself proclaim its limits.

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 19:57:20 2022 No.14823720

>>14823717
Perhaps patient meditation and painstaking investigation on and around what is still provisionally called writing, far from falling short of a science of writing or of hastily dismissing it by some obscurantist reaction, letting it rather develop its positivity as far as possible, are the wanderings of a way of thinking that is faithful and attentive to the ineluctable world of the future which proclaims itself at present, beyond the closure of knowledge.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 19:59:07 2022 No.14823728 File: 237 KB, 220x124, B4446E6E-72AF-441E-968F-7993E58938E4.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The absolute state of wordcopers in this thread intelligence has nothing to do with how many words you can memorize

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 19:59:17 2022 No.14823729

>>14822806
It's quite likely that this is the case. Chess masters can easily remember entire chess boards given only one look at them. Place the pieces randomly instead of in a valid configuration, however, and they fare no better than the average person.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:00:23 2022 No.14823732 >>14823728 Sent from her iPhone. How’s the HRT?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:10:12 2022 No.14823756 >>14823729 >I would wager that this isn't the case >It's quite likely that this is the case I think you're agreeing with me, but your meaning could be clearer.

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:13:55 2022 No.14823765
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>>14822456
Verbal reasoning is extremely tough. Imagine a word as a complex, jagged puzzle piece of meaning. Verbal reasoning is the ability to combine these puzzle pieces in such a way that one creates a nice, smooth, and precise "picture" (the meaning) that is complete without any jagged edges on the sides, missing holes in the middle, etc. It's even tougher when you consider that two different people may have different perspectives, intelligences, level of knowledge, etc. And that's where my metaphor begins to break down.

Reducing verbal intelligence down to "memorizing as many words as I can" is plain stupid. Memory doesn't tell you how to use words effectively. Understanding has to be there, too.

Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:17:04 2022 No.14823777

>>14822456
>>14823765
Returning to the analogy, the (often subtle) connections between words can be represented as the nature of the edges of the puzzle pieces. That's why synonyms, analogies, reading comprehension, etc. is a mechanically important part of intelligence: being able to pick up on subtle similarities and differences quickly and being able to wield them to practical effect has to be a sign of SOMETHING brilliant going on in your brain, no?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:23:47 2022 No.14823809 >>14823756 Yeah, I agree with you. Sorry if that was unclear

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:30:17 2022 No.14823825 >>14823809 No worries man, the context made your meaning clear, it just wasn't the best choice of words.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 20:32:46 2022 No.14823834 Too much of IQ tests is purely visual spatial. If Chomsky is right then there should be tests for pattern recognition in the recursion/composition realm in a language agnostic way.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 21:34:48 2022 No.14824013 >>14822866 The Greeks thought of that way long ago

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 21:36:23 2022 No.14824018 No one is intelligent who can't speak at least 3 languages which aren't in the same language family

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 5 21:44:28 2022 No.14824037 >>14824018 >implying there are non-IE languages worth learning.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 09:03:47 2022 No.14825113 >>14822456 The ability to interpret and summarise information then efficiently convey it, is strongly correlated with intelligence.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 09:05:15 2022 No.14825116 >>14822866 The Axis of Evil guy?

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 09:09:53 2022 No.14825122

>>14822576
Hieroglyphics are quite literally visual representations of spoken words.
They just drew pictures of things then they take the first syllable of the word to construct more words using the hieroglyphs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkIwJSuQtyY

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 10:37:33 2022 No.14825243

>>14825113
There is literally zero relation between using fancy words and having high intelligence, zero.

IQ is the ability to notice patterns, language isn't anyting natural, it doesn't have patterns for us to observe, it's just a human made construct like a hammer, or a chair, we can observe and memorize the concept but there is no inherent pattern to these things, because they don't occur naturally

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 10:42:50 2022 No.14825252 >>14825243 > it doesn't have patterns for us to observe Have you never actually studied linguistics?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 12:22:24 2022 No.14825383 >>14825243 Tell me you're a monolingual beta without telling me

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 14:45:48 2022 No.14825648

>>14822456
Dumb redneck filtered in FSIQ test.
Don't worry -- you can still play high-IQ giga-genius on /pol/ with any poor reading comprehension, terrible grammar, and misspelled words you may have. Just blame it on phone-posting, or say that you're only pretending to be stupid to bait newfags.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 14:46:49 2022 No.14825650 >>14825648 I feel personally attacked.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 15:15:11 2022 No.14825713 >>14822456 Algebraic reasoning, logical reasoning, and language skills are the same thing

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 15:18:32 2022 No.14825718 >>14825713 I legit couldn’t find a brainlet wojak powerful enough to reply to this post with, it just doesn’t exist But pretend i attached some REALLY dumb looking wojak that represents this comment

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 15:22:23 2022 No.14825726 >>14825713 I'm not gonna call you a retard straight up, but I'm gonna need you to defend yourself

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 15:25:23 2022 No.14825732 >>14825718 >>14825726 You have no understanding of algebra, logic, or linguistics if you don't understand that post.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 15:26:13 2022 No.14825735 >>14825732 Most people who study logic or linguistics couldn’t pass algebra 2 to save their lives Sit down

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 15:26:54 2022 No.14825739 >>14825735 Wrong.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 15:27:28 2022 No.14825742 >>14825739 Cope

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 15:30:12 2022 No.14825746 >>14825742 Nope. Algebra, logic, and language are just transformations on strings, they are computationally equivalent. Go learn about computational linguistics and the chomsky hierarchy

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 15:49:24 2022 No.14825778 >>14825746 nerrrrrrrrrrrd

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 15:55:43 2022 No.14825794

>>14822553
Language is the tool to express your thoughts, how the fuck are you supposed to share ideas without knowing a language? That's why Africa is so behind as they didn't write, meanwhile you got Shakespeare's inventing a thousand words still used today.
For anyone bilingual it's even more apparent how important language is because you got words or phrases that express something specific that works in one language but not the other.

Gwaihir Tue Sep 6 16:06:38 2022 No.14825815

>>14823720
Are you saying the evolution of language and writing is just finally starting to develop the specificity necessary to describe the science of linguistics, philology, and writing itself? Typifying this endeavor as an undertaking, which, in and of itself, may never be polishable to an "end"?

To reference an old construct, Daedalus' Labyrinth, while incredibly simple, has no end. For every foyer contains two doors, leading to another foyer with two doorways as infinitum

>>	Gwaihir Tue Sep 6 16:07:39 2022 No.14825818 >>14825815 Such is the insatiable nature of knowledge, itself, which is never an end to it's means.

>>	Gwaihir Tue Sep 6 16:11:38 2022 No.14825824 >>14825746 That's what I've been trying to tell them but they're too far into the nuance of whatever it is they pride themselves as knowledgeable in to see the bigger picture.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 16:13:43 2022 No.14825828 >>14825794 Still has no carry over to mathematics that is the premier measurement of IQ

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 16:14:02 2022 No.14825830

>>14825648
>or say that you're only pretending to be stupid to bait newfags.
If you go back far enough, behind every "nothing personnel," "turn 360 degrees and walk away," and erroneous verb conjugation in a subject line is some poorly educated white nigger who tried to make the most of looking retarded.

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 16:17:49 2022 No.14825841

>>14825824
When it comes down to it, to put in in the meme parliance: Wordcels are overall much more intelligent than shape rotators.
Its "wordcels", not "shape rotators", that construct physical theories, write logical arguments, built the first computers and formalized logic and grammar, etc. The proof is in a very simple argument: There are many species of animal which have superior spatial intelligence than us humans, but they are no where near as intelligent as we are, because they have no linguistic/algebraic/logical intelligence. That's the real intelligence.
A person with a high verbal IQ is more intelligent than a person who has a high spatial IQ but low verbal IQ.

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Anonymous Tue Sep 6 16:26:10 2022 No.14825850

>>14825828
Who cares, you can't learn math without language and even if you did you would have no use for it. It's like wanting to install a calculator program on the computer you don't have a operating system on.
That said I don't know what IQ tests for language and words are, so maybe they're shit.

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 16:32:47 2022 No.14825863

>>14825746
Language is a lot more messy and psychologically involved than algebra or logic though. Sometimes, ambiguity, vagueness, and multiple meanings is a feature, not a flaw, of communication. And precision with language on the level of mathematics is virtually impossible. It's a completely different art that's dependent on a two-way street between the people using the language.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 16:35:23 2022 No.14825864 >>14822456 Nah, in university we learn that there are multiple intelligences. Besides, did you study the dark truth about IQ tests?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 16:36:27 2022 No.14825867 >>14822456 >Do intelligent people, scientists and academics need to be literate? Yes. Third world need not apply. The fuck did you even make this thread for?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 16:37:57 2022 No.14825871 >>14825864 >did you study the dark truth about IQ tests? What are they?

Gwaihir Tue Sep 6 16:40:58 2022 No.14825880

>>14825841
Have you seen the axiomatic theory of everything I post here and on /x/ yet? Where I translate special relativity to the pythagorean theorem, to the Trigonometric Identity Property to the axiom of Truth as it pertains to pride shame wisdom humility and sub-forms of platonic relativity?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 16:50:36 2022 No.14825908 >>14825880 yes namefag, everybody has seen your schizo boardspam

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 16:52:37 2022 No.14825912

>>14822456
If you can't express yourself, understand how others react to different experiences and why, and can't form relationships with other people, can you really say you're intelligent? no
high IQ people are also people with excellent social skills and who can express themselves in an intelligible manner that is clear to everyone.

Who is smarter, between the MIT grad student with a 9-5 codemonkey job for which he had to extensively study leetcode questions only to get bossed around by a manager from a no name school
OR
said manager who climbed the social ladder through good networking and eloquence and gets to boss the engie around all day long while earning 2x the salary?

>>	Gwaihir Tue Sep 6 17:00:32 2022 No.14825924 >>14825908 Sir. Are you telling me I'm famous? 4 Chan is the epicenter of the internet.

>>	Gwaihir Tue Sep 6 17:12:00 2022 No.14825943 >>14825912 Codemonkey devalues himself by working for someone else in the first place. Then look at their diet, fitness routine, and the way that they carry themselves and it quickly becomes evident they're not smart at all.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 17:23:40 2022 No.14825963 >>14825924 Not as famous as amazonposter but maybe you'll get there one day

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 17:30:43 2022 No.14825983 >>14825863 notice that the algebracels have NOTHING to say about this

>>	Gwaihir Tue Sep 6 17:39:39 2022 No.14826002 >>14825983 Philosophical algebra: Truth is the pride of humility >T=P/H >Solve for P Pride is the Truth of Humility >P=T/H >Solve for H Humility is the Pride of Truth >H=P/T

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 17:41:18 2022 No.14826007 >>14822456 >not playing to chess rules I can get to 107, but typically I hit 110~115. If I got over the "need to be above" problem I admit I have, I could probably hit something like 99 or 98.

>>	Gwaihir Tue Sep 6 17:41:20 2022 No.14826009 >>14826002 SOH-CAH-TOA

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 17:45:32 2022 No.14826024 File: 2.05 MB, 1080x1080, Zen-koan-case-19-what-is-tao-chao-chou.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14826002 I see your philosophical algebra and raise you one philosophical koan:

>>	Gwaihir Tue Sep 6 17:51:14 2022 No.14826031 Truth is the Wisdom of Shame >T=W/S >Solve for W Wisdom is the Truth of Shame >W=T/S >Solve for A Shame is the Truth of Wisdom S=T/W

>>	Gwaihir Tue Sep 6 17:57:03 2022 No.14826038 >>14826002 Inverses: Truth is the Humility of Pride >T=H/P >Solve for P Pride is the Humility of Truth >P=H/T >Solve for H Humility is the Pride of Truth >H=P/T

>>	Gwaihir Tue Sep 6 18:00:31 2022 No.14826047 >>14826031 Inverses: Truth is the Shame of Wisdom >T=S/W >Solve for S Shame is the Truth of Wisdom >S=T/W >Solve for W Wisdom is the Truth of Shame W=T/S

Gwaihir Tue Sep 6 18:01:59 2022 No.14826050

>Second Level Axioms of the Truth Axiom
Arrogance---------\|/--------Knowledge
---------------------Pride-------------------
Ignorance---------/|\---------Weakness
Ignorance---------\|/---------Weakness
--------------------Shame------------------
Sin(failure)--------/|\--------Humiliation

Plus

Knowledge-------\|/----------Success
-------------------Wisdom---------------
Strength-----------/|\-------Awareness
Strength-----------\|/-------Awareness
-------------------Humility----------------
Humiliation-------/|\----------Patience

>>	Gwaihir Tue Sep 6 18:05:31 2022 No.14826055 >>14826050 Pride is the Weakness of Arrogance >Imbed first level axiomatic algebra of Pride into the equation: >Discern which of the algebraic pivots best fits The Truth of Humility is the Weakness of Arrogance

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 18:10:12 2022 No.14826065 >>14822553 you are functionally retarded and will die a virgin.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 18:12:08 2022 No.14826070 >>14823116 who the fuck cares about calculus you massive virgin

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 18:16:34 2022 No.14826081 >>14825863 math appeals to those who think in binaries and two dimensions. language is expression of nuance. something the autistic mind seems to struggle with; a glaring oversight in their self-professed "intelligence"

>>	Gwaihir Tue Sep 6 18:16:43 2022 No.14826082 >>14826070 Calculus is useful for exactitude but trig and algebra is good enough for core conceptualization and approximation

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 18:19:53 2022 No.14826087 >>14826081 concentration is not a bad thing. I'd rather be able to be both precise and ambiguous/richly layered, depending on my needs.

>>	Gwaihir Tue Sep 6 18:21:15 2022 No.14826092 >>14826082 As a note aside, perfect exactitude is impossible for man to realize in the real world. This is why God needed to come down here and do "perfect" for us.

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 19:01:14 2022 No.14826187

>>14825735
Wrong, this is just yet another engie retard looking down on other majors for choosing to study what they enjoy over basic sciences.
Study mathematical logic first and then come back, the foundation of mathematical arguments is language first and foremost, this is the only way to organize thoughts and reasoning.

>>	Gwaihir Tue Sep 6 19:17:29 2022 No.14826220 Why is it a prideful debate of false dichotomy. One can be both an excellent wordsmith and a mathemagician

>>	Gwaihir Tue Sep 6 19:19:45 2022 No.14826226 >>14826220 With my gate assessments in 3rd grade, I was assessed as a high school senior in language arts and a collegiate freshman in math. Be both.

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 19:23:38 2022 No.14826232

>>14823045
That doesn't ""prove"" anything. You come off as someone who took too many mushrooms and then "saw the light." I highly recommend you listen to people outside of your echo chamber. It is obvious you don't just by your posts.

Oh and also-- do us all a favor and take your fucking meds.

>>	Gwaihir Tue Sep 6 19:25:46 2022 No.14826241 >>14826232 Thank you. I'm sure with an encouraging and welcoming demeanor like that, you will make it far in life. Pray tell, are you obese?

>>	Gwaihir Tue Sep 6 19:41:34 2022 No.14826272 >>14826232 >Let's try a different approach. I'm a moron. Teach me, oh wise one, with your superior understanding of things and their inner workings.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 19:43:22 2022 No.14826274 >>14826232 You sound like a total drone.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 20:22:05 2022 No.14826339 >>14826274 He's not wrong tho.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 20:30:43 2022 No.14826357 >>14826339 If you shit out generic spam with zero intellectual content, you can't be "wrong".

>>	Gwaihir Tue Sep 6 21:05:04 2022 No.14826441 Those are just my dullardly haters. Back in school they would seethe and plot and try to shame and attack me outside of class, and then get beat up in front of their friends, because I was good at fighting too.

>>	https://archive dot ph/uy5Hc Tue Sep 6 21:18:12 2022 No.14826484 File: 431 KB, 500x525, 1659968790465602.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14822478 this.

Gwaihir Tue Sep 6 21:22:37 2022 No.14826498

So, I'm reading the "
Gödel alleges conspiracy" section on
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Characteristica_universalis
Leibinz's "Characteristica_Universalis wiki entry.

And I'm gonna dig into the source material including Godel's work but I believe we're on the epoch of actually re-discovering Leibinz's missing proofs and mechanical modelling with this axiomatic theory of everything model the Holy Spirit gifted me with, boys.

>The logician Kurt Gödel, on the other hand, believed that the characteristica universalis was feasible, and that its development would revolutionize mathematical practice (Dawson 1997). He noticed, however, that a detailed treatment of the characteristica was conspicuously absent from Leibniz's publications. It appears that Gödel assembled all of Leibniz's texts mentioning the characteristica, and convinced himself that some sort of systematic and conspiratorial censoring had taken place, a belief that became obsessional. Gödel may have failed to appreciate the magnitude of the task facing the editors of Leibniz's manuscripts, given that Leibniz left about 15,000 letters and 40,000 pages of other manuscripts. Even now, most of this huge Nachlass remains unpublished.

Anonymouse Tue Sep 6 21:22:44 2022 No.14826500

>>14825243
if there aren't patterns and if it's a construct then how are you using grammar? shouldn't others be able to pick up any nonsense you're able to come up with and spew it there aren't patterns, rules or objectivity since it's merely a construct?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 21:32:07 2022 No.14826526 >>14826500 He's wrong about there being "zero correlation", but the correlation is pretty weak given that even a 90 IQ moron can learn to talk like a reddit wordcel with practice.

Gwaihir Tue Sep 6 21:54:12 2022 No.14826584

Like Icarus, we fly too close to the Sun boys. The glowies are here to tell us to take our meds. We're not supposed to be rediscovering Leibinz' Characteristica Universalis.

They want this shit (knowledge)compartmentalized, pitted against each other, and drowning in its own incoherence.

>>	Gwaihir Tue Sep 6 22:02:01 2022 No.14826611 >>14826526 I think I've proven quite clearly that the correlation is incredibly strong. You're just retarded. >Fucking glownigger

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 22:05:02 2022 No.14826619

>>14822456
The fact that you aren't just good at one thing but that all your aptitudes correlate is what makes IQ so interesting and meaningful.
Obviously, if you want to hire programmers or scientists based on standardized testing, you might be better off to test math aptitude instead of IQ, it depends

Gwaihir Tue Sep 6 22:06:53 2022 No.14826628
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Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2 Timothy 2:15 KJV

https://bible.com/bible/1/2ti.2.15.KJV

>Right-ly dividing the Word: Truth

------------------(Nous)---------------
--------------(knowledge)----------------
Pride--------------\|/------Wisdom
Weakness-----Truth-------Strength
Shame------------/|\-------Humility
Luciferian<---(Christ)----->MiChaElian
-----------------(Ennoia)---------------

-------------------(cos*sin)------------------
Cosine--------------\|/--------Cosecant
Cotangent--Trigonometry----Tangent
Sin-------------------/|\--------Secant
-------------------(sin*cos)-----------------

When pride cometh, then cometh shame: But with the lowly is wisdom.
Proverbs 11:2 KJV

>Seethecope

>>	Gwaihir Tue Sep 6 22:15:18 2022 No.14826648 >>14826619 Those are all inferior "scientists" and "programmers" who don't even really deserve the title. They're glorified Saducees.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 22:24:27 2022 No.14826663 None of you have thought anything important in your life. So it doesn't matter what your opinion on thought is. And by all of you I really do mean every single person who has posted in this thread, I read all the posts.

Anonymous Tue Sep 6 22:28:57 2022 No.14826670

>>14826663
>Especially this post
Anyhow, Gwaihir and the few people interacting with him by adding to the discussion are the only thought provoking contributions to this discussion. Every other post is literally just arrogant blowhards trying to puff up their own ego.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 22:33:20 2022 No.14826676 >>14826670 Yep. Solid content. Don't care what the glow-brigade says.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 22:35:09 2022 No.14826682 >>14826676 Well. Truth isn't consensus, but in this case it looks like we have consensus too!

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 22:40:00 2022 No.14826692 File: 2 KB, 125x116, 1662348409341296s.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] An army of frogs!

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 22:42:53 2022 No.14826702 File: 1.02 MB, 1520x720, 1637270538893.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Put Rudy in!

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 22:50:36 2022 No.14826715 File: 1.23 MB, 500x281, 1662334001064859.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So many frogs just waiting for a spark.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 23:44:24 2022 No.14826845 >>14826611 >I think I've proven quite clearly that the correlation is incredibly strong. All you've proven is that wordcels are 105-110 IQ incels.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 23:46:35 2022 No.14826852 >>14826845 verbal and logical reasoning intelligence have the highest g loading of all mental skills

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 23:48:49 2022 No.14826859 >>14826852 Verbal reasoning =/= being a wordcel.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 23:51:42 2022 No.14826864 >>14826859 What's a wordcel?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 23:53:30 2022 No.14826870 >>14826864 People like the namefag ITT. Shitting out intellectual-sounding paragraphs of wank doesn't require a high IQ.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 6 23:56:47 2022 No.14826878 >>14826870 Oh, yea I agree

Anonymous Wed Sep 7 00:05:56 2022 No.14826905

>>14822877
The difference between 120 IQ and 140 is less than the difference in intellectually superior Gwaihir, and the smartest person opposing him, which is quite substantial. We have been watching the poster who goes by the name Gwaihir for quite some time, and most of the thread topics posted across /x/, and now /sci/ (since he started posted here) are specifically engendered to engage him. His take on a multitude of subjects which have eluded our greatest minds for quite some time is intriguing to say the least. Disregard this message, as you will, and carry on, children.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 7 00:07:42 2022 No.14826909 >>14826905 I don't believe you. If you're telling the truth, which poster am I based on my IP address?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 7 02:56:08 2022 No.14827220 This tripfag needs to go stat and wordcels on suicide watch

Anonymous Wed Sep 7 05:24:21 2022 No.14827448

Do you think you can estimate someones intelligence by how witty they are? Are people who are more eloquent, can be more snappy and funny in conversation more intelligent than people who can't?
Doesn't make much sense, since the whole quiet boring autist who is good at math is true, and they have a general IQ way above the average

>>	Gwaihir Wed Sep 7 06:41:19 2022 No.14827576 File: 319 KB, 680x680, 1662221951672980.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14827448 Nah not a chance. >Waves at the glowie fanclub>>14826905 Sneed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 7 07:15:37 2022 No.14827623 >>14827576 Cope, you have no real intelligence, you word vomit schizo shit to cover up your midwit status

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 7 10:11:37 2022 No.14828006 >>14822781 Rxe7 Nxe7, Qxd7 Kxd7, Bf5 Ke8, Bd7 Kf8, Bxe7#

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 7 10:14:39 2022 No.14828013 People on here are obsessed with IQ tests. I've never had any interest in it because I'm focused on solving real problems and being a productive member of society.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 7 12:31:13 2022 No.14828320 >>14827448 Yes, or at the very least they have more integrated knowledge. >>14825863 Algebracels stay losing. Language is more complex than math.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 7 12:45:38 2022 No.14828348 >>14822781 If it was blacks turn would he have a winning situation?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 7 13:49:22 2022 No.14828541 >>14828348 If it was black's move it would be checkmate.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 7 15:08:25 2022 No.14828797 >>14822553 Go to any engineering job application they ALL say you must have excellent verbal and written communication skills, theres a reason for this.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 8 03:08:15 2022 No.14830401 >>14825863 STEMcels got real quiet after this post dropped

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 8 03:17:33 2022 No.14830415 >>14826081 You've never done any real mathematics in your life

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 8 13:47:01 2022 No.14831482 >>14830401 because they have no answer

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 8 13:51:34 2022 No.14831497 >>14822456 the verbal component is actually more correlated with g than any other component in some studies. Why would you do away with a component like that?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 8 21:27:08 2022 No.14832735 >>14822553 Is this some sort meta-ironic practical jab at /sci/'s inability to detect hilariously weak bait?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 9 13:39:52 2022 No.14834317 >>14830401 >>14831482 It was already answered with the fact that language is equivalent to a Turing machine. The entire post is cope by ignorant retards. Language is not "more psychologically involved than algebra or logic"

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 9 13:44:35 2022 No.14834325 >>14834317 But it can be, the efficiency of interpretation and conveyance of meaning will correlate with G

Anonymous Fri Sep 9 15:10:25 2022 No.14834465
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>>14834317
You're overlooking the fact that language necessarily has a lot more factors than algebra involved in generating meaning, a lot more variables to juggle to communicate a thought precisely, and a lot of guesswork to navigate its innate ambiguity. That alone is going to make skilled use of language more "heavy duty", and thus more g correlated, than a similar skill level in algebra or logic.
>>14834325
Exactly this. If you want to test somebody's leg strength, would you want to see them do bodyweight squats or deadlift? Language is the latter in how much it requires of your brain. If mathematics is Chess, then language is Go.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 9 15:35:28 2022 No.14834502 >>14831497 What do you mean g? What the fuck is g?

Anonymous Fri Sep 9 15:43:15 2022 No.14834519
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>>14822553
Consciousness can't exist without language. Language—with the power of metaphor—is how people are even able to understand patterns and phenomena to the extent they do.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 9 15:44:33 2022 No.14834521 >>14822456 >Because as far as i am aware, the definition for IQ, is non verbal pattern recognition. You'd wish. Pattern recognition is one of the many skills relating to intelligence.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 9 15:46:43 2022 No.14834528 >>14834521 Well it’s the one that allows you to succeed in STEM so it’s only one that really matters

Anonymous Fri Sep 9 15:51:04 2022 No.14834535

>>14834521
People with superior verbal IQ and language ability have superior pattern recognition skills.
The point that OP and a few brainlets in this thread aren't understanding, as that you are not actually good at finding patterns or doing math if you struggle with language problems and have a low verbal IQ. They are the same thing. Mathematicians, philosophers, and physicists all have very high verbal IQ

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 9 15:54:26 2022 No.14834543 >>14834502 g is general intelligence. It's what the "intelligence quotient" is, the number g is a person's IQ. That anon is saying people with a high verbal intelligence have greater general intelligence and a higher IQ than any other set of people.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 9 16:09:45 2022 No.14834563 >>14834535 also I've read many, many times that scoring high on math for example would correlate strongly with scoring high on verbal. It's exceedingly rare that a person is high verbal IQ and low math IQ or vice versa

Anonymous Fri Sep 9 16:25:30 2022 No.14834585

>>14834563
Exactly, the only exceptions would be people with some form of mild dyslexia, who may score in the 99th percentile on things like geometric or quantitative reasoning and maybe in the 30th percentile on verbal, but these cases are rare. For people without such learning problems, being verbally intelligent is the same as being mathematically intelligent and vice-versa.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 9 17:19:59 2022 No.14834685 >>14834502 G or the G factor are short for "spearman's general factor of cognitive ability"

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 9 17:22:14 2022 No.14834691 Visual and verbal reasoning are somewhat distinct though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 9 17:23:29 2022 No.14834693 >>14834563 >>14834685 I find it pretty far fetched that language ability has anything to do whatsoever with spatial and logic ability, let alone that it would be an indicator of the score of the other.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 9 17:26:02 2022 No.14834697 File: 74 KB, 850x422, The-Cattel-Horn-Carroll-theory-of-intelligence.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14834693 look up the Cattel Horn Carroll theory of intelligence.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 9 19:50:01 2022 No.14834977 >as far as i am aware, the definition for IQ, is non verbal pattern recognition. T. Wordless

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 05:52:06 2022 No.14836030 >>14822456 Who's Trimp and why does he want to make amerireat

Anonymous Sat Sep 10 07:02:45 2022 No.14836070

>>14834535
That's fucking bullshit. There's too many things out there that cannot be described accurately solely by the means of words, and there's too many words that only describe trivially different aspects of qualities that bear little impact upon the actual constitution of a phenomenon.

Anonymous Sat Sep 10 09:17:55 2022 No.14836193

>>14822553
>It's what helps us build computers or fly to the moon.
>What does language give us?
It gives you the ability to build computers you fucking moron, all human knowledge is passed down using language without it you wouldn't be able to do shit. Why is this board so braindead? I can't believe questions like these are unironically asked here. Has it always been like this?

Anonymous Sat Sep 10 09:27:51 2022 No.14836206

>>14822806
When I play chess there's almost always my inner monologue talking but most of the thinking is done by spatial reasoning so I think the monologue is there just to organize the thoughts? Like, if you heard my inner monologue you wouldn't understand what move im going to make because it's like:
"Ok so if I, but then... yeah but still, if he.... yea then I'll just, ok but let's just hmmm... and then, yeah good".
The sentences are not finished with words but with some abstract/visual concept that I have for a move or position.

Anonymous Sat Sep 10 09:46:20 2022 No.14836227

>>14823660
>they're searching their knowledgebase for an optimal move given the current state of play
And why would they do this verbally? That sounds very inneficient, if anything it makes more sense for it to be complete opposite of what you say. They already have spatial memory of what positions look like they dont need to attach words to them and look for these words, they can just search these spatial memories and choose the right move. If there was a word salad they would be more likely to think verbally because they don't have a spatial knowledge base for that situation.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 09:53:57 2022 No.14836233 >>14825912 >Who is smarter The codemonkey because he is capable of solving harder problems and the manager can't do anything without him

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 10:01:52 2022 No.14836237 >>14834528 You need abstract thinking to succeed in STEM. Words are more abstract than shapes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 14:07:19 2022 No.14836505 I am willing to die on the hill that language ability has nothing to do with intelligence This thread is just more proof than you need

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 14:16:22 2022 No.14836525 >>14836070 No compare old archives for yourself >>/sci/ https://boards.fireden.net/sci

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 14:38:34 2022 No.14836567 >>14836505 You're wrong. Why are you so insistent on this? There are a huge amount of animal species that have greater spacial intelligence than humans. Are they smarter than humans?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 14:49:48 2022 No.14836591 >>14836567 He's not wrong. You're simply a retarded wordcel.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 15:01:07 2022 No.14836626 >>14836591 He is wrong and you are coping. If you have no verbal logical intelligence you are not smart. Cry about it. I have a degree in pure math btw.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 15:01:20 2022 No.14836627 >>14836591 you're a STEMcel

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 15:02:57 2022 No.14836629 >>14822456 Being illiterate can be a sign of poor pattern recognition, since pattern recognition and memorization tends to be a necessary prerequisite for literacy.

Anonymous Sat Sep 10 15:13:53 2022 No.14836665

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verbal_intelligence
>Verbal intelligence is the ability to understand and reason using concepts framed in words. More broadly, it is linked to problem solving, abstract reasoning,[1] and working memory. Verbal intelligence is one of the most g-loaded abilities.[2]

Anonymous Sat Sep 10 15:17:00 2022 No.14836672

>>14836626
>If you have no verbal logical intelligence you are not smart
"Verbal intelligence" is no different from any other g-loaded task, except for the part where you spend your entire life training it specifically, meaning it serves no function in an IQ test beyond helping midwit wordcels score higher than they should.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 15:18:10 2022 No.14836673 >>14836665 See >>14836672. Being g-loaded doesn't make it good for testing general intelligence.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 15:20:41 2022 No.14836682 >>14836672 >>14836673 Being g-loaded means people who score highly on verbal tests tend to score highly across all the categories of the test. You are wrong. Cry about it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 15:34:36 2022 No.14836727 >>14836682 That's nice. Now try actually reading and comprehending >>14836672. You're pretty fucking stupid even for a 4chan wordcel.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 15:36:21 2022 No.14836729 >>14836727 You don't even understand what verbal intelligence is. It is not knowing the definition of a lot of words.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 15:37:53 2022 No.14836737 >>14836729 Notice how you're forced to shit out generic, botlike seethe, but can't address the argument.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 15:38:51 2022 No.14836740 >>14836729 Ironically his inability to understand what verbal intelligence is suggests is IQ isn't very high.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 15:38:54 2022 No.14836741 >>14836737 You are not intelligent lmao I directly addressed your argument. You can't study for verbal intelligence you moron

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 15:40:59 2022 No.14836745 >>14836741 >You can't study for verbal intelligence Why not, cretin? You can train for any other g-loaded task but not this one?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 15:42:01 2022 No.14836751 >>14836745 >You can train for any other g-loaded task but not this one? Yup

Anonymous Sat Sep 10 15:42:14 2022 No.14836752

>>14836729
>not knowing the definition of a lot of words.
>>14836741
>You can't study for verbal intelligence
False. You can memorize sets of words by reading books and using tardcards on Anki. Anybody who doesn't suffer from Alzheimer's syndrome should be able to memorize 10k unique words per year.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 15:43:53 2022 No.14836758 >>14836751 Any evidence for this beyond for your profound mental illness? What's so special about wordcelism that it can't be improved with practice unlike literally every other kind of task on the test?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 15:44:42 2022 No.14836763 >>14836752 Verbal intelligence is not memorizing words. That's not what verbal intelligence is.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 15:45:29 2022 No.14836766 You guys arguing about verbal reasoning should really read this. >>14825842

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 15:48:20 2022 No.14836772 >>14836763 If you memorize a word, you'll know what it means, and you'll be able to recall it when you come across something fitting that word's definition. Why would memorizing sets of words not give you a huge verbal IQ points boost?

Anonymous Sat Sep 10 15:52:03 2022 No.14836777

>>14836772
Because that's not what a verbal intelligence test it.
Verbal intelligence is the shit of the form
>"if all bloops are bleeps and all bleeps are gloops, then...
>answer: All bloops are gloops.
>"if some slops are glops and all glops are crops, then
>answer: some slops are crops
It's that shit along with shit of the form
>"twig is to branch as finger is to..."
What's the answer?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 15:52:25 2022 No.14836778 This is how you use verbal intelligence. https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1662545991298459.webm

Anonymous Sat Sep 10 15:52:45 2022 No.14836780

>>14836766
None of the stuff mentioned there has to do with verbal intelligence. It's got to do with imagination, prospection, and the ability to link things together.
If you've ever read comics with no dialogue or watched movies with no dialogue, you should understand that it is possible to convey nested and interconnected ideas just by the means of visuals.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 15:53:12 2022 No.14836784 >>14836777 I like how you're engaging with your samefag strawposts in order to avoid addressing >>14836758

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 15:54:14 2022 No.14836787 >>14836784 You are the mentally ill incel. I'm not samefagging and I'm not interested in engaging with your incelism

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 15:55:43 2022 No.14836790 >>14836758 scale, see >>14834465 you need theory of mind to use language well. that might be something missing from verbal IQ tests, by the way. spergs frequently score high on verbal IQ but fuck up their language often in practice

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 15:56:29 2022 No.14836792 >>14836772 NTA but you may be putting the cart before the horse. That is, verbal intelligence may be the limiting factor on how many words you can learn, rather than the other way around.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 15:56:47 2022 No.14836797 >>14836780 Can you distinguish an 85 IQ person from a 115 IQ person from listening to them talk and debate? If you can't answer this question the debate is meaningless;

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:04:08 2022 No.14836813 >>14836790 Do you understand what empirical evidence is?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:06:11 2022 No.14836816 >>14836797 I can distinguish between a 140 IQ from a 115 IQ because the midwit always imagines highly intelligent people talk a certain way and tries to emulate it, when in reality only 115 IQs ever talk that way. lol

Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:07:35 2022 No.14836820

>>14836797
There might be a strong difference in terms of vocabulary between a person with an IQ of 70 and one with an IQ of 100, but a person with an IQ of 100 and one with an IQ of 130 will not have much of a noticeable difference in terms of their vocabulary. Instead, what they might differ on is their ability to draw conclusions from synthesizing ideas. A 100IQ person will opt for making a conclusion using the most "natural" or categorically proximate pair of ideas, using the most vivid and easily remembered features of them, whereas a 130IQ person should be able to draw a conclusion by taking a set of seemingly unrelated ideas and deducing how they might be indirectly or directly connected.

t. 100 IQ wordcel pseud

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:10:45 2022 No.14836827 >>14836813 Yeah, and the empirical evidence shows that verbal IQ is highly g correlated.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:17:21 2022 No.14836845 >>14836827 >IQ is highly g correlated. That doesn't mean it can't be trained like every other g-correlated task. Do you have any evidence to support your mentally ill claims? None? :^(

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:20:30 2022 No.14836856 >>14836845 No g correlated task can be trained. You can not increase your IQ by studying or training.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:22:40 2022 No.14836861 >>14836856 >You can not increase your IQ by studying or training. Do you have any research papers to prove this?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:24:36 2022 No.14836868 >>14836861 All research in IQ shows this

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:24:59 2022 No.14836869 >>14836845 Never said it couldn't be trained, only that it's harder to train verbal IQ compared to other tasks. The scale of possibilities is unlimited.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:26:35 2022 No.14836874 >>14836856 >No g correlated task can be trained. Thanks for confirming that you're a low IQ cretin.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:27:06 2022 No.14836875 >>14836869 It's not possible to train and have lasting increase on any intelligence task.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:28:32 2022 No.14836877 >>14836874 You can not increase your iq through training. Studying for IQ tests doesn't have lasting results, and a person's IQ remains pretty constant throughout their life.

Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:28:49 2022 No.14836879

>>14836869
>Never said it couldn't be trained
So you concede that it can be trained. What's your argument, then? "Intellectual"-wannabe midwits train it constantly. If you read philosophy or engage in debates, you are training it and you will get better at it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:29:54 2022 No.14836882 >>14836877 See >>14836874. I have zero interest discussing anything with someone on your abysmal level.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:31:24 2022 No.14836888 >>14836868 Can you link even a single paper published in a peer-reviewed journal that actually positively confirms this for all types of intelligence factors?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:31:44 2022 No.14836891 >>14836882 All evidence shows that it is not possible to increase a person's IQ

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:32:00 2022 No.14836892 >>14822456 discord.gg/2FTEjQVs

Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:32:39 2022 No.14836895

>>14836879
You're arguing against two different people. Recognize the difference please. I'm taking the middle route between both of you. But I do believe that verbal IQ has to be more difficult than the other categories because of the nature of language.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:32:46 2022 No.14836896 >>14836891 Are you gonna link us some evidence, or are you just gonna expect you to trust a claim that might as well have been pulled straight outta your ass?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:33:27 2022 No.14836899 >>14836888 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3950413/ This is just one. It is a standard that intelligence can not be increased. Honestly the fact that you don't know this is strange given your insistence in this thread

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:35:25 2022 No.14836903 >>14836899 >https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3950413/ Where's the stats? Where's the graphs? Where's the controlled experiment variables?

Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:35:27 2022 No.14836904

>>14836891
>All evidence shows that it is not possible to increase a person's IQ
You can increase your IQ score by simply practicing IQ tests, mouth-breathing moron. It won't increase your general intelligence, but it will incrase your IQ score because you will train at all of the given tasks. You're so painfully retarded it's not even funny.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:36:59 2022 No.14836906 >>14836903 In the referenced papers.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:38:16 2022 No.14836909 >>14836895 Show me a verbal intelligence problem from an IQ test that can't be easily solved by an "intellectual" midwit who spends his time reading philosophy and participating in debates.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:39:06 2022 No.14836911 >>14836904 You got blown out and now you again are seething. You're the same incel from that thread about high IQ and depression who was crying about the field of psychology as a whole. Did you delete all your posts or did the jannie do it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:39:57 2022 No.14836912 >>14836911 See >>14836904 You're a mouth-breathing mongoloid and this is boring.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:42:28 2022 No.14836915 >>14836912 You got disproved. You can't even consistently increase your IQ beyond about ~5 points and even then the results are not lasting. I'm smarter than you

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:43:58 2022 No.14836921 >>14836909 The person who reads and understands philosophy and is skilled in debate is born with the high intelligence that drives them to those interests.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:44:20 2022 No.14836922 >>14836915 You've already admitted that you're a mouth-breathing cretin. Not sure why you keep posting.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:45:09 2022 No.14836926 >>14836922 You've never shown that you're capable of saying anything intelligent.

Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:46:00 2022 No.14836927

>>14836921
>The person who reads and understands philosophy and is skilled in debate is born with the high intelligence
The vast majority of them are born with mediocre intelligence like yours. Show me a verbal intelligence task from an IQ test that's supposed to be nontrivial for someone with an IQ over 120. Aside from the easiest numerical and Raven matrix tasks, the verbal ones were the only ones I didn't have to reason about at all because the answers were immediately apparent.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:48:01 2022 No.14836937 >>14836927 If you are highly intelligent, you will have a high verbal intelligence and score well across the board. The way you write sounds like the pseud Chris Langan.

Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:48:45 2022 No.14836940

>>14836937
I did score well across the board, but the verbal questions were the only ones that required no reasoning. Show me a verbal intelligence task from an IQ test that's supposed to be nontrivial for someone with an IQ over 120. You will deflect again.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:50:31 2022 No.14836945 Wordcels on suicide watch

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:51:15 2022 No.14836947 >>14836940 >I did score well across the board Nope All evidence is on my side. I do not have to deflect or do anything. You are wrong and have no evidence on your side and no basis for your position.

Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:51:45 2022 No.14836950
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So, I double majored in English and Geology. I gotta say, this is absolutely everything wrong with how we teach children today.

Good luck trying to get funding for your research without knowing how to write. Good luck communicating your ideas to your peers without knowing how to write. Good luck trying to educate the public on why they need to adopt your scientific theories without knowing how to write. Good luck trying to write a textbook without knowing how to write.

Much less understanding the textbooks you read, the papers you study, the articles you read without knowing how they're communicating to you. How does the news manipulate you? What is being left unsaid in that article you read?

I find it absolutely riotously hilarious that idiots like you people spend years shitting on English majors then writing poorly understood research papers nobody understands then complaining why nobody's giving you money for your research.

Fun fact. Check out every member of congress or parliament every governor and legislator and magistrate in your country. Check out the CEOs of business around the world. How many of them are scientists?

The people you shit on in college are the ones who rule you. Keep playing those games morons!

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:52:16 2022 No.14836953 >>14836945 It has been shown several times that high verbal intelligence is the most g loaded task. You are not intelligent.

Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:52:49 2022 No.14836954

>>14836947
So you can't show me any nontrivial verbal reasoning question form an IQ test, you conecde that verbal IQ tasks are trainable and you concede that midwits train it constantly. I don't know why you keep posting. You've fully validated my position.

Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:54:06 2022 No.14836958

>>14836954
>So you can't show me any nontrivial verbal reasoning question form an IQ test
Don't have to
>you conecde that verbal IQ tasks are trainable
Never happened
>you concede that midwits train it constantly
Never happened.
You are hallucinating and are mentally ill

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:54:59 2022 No.14836961 File: 12 KB, 227x222, download (10).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14836945 >this is what spincels actually believe

Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:55:45 2022 No.14836965
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So according to this graph from this paper
The role of individual differences in cognitive training and transfer
Susanne M. Jaeggi, Martin Buschkuehl, Priti Shah & John Jonides (can't post link)
you can train visuospatial reasoning abilities, but you can't train verbal reasoning abilities.
Is it because people get a disproportionate amount of practice on verbal reasoning in everyday life, or is it because verbal reasoning abilities cannot be trained?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:58:40 2022 No.14836967 >>14836958 I accept your full concession. You will never be intelligent. You will always be a miserable and autistic nobody LARPing on /sci/. :^)

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:58:41 2022 No.14836968 >>14836965 Some people are just not capable of abstraction and higher cognition

Anonymous Sat Sep 10 16:59:42 2022 No.14836974

>>14836965
>Is it because people get a disproportionate amount of practice on verbal reasoning in everyday life, or is it because verbal reasoning abilities cannot be trained?
Almost certainly the former, since verbal reasoning abilities are trained routinely and it's absolutely plain to see.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 17:00:43 2022 No.14836976 >>14836967 >I accept your full concession. Never happened >You will never be intelligent. I already am intelligent >You will always be a miserable and autistic nobody LARPing on /sci/. :^) Thats you

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 17:01:17 2022 No.14836978 >>14836976 See >>14836967. Why do you keep posting? You've already conceded.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 17:01:45 2022 No.14836979 >>14836974 >since verbal reasoning abilities are trained routinely They are not

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 17:02:59 2022 No.14836981 >>14836978 You are the same schizo who posts npcjaks in AI threads You've already lost in life. I'm almost done with my Ph.D.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 17:03:53 2022 No.14836985 >>14836979 You're a midwit and you get outright rabid when someone refutes the indirect, superficial markers of "intelligence" you use to compensate for your lack of intellectual accomplishments.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 17:04:55 2022 No.14836989 >>14836981 >I dropped out of highschool because my verbal IQ was too high for my teachers Too bad. Thanks for the (You), though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 17:05:10 2022 No.14836990 >>14836981 >I'm almost done with my Ph.D. Gratz bro, keep after it!

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 17:05:55 2022 No.14836994 >>14836985 You are the one being rabid. I am calmly pointing out how intelligence works and posting evidence to explain why. >>14836989 You have a mental illness.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 17:06:55 2022 No.14836996 >>14836990 Thanks anon! About 2 years left.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 17:07:27 2022 No.14836999 >>14836994 You've already conceded all of my points. I don't know why you keep posting. Please refrain from further spam, even if you're desperate for my (You)s.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 17:09:25 2022 No.14837004 >>14836996 Great. After that you can enjoy spending 40 years as an academic advocating for the inclusion of more subalterns in scientific fields in need of deterritorialization.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 17:09:41 2022 No.14837005 File: 424 KB, 859x715, 7174001.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14836961 >Yes i got a perfect score on spatial ability, what gave it away?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 17:10:18 2022 No.14837008 >>14836999 You are mentally ill. Everyone sees it and I have no idea why you love displaying it across th board.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 17:11:37 2022 No.14837013 >>14837008 >unable to counter the arguments, effectively conceding on every count >boasts his fake phd >keeps making appeals to his imaginary reddit audience >can't stop addressing me Like clockwork. All seething midwits act the same.

Anonymous Sat Sep 10 17:14:55 2022 No.14837024

>>14837013
I and other anons posted papers backing my position and all you have is a lie that you scored well on an IQ test (you never did) and that you found the verbal section trivial, and then demanded that I give an explanation to disprove your lie.
You are mentally ill.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 17:14:58 2022 No.14837025 >>14822472 Anybody with "verbal IQ" higher than real IQ should be executed on the spot, those are nothing but scammers, parasites that shouldn't be allowed to live.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 17:17:00 2022 No.14837030 >>14837024 >uhh me and my buddies all agree that... >i have a phd, btw... >>>/r/eddit Still waiting for you to post any evidence that verbal reasoning can't be trained just like any other g-loaded task.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 17:17:46 2022 No.14837033 >>14837030 See >>14836965

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 17:18:25 2022 No.14837037 >>14837025 Based. Most of them are hooknoses and obnoxious pseuds.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 17:18:35 2022 No.14837039 >>14837025 Truth, verbal IQ is not IQ but rather a measurement of psychopathy

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 17:19:52 2022 No.14837044 >>14837033 That doesn't show verbal reasoning can't be trained. It shows verbal reasoning can't be trained using fucking N-back tasks and it's from a team of academic fraudsters shilling a demosntrably ineffective WM-training method.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 17:22:26 2022 No.14837053 >>14837044 It shows it can't be trained. Now you're moving the goalposts. Show that reading philosophy and debating increases verbal intelligence like you are claiming.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 17:23:39 2022 No.14837055 >>14837053 >it can't be trained using fake N-back WM training >therefore it can't be trained Now your imaginary reddit audience can see just what a retard you are.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 17:27:13 2022 No.14837065 >>14837055 You are mentally ill, you have not backed up a single claim of yours, and also you can't read.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 17:27:49 2022 No.14837067 >>14837065 >it can't be trained using fake N-back WM training >therefore it can't be trained If you're not a retard, why do you make this claim?

Anonymous Sat Sep 10 17:30:07 2022 No.14837073

>>14837067
Show it can be trained. There have been several papers showing that intelligence in general can not be increased, and that verbal intelligence can't be increased
You think an 85iq moron could read a lot of philosophy and get a 145 IQ?
You are mentally ill

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 17:32:04 2022 No.14837079 >>14837073 Why did you claim this random Jaeggi study you found shows verbal reasoning can't be trained? Why did you double down on it multiple times? You're not a mouth breathing retard, are you? :^)

Anonymous Sat Sep 10 17:34:01 2022 No.14837084

>>14837079
>Why did you claim this random Jaeggi study you found shows verbal reasoning can't be trained
It does show that it can't be trained
>"no because it could be trained in some other fashion, like reading philosophy and debating!"
Prove it, my mentally ill friend.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 17:37:29 2022 No.14837089 >>14837084 >It does show that it can't be trained Pfffff. You can die on that hill if you want to. You're going out of your way to be a demonstrable retard and I don't even have to do anything. lol

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 17:39:32 2022 No.14837093 >>14837089 You originally asked for evidence that intelligence can't be increased. Once several papers were posted showing this you went rabid. You are mentally ill

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 17:40:14 2022 No.14837095 >>14837093 >You originally asked for evidence that intelligence can't be increased. No, I didn't. LOL. Your desperation to backpedal your way out of this and save face somehow is really funny to watch.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 17:42:09 2022 No.14837101 >>14837095 See >>14836845 Then when several papers were posted showing you can't increase intelligence, you went rabid. You are mentally ill

Anonymous Sat Sep 10 17:44:23 2022 No.14837108

>>14837101
All I see is you going out of your mind and trying to save face after shitting the bed. I never said g can be increased. I said verbal reasoning can be trained like any other g-loaded task. e.g.:
>>14837030
>Still waiting for you to post any evidence that verbal reasoning can't be trained just like any other g-loaded task

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 17:46:27 2022 No.14837112 >>14837108 Verbally reasoning can not be trained nor can g. All evidence shows this. If you are claiming that any form of intelligence can be trained, provide evidence. You won't because it can't, and also you are mentally ill

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 17:47:56 2022 No.14837114 >>14837112 Why did you claim this random Jaeggi study you found shows verbal reasoning can't be trained when it clearly doesn't? Sounds like something an impulsive nigger ape would do. :^)

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 17:53:38 2022 No.14837126 >>14837114 It does. You are mentally ill

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 17:56:01 2022 No.14837133 >>14837126 >It does. Are you hoping your imaginary reddit audience can't read a simple graph to check what it says? Did you try reading it yourself? Here it is >>14836965

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 17:57:40 2022 No.14837140 >>14837133 Are you hoping that posting on 4channel all the time will cure you of your mental illness? It won't. You will remain a mentally ill midwit with no verbal intelligence

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 17:59:36 2022 No.14837143 >>14837140 See >>14837114 and >>14837133. In any case, I'm getting secondhand embarrassment from your obsessive desperation. I am now hiding this thread but you will address me again because you are a nigger ape with no impulse control.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 18:01:07 2022 No.14837144 >>14837143 You are mentally ill, and there is no obligation for me to not reply to you, or point out that you are not intelligent and that you are mentally ill.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 18:16:49 2022 No.14837177 So, can we finally all agree on that IQ can only be estiamted with non verbal pattern recognition like the MENSA test?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 18:19:09 2022 No.14837181 >>14837177 No.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 18:22:13 2022 No.14837187 >>14837177 You can probably use verbal reasoning to estimate IQ up to the midwit level.

Anonymous Sat Sep 10 18:23:21 2022 No.14837190

>>14837177
Mensa accepts verbal IQ scores
Arithmetic and working memory tests are part of verbal intelligence.
Rotating objects in your head is not indicative of being intelligent, unlike understanding logic, arithmetic, digit span pattern matching, having a high working memory, making abstract connections between abstract objects, etc. This is why verbal intelligence is the most g loaded of all

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 18:28:37 2022 No.14837204 >>14837187 Nope. High verbal is indicative of superior intelligence

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 18:29:23 2022 No.14837206 >>14837204 >t. superior midwit

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 18:30:13 2022 No.14837209 >>14837206 And you are the inferior midwit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 18:35:29 2022 No.14837227 >>14837209 Why are you getting mad? Verbal reasoning can be complex enough to filter midwits, but you can't really stuff complex verbal reasoning questions into an IQ test.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 18:37:54 2022 No.14837236 >>14822576 Are your calculations non-symbolic? Honestly, have you never thought about this before, or do you just drool all the time?

Anonymous Sat Sep 10 18:39:48 2022 No.14837242

>>14837181
The space rotator retards ITT think verbal intelligence is memorizing words lmao
>>14837227
All mathematical intelligence is abstract verbal intelligence. Algebraic reasoning, symbolic reasoning, arithmetic reasoning, logical reasoning, working memory, abstraction. All of it is verbal intelligence.
It will never be the case that engicuck CADmonkey autists are as smart as mathematicians and philosophers.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 18:42:28 2022 No.14837250 >>14837242 I don't really care about your headcanon. I'm just pointing out that the verbal reasoning questions in an IQ test are all simple.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 18:43:56 2022 No.14837254 >>14837250 And Raven progressive matrices are even simpler

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 18:46:27 2022 No.14837264 >>14837254 Why are you lying?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 18:46:53 2022 No.14837266 >>14837264 I'm not

Anonymous Sat Sep 10 19:01:48 2022 No.14837303

>>14837266
Anyone who's ever taken an IQ test will know that you're lying. Raven Matrices can be arbitrarily complex. The verbal questions on IQ tests are never longer than one or two sentences and the "abstract reasoning" aspect of them is almost always easy to circumvent by substituting with something concrete or by visualizing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 19:51:09 2022 No.14837426 >>14836820 That's a good shift in comparison between 2sigma differences, I wonder how this would apply to other tasks?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 20:06:42 2022 No.14837453 >>14837025 Ashkenazi Jews high IQ is actually mostly caused by their high verbal, their visuospatial is lower than average.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 20:07:06 2022 No.14837455 >>14837242 >space rotator retards Spincels, if you please. There's no need for ableism.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 20:11:16 2022 No.14837464 I think I got dumber over the past two-three years. It just felt like my ability to think isn't as clear.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 20:26:28 2022 No.14837487 >>14837464 *how would I compare myself now to my previous self, is there a reliable way perhaps compare the quality of my writing or any changes that might have appeared in it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 21:29:04 2022 No.14837607 Does anyone know if there is any literature or research about how the correlation of IQ and vocabulary happens or is mediated, and if so can you give me a link or names? please thank you

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 21:32:35 2022 No.14837612 >>14837607 If you can't find those papers yourself you probably can't understand anything they're saying either

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 21:38:00 2022 No.14837620 >>14837612 is there data on things like the number of books read by verbal iq? can you just tell me what it's called? i don't know of any papers about it other than maybe myopia. can you just tell me what it's called?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 10 21:39:01 2022 No.14837621 >>14837612 is there data on things like the number of books read by verbal iq? i don't know of any papers about it other than for myopia so can you just tell me what it's called?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 11 03:42:18 2022 No.14838210 >>14837607 >Does anyone know if there is any literature or research about how the correlation of IQ and vocabulary happens No, because it doesn't

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