How do you not feel infinitely mogged?

[Anonymous No.14808029]

They have IMO/IPhO gold medals, They're Putnam fellows. They are going to HYPS, they're publishing from year 1. They wouldn't have failed CAPTCHA 3 times trying to make this post. They learned ML/CS on the side and still know it 10x better than you who majored in it. Some have their notebooks online so you can see they got 10x the insights you did from the same class you got an "A+" in. There are hundreds of them. What the fuck is the point? So you can fill in the dots on the problems they thought were too easy/uninteresting for them, but you'll spend your whole career figuring out?

[Anonymous No.14808066]

Name 5 of them.

[Anonymous No.14808068]

>>14808029
Tao is the most overrated mathematician in a very long time
for all the hype about how smart or good he was he hasn't really achieved that much in his career relatively speaking, not a bad career but for someone supposedly as smart as he is there aren't many major results

[Anonymous No.14808069]

>>14808029
Yale is below UCLA in US News for Maths

You don't have to teach as much though

[Anonymous No.14808107]

>>14808029

Europeans are still the best at Math. Especially Universities.

[Anonymous No.14808171]

>>14808029
>Some have their notebooks online
Can you give some examples? I'm interested

[Anonymous No.14808174]

>>14808068
he "basically" proved the schwartz conjecture THOUGH

[Anonymous No.14808179]

>>14808029
Because intelligent people often suffer from a shitload of mental illnesses.

[Anonymous No.14808355]

>>14808068
Yeah, maybe if you're LARPing in your head as Carl Gauss, who himself was also that kind of prodigy. I've seen how hard "mere" bronze medalist mogged our whole number theory class.

>Yale is below UCLA in US News for Maths
Yeah, w/e. Just used common acronym. They go to Harvard, MIT, Caltech, Tsinghua, MIPT for undergrad/grad. Doesn't really matter where they end up working since thy are the prize at that point, not the department.

>>14808171
Basically google past IMO/IPho medalists from non-poorfag countries. You'll probably find their personal site or graduate/professor page where they often also have their notes. Examples: Zarathustra Brady, Kevin Zhou, many others.

>>14808179
Yeah, the mental illness is obsessing over math. These fuckers don't even need pussy. How can sub 160 IQ fags even compete.

[Anonymous No.14808938]

>>14808029
Doesn't bother me. I just learn what I can. I enjoy the pursuit even if I never discover anything great.

[Anonymous No.14808960]

>>14808068
>Tao is the most overrated mathematician in a very long time
This. A hundred years from now, people will remember Wiles and Perelman but be like "Terence Tao -- who's that?"
Tao obviously has a level of natural flair for math, but primarily he's the result of silver spooning, helicopter parenting, and the kind of years-long, book-crunching, inter-field obsession in which everyone with an IQ over 140 is going to find some kind of discovery -- just not necessarily at the level of Wiles or Perelman.

[Anonymous No.14808992]

>>14808029
By realizing there are people better than me and people worse and that regardless of that, time is a constraint we all must live by. Sure a highly intelligent, gifted mathematician could make the work I do trivial (it's already fairly trivial), but is that really a good use of their time and resources?

Unfortunately, you think in terms of greatness and not efficiency. Let me ask you this, if you had two workers, one who was mediocre at task A and dogshit at task B and one who was fantastic-next level at task A, but only okay at task B, how would you delegate responsibilities? I know how I would delegate it.

Also, if this makes you feel disillusioned with reaching greater heights, then that's just sad. You should look into the parents of many of these men. You'll find that they come from modest backgrounds and tend to build themselves up well. If their parents wallowed in the fact that they would never be great, do you think their children would have turned out the same? You're far too obsessed with yourself and not what comes after.

[Anonymous No.14809005]

>>14808029
I acknowledge hes my superior in math, and thats fine. I admire him

[Anonymous No.14809030]

>>14808992
Jesus bud, beautiful post

[Anonymous No.14809033]

>>14808992
>You should look into the parents of many of these men. You'll find that they come from modest backgrounds and tend to build themselves up well.
LOL NO

some of them are as you describe, but MANY of them have parents with advanced degrees, Tao's dad had a medical degree and his mom has a first class honours in math/physics

I was just reading about michael freedman (fields medalist), in an interview he basically says that his entire family was filled with geniuses and they used to laugh at his uncle for finishing high school at 17 instead of 16 like everyone else in the family

[Anonymous No.14809062]

>>14808029
>What the fuck is the point?
Because I enjoy it? No wonder this board is filled with IQ threads everyone here wants to be next Gauss but aren't even passionate about the subject. If you were, you wouldn't think about this stuff at all and just do it because that's what all the great mathematicians/artists do, they do it because they enjoy doing it not because they expect to change the world.

[Victor Isai Mazariegos, Ph.D, J.D. No.14809113]

Terrence Tao is kind of overrated. Why does he mumble so much? Grisha? You there bro?

[Anonymous No.14809156]

>>14808992
It's not about greatness. It's more like, if I'm a relative midwit in the work world, I get something proportional to my talents back. Average quant is smarter than the average senior SE, but the latter still gets a nice payday and both do equally meaningless work in the big picture.

This feels much less fair. As if, it doesn't matter at all if I go into a career doing this or not. If I want to scratch the hard sciences/math itch, I'd be better off just working a normal job that's less risky and doesn't impoverish me for at least 4-6 years and doing the challenge proofs/exercises in textbooks as a hobby. Same scale of contribution, which is to say trivial relative to the giants, but fucks with your head less because at least you're getting paid.

[Anonymous No.14809167]

>>14808029
>IMO/IPhO gold medals
Pointless
>Putnam fellows
Meaningless
>They learned ML/CS on the side and still know it 10x better than you who majored in it.
Useless

Is there a point you're trying to make? It's futile being an academic unless you're in the 1% of useful ones who will contribute something of note to humanity. Even Tao, a god in your eyes I would assume, has a record of pretty much being the guy who's subservient to other mathematicians. He has no major novel discoveries to his name, he's the equivalent of a mathematical whore working for fame and to justify the image.

[Anonymous No.14809169]

>>14808029
I make more money than them

[Victor Isai Mazariegos, Ph.D, J.D. No.14809192]

Pharisees and Satanists and Satan are trying to get in the way of our "work." Charles Chocotan from Texas and Rice don't take your own life. TSOL! The Epileptics! Ground Zero!

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[Anonymous No.14809240]

Feeling mogged and feeling like others are better than you? Good. Be worthless. Do it intentionally. That is how you gain freedom and power.

DON'T COMPARE YOURSELF TO OTHERS. COMPARE YOURSELF TO YOURSELF.

Feeling like your research will never amount to anything? Expect that it wont. Then whether it ever amounts to anything you won't care and you'll be glad you did it anyway. Be shit at math and still continue to do it anyway. Why? Because FUCK ever producing any results. FUCK being well known and famous.

YOU HAVE TO BE AT THE POINT WHERE YOU DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHETHER YOUR RESEARCH AND YOUR STUDIES IN MATH EVER SUCCEED.
EXPECT THE PROBABILITY OF YOUR SUCCESS IS 0.0000000000000001%. EMBRACE IT. REVEL IN IT. SWIM IN YOUR FAILURE, AND YET CONTINUE TO PUSH ON AND KEEP GOING.

This is the secret. Nobody else, NOT ONE MATHEMATICIAN ALIVE TODAY wants to explore the extraordinarily negatively curved areas of their mind. There are certain mind-computations -- certain paths in divine topology of mind-space -- that can only be explored by a person who has lost all hope of achieving success, being famous, being better than others, or any of that bullshit.

You have to do it because you love it.

I am not a fucking mathematician. Don't be a mathematician. It's something else.
Something in between the feelings of bliss and pure agony.

[Anonymous No.14809251]

>>14809240
If you wish to be like me, i'll let you know how it feels if you adopt my attitude and embark on the adventure:

It feelings like dancing on the edge of a dull-less knife.
Somewhere in between perfect order and perfect chaos.
As if correlation = 100% and 0% at the same time.
At the critical point between hot and cold.


Few men throughout history have ever found that sweet spot, that beautiful euphoric state of mind where you can see it all working at once, how it's all connected, and how it's all disconnected.

Somewhere in between the feelings of bliss and pure agony.

[Anonymous No.14809828]

Becasuse I love math and physics

t phd physics student

[Anonymous No.14809841]

>>14808029
I don’t have a superiority complex like most of the posters here so I’m perfectly fine

[Anonymous No.14810006]

>>14808068
>literal Fields Medalist
if there was a Fields Medal for diminishing other people's achievements you'd probably get it

[Anonymous No.14810016]

>>14808355
>You'll probably find their personal site or graduate/professor page where they often also have their notes. Examples: Zarathustra Brady, Kevin Zhou, many others.
>it's all .pdfs
damn what happened to hand written notebooks. Do these people really think in front of a computer screen?

[Anonymous No.14810114]

>>14808029
Tao has definitely had an impressive career, but I think his upbringing and IMO has made him too interdisciplinary. He has the breadth but not the depth. This is really apparent when the most celebrated mathematician of our time gets completely mogged in number theory by a 40 year old economist.

[Anonymous No.14810119]

>>14808029
>successful person is successful
What am I supposed to feel sad about exactly?

[Anonymous No.14810130]

>>14808029
I can deadlift 400 lbs

[Anonymous No.14810145]

>>14810130
Some people can lift almost triple that though

[Anonymous No.14810159]

>>14810145
Don't care. You can't demoralize me by saying "some people are smarter than you! Also some people are stronger than you!!!" Because no one is me. No one. I am me. I am the only me. There is only one me. If you produce an identical copy of me will all the same memories and circumstances as me it will still not be me, because it can't.

[Anonymous No.14810251]

>>14810159
Then there's no reason for you to mention that you can outlift Tao in the first place

[Anonymous No.14810280]

>>14810251
Yes there is. Look at his scrawny ass fuckin arms.

[Anonymous No.14810295]

>>14808029
I'm more intelligent than accomplishmentfags. Only midwits feel mogged by them.

[Anonymous No.14810322]

>>14808029
Easy. I'll never be dumb enough to think that one could "mathematically prove" that Hillary Clinton was the most qualified candidate in 2016. If anything, her previous experience in fucking up the Middle East was a disqualification for office. That's just retard-tier reasoning, and it makes me wonder if mathematicians are completely out of touch with reality to the point where even their own craft is probably inapplicable nonsense, a twist on the old thieves' cant. Maybe Wildberger is right.

[Anonymous No.14811535]

>>14810322
Cope. He has a fields medal. You voted for a cheeto.

[Anonymous No.14811569]

>>14808029
Who is "they"?
Olympiad medalists?
Top mathematicians in general?
I don't follow you at all.
Why would I feel mogged by people who have nothing to do with me.
I am concerned with my own problems and aspirations. I didn't major in CS.
I don't see others' success as some form of attack on me.
You're some kind of faggot. You want to be something you're not, you need to start trying.
There's no reason to feel mogged ever.

[Anonymous No.14811577]

>>14811535
I didn't vote because the choices were abysmal. I'm just saying I'll never embarrass myself like that by thinking that autistic puzzle games somehow enables a person to make good political choices.