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14793744 No.14793744 [Reply] [Original]

How much money do journals make from paywalls?

>> No.14795404
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14795404

>>14793744
They literally gatekeep us with the research they do with public money.
Not out of some top-secret-confidential reason.
Just because fuck you.

>> No.14795602

>>14793744
A blillion dollaroonis

>> No.14796228

>>14793744
$0, thanks to libgen, et al.

>> No.14796370

>>14796228
>sci-hub

>> No.14796463

>>14793744
Probably not as much as they think.

The indirect costs of paywalls are ridiculously ignored. Most people want things they can easily access and compare products with. But nowadays we have the inverse, with products being portrayed to the public in an artificially esoteric manner, while the data on the general public is becoming more and more transparent (to their detriment).

All this is doing is driving less demand for products most people considered integral in their lives. Some people now live without reading or knowing anything on the news or on the internet now. Is this what these journos want? I don't think so.
So why are they still doing this?

Nowadays it seems like heavy internet users like us are the only users of their products more and more.
That and ceos.

But that's just driving ignorance and already it's affecting our products globally in a negative way.
And on top of this, it's appallingly lacking in economical benefits to the people doing it too. So it's clearly organised as standard now or just merely pushed by the blind.

>> No.14796469

>>14795404
Yeah it's becoming obvious that they're no longer private enterprise. They're entwined deeply with public infrastructure now.
So they're becoming a part of what I like to term the "administrative class" of society.

This is why I think we're having more and more "job surpluses" that are not being filled. The job market is increasingly being antagonistic to those outside of this administrative class.
It's beyond money or marxism too. It's just a pure abomination.

>> No.14796473

>The earnings of the American Chemical Society (ACS), for example, is based, in large parts, on publications. In 1999, the income of the ACS was $349 million, where $250 million came from information services
Thankfully based Biden put a stop to the serials crisis
>On August 25, 2022 OSPT under Biden's administration issued guidance to make all federally funded research in the USA freely available without delay,[6] [7] thus ending over 50 years of Serials crisis.

>> No.14796482

>>14796463
Privatization makes society poorer
Fuck capitalism

>> No.14796483

>>14795404
>the research they do
Publishers don't even do or fund the research. They have scientists PAY THEM to publish THEIR research, then lock it behind a paywall.

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>>14796463
>Probably not as much as they think.
It's not about the money.
It's about Gatekeeping and controlling what is/isn't ""allowed"" to be Published as (((Science))).
It's just Sociopaths being Sociopaths.

>> No.14800232

>>14793744
They should be fucking free