If the universe is infinite in size

[Anonymous No.14789492]

Then it might aswell be eternal in age, Big Bang enthusiasts are already seething over JWST giving us the first clues of that

[Anonymous No.14789518]

>>14789492
Can't find shit about that pic anywhere online, seems like bs to me

[Anonymous No.14789529]

>>14789518
It's an obscure pic ig

[Anonymous No.14789559]

>>14789492
Migt as well yeah, but what is an infinite cardinal?

[Anonymous No.14789585]

>>14789529
Pic sure, but the fucking concept in itself is obscure? Yeah nah I call bullshit

[Anonymous No.14789654]

>>14789492
Well yeah, physicalism implies eternalism.

[Anonymous No.14789664]

>>14789585
It's schizobable concept so yes, it's obscure.

[Anonymous No.14789835]

>>14789492
the big bang theory is of the most retarded theories ever propagated. Even worse, it is taught as fact. The name "big bang" was literally coined to make fun of the theory.

The JWT is just more proof that the big bang is wrong, but NPCs do not know how to purge propaganda from their minds

[Anonymous No.14790002]

Studies of the universe rely on measurements of the universe. On the observable universe. JWST hasn't changed anything. But any speculation of what may or may not exist outside it in either space or time is questions of philosophy, not science.

Real scientists don't waste time making wild guesses about what might be but is not provable/disprovable and cannot be tested. That's what religion is for.

[Anonymous No.14790006]

>>14789835
Someone who gets it, atleast
Turns out /sci/ isn't as hopeless as it seems

[Anonymous No.14790492]

>>14789835
>stuff is moving away from eachother
>that means at some point it was close to eachother
>oldest/farthest stuff we can see is weird high-energy stuff

>therefore, big bang
spoonfeed me why this is retarded

[Anonymous No.14790623]

>>14789835
It's not retarded. Every virtual reality begins with an influx of information. The booting up of space and time and this is exactly what the evidence shows with regard to this universe.
>>14789492
It's not infinite in size. It's not eternal either. An actual infinite number of events would have to have passed to get to this point, yet ever dalta t another event is adding. You can't have a an eternal past in a system constrained by temporality.

[Anonymous No.14790632]

Isn't the second law of thermodynamics alone enough to prove the big bang?

[Anonymous No.14792680]

>>14789492
Da fuck is picrel?

[Anonymous No.14792976]

>>14790632
Obviously a steady state universe just needs some form of dark anti-entropy force. /s

[Anonymous No.14793601]

>>14790492
>stuff is moving away from eachother
It didn't, you and all you endless blind retards can't distinguish between measurement and interpretation. Holy fuck why are you all so endless retarded beyond any hope to grasp the most simple things of simple things such as geometry. You have to ignore even simple facts to hold this total stupid theory which and being below to grasp of a toddler.

[Anonymous No.14793606]

>>14793601
how else do you explain that the farther a star/galaxy is, the more its spectrum is shifted to be longer?

[Anonymous No.14793684]

>>14793601
Please explain what "stupid facts" are in the big bang theory anon, I'm in the mood for a laugh

[Anonymous No.14793733]

>>14789492

>universe is eternal in age
>life and technology is given an infinite amount of time going backwards to form and evolve
>life and technology is given an infinite amount of time to spread life and technology through the cosmos
>no space mega structures
>no ruins of ancient alien civilizations/crashed ships on planets
>only have earth

lmao
seethe and dilate star trek retards

[Anonymous No.14793752]

>>14789492
We don't know whether or not it's infinite. It could very well be very large but still curved in a way that would not be observable or measurable from our light cone.
Besides that, there is nothing stopping the universe from spontanously being created and expanding to infinite size.

[Anonymous No.14793773]

>>14790632
In theory all matter and energy could spontanously tunnel to one single point and restart the cycle. Dark energy makes that impossible though as the likelihood of tunnelling that far decreases too fast.

[Anonymous No.14793801]

>>14793733
Universe is infinitely large. The distance to the nearest civilization or monument is then infinitely close to infinite distance, but not quite.
There are also an infinite number of civilization mega-clusters that are beyond our observation.

[Anonymous No.14793826]

>>14793801
>The distance to the nearest civilization or monument is then infinitely close to infinite distance

why ?

is there a filter that says life cannot evolve unless it's light years away from another ?

[Anonymous No.14793862]

>>14793606
either redshifting is wrong, universal expansion is wrong, or the big bang is wrong.

[Anonymous No.14793865]

>>14793826
if the universe is infinite then somewhere there is a solar system with two planets that both developed sapient life independently, but good luck finding it.

[Anonymous No.14793882]

>>14789492
No, it's a wrap around Pac-Man universe.

[Anonymous No.14793898]

>>14793865
>somewhere out there are billions of civilizations that have developed radio waves and started sending them out into space in the long past
>we haven't picked up a single one

nah I'm thinking aliens aren't there

[Anonymous No.14793901]

>>14793862
why are you assuming the expansion can be reversed to a point when we already know it's second derivative is nonzero?

[Anonymous No.14793910]

>>14793898
We're in a zoo for low intelligence planets or the rest of the universe was colonized already by a type 3 civilization that cloaks its assets from the uncontacted hick parts of the universe.

[Anonymous No.14793921]

>>14793901
wrong person fucko

[Anonymous No.14793946]

>>14793898
assuming higher civs even bother measuring radio waves, everything outside of this circle does not know we exist. any civilization on the other side of the galaxy would have to have sent radio waves 100,000 years ago for us to even pick them up. electromagnetism is literally useless for interstellar communication.

if spacefaring civs exist, they are using a superior communication method that sends information faster than light, as this is the only way to make such a thing viable. we obviously wouldn't know how to detect it, which would make us comparable to people 300 years ago who were completely incapable of intercepting or even recognizing modern communication methods like radio waves and electricity.

[Anonymous No.14793990]

>>14793946
>everything outside of this circle does not know we exist.
There's two billion years of our planet signalling out the fact that its atmosphere has significant and unnatural amounts of oxygen in it, which is a telltale sign of life. That means everyone in a two billion lightyear radius around us knows about us.
>electromagnetism is literally useless for interstellar communication.
FTL doesn't exist and never will exist.

[Anonymous No.14793991]

>>14793946
hence the term "long past"

[Anonymous No.14793995]

>>14793946

>would have to have sent radio waves 100,000 years ago

hence the term "long past"

[Anonymous No.14794170]

>>14789492
Boundless, but not infinite. Size of it is finite, but grows constantly i boundless "empty" space.

[Anonymous No.14794527]

>>14794170
Big Bang is a myth and so is the expansion myth

[Anonymous No.14795911]

>>14794527
Yes

[Anonymous No.14796647]

>>14789492
This is an accurate model, wherever you found it from

[Anonymous No.14796673]

>>14789835
There was no better theory for years.

[Anonymous No.14796676]

>>14789492
>Then it might aswell be eternal in age
obviously
I've been speaking about it for ages
you're welcome

[Anonymous No.14796701]

>>14789492
Truth is, there probably was a big bang but it didn't happen on it's own, the beings that made this planet caused it to happen.

[Anonymous No.14796710]

>>14789835
>The name "big bang" was literally coined to make fun of the theory
schrodinger's cat was a thought experiment to show the absurdity of the copenhagen interpretation
the twin paradox was a reductio ad absurdum of special relativity
soientists just went "lol k whatev that's just philosophy" and now unironically believe the absurd

but absolute space and time in an objective reality are too absurd to believe, of course, and must not be considered

[Anonymous No.14796800]

>>14796701
>probably
not
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyqKy5P1Y0Q

[Anonymous No.14796983]

>>14793773
The problem with quantum fluctuation theories is that it is unfathomably more probable for a fluctuation to create a single isolated hallucinating monkey brain than it is for such a fluctuation to create an entire universe.
For a quantum fluctuation theory to be viable, it must have some plausible mechanism to prohibit Boltzmann brains from being more probable than the universe.

[Anonymous No.14797072]

>>14790492
if you accept dark energy or anything like it then there's no need for a big bang 14 billion years ago
just because there's a background of microwave radiation (which ALL galaxies emit) doesn't mean it's left over from the big bang
just because we can't see infinitely far doesn't mean that's also the border of space itself
just because we estimate we can resolve objects to 13.5 billion years old doesn't mean those are the oldest objects in the universe

[Anonymous No.14797136]

>>14789835

[Anonymous No.14798150]

>>14797136
At least he's not a catholic priest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebqAH5mLZNk

[Anonymous No.14798261]

>>14789492
>Then it might aswell be eternal in age
This is meaningless outside of theology. No time before the big bang and infinite time before the big bang might as well mean the same thing

[Anonymous No.14798270]

>>14789492
>>14789835
The Big Bang is a theory, do you know what 'theory' means ?

> A coherent group of propositions formulated to explain a group of facts or phenomena in the natural world, and repeatedly confirmed through experiment or observation.

4chan retards can call it a myth all they want, it doesn't change anything. The Big Bang is far from disproven.

[Anonymous No.14798275]

>>14798270
Cyclical universe is also a valid theory. We have two valid theories with evidence supporting them but those two theories contradict each other. Why should i accept one over the other?

[Anonymous No.14798307]

>>14793898
I opened this board by misclick but when I saw this thread I wanted to get in here and call everyone retarded because we are clearly the only somewhat smart species around here, even if I'm tempted to call humans stupid regardless of what they invented

[Anonymous No.14798313]

>>14798150
When did Stephen Hawking get married to the pope????

[Anonymous No.14798367]

>>14789492
What's with the obsession you niggers have with painting the thing as red?

[Anonymous No.14798794]

>>14798150
>Hawking trying to get laid

[frenanon No.14799320]

>>14790623
>An actual infinite number of events would have to have passed to get to this point
That is 100% false.

>>14798270
>The Big Bang is far from disproven.
Modern Physics is actually observably bullshit, but (((they))) infiltrated Academia/Publishers/Media, so good luck trying to reason with someone who is intentionally arguing in bad faith.

[Anonymous No.14799767]

>>14789492
its a fractal of multiverses inside an infinite god

[Anonymous No.14803133]

>>14789492
It's ultra-colossal in size

[Anonymous No.14803338]

I KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT THE WHOLE UNIVERSE, I KNOW THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE FROM THE VERY START AND I CAN PREDICT IT'S FUTURE TOO.

[Anonymous No.14803788]

>>14789518
The name name Billy Meier is mentioned in the last sentence of the pic.

[Anonymous No.14803931]

>>14803788
stopped reading here

[Anonymous No.14803933]

>>14803338
>predict it is future
retard

[Anonymous No.14805816]

>>14793684
https://www.space.com/25126-big-bang-theory.html
We still don’t know how all the matter in the universe formed from a “small ball” of energy. When we have things like Neutron stars and black holes, it doesn’t really make sense that the universe started out that way.
But none of the other “theories” explain it any better.

[Anonymous No.14805827]

>>14793882
If that was true we’d see the same galaxies from different viewing areas. Instead, we see different galaxies all around the planet and also at the north and south poles.

If you traveled in a straight line from earth from different points, you’d never make it back again.

[Anonymous No.14805877]

>>14793990
>That means everyone in a two billion lightyear radius around us knows about us.
By that logic we should be aware of every earth-like planet with significant amounts of oxygen given the proper tech. Considering we aren't even .01% of the way there, it may very well be that there are 7 billion planets with telltale oxygen sigs in a two-billion year light cone. We wouldn't be very special at all. You're basically using the fact you have no palm trees in your yard to rule-out the existence of coconuts.

>>14796983
>muh boltzmann brains
Its the same problem with the simulation argument and assuming the simulators are using the physics of the simulation.

If I am a mind formed as a boltzmann brain, I have also formed the laws of physics that allow for the existence of boltzmann brains. Does that seem terribly likely, or recursive to the point of absurdity?