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What are some scientific questions that are in principle testable but which we can't actually test for ethical reasons?

>> No.14775818

Most recent example I saw the other day was not being able to use people with a known vitamin B12 deficiency in randomized controlled trials.

https://openneurologyjournal.com/VOLUME/7/PAGE/44/

> Patients with B12 deficiency (level below190 pg/ml) were not enrolled due to ethical reasons (patients with established B12 deficiency must be treated and not subjected to randomization).

This has also affected some research I've seen concerning the vitamin B12, vitamin B6, and folate cluster.

>> No.14776001
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14776001

>Racial genetics and [anything]
>based on those who control [ethics]

>> No.14776010

Whether the tears of a freshly raped toddler can cure cancer.

>> No.14776019

>>14776010
i will do it.... for science.....

>> No.14776521

>>14775818
That happens all the time with research in that sort of field, they just use rats induced with these sorts of deficiencies instead.

>> No.14776527

>>14775757
You can test basically anything that sounds immoral because of animal test subjects. Technically it won't be exactly the same as if you tested with human subjects but in most cases you can get 99.99% of the way there.

>> No.14776592

>>14776527
Is there anything that an ethics board wouldn't approve even with animals? Don't they have some standards even with those? For that matter what about experiments that only work with humans because they require the subjects to have intelligence or language?

>> No.14776667

>>14775757
Socialism.

>> No.14776670

>>14776667
Explain.

>> No.14776674

>>14776670
Last time they tried to test it, millions died.

>> No.14777262

12000rpm

>> No.14777266

>>14775818
Isn't that true for basically all conditions that should be treated? I couldn't imagine you'd get a control group for a known treatable cancer and a new therapeutic approach.

>> No.14777300

For ethical reasons, all issues related to human development are off the table.

Genetic modification, in-utero manipulation, young childhood environmental factors, etc. They can't be tested because the subject cannot consent, and even if it could the subject would almost certainly experience adverse effects and negative outcomes. Children are the most at-risk of at-risk populations.

Some of what we know comes from monsters who have crossed the line. Feral children, childhood phobias, acquired genetic immunity to diseases, among other things. Other laboratories specialize in tests on human embryos that are later destroyed. The rest is very carefully constructed studies of people with circumstances that fall into the area of research.

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>>14775757
How much DNA chimpanzee and "humans" share.
Almost everything related (except health related) to phenotypic differences within the Homo sapiens:
* skin color
* hair distribution
* other physical attributes
etc. It's ridiculous how sensitive nirmies are about such topics. Even the health related differences are not known by the general population. The result is a mislead flock of dumb sheep ready to go militant against the truth sayers when it is no longer possible to keep the truth covered.
This is among the most pressing issues of today with the UN giving up on preventing mass-migration and embracing the opportunity of monetary gains.

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>>14777300
>the subject cannot consent
*hava nagila playing from a distance*

>> No.14777385

>>14776674
>it's not socialism until more than 17 millions die
All totalitarian systems under limited resources are bad and not just LE nazism or LE communism. Leave the pound already.

>> No.14777909

>>14776527
How about the question if intelligence can develop without society?

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>>14775757
Like "Do other humans actually feel pain or are they just singing?"

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sus thread

>> No.14777979

>>14775757
having each neuron and synapse replaced one by one by a digital one while subject is conscious, and then recording his experiences
one hypothesis is the person would slowly feel like he's taken over by a philosophical zombie who answers everything is okay and he's doing just fine, yet the conscious person is helpess as he watches the puppet answer everything for him

>> No.14778158

>>14777266
Wasn't that a big part of the controversy over AIDS research with activists insisting that if you want to test a new treatment the control group should receive the previous best known treatment and not a placebo?

>> No.14778161

>>14777979
>having each neuron and synapse replaced one by one by a digital one while subject is conscious, and then recording his experiences
I think there are more than ethical obstacles preventing us from doing that currently.

>> No.14778173

>>14777373
can you give me the reflectance and absorpance values for this material so I can add it to my PBR spreadsheet?

>> No.14779074

>>14775757
Whether you can get troons to stop believing they're the opposite sex.

>> No.14780283

>>14775757
Whether giving troons hormones which correspond to their sex with or without other drugs and/or therapy would disabuse them of their delusions and adjust them to reality.