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Do smooth muscles disprove free will?

>> No.14767251

smooth brains are the reason the concept of free will is still around
>but I simply FEEL I have free will!

>> No.14767253

>>14767251
shh don't rile up the christians

>> No.14767260

the universe does not evolve deterministically.

>> No.14767268

>>14767240
you mean epithelial tissue? :^)

>> No.14767272

>determinism

debonked

>> No.14767275

>>14767260
>the universe does not [buzzword] [headcanon]

>> No.14767282

>>14767260
cope

>> No.14767285

>>14767275
>>14767282
the next state of the universe is not defined by a mathematical transformation on the previous state
there does not exist a grand equation

>> No.14767293

>>14767285
so what causes the deviation from the grand equation? let me guess
>god (cringe)
>something something quantum physics (giga cringe)

>> No.14767303

>>14767285
just because soiencecucks are too retarded to come up with the "grand equation" doesn't mean everything is le random

>> No.14767311
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>>14767303
its 50 50 either it does or it doesn't.

>> No.14767316

>>14767293
most equations are right the issue is the demiurge interferes constantly our reality

>> No.14767317

>>14767293
neither of those are cringe but they are also not the answer.
the answer is that there is no grand equation in the first place for things to deviate from. there exists an element of randomness in everything and the pseudo determinism that you think you are recording is just these random elements in the aggregate.
also stop hating god, it isnt cool to be le fedora incel anymore

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>>14767293
>ummm sweaty, you can't explain what causes reality to empirically deviate from my religious fantasies

>> No.14767324

>>14767316
there is no demiurge there is just geometry. no math no language, just geometry.

>> No.14767328

>>14767320
nothing empirically deviates from determinism you fucking retard

>> No.14767330

>>14767316
>>14767324
math and languages are tools to understand geometry.

>> No.14767334

>>14767328
Everything does all the time. You just cope by appealing to unfalsifiable measurement errors.

>> No.14767340

>>14767334
name 5 things

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>>14767324
i see fren

>> No.14767347

>>14767317
where does the randomness come from

>> No.14767358

>>14767340
Take your meds.

>> No.14767361

>>14767358
I accept your concession

>> No.14767363

>>14767361
I accept your lack of highschool education. Your posts are truly embarrassing.

>> No.14767365

>>14767363
by replying to me you demonstrate determinism

>> No.14767376

>>14767365
Call me back when you finish middle school and learn what a margin of error is, tard. You will prove yourself to be subhuman by addressing me again. :^)

>> No.14767388

>>14767376
you will never have free will, soiencecuck

>> No.14767397

>>14767376
>the universe isnt deterministic because we cant measure infinitely well
THAT was your big point? holy fuck. what if I told you the universe can be deterministic without necessarily being predictable in practice by actual measurements and calculations?

>> No.14767407

>>14767397
See >>14767334. For all intents and purposes, these "measurement errors" are treated as randomness in mathematical models and they look the same empirically. Determinism is dogma.

>> No.14767420

>>14767407
you still haven't named 5 things that defy determinism

>> No.14767433

>>14767420
See >>14767376

>> No.14767448

>>14767433
I'll even give you 1 free
le heckin epic double sliterino

>> No.14767458

>>14767448
See >>14767376. You're a subhuman imbecile. Any measurement proves you wrong. Take any random 5 you want.

>> No.14767460

>>14767458
do apples contradict determinism?

>> No.14767477

>>14767460
They do if you're not careful enough to hide behind margins of error modeled as randomness.

>> No.14767491

>>14767477
apples are random
the soience is settled

>> No.14767495

>>14767491
Yes. Does this make you seethe? Have you finished middle school yet?

>> No.14767505

>>14767240
Explain more gooder.

>> No.14767511

>>14767495
soiencecuck, you sophistic "consensus" doesn't matter
just because you can't predict event X with a nonzero "margin of error" doesn't mean randomness exists

>> No.14767521

>>14767511
>hurrrrrrrrrr!! just because i model something as random mathematically, and i can't distinguish it from randomness empirically, doesn't mean it's random!!
Sure. It does mean that your determinitard dogma is head canon rather than empiricism.

>> No.14767527

>>14767521
just because soience cuckolds model their ineptitude as randomness doesn't mean it's randomness

>> No.14767530

>>14767527
That's nice. Now hang yourself, retard.

>> No.14767533

>>14767530
why would I do that?

>> No.14767540

>>14767317
If its random then how can your will affect it?

>> No.14767548

>>14767533
Because you want to and things aren't going to get better for you.

>> No.14767778

IM NOT SMART ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THE COMPLEXITY OF HOW BRAIN ALLOWS RELATIVELY FREE WILL TO EXIST, THEREFORE MY DETERMINED KNEE JERK RESPONSE IS TO SAY: FREE WILL DOES NOT EXIST AND IS NOT POSSIBLE. I BELIEVE THIS IS TRUE BECAUSE I DO NOT AND CANNOT THINK AND I AM VERY STUPID, THEREFORE I KNOW FREE WILL DOES NOT AND CANNOT POSSIBLY EXIST

>> No.14767789

>>14767778
you will never be a woman
therefore free will doesn't exist
QED

>> No.14767794

>>14767240
Words rhyming with trigger:
Bigger, rigger, digger, figure, tigger

>> No.14767821

>>14767420
>>14767407
ITS NOT ABOUT DEFYING DETERMINSM. HOW MANY WHEN DEBATING OVER THIS TOPIC ARE PLAYING A DIFFERENT SPORT IN A DIFFERENT BALLPARK.

IT IS ABOUT, THE SUPER COMPLEX BRAIN/MIND/BODY SYSTEM AS A UNIQUE UNIT OBJECT OF OPERATION, CAN INTERNALLY SELF DETERMINE, RELATIVELY.

IF A BODY RECOGNIZES OPTIONS, AND IT IS AWARE IT IS IN CHARGE OF DETERMINING THE OPTION TO CHOOSE, IT ITSELF IS THE DETERMINING FACTOR, THE WILL IS NOT DEFYING DETERMINSM;

THE WILL IS AN ACTIVE PARTICIPANT IN THE CHAIN OF DETERMINISM;

THE TRICK IS ITS NOT ALL 1D PLANCK LENGTH AND PLANCK TIME;

THE WILL IS RELATIVELY STABLE, SPREAD OUT OVER TIME.

IT TAKES IN DIFFERENT UNITS OF INFORMATION AT ONCE;

IT CAN WEIGH OPTIONS WHILE SUSPENDING ACTIONS.

THE WILL IS AWARE OF ITS POWER, TO MOVE, TO ACT, TO CHOOSE.

THE WILL IS NOT ABSOLUTELY EXACTLY TOTALLY COMPLETLY DETERMINED FOR EVERY ACT AND CHOICE TO BE SETTLED AND DETERMINED FOR IT.

THE WILL ULTIMATELY DETERMINES ITSELF, OUT OF ITS AWARENESS OF ALL OPTIONS, WHAT IT WILL DO NOW. AND NOW. AND NOW. AND NOW. AND NOW. AND NOW. AND NOW.

THERE IS NO DISCUSSION, THERE IS NO DEBATE. I HAVE SETTLED THE TOPIC.

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>>14767794
chigger, snigger, rigor, vigor, uyghur, budgerigar

>> No.14767825

>>14767821
>ITS NOT ABOUT DEFYING DETERMINSM
No one cares, filthy reddit-spacing nigger. I wasn't talking about free will at all.

>> No.14767999

NPC thread.

>> No.14768007

>>14767821
Ive been making this very point when arguing with determinists. They just dont get it.

>> No.14768028

>>14768007
>I have free will... because I heckin FEEL it, ok??

>> No.14768036

>>14767823
>slant rhymes
get the fuck out of here