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post and discuss research with regards to brain improvement, whether it'd be drugs, neurofeedback, activities s.a. language learning, etc. doesn't matter.

Pharmacologically illiterate people should not post about drugs nor recommend them!

>> No.14732697

Math, simple as Plato knew, I know it, you know it. Doing math in your head, and using a programming language like J/APL to aid problem experimentation, will improve your brain strength immensely.
Also water, dehydration is the main cause of lowered IQ.

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Fluvoxamine, the sigma-1 agonist improves cognition.
>antiparkinson effects of fluvoxamine
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32273939/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27338206/
>anti Alzheimer's effects of fluvoxamine
https://www.neurologylive.com/view/sigma1-agonists-offer-combination-approach-to-dementia-symptoms
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2819237/
>general cognition enhancing effects of fluvoxamine
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20373470/
>sigma-1 agonists raise acetylcholine in the frontal lobes and hippocampus but not the striatum and reverse memory impairment from muscarinic blockade
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20060423/
>fluvoxamine dopamine in the frontal lobes
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21487652/

Brexpiprazole, the a1 blocker, dopamine partial agonist, a2c adrenergic antagonist, 5ht1a agonist, 5ht2a, 5ht7 and mild 5ht6 antagonist improves cognition (better than aripiprazole)
>prazosin (a1 blocker) prevents memory deterioration in Alzheimer's
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23063647/
>a1 blocker reduces risk of parkinson's
https://medicine.uiowa.edu/content/prostate-drug-associated-lower-risk-parkinsons-disease
>5ht1a agonism increases dopamine and acetylcholine in the PFC
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0166432808002933?via%3Dihub
>5ht1a agonism raises striatal dopamine
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15906386/
>cognitive benefits of a2c adrenergic antagonism
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5558054/
I take max dose of these plus use nicotine and cannabis vape and drink shiraz red wine

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14732732

I'm hoping to study more about epigenetics in the coming years, like how diet/environment can alter gene expression ant the like. It's very cutting edge at the moment.

For anybody wanting to look up nootropics or anything health related like that, the best websites are Examine.com which is university-tier and for individual products themselves, Consumerlab.com

Just bear in mind Consumerlab leans towards what is available on the American market.

>> No.14732750

>>14732691
I presume anything which increases DHT will work.

>> No.14732775

>>14732750
By what pathway? As far as I know all increasing DHT will do is increase how fast you go bald lol

>> No.14733183

Good website to look up pathways: http://www.wikipathways.org/
Receptor function database: https://www.biotune.org/2019/07/what-receptors-do-antidepressants-and.html

>> No.14733191

>>14732775
baldness is like liquid cooling for your cpu

>> No.14733209

>>14732691
>pic
the fuck is this language, is it backwards arabic or some gay conlang

>> No.14733210

>>14733191
Except the sweat just runs down your forehead and into your eyes.
>>14732691
Does sleeping earlier really improve brain function?

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>>14733183
These links are very interesting, thanks. The receptor one helps me understand a bit more about some medications without having to read a million pages to get a straight answer.
It'll be a while though before I can look at the pathways database and not feel like a brainlet, though.

>> No.14733235

>>14733210
>Does sleeping earlier really improve brain function?

To a point, can't remember now where I read it but waking up later than 10am, you're just not getting as deep sleep because your body is going "well the sun is up, shouldn't we be awake?".
There are owls and larks, we all lean one way or the other. I'm absolutely an owl and getting to sleep later than 2am, even midnight, generally just isn't worth it unless you have a good reason.

>> No.14733238

>31
>need neuroplasticity and neurogenisis
pls god tell me what do

>> No.14733244

>>14733235
>well the sun is up
Makes sense, I've definitely woken up early after sleeping late just because the windows were really bright. I could get darker curtains but oh well. It just sucks that late night is a good quiet and atmospheric mood for online activities.

>> No.14733253

>>14733244
You could alternatively try to wake up at night. From what I've heard, sleep experiments show that the body produces the most growth hormones during sleep between 10 PM and 2 AM, so you could very well try waking up at 2:30 AM or so. Just make sure to always get 8 hours of sleep. You could also try out biphasic sleep.

>> No.14733258

>>14733209
Looks like ithkuil

>> No.14733273

>>14733244
I've got the works for not letting in sunlight and I'm a late worker too as the mood is way better. Just try to go to bed no later than 1am and avoid sleeping in if you've gotten the full 8 hours.

Some tips I have is having a cup of green tea/black coffee next to the bed so I wake up and slam that, then "snooze" and give it 20 minutes or whatever to kick in then I'm up. Though I'm a hardcore insomniac and take sleeping pills and likely will have to my whole life it's just that bad.

>>14733253
This isn't even as crazy as it sounds, bakers and milkmen wake up at these times, I low key wish I could do it myself as you get all the early morning productivity bonus and it's by far the quietest part of the day.
Adjusting the body to that sleep schedule though would be hard to impossible if you're not wired that way and not using sleeping medications, plus the social life impact if you have a girlfriend/wife as you're going to sleep at 6pm.

>> No.14733312

>>14733273
>the social life impact if you have a girlfriend/wife as you're going to sleep at 6pm.
My wife is usually up milking the kine.

>> No.14733477

>>14733244
>>14733253
>>14733258
>>14733273
>>14733312
pls help me see >>14733238

>> No.14733486

>>14733477
intranasal insulin. Semax. Intranasal rapamycin. Cerebrolysin. Pinealon. P21. HA-P6. NSI-189 (taking it with a lot of other things may cause Wallerian degen, though)
Intranasal deferoxamine may work too but be careful with the dosage. Pax went to the hospital due to hyponatremia after taking 4.5g.

>> No.14733491

any basic pills i can get off something like nootropics depot?

>> No.14733520

>>14733491
meant for >>14733486

>> No.14733525

>>14733477
>>14733238
Explain the nature of your problem, what do you "need" it for. Do you just feel dumb or do you have a brain injury, or a disease or what?

>> No.14733528

>>14733525
over 30
previous brain issues
work as a coder
need to keep up w/ zoom-zoom's
need something pill-form + cheap [big ask] that will gradually up-regulate my brain function

looking for

-no stimulation
-improve neurogenisis
-calming effect
-improve neuro plasticity.

>> No.14733533

>>14733528
luvox and brexpiprazole
maybe atomoxetine too

>> No.14733541

>>14733491
something like NSI-189 maybe. Cerebrolysin and Semax are things you get from rupharma, iqbase if you're in EU. Insulin you get either OTC or on bgpharma, same place where you can also get deferoxamine. PGLchem is another good site for a lot of noots, bromantane.co too.
Intranasal Epobis is fairly interesting too: https://hhd-pharm.en.made-in-china.com/product/YolxiRHPayTS/China-Wuhan-Hhd-Epobis-Peptide-Purity-99-Have-in-Stock-Factory-Shop.html
LDN https://me-pedia.org/wiki/Low_dose_naltrexone
Intranasal IL-2 (may help with schizophrenia)
Bocidelpar https://me-pedia.org/wiki/Bocidelpar

Btw here are some more "cutting-edge" noots that will probably be synthesized in the next few years:
24S,25-epoxycholesterol, oligodendrocyte formation promotion: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30655290/
TAK-653, AMPA PAM
GNE-5729, NR2A PAM
SRT-2104, SIRT1 activator
LY3154885, Dopamine-1 PAM
Alogabat, GABA-a5 PAM
(–)-Crebanine, 5HT2C antagonist
GNE-5729 and Alogabat would also likely be glutamatergic autism cures.

>> No.14733553

>>14733528
>previous brain issues

like what, because that's very broad

>> No.14733581

>>14732691
>>14733209
>>14733258
Ithkuil. Looks like a good idea thwarted by terrible design.

>> No.14733653

>>14733541
I live in Sweden and looked up public records related to iqbase and I can't tell if it's shady or not. Their address is a residential lot where Vevien Banebane Hedman (a Malaysian woman) lives with Gustav Eriksson, with c/o Kim Othind. They are also behind reachgenius.se and vitaminarc.se
There's nothing really spooky about it except the Malaysian woman and the residential address, bit weird though how they're both seemingly legit and registered whilst operating from home.

>> No.14733881

>>14733541
>nsi
mania
>semax/cere
exploding head syndrome
>cutting edge noots
yeah i heard about those

is there anything i can throw in my daily stack of pills that'll slowly bring me up, like a pill form of nsi?

>> No.14733968

Vyvanse makes me depressed at t+7-10 hours. Ordered some tyrosine, anyone else have suggestions?

Also, will this shit rot my brain long term?

>> No.14733971

>>14733968
>Vyvanse makes me depressed at t+7-10 hours.
probably because it's wearing off and you're using it at such a high dosage as to induce euphoria.

>> No.14735791

bamp

>> No.14736797

>>14733653
I've ordered from them and can confirm that they're one of the better vendors. My Semax came in cooled and shit. I also got a batch number to verify that it was tested in a lab.
>>14733881
>exploding head syndrome
never had that with Semax, but then again, I took NA-Semax. I always found it somewhat stimulating but it really helped me learn shit. I've heard some people even taking it before sleeping which I don't get

>> No.14737848

bump for interest

>> No.14738679

Vyvanse brerty good. Light drug, keep the dosage low tho

>> No.14738911

My profile.

25, male. Creative oriented, job consists of me being able to pull out good ideas and fuck around with them until they're translated into grahical expressions that not only work but are beautiful and new. I have a past history of dudeweedlmaoism that I'm fairly sure broke my brain due to it being street shit (implying homegrown is better anyway). Nowadays I struggle with focus, and hopping on the task. Once I'm there I'm alright but depending, I can slip out of it easy and this is directly impacting my living condition because incomes arent following. I'd need to have that spark all the fucking time and do 5 hours of exploration straight without diverging until I find what works and then do another 5 hours till it works, and these days I can consider myself lucky if I can pull 3 disjointed hours together on a single task at a time, waste another three and get back on it for yet another painfully unproductive 3 more hours.

This is hell, someone suggest a non destructive way out please

>> No.14740111

What nootropics are somewhat easy to find in Europe?
Been doing nicotine gum, but it's addictive

>> No.14741052

>>14740111
Fluvoxamine and brexpiprazole

>> No.14741351

If anyone could recommend the strongest possible option to counteract depression, I'd appreciate it.

>> No.14741546

>>14741351
Short term - meth or ritalin
Long term - Luvox and brexpiprazole

>> No.14741914

>>14738679
>>14741546
>amphetamines or their derivitives
no

>> No.14741918

>>14741351
ECT if you don't care about cognitive losses. Otherwise, try out HDACi like Vorinostat. While on it, do some self-therapy by watching motivational videos, etc.

>> No.14742320

>>14733581
The problem with Ithkuil is it's unspeakable and therefore unworkable as a language. It works as a philosophical language, or just a written one. Maybe babies could pick up on all the phonetic subtleties, but literally no one, including the inventor, speaks it fluently. I think Ithkuil is the 3.0 version. There needs to be a vulgar Ithkuil that acts like a human language and sacrifices density for intelligibility.

>> No.14742571

>>14741052
>SSRI and antipsychotic
T-thanks

>> No.14742586

>>14741351
Fulfillment in life

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>>14742571
>antiparkinson effects of fluvoxamine
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32273939/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27338206/
>anti Alzheimer's effects of fluvoxamine
https://www.neurologylive.com/view/sigma1-agonists-offer-combination-approach-to-dementia-symptoms
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2819237/
>general cognition enhancing effects of fluvoxamine
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20373470/
>sigma-1 agonists raise acetylcholine in the frontal lobes and hippocampus but not the striatum and reverse memory impairment from muscarinic blockade
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20060423/
>fluvoxamine dopamine in the frontal lobes
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21487652/
>prazosin (a1 adrenergic antagonist) prevents memory deterioration in Alzheimer's
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23063647/
>a1 blocker reduces risk of parkinson's
https://medicine.uiowa.edu/content/prostate-drug-associated-lower-risk-parkinsons-disease
>5ht1a agonism increases dopamine and acetylcholine in the PFC
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0166432808002933?via%3Dihub
>5ht1a agonism raises striatal dopamine
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15906386/
>cognitive benefits of a2c adrenergic antagonism
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5558054/

>> No.14743646

>>14741351
Suffering is the ultimate redpill anon. Persist.

>> No.14743738

>>14733238
Semax, TDCS, agmatine sulfate, lions mane

>> No.14743747

>>14733238
Fluvoxamine and brexpiprazole

>> No.14743823

>>14732691
Math
History
Writing
Exercise
Protein
Zinc/magnesium
Low blood pressure (you want blood flow and vasodilation)
High sexual prowess (increases oxytocin, T, and dominance making you more strategic and thoughtful)
….
Power gap
…..
Caffeine
Alpha lipoid acid

Power gap

Nicotine

>> No.14743830

Inb4
>amphetamine salts
No it doesn’t make you smarter. It makes smart people more productive. Stupid people just go and Jack off or do stupid shit.

That’s assuming you’re not legit adhd

>> No.14743835

Inb4
>modafinil
It stimulates your dopamine and histamine systems and again, makes you more alert. If you are dumb you won’t be any smarter. If you are smart but distracted or somehow tired it would make you alert and therefore more productive.

No stimulant drug is recommended if you have any OCD tendencies.

>> No.14744007

>>14743823
>Math
How high level does it have to be? I studied up to calculus and statistics in college, but only need rudimentary math in my daily life/job
>History
This is subjective. The source material could be biased to fit one narrative or another
>Writing
Essays and research, or is daily journaling fine?
>Exercise
Okay, especially cardio and resistance training
>Protein
Same, most people who don't lift don't get enough
>Zinc/magnesium
Good
>Low blood pressure (you want blood flow and vasodilation)
Good
>High sexual prowess (increases oxytocin, T, and dominance making you more strategic and thoughtful)
Incels btfo
Everything here seems good though

>>14732691
Can anyone attest to the info in these links regarding recovery from brain injury?
https://fourminutebooks.com/the-brain-that-changes-itself-summary/

https://www.optimallivingdynamics.com/blog/how-to-repair-a-leaky-blood-brain-barrier-ways-heal-fix-supplements-mental-health-neuroinflammation-treatments-causes-gaba-injury-hyperpermeability

https://www.optimallivingdynamics.com/blog/25-proven-ways-to-promote-the-regeneration-of-myelin

>> No.14744773

>>14741351
prayer

>> No.14744846

>>14741351
Stay busy enough to not think about whatever gets you down. It sounds cliché but as someone who overcome childhood depression that lasted for well over a decade, it's what worked for me + actively trying to reshape myself into a positively thinking ambitious person working on developing interests and career. Medication never did anything except make me apathetic.

>> No.14744960

>>14744007
>How high level does it have to be?
High as you can go. abstract algebra at least.
>This is subjective. The source material could be biased to fit one narrative or another
No shit that’s why you use that brain of yours to think about it and get smarter
>Essays and research, or is daily journaling fine?
Deeper and more complex argument the better. Dear diary today I woke up and slept is not it.
>cardio
Is crucial to keep blood pressure low
>strength
Is also crucial for hormonal balance
>protein
Your hormones and enzymes and brain is made up of protein and fat

>> No.14745896

>>14733968
change when you take it, so that it coincides closer to when you go to bed.

>> No.14745924

>>14733528
what is your sleep schedule like? how much exercise do you do daily? whats your diet like?
What do you do in your free time when your not programming?
Do you have any hobbies?

>> No.14745942

>>14741351
>strongest option
there is no cure all for your woes.
The stronger and longer your depression is the harder and more complex getting out of it is.

Most meds you can take to treat have almost equally as strong negative side effects. SSRIs affect people differently , it's not a fix 1 thing and you're good to go.

go to therapy to get to the bottom of what your depression is.
just don't KYS, stay strong

>> No.14747640

>>14732691
N-back exercise, there are apps like brainworkshop and Android apps

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>>14732691
>drink a spoonful of cold coca powder before bed. it increases cerebral blood flow.
>giving up alcohol long term is shown to improve cortical function
>Zazen-style meditation is shown to increase cortical volume on brain scans

>> No.14748322

>>14744960
charlatan

>> No.14750092

Kindness, love, respect, play

>> No.14750098

Degrees of freedom, positivity, perks

>> No.14750902

>>14732726
>Fluvoxamine
Kill yourself nigger. Die die die.

>> No.14750911

>>14733191
Yeah, that's why I call them "cold brains". That's a bad thing btw.

>> No.14751959

You know why you guys are so obsessed with brain improvement, right? I mean not the surface bullshit excuse of being unable to get ahead in life without having some intelectual chops; the real reason, the deep one. That you can admit to yourself that the only to improve your situation is sitting your ass down and doing the homework, going out and interacting with people smarter than you and accepting that there are some people that were born with innate talent that you won't ever had? Coming to grips with this would do wonders to your well being. I suggest therapy. Take a look at IFS.
Good luck.

>> No.14753903

Intelligence | Outtelligence

>> No.14754008

>>00014751959
Imagine wasting so much time writing such a meaningless post

>> No.14754034

>>14741351
read The Courage to Be Disliked

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>>14732691
Has anybody in here increased their IQ from any of these drugs?

>> No.14755096

I'm a 21 year old lad, am I still good for my small autistic brain to be improved?

>> No.14755190

>>14754493
>prl
>bacopa
lmao

>> No.14755300

>>14754493
I searched for similar charts and usually aderall and phenibut were at the top and PRL was much lower down. Where did you get this from?

>> No.14755381

>>14754493
nicotine, luvox, brexpiprazole, cannabis and fortified wine work for me

>> No.14755391

>>14755300
Think I found it on /sci a few months back

>> No.14755412

>>14755300
It's reddit bullshit with a troll title

>> No.14755458

>>14732750
what would that be for example?

>> No.14755466

psilocybin anyone?
as far as I know it lets your brain grow and is antidepressive.

I tried microdosing a few weeks ago and it was crazy how well it worked. Unfortunately I got problems with my gallbladder shortly afterwards, I'm not sure if it just happened coincidentally or if it was triggered by the mushrooms, but because of that I can't do it for now. But as soon as I'm better I will continue. I got the feeling that for the first time in my life (I'm 34) I could feel how a normal person feels.

>> No.14755590

>>14755381
Why cannabis?

>>14755466
Isnt that just a psychological gain? I dont say there are none but how about the smarts?

>> No.14755598

>>14755590
because I need cannabis to sit down and feel comfortable, I never feel bored or restless when i'm high. luvox, brexpiprazole and nicotine are good for learning and focus but I can't sit down and enjoy a computer game or music without weed.

>> No.14755626

>>14755598
>because I need cannabis to sit down and feel comfortable
that is called "addiction" and it has fucked up your brain.

>> No.14756262 [DELETED] 

>>14742320
The phonology is by far not its only problem. For example the stems are described inconsistently, and are a mix of grammatical gender, diminutive, and perhaps something else, and the description of eq and mm seems to not agree on which change in vowel denotes the gender. The way it's described is not how cases work, configuration is strange mixture of grammatical number and something else. It's whole design doesn't seem practical, and it often uses overcomplex inventions for what has much simpler solutions in natural languages

>> No.14756267

>>14742320
The phonology is by far not its only problem. For example the stems are described inconsistently, and are a mix of grammatical gender, diminutive, and perhaps something else, and the description of eq and mm seems to not agree on which change in vowel denotes the gender. Configuration is strange mixture of grammatical number and something else. It's whole design doesn't seem practical, and it often uses overcomplex inventions for what has much simpler solutions in natural languages

>> No.14756460

>>14755590
psilocybin is a neuroplastic, it makes your brain literally grow

>> No.14756485

>>14733486
There is also ISRIB.

>> No.14756503

>>14756460
I think there is no such a thing. Lead (with possibly some involvement of copper as well) is needed for the synapses to reset, I suppose after a thought occurs. There basically no such a thing as brain plasticity, the lack of it is the brain areas getting stuck, the neurons basically get used up and remain stuck for months or years, and not available for any new cognitive process.

>> No.14756574

>>14744960
>Deeper and more complex argument the better. Dear diary today I woke up and slept is not it.
Causes, consequences, motivations and plans attach to daily events just like history. For a mental exercise that probably won't change my decisions, I'll respond to some philosophy.

>> No.14756625

>>14756503
there are several studies that show that psilocybin can do that in a remarkable extent, just google it

>> No.14758191

>>14756625
Not my point at all. Reread my post please. There is no such a thing as brain plasticity.

>> No.14758810

>>14756460
>>14756625
nice

>> No.14759080

>>14741351

There is none. I had severe clinical depression for 7 years, then I got on a load of meds and I remembered how feeling emotions felt like.
Problem is the world is still a tragic satirical piece of horrifying shit only now I felt happy despite the fact. I weaned off the meds and gave all the right answers on the questionnaires and now I'm miserable again but at least it's a completely rational and justified feeling.

Life is suffering. Only thing that keeps me from killing myself is my determination to fight back and make it less so for whoever comes after me once I've kicked the bucket.

That said, maybe SSRI's and therapy will work for you, they're very much an individual treatment efficacy variable in each case.

>> No.14759582

>>14732697
Be careful with over-hydration. If your urine is clear then you are over-hydrating or not getting enough minerals or electrolytes

>> No.14759584

>>14742320
>There needs to be a vulgar Ithkuil that acts like a human language and sacrifices density for intelligibility.
Judging from the image the language is actually less dense than English.

>> No.14759586

>>14754493
>corn syrup
>methylene blue
what the fuck

>> No.14759598

>>14741351
If you want to avoid ssris(which you should if you want a working dick and a healthy weight) try Wellbutrin. I’ve been taking it for about a year for severe depression (think can’t sleep more than a few hours a night, cognition completely shot). It’s no silver bullet but it’s been a help with literally no downsides save for some insomnia and anxiety in the first month or two. If you want to give it a shot with your doc you can ask for it explicitly or ask for something that doesn’t make you gain weight or become a eunuch. My doc said this was basically the only antid that has these qualities.

>> No.14759616

>>14741351
The strongest one I've tried is NSI-189. Made me feel like a child again

>> No.14759619

>>14741351
PE-22-28

>> No.14759762

>>14733541
hey man...if youre in nootopics discord can u pweze tell them wufus is sowwy...im weally sowwy...pweze unban me..

>> No.14759768

>>14759762
just make a new account, retard

>> No.14760294

>>14759768
they banned all of my ip addwesses...and the alt vewifier wont wet me in...pweze...just unban wufus...

>> No.14761513

>>14760294
keep eating fish oil capsules until you figure out how to change your IP address

>> No.14762542

>>14732697
>Also water, dehydration is the main cause of lowered IQ.
is there any way to recover those iq i do not drink water that much

>> No.14762565

>>14733238
Its over

>> No.14762644
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14762644

Sometimes i wake up and my brain just does not work.

even the most basic logical shit just washed over me. Like my IQ drops to single digits.

eg. reading legislation and programming are very similar elif, if but for statements etc.
I'm reviewing this code and its only 5 lines and i just can't bring my brain to work. It's so hard to describe the feelings, the best way to describe it is the patrick meme (pic related). Like i lose all contextual sense of the previous axiom.

any ideas why that might be? what could help?

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>>14762644
>any ideas why that might be?
You are the president of the United States of America.
>what could help?
Take your meds.

>> No.14762704

>>14733238
LSD 300ug

>> No.14762708

>>14762696

its not that bad...

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>>14743823
Why do neurons need connections?
Why do neurons need to depolarise?
Why is a certain number of neurons needed for a process?
The answers don't come from biology, brainlet.

>> No.14762715

>>14755598
Boredness is good it pushes you to do stuff. Weed makes you apathetic, this isn't a good thing.

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>>14755598
>brexpiprazole and nicotine are good for learning
so what have you learned?

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>>14743823
>Writing
>Exercise
>Protein
>Zinc/magnesium
>Low blood pressure (you want blood flow and vasodilation)
>High sexual prowess
I have big bones to pick with people who don't realize neuroprotection and information processing are miles and miles apart. You shouldn't actually care, beyond cognitive enhancement purposes.
Dirtiness is now a separate value. And it has taken priority over CE
I don't do that. The only priority should be CE, not, feelings of dirtiness.
The brain >is< made to delve into toxicity.

The implications of toxicity don't necessitate cognitive impairment, sometimes, quite the opposite, in clever ways. You don't need to pay attn to neuroprotection, because the laws of information processing will tell you when you'd start to be dumber better than observing neuroprotection would.
It's just a logic thing. Neuroprotection only matters insofar as it's relevant to information processing.
I'm making a drug that aims to increase nr2b subunits levels on the surface of neurons, (therefore NMDA receptors) in many brain areas that govern memory, learning, focus, and recall. Technically I've started synthesis but it's a while away yet, like 3 months away. Research NR2B and you'll be excited. Headstart: doogie mice.
I'm using peptides and polysaccharides that occur naturally, so, it's at least somewhat safe. Ofc NMDA, and nr2b, in particular, can cause neural death. So, we'll try to avoid it. Using Davunetide seems best. And deferoxamine most likely.

>> No.14763816

>>14762716
For starters, Math is an arbitrary explosion of logic derived from an origin value that is defined as its own negative, a contradiction unto itself.

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I was in this thread

>> No.14765802

>>14762696
kek

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Man I feel bad for Pax after seeing this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3v0N-0Bkp0
Must suck living in such a family.

>> No.14766162

>>14766063
why did people start doxxing and fucking with pax?

>> No.14766170

>>14766162
pretty sure rivaling nootropics groups did that.

>> No.14767271

>>14732750
i really want to jump into finasteride but im afraid of its sideeffects on neurosteroids.Is there any conclusive study or even anecdotal evidance on how it affects mental state?I just cant go bald , it would be worse than death for me

>> No.14768224

Any recommendation for supplements improving mind eye and vividness of dreams? (α-GPC, 5-HTP, ...)

>> No.14768236

>>14768224
nicotine and luvox increase signaling in the visual cortex, they make dreams vivider

>> No.14768307

>>14768224
LDN gives really vivid dreams for the first week or so of use

>> No.14768308

>>14755458
Creatine. If you're vegan or don't eat much meat, creatine will give your brain the energy it's been lacking and will significantly improve your mental energy. Supposedly does raise IQ by 20% or smthn

>> No.14768323

>>14763509
Interesting. Is your work in any way inspired by the work of James Bibb and CDK5? Also, please keep us posted on your progress as you work on this.

>> No.14768450

>>14754493
This is photoshopped. It's originally a memory measure and it's not from Israel.

>> No.14768454

>>14763816
math existed before zero you dumb junkie

>> No.14768944

>>14762696
>>14762644

man you guys suck im just gonna meme red light therapy on days i feel shit.

>> No.14769106

>>14762644
they are doing memory manipulation in the morning with the towers. and during the day. but its heavier in the morning. this is from those awesome 5g towers. id look it up in the literature(there's a lot) but i dont want to spend 3 hours doing it.

>> No.14769111

>>14769106
you can notice it if you wake up early and literally everything just "slips"... nothing holds.

>> No.14770627

>>14769111
And here I actually believed that one image suggesting /sci/ and /lit/ users had on average an IQ of 130 or above XD.

>> No.14770634

How can I tell piracetam is doing anything for me? I've done doses as high as 3,200mg and felt nothing.

>> No.14770638

>>14770634
How are you getting piracetam? It's for all practical purposes banned in united states

>> No.14770639

Sharing recent unknown youtuber I found who has interesting videos about cognition enhancement.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-Z-bOHin4HbK4igy2UmXeQ/featured

>> No.14770641

>>14770638
It's a prescription (never enforced by pharmacists) drug in my country. I can buy 30cps of 800mg for $6.

>> No.14771568

>>14770639
It could learn a bit from memory techniques and their youtuber community

>> No.14771570

>>14770639
interesting, thanks

>> No.14771572

>>14760294
ever heard of residential proxies?

>> No.14771574

Read this thing on quora, could it be feasible?
https://www.quora.com/My-goal-is-to-raise-my-IQ-from-115-to-150-in-one-year-What-do-I-need-to-do-every-day-to-make-this-happen/answers/26432558

>> No.14771750

>modafinil
Is there any way to buy it locally if europoor?

>> No.14771760

>>14732691
drop dopamine agonists like bromocriptine for insane motivation and energy

weight loss and huge jizz loads. sleep like a rock and wake up like a rocket

all the benefits you seek in life and more, just go with dopamine agonists

>> No.14771762

>>14771760
think amphetamines or shroom/acid glow permanently instead of temporary

>> No.14772324

>>14771760
What dose should I take to test bromocriptine?

>> No.14772333

>>14772324
your IQ will remain low no matter how much drugs you buy from shlomo, you were born with a weak brain.

>> No.14772476

>>14772333
Who's low IQ here when you couldn't even parse what >>14771760 said? LMAO!

>> No.14772477

>>14771760
>bromocriptine
Do you need a prescription for that? Or for any of the dopamine agonists?

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>brain improvement general
>it's just a bunch of guys taking pharma drugs
>no neurofeedback/n-back/memory training stuff

>> No.14772503

>>14772494
>>no neurofeedback/n-back/memory training stuff
doesn't work

>> No.14772509

>>14772503
Mnemonics work. N-back might improve working memory, probably not fluid intelligence. People seem to get results from N-backing at least for visualization or working out problems

>> No.14772512

Also, neurofeedback works too. Why wouldn't it work? Don't you know anything about the classical/operant conditioning processes?

>> No.14772519

>>14772512
let me ask you this: why shouldn't drugs work? Do you know of NR2B? Fact of the matter is, neurofeedback is negligible in comparison.

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>>14772519
I know drugs work. So does neurofeedback. It's not exactly "negligible in comparison", you can manipulate your brainwaves or condition new reflexes with it. It's clear you have no idea what mnemonics/n-backing/neurofeedback does at all, because you keep talking out of your ass

"It doesn't work" is not an argument either

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>>14772528
Bold of you to assume such a thing. I have far more experience with both neurofeedback and drugs than you will ever have.

>> No.14772541

>>14772537
Another great argument man. We've got another Einstein over here
Keep it up!

>> No.14772551

>>14772541
I accept your concession.

>> No.14772559

>he couldn't even figure out how to use it
You guys are truly something else.

Can you at least tell me why or how it didn't work for you? Afraid you need to be a bit more specific

>> No.14772566

>>14772559
Again, stuff like intranasal IL-2, DFO, tabernanthalog, etc. is far more potent. All I'm waiting for now is the NR2B peptide. You're a child compared to me.

>> No.14772750

>>14772494
We did mention them but most /sci/entists dont yet catch it

>> No.14772775

>>14733528
You want muscles without strenuous, consistent resistance training and proper sleep. No. You want plasticity and genesis then you have to work for it by learning new, challenging skills

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>>14772566
>snorting chinese bath chemicals
>doesn't see value in memory training or conditioning
This board never fails to surprise me

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>>14772792
Sorry, but I don't need any memory training.

>> No.14772810

>>14772796
It's for the best. This way, you can keep forgetting to make an argument or state valid reasons why you dislike neurofeedback

>> No.14772814

>>14772810
Don't reply to me, ESL.

>> No.14772840

>>14771762
>think amphetamines or shroom/acid glow permanently instead of temporary
That sounds great. It seems those dopamine agonists are a lot harder to find though compared to amphetamines/shrooms.
I would think there's not really a market for those things right?

>> No.14772842

>>14772840
Contact some Eastern European pharmacies, like BGpharma. Otherwise, look out for group buys

>> No.14773301

>>14772537
Can you explain how you've used neurofeedback and what benefits or drawbacks you find with it's use? Also, have you rigorously tested this self experiment in such a way that you are confident any felt effects aren't just placebo?

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>>14772814
>1 crate of chinese chemicals = $500
>1 neurofeedback headset = $1,195
>being a stupid dumbfuck unable to explain either = ...
>priceless.

>> No.14773440

I find myself having a really hard time starting tasks and get distracted easily.
It's like there's some mental barrier I didn't have before that keeps me from work.
Wtf do I do? I get really anxious if I stop distracting myself.
I started eating clean and biking a while back, but it's still there.
Like covid lockdown gave me ADHD.

>> No.14773539

>>14773440
I find myself with the same problem. I haven't fixed it, but here's a few things that seem to help:
- talk to people IRL (this is especially difficult with covid and everything going remote)
- intermittent fasting will give you mental energy and clarity
- mindfulness meditation helps with anxiety and can really help your brain adjust to environments with low stimulation. You essentially become comfortable with not having a dopamine hit every five seconds. It also calms you down and greatly boosts mental stability.

Also, recommend cutting out processed sugars, seed oils, and junk food. It's addicting I know, but you'll feel and live better without them.

>> No.14773554

>>14773440
>Wtf do I do?
Learn to relax, then direct your attention to small steps devised to achieve a bigger goal. You won't be able to tackle a large problem out of nowhere, in one shot kind of way. You need to slowly but surely substitute that feeling of anxiety before work to something else. I say substitute because elimination is not an option, you will be fighting its "hole" or absence in your "schedule" and it's just a matter of time before it comes back. You swap the feeling for one that helps you start the task at hand.
Does this make sense to you? It helped me. It might help you. It's worth to think about it.

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fictionalized account of brain improvement, neurofeedback, language learning, etc.

>> No.14773562

>>14773557
>From medieval fantasy to ultra-high tech, The Weather Vane is a fast-paced adventure full of fun and excitement, literary zeal, and colorful characters. A group of ascendant masters find themselves in the afterlife and learn that they are newly recruited into the cosmic battle of good versus evil. Before they can join the fight, shipwreck strikes and they are lost in the ether. Stranded in a magical land beyond the reaches of the universe, The Weather Vane follows our crew of heroes as they try to piece things back together.
what

>> No.14773565

>>14773557
>>14773562
>Not enough mathematical rigor. I'm a little steamed Daddy Tooker didn't sign it. Friendly reminder that Judy Hopps owns /sci/.
is this some meme?

>> No.14773576

>>14762704
75 ug faucidose

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>>14773301
Decreased coherence between 4-6hz. Increased coherence between 10-12hz. It targets the ACC, DLPFC, VMPFC, and IFG. This can be replicated with 4 electrodes at F8 F7 F3 and F4. The biomarker of hemispheric alpha asymmetry, as opposed to the entire frontal lobe, makes the alpha symmetry more selective to this region, where you are already training alpha (increasing coherence will slightly increase power). Asymmetries in other frequency bands will have a slight improvement as a side effect, but I am primarily targeting alpha symmetry because it is a very concrete marker of psychiatric problems, whereas other frequency bands are not. We are guaranteeing that this area will have the strongest changes because we will see improvements in the areas around it as well (selectivity and precision). Same idea behind selecting these particular frequencies, based on the literature. I also lowered delta power at F7 and F8.
All in all, it can only potentiate noots, not replace them, with the strongest noots rather being a contender for replacing NF. Contrary to what that wojakposting brainlet, who's never even tried neurofeedback, may want you to believe. Even so, I'm doing some research into ILF neurofeedback atm.

>> No.14774205

>>14772324
2.5mg is more than enough

>>14772477
buy online. get it online, somehow. get it?

>> No.14774274

>>14771760
another disclaimer
use only when doing something productive or something you're willing to sink time into

because it'll create chemically induced habits so you dont want to be taking drugs or playing videogames on these things

unless thats your thing

>> No.14774404

>>14774205
>get it?
No I don't

>> No.14774411

>>14774205
How do you take it? Just once a day?

>> No.14774467

>>14772792
>>14772796
>>14773419
Been on mendi 5 months
it's good niggas

>> No.14774477

>>14773711
i use mendi and binural beats

>> No.14774482

>>14774404
some guy mentioned eastern european pharmacy websites, they're real
darknet has this stuff too

>>14774411
probaby twice a day is enough. as needed, i rarely took more than one after a while, the effects just arent as strong

>> No.14774613

>>14772494
Or you can, you know, just get some headphones and listen to binaural beats (best: 40hz gamma ones) for, what? 2% of the price?

>> No.14775481

>>14774482
Thanks for the info. Seems like they're pretty cheap as well unlike amphetamines.

>> No.14777235

>>14771760
>huge jizz loads
Dude this stuff ain't clomid, why would it increase cum volume

>> No.14777256

>>14777235
i dont know but consistent 9 shot loads after 3 days on this stuff

the reality is it's too complex to explain. it almost does the opposite of antipsychotics which block a lot of receptors.
for some reason with antipsychotics, you just dont jizz as much anymore.

>> No.14777285

>>14777256
*after 3 days of not jerking off
*probably been on DAs at that point for a few weeks

>> No.14779047

>>14732691
Adderall

>> No.14779342

>>14763816
He watched a youtube video while high. Goddamn, weed surely turns you into a genius.

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This thread is hopeless

>> No.14780817

>>14763509
You're honestly lost where to begin exploring cognitive enhancement. ignoring environmental enrichment, health conscious behaviors really puts you behind your "contemporaries" in all pursuits of cognitive enhancement. Even if I were to agree with you it wouldn't change the nature in which prioritizing learning is multifaceted and its known that improving measures of health directly contribute to cognition on the cellular level supported with mechanistic data on how they contribute to cognition. You can't honestly say you even enjoy research if you had only been exploring the protein protein interactions of nr2b with cdk5 and think that you're done learning. Also to give insight if you think that the nr2b peptide will be finished in 3 months its honestly a huge lie you keep telling people with your past projects. We know the hylauronate is perpetually incorrect and you think one day you're going to expect that to change? This is ignoring the fact that youre giving excuses why youre not ambitious in pursuit of other goals in your life. Youre honestly lazy if you reject placing attention towards bettering your physical health.
>>14766063
Being in a family where parents are in least an obstacle or worse adversarial leads often to the development of thought disorders. Someone like Pax having come from a family like this can be an example of someone who when properly enhanced is a force of nature. They hold many quantities that can allow them to excel when they are in their manic states.

>> No.14780868

>>14772537
I remember you being more active. You introduced the compound asp2905 to the community if yourr who I think you are. I've been holding onto some projects just waiting for the capital. Peptides will always be the gold standard for powerful cognitive enhancers. Ive been looking very closely at multiple tripeptides and a tetrapeptide which i think upon their completion will bring an end to any hopes that the competition will have at cornering the market. I'm excited to see that end in sight. Neurofeedback is going to be exceptionally valuable coupled with new cognitive enhancers that will behave synergistically to improve general intelligence

>> No.14780955

>>14780868
finally a real Pax tripcode

word around the block is you got hospitalized because of your experiments, true or false?

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>>14780955
I have been hospitalized for 4 days late last month. Ive developed hyponatremia because i suffered from hyperemesis and could not keep down food or liquids. I would like to say that the circumstances of my hospitalization came after I had administered a exceptionally high dose of a thioredoxin mimetic peptide called cb3 which noone has ever taken before. Its a mitochondrial targeted cysteine donor peptide substantially more powerful than n acetyl cysteine as an antioxidant 10k-100k times more powerful. I know emesis is likely possible with this peptide after taking it again in high ammounts and developing nausea for 3 days. Ive taken a dose thats quitr miniscule yesterday and dony have any appreciable negative sides. The dose i taken was possibly in the sub mg range and it was much more powerful than a comparable mitochondrial targeted antioxidant (skq1) i have also introduced. I have been relaxing somewhat in the aftermath of this illness and when Ihad suffered in the hospital it had taken a couple days to put myself back together. I expect once i get more capital which should take a month or less to get Ill move forward with one or 2 projects Im looking forward to. One peptide should be an exceptionally powerful cognitive enhancer more powerful than we've ever witnessed before and a anti-cancer peptide that inhibits vegf1 which should suppress metastatic spread of cancer and branching of new blood vessels. That peptide had been found to be orally bioavailablr and reverses macular degeneration and diabetic retinopathy while also serving as a powerful treatment for atherosclerosis. I'm eager to make both and it likely wont be my last projects either. There are many more i look forward to procuring.

>> No.14782854

>>14732697
>>14743823
>math makes you smarter
Stop with this meme. Doing math just makes you better at doing math, it doesn't do shit for cognitive improvement.

>> No.14782859

>>14782854
>Doing math just makes you better at doing math, it doesn't do shit for cognitive improvement.
For someone who never does any they will get benefits to general cognition, it's obviously aibject to diminishing returns.

Little bit of physical and mental exercise a day will go a long way

>> No.14783196

is there anything that improves the rate of learning a new language?
honestly this would be my standard for any kind of cognition enhancement

>> No.14783205

>>14783196
nicotine and arecoline

>> No.14783933

>>14781004
i love you, pax. What would your preferred treatment for ADHD be?

>> No.14784067

controversial opinion

except for things like poor diet, stress, and sleep deprivation your brain always works optimally in the context of the tasks you're making it perform. the key is choosing the right tasks, eliminating distraction, using tools to offload things out of working memory, and lowering the entry barier for actionable study, synthesizing prior knowledge, and analyzing your mistakes for cognitive blindspots.

>> No.14785139

>>14732691

the drug
>t. not a producer of the drug

>> No.14785208

>>14741351
exercise

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>>14783933
Your brain is reliant on glucose metabolism to support all of our cognitive functions and its seen that is particularly important in the context of adhd. When I became most ambitious exploring novel nootropics and became a part of the cognitive enhancement community at large I had huge breakthroughs with skq1 at 200mcg subq for a few months. Intranasal Rapamycin when i first began using it was one of the more awe inspiring experiences of my life. Both of those compounds did incredibly well mitigating brainfog and negative mood states. Intranasal insulin i had found early this year and it had been the most amazing addition to my stack upto that point. Nothing gave me more ambition or better cognitive function upto that point. Then a few months ago i began using deferoxamine intranasally. All of these compounds strongly support mitochondrial functions through mitigation of oxidative stress and supporting autophagy. By improving mitochondrial atp generation we promote higher function of our braincell lines which supports attention, memory and sensory processing. Insulin is otc in the united states. I just go to the pharmacy counter and ask for humulin r. I use about 100iu of insulin intranasally daily. I incorporate deferoxamine a few times a week and I havent noticed a sticking point yet where i would notice negative sides from dfo and ive been consistent about using it intranasally. Im about 7 grams deep. Im eager to try mechano growth factor and ara290 intranasally. If i had the opportunity i would try epo intranasally. I am most eager about the projects that i will greenlight in the next couple months. I have plans on financing multiple projects in the short term all of compiunds that haven't been tested in humans before. I'm very excited about the possibilities as these compounds are likely to be the most powerful cognitive enhancers and longevity promoting agents to ever be discovered.

>> No.14786310

>>14756460
Yeah, it makes it grow in random directions and you'll end up with schizophrenia

>> No.14786316

>>14771760
Wtf at least take a D1 agonist.

>> No.14786367

>>14786310
Ive known a couple schizophrenic noot users. Both of them developed their schizophrenia from stimulant psychosis. One induced it through abusing pea and the second one had 72 hour sleep wake cycles and had a nootropic list with close to 20+ compounds on it. There's probably a point where use of highly experimental compounds enhance the human experiwnce beyond the point where most people can be defined as neurotypical. Im probably one of the biggest examples of someone by any measure could be defined as having a high conflict personality disorder. It really requires a large degree of grandiosity to have the ambition to use highly experimental drugs in a way that is synergistic and with risks that can be easily defined and mitigated.

>> No.14786373

>>14786367
>72 hour sleep wake cycles
Jesus Christ. And here I struggle to get more than 4 hours of sleep every night

>> No.14786375

>>14732697
Sounds nice but can you post some studies?

>> No.14787029

>>14786316
sigma-1 receptor agonists like luvox enhance D1R signaling.

>> No.14787043

>>14782854
Insofar as you are able to recognize objects as models of mathematical formalisms, you have an immediate bank of intuition to work off of that gives you a massive advantage in both memorization and fluency of the material.

>> No.14789339

>>14783196
>is there anything that improves the rate of learning a new language?
You have to enjoy learning it. That's perhaps the most important thing in learning anything at all that you somehow make it enjoyable.
Super important for staying motivated but it also improves the rate in which you process the information.

>> No.14789342

>>14732691
neurofeedback after meditation x instrument/sport

>> No.14789662

>>14732726
>>14732726
Could someone explain to me in simple language how aripiprazole etc could enhance cognition?

>> No.14789878

>>14789662
increased release of dopamine in prefrontal cortex and hippocampus

>> No.14790050 [DELETED] 

Don't consume excitotoxins: processed glutamate (MSG), aspartame etc.

Any of the following labeling terms indicate that MSG is present: glutamate,monopotassium glutamate, glutamic acid, citric acid, hydrolyzed protein of any type (onions), autolyzed yeast, whey protein concentrate, protein.

Other ingredients that almost always include or produce free glutamic acid during the processing phase include: seasonings, any "flavors" or "flavoring" including so-called natural flavoring, bouillon, broth or stock, brewer's yeast, maltodextrin, carrageenan, oligodextrin, barley malt, malted barley or malt extract.

>> No.14790067 [DELETED] 

Don't consume excitotoxins: processed glutamate (MSG), aspartame etc.

Any of the following labeling terms indicate that MSG is present: glutamate, monopotassium glutamate, glutamic acid, citric acid, hydrolyzed protein of any type (onions), autolyzed yeast, whey protein concentrate, protein.

Other ingredients that almost always include or produce free glutamic acid during the processing phase include: seasonings, any "flavors" or "flavoring" including so-called natural flavoring, bouillon, broth or stock, brewer's yeast, maltodextrin, carrageenan, oligodextrin, barley malt, malted barley or malt extract.

>> No.14790081 [DELETED] 

Don't consume excitotoxins: processed glutamate (MSG), aspartame etc.

Any of the following labeling terms indicate that MSG is present: glutamate, monopotassium glutamate, glutamic acid, citric acid, hydrolyzed protein of any type (s.o.y.), autolyzed yeast, whey protein concentrate, protein.

Other ingredients that almost always include or produce free glutamic acid during the processing phase include: seasonings, any "flavors" or "flavoring" including so-called natural flavoring, bouillon, broth or stock, brewer's yeast, maltodextrin, carrageenan, oligodextrin, barley malt, malted barley or malt extract.

>> No.14791094

>>14770641
weak. we've got 1200 mg 100 tabs for $7

>> No.14793273

>>14732691
I will destroy my own thread

>> No.14794535

>>14732726
gay

>> No.14794642

>>14732691

I was working on a presentation for an interview last night and OP image was on the screen in the background. I kept glancing over at it and it motivated me to make a goodish presentation.

Anyways, I got the job, thanks OP

"your effort will be rewarded"