Have you taken the vaccine for covid-19? Do you regret it or not?

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Anonymous Tue Aug 2 16:02:26 2022 No.14722808 [Reply] [Original]

Have you taken the vaccine for covid-19? Do you regret it or not?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 16:05:45 2022 No.14722816 File: 223 KB, 620x723, fast.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] If you took the jab, follow this cure coming from Christ himself, who fasted for weeks without eating and drinking. Get the poison science juice out of your body

Anonymous Tue Aug 2 16:09:03 2022 No.14722823
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>>14722808
I got both vaccinations, boosted in October and got covid last month.
No, I don't regret it, none of this really matters. At least it didn't leave a scar like my smallpox "vaccine."

Anonymous Tue Aug 2 16:21:07 2022 No.14722853

>Have you taken the vaccine for covid-19?
hell no.
but I have a problem rn, I have to get a surgery later this year and its pretty important (tonsillitis removal), the healthcare plan requires me to take a PCR test before it, I am reluctant, I have never done a pcr test, and I know there's at least 30% chance it will give a false positive, so, should I take it? I dont have access to corrupt people to fake it for me, what should I do? should I take it? is it gonna fuck my body?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 16:33:06 2022 No.14722887 >>14722808 >Have you taken the vaccine for covid-19? Yep, 2x Moderna. >Do you regret it or not? Yep. I surrendered my convictions and I hate myself for it. But I hate the collectivists who pushed it so much more.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 16:36:43 2022 No.14722893 >>14722808 even if you die from the vaccine it is still gives you better chance to avoid infection so you should take it

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 16:43:33 2022 No.14722918 >>14722808 What is the picture from? I swear to God I've seen the original before.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 16:47:50 2022 No.14722941 >>14722808 Nope but it did keep me from getting a job with a company that contracts with the federal government. Luckily there are plenty of other remote software development jobs so it didn't matter in the end.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 16:53:07 2022 No.14722963 >>14722893 this. take the jab, anon. be responsible.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 17:05:27 2022 No.14723011 I dont regret it and I now feel calm, almost empty. and I agree with everything the government tells me.

Anonymous Tue Aug 2 17:08:54 2022 No.14723021

>>14722808
3 doses. I've been sick with flu-like symptoms for 24h each time. I don't regret it though. I work in the medical field but it wasn't mandatory here.

I had the original strain of Covid before the vaccines were a thing and it was so bad that I wanted to reduce the risk of getting it a second time as much as possible or at least reduce the severity of symptoms. Mainly loss of taste, smell and, in my case, 3 months of increased loss of hair. It's called "telogen effluvium" and I don't want to see how susceptible I am to that.

Anonymous Tue Aug 2 17:51:11 2022 No.14723110
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Two doses of Pfizer. I regret it but I have no logical basis for my regret. It's simply paranoia based on distrust of my government. I've experienced no side effects from it other than mild pain in my arm around the injection site the days of the injections. The pain went away a day after.

Anonymous Tue Aug 2 18:19:42 2022 No.14723168

>>14722808
No. I was waiting for Novavax to become available. Then I contracted omicron from a vaxxed coworker who was coughing their lungs out. Felt mild flu-like symptoms for a day and a sore throat for a week. It's pointless to get the shot for me now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 23:38:35 2022 No.14723867 >>14722853 How do you know they won't infect you with gay viruses during the surgery? Better to hide innawoods and treat your tonsils through the power of Jesus

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 23:52:06 2022 No.14723895 File: 165 KB, 1153x1070, pfizer ceo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14722893 >even if you die from the vaccine it is still gives you better chance to avoid infection so you should take it Kek Even that is questionable.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 23:53:33 2022 No.14723899 >>14722808 No, never taking it, pureblood 4 life

Anonymous Tue Aug 2 23:55:33 2022 No.14723906

>>14722808
Sort of. I had both vaccines, felt very sick after the 2nd vaccine, but afterwards ended up with covid. A family member had the boosters, was around with people covid, and never had covid.

I guess covid wasn't that bad. It was more boring as I was stuck on my computer while waiting to test negative.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 23:55:49 2022 No.14723908 >>14722808 No I didn't take it, and I was fired and was awarded tens of thousands in legal termination pay by courts.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 2 23:58:05 2022 No.14723916 >>14723110 Same here. For some reason I feel so guilty for taking the vaccine despite literally nothing happening to me. The shot cleared up my long covid and that's good, but some irrational part of me regrets it even though that was a year ago.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 3 00:02:13 2022 No.14723927 >>14723916 Your soul knows you're complicit with covid tyranny. You will only lose that bad feeling if you do any type of revolt that hurts the system.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 3 00:04:38 2022 No.14723933 >>14723927 Nah, it's more like the fact that just getting the shot and saying I did is going to rile up anti vaxxers. It's like encouraging obsessive or addictive behaviors in people.

Anonymous Wed Aug 3 00:05:19 2022 No.14723936

>>14722808
No. The virus is like a weak flu. I learned a lot from the pandemic. I learned never to fully trust scientists, experts, media, doctors, and government. I also learned which careers would set me up to be a slave with no bodily autonomy, and which ones did not. I also learned which sectors of society would kneejerk into collective authoritarianism as soon as things get a little scary. The pandemic has been a good thing, and I think it is funny that they have destroyed the global economy over it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 3 00:16:31 2022 No.14723956 >>14723933 Yes guilt and fear are the same thing kek

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 3 00:29:22 2022 No.14723979 Fuck no, I've seen this shit under a microscope. You do whatever you want though op, don't judge me and I wont judge you.

Anonymous Wed Aug 3 01:30:25 2022 No.14724107

>>14722808
>Have you taken the vaccine for covid-19?
Yep. Boosted, even.
>Do you regret it or not?
Nope. No issues.
Not sure if I'll take any more though. I'm happy with the choice I made at the time, but the risk calculation feels a bit different now.
The virus will be around forevermore at this point, current strains are weaker, more effective treatment options are available, etc.

Still haven't had covid, although that might be more to do with my lifestyle than the vaxx.

Anonymous Wed Aug 3 01:38:50 2022 No.14724131

>>14722853
you'll be fine, PCR tests aren't harmful lol

>>14722808
I did not take it and I am glad that I didn't

>>14723916
You know deep down you didn't stick to your principles. Though if nothing's happened by now, I doubt anything will in the future.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 3 01:40:18 2022 No.14724138 >>14723168 Yeah my original gameplan was to wait for novavax but then two years later and still fucking nothing then I realized oh wait I don't actually need to get a vaccine for covid lmfao

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 3 01:42:19 2022 No.14724146 >>14722808 no and no

Anonymous Wed Aug 3 02:02:38 2022 No.14724205

>>14722808
>Have you taken the vaccine for covid-19?
Yeah, 2x Pfizer, also I got covid twice beforehand
>Do you regret it or not?
Not really, I wasn't forced in to it. I just wanted to make sure my kid didn't get it. Also when I got my hands on the list of bad batches of the vax, mine didn't have any reported side effects, so I'm fine.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 3 07:07:35 2022 No.14724734 File: 327 KB, 1410x678, 1657331923282.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14722893 >even if you die from the vaccine it is still gives you better chance to avoid infection so you should take it Not even remotely true

Anonymous Wed Aug 3 07:56:01 2022 No.14724815

>>14722808
No.
I don't regret it but it does make the job search a bit more complicated because I work in the tech industry and some of these companies really go all-on on the soience and are still demanding all their employees and new hires be vaxxed even though the foolishness of that has been thoroughly demonstrated at this point.
Basically whenever I apply somewhere I have to browse through their website and news articles to see their stance on vax mandates before I apply.

Anonymous Wed Aug 3 09:59:38 2022 No.14725003

>>14722808
Yes and no. Still haven't caught covid but my exposure is pretty low, all the data shows I'm less likely to get fucked up thanks to the vaxx.
The only major issue I have with any of the vaccines is manufactures requiring governments to put up capital in case there are lawsuits, this isn't something governments should agree too and if all free market acts insist it proves a need for a nationalized manufacturer.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 3 10:48:34 2022 No.14725082 >>14722853 I think you should probably just kill yourself. Everyone would be better off.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 3 10:55:21 2022 No.14725095 File: 762 KB, 607x609, 1644104792418.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] No, no. My body my choice.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 3 10:58:11 2022 No.14725099 >>14722893 > better chance to avoid infection Is that why Pope Fauci and Biden each got it twice? (Or were they getting fake shots all along because they know something we don't?)

>>	test Wed Aug 3 11:07:56 2022 No.14725122 >>14722808 funny word

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 3 11:32:22 2022 No.14725192 File: 19 KB, 306x306, 1654606514854.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14722808 > covid > vaccine > virus no such things

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 3 11:44:20 2022 No.14725228 File: 32 KB, 547x471, C9oRVqNVwAA2E_i.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Took it last year. Zero consequences. Didn't even feel sick. I'm not sure why I'd regret it. I work at Moderna though

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 3 12:02:21 2022 No.14725273 >>14725192 Only frogposters looking like a dickhead are real.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 3 12:17:06 2022 No.14725321 >>14722808 Fuck no. Why would you take an untested experimental vaccine from companies that are known criminals and have had to pay fines in court?

Anonymous Wed Aug 3 12:20:14 2022 No.14725326

>>14722808
>Have you taken the vaccine for covid-19?
yes
>Do you regret it or not?
yes, overhyped bullshit that does likely more harm than it helps for my agegroup

realistically i didnt even really need it, its just comfort when going to sport and not having to get tested (this is why i got it)

Anonymous Wed Aug 3 13:51:45 2022 No.14725555
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Yep. 2x. Fuck getting boosters at least for another two years or so though.
Feel fine, and haven't got the 'vid yet.
But don't worri anti-vaxxers I'm sure my sperm count will tank and I'll develop ginormous stomach ulcers any day now before dropping over dead...Any day now... Any day...Don't worry it will hapoon eventually, definitly tommorow, and definitely the day after tommorow if it doesn't hapoon tommorow. It's hapooning!

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 3 14:00:53 2022 No.14725569 >>14725555 >But don't worri anti-vaxxers I'm not worrying nor do I have anything to worry about since I didn't get stuck with the lipid nanoparticle spike protein producing mystery sauce.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 3 14:16:11 2022 No.14725604 >>14722808 No and no. I had covid about two weeks ago and it was nothing special.

>>	cassandra malcador Wed Aug 3 17:13:58 2022 No.14726083 >>14722808 it's a shield stop allowing horseshit juju le edging fear LOA I already voided it along with the true peak gods

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 3 17:17:00 2022 No.14726096 >>14722808 Never have and I never will. I will not take the poison, and I gotta say it feels pretty fucking good.

Anonymous Wed Aug 3 17:45:30 2022 No.14726164

>>14724131
>you'll be fine, PCR tests aren't harmful lol
Haha unless?
https://www.news18.com/news/buzz/a-covid-19-nasal-swab-test-punctured-womans-brain-lining-and-leaked-brain-fluid-from-her-nose-2927009.html

>Though if nothing's happened by now, I doubt anything will in the future.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/n4pID0q54Oaw/

Anonymous Wed Aug 3 17:51:18 2022 No.14726176

>>14725555
>But don't worri anti-vaxxers I'm sure my sperm count will tank and I'll develop ginormous stomach ulcers any day now before dropping over dead...
It's actually worse than that bro, imagine becoming a literal zombie, but it will take until 6G or 7G

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 3 20:20:17 2022 No.14726516 >>14725099 the fact that they only got it twice is evidence that it works

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 3 20:31:04 2022 No.14726531 >>14722808 Yeah. No ragrets. The only adverse effect was light pain in the muscle they put the vaccine in. But I probably won't get the 4th shot, omicron doesn't seem worth it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 3 20:32:05 2022 No.14726535 >>14722853 >I know there's at least 30% chance it will give a false positive Please be trolling.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 3 20:34:33 2022 No.14726540 >>14726164 >PCR I haven't had a swab in like 9 months. Everything is based on saliva tests these days. You spit into a tube, what could go wrong? You could cut your lip on the rough edge? >black goo demons Meds.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 3 20:40:11 2022 No.14726562 nope nope got the coof once, it was less than a cold. i pity those with little bitch immune systems.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 3 21:32:15 2022 No.14726681 >>14722887 But why though? What’s your reasoning?

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 3 21:35:01 2022 No.14726687 What is the likelihood of dying from the vaccine itself and nothing else? Give me evidence of this, sources that tell of it’s fatality rate. If you can’t do this but say people shouldn’t get it b/c they’d die from it, you’re full of shit

Anonymous Wed Aug 3 22:34:33 2022 No.14726806

>>14726681
For getting it or regretting it? I got it because I needed to for school. I regret it because I didn't need it, and again surrendering my convictions for the sake of convenience. I've had COVID twice now, delta before and omicron after le science juice. It was exactly the same both times - a complete fucking nothingburger.

Anonymous Wed Aug 3 22:40:40 2022 No.14726815
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>>14722808
Have not taken it, do not regret it.

Caught covid back in January. It was really one of the more mild illnesses I've had. I pretty much just slept a lot. I also got 2 weeks paid off for it, so win win.

There was so much blatant lying going around about it, it seems absurd to trust it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 3 22:46:01 2022 No.14726823 >>14722808 I took it, but only had a minor stroke. Couldn't imagine what would have happened to me had I been an anti-science loon.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 3 22:47:34 2022 No.14726826 >>14722808 >Have you taken the vaccine for covid-19? Yep, and two boosters. >Do you regret it or not? Nope.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 3 22:53:19 2022 No.14726838 Never got it, never needed it. I think I had the Chinese Flu at one point, but it could have also been regular old flu. I didn't get tested and it wasn't that bad, didn't even miss any work days.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 01:26:39 2022 No.14727062 >>14723916 Bitter at the goverment for doing what they told you to do?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 02:39:39 2022 No.14727172 >>14725228 Did you get your shots at a pharmacy like everyone else or did they have an event for employees?

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 03:28:19 2022 No.14727240

>>14722808
>Have you taken the vaccine for covid-19?
Yep
Chinkpharm 2 and AZ and Moderna as boosters
If you want you can count 1 J&J taken in NY when they were promoting health tourism. Which it's pretty weird considering it's the USA.
>Do you regret it or not?
No, nevertheless I had no Covid despite all my family had.
They do work or I'm just naturally immune
>bonus. Pain?
Not more than a flu shot, except AZ, that felt like the needle was still there for a week.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 03:32:57 2022 No.14727247 >>14727172 Pharmacy like everyone else. They did have an employee one in a conference room here but I didn't go. I consider vaccinations a medical procedure, I don't want to get one done around people I work with every day.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 05:37:32 2022 No.14727426 >>14727247 Good job, retard.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 07:23:18 2022 No.14727591 >>14722808 >Have you taken the vaccine for covid-19? Yes. >Do you regret it or not? I do regret it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 07:24:07 2022 No.14727592 >>14727591 Why?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 07:25:14 2022 No.14727595 I got 2 doses and i’m indifferent, i took them to be able to travel abroad and go my gym. Didn’t feel worse or better, just nothing. So i guess it worked like it should.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 07:37:44 2022 No.14727621 >>14722808 I've taken pfizer, moderna, j&j, astrazeneca and now i will drink sputnik from blood of russians while fighting for our jewish overlords in ukraine. Still got covid.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 07:46:14 2022 No.14727644 >>14727592 Same as anon>>14726806 Got it for school, turns out it wasn't necessary, and I broke my conviction.

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 07:51:31 2022 No.14727651
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No vax. Feeling great, healthier than ever.
In contrast, all my co-workers got the vax, then got sick. Got boosted, got sick. Then they got Covid anyway.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 07:53:05 2022 No.14727653 >>14727644 >I broke my conviction. What conviction? Aren't you vaccinated against all other things as well, like rubella, measles, tetanus etc.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 07:57:38 2022 No.14727656 >>14726535 PCR tests are roulette wheels for detecting covid.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 08:04:28 2022 No.14727661 >>14723021 >got covid before the vaccine >gets vaccine anyway >works in medical field How many people have you killed from your incompetence?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 08:07:26 2022 No.14727664 >>14723916 >irrational Its very rational. You were lied to and abused, and you know it. Remember not to let them do it again.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 08:09:41 2022 No.14727665 >>14724205 Kids arent affected by covid. You were lied to.

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 08:10:10 2022 No.14727668

>>14727656
By that logic, paternity tests can't be used in court. Also, that would mean, STI tests would be roulette, yet I've never tested positive for anything and I've done a few tests.
No idea if they test blood donations with PCR or antigen tests, but I haven't tested positive for anything in about 20 donations either.

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 08:14:32 2022 No.14727671

>>14727664
>Its very rational.
If it was a year ago and that anon is fine, what could happen now? Even if it was risky. I got the Pandemrix shot when I was 17 or 18, and when they found out that it can cause narcolepsy in young people, I didn't feel great about it, but by then it was obvious that I didn't get it, so there's no rational reason to feel guilty or regret it. More like "ok, I was one of the 19,999/20,000 that didn't get it"

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 08:16:01 2022 No.14727673
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>>14726687
Canadian health minister admitted theres around 1/5000 chance of mycarditis from the vaccine. Thats what they are willing to admit.
https://toronto.citynews.ca/2022/07/15/dr-moore-covid-vaccine-ontario-myocarditis/

Remember when it started out as safe and effective? And now we are here talking about how many potential deaths it may have caused? Media and politicians sure love long walks backwards....

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 08:18:18 2022 No.14727679 >>14727653 >"vaccines" vs vaccines Havent you heard the covid shot is just a therapeutic now? My ibuprofen is a great pain vaccine.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 08:20:23 2022 No.14727682 >>14727671 What does side effects have to do with being lied to be people you had faith in? People regret getting it because they felt they were lied and tricked into doing something.

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 08:23:53 2022 No.14727686

>>14727668
So the PCR test isolates the covid virus and no other virus with near 100% accuracy?
Oh wait we already know it doesnt. Local test facilities dont even let you get tested unless you already have symptoms because they know the tests are shit and will test positive on people who are obviously not sick.

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 08:28:27 2022 No.14727692

>>14727679
So what's that conviction? Not to take mRNA vaccines? If my best friend's master thesis wasn't on DNA-based "cancer vaccines", I wouldn't even have known that stuff like that exists/is being researched until 2 years ago. I never heard of viral vector vaccines until the AstraZeneca and J&J Covid vaccines. How can you have a conviction against that? Did you know any of these things 3 years ago?

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 08:30:53 2022 No.14727695

>>14727686
> the PCR test isolates the covid virus and no other virus with near 100% accuracy
No it doesn't isolate anything. It replicates certain RNA and is highly specific about it.
Again, you're asking the question: if it tests positive on people without it, then how come paternity tests don't turn out positive for random people? If you and me did a paternity test, what's the chance that I turn out as your father according to the test? Will I have to pay child support then?

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 08:38:32 2022 No.14727710

>>14727692
>trying to shift between two arguments and pretending like they are the same thing
Firstly, you cant presume his convictions, which is obviously a personal experience.
Next, if he has a conviction, then violating it because of lies or tricks would cause him to regret it.
Then, comparing covid therapy injections to real vaccines is dishonest at best and lying at worst. It does not give any form of immunity, in fact there was no way of knowing since it was invented quickly and distributed without any valid studies by third parties or for long term effectiveness or side effects, for a disease which was just discovered.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 08:40:45 2022 No.14727717 >>14727695 Because the tests for covid have been empirically observed to give a significant amount false positives and paternity tests have not? Like, just use you eyes and read results. Stop listening to tv.

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 08:47:38 2022 No.14727727

Never had the vaccine
Was worried about the disease around Delta times but wanted to wait before taking a vaccine as I considered it experimental
Just a reason for governments to get people back to work, rushed out the door for economic reasons
So I waited to see how the general population would respond to the shots, medically speaking
This is around the time where the debates around the vaccines were making the rounds
Disliked how even friends and family were pointing fingers at me for waiting things out, calling me a "denier"
Then it became a matter of principle for me not to take it
And now with Omicron the risk/benefit ratio is totally different and vaccination serves no purpose
Vaccination now doesn't prevent infection or community spread whatsoever, might as well get sick for a day or two and move on
Especially since this virus evolves faster than vaccines can be developed, science will always be 5 steps behind

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 08:48:02 2022 No.14727728 Yes, I got the Johnson vaxx, and yes, I regret it. I wouldn't be surprised if I die of a heart attack or cancer in the next 20 years. Either way, it offered no benefit to me and I memed myself into taking it.

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 08:52:21 2022 No.14727732

>>14727710
>you cant presume his convictions
That's why I was asking what this conviction is exactly. I know, some vegans won't take a vaccine that is produced with the help of chicken eggs, some fundamentalist Christians wont take a vaccine that was developed with certain immortalised cell lines from aborted foetuses.

What lies or tricks led to him violate his conviction/principle? "This vaccine isn't produced with chicken eggs. Psych! It totally is"?
>It does not give any form of immunity
Well, it does, against the ancestral type the efficacy was 95%, against omicron it's virtually nothing (not sure if significantly different from zero, or not, but it's small). Each year's flu shot has a chance of being ineffective against that year's dominant strain, and in most cases it provides no immunity for the next year. We still call them vaccines.
>in fact there was no way of knowing since it was invented quickly and distributed without any valid studies
The invention is typically the shortest part. I think, that can be done in a matter of days or weeks. The challenging part is proving efficacy and safety. There were studies with some 40,000 participants in which no severe adverse effects were observed, yet a clear reduction of infections compared to the control group.
> by third parties
That would be highly unusual. Do you know any vaccine that had the admission studies conducted by a third party? The national (or EU) admission agencies evaluate the studies though, and they did
> for long term effectiveness
Didn't really matter for the initial admission. Even short-term effectiveness is good
>or side effects,
Side effects were studied. That took by far the longest time of those studies.

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 08:54:07 2022 No.14727733

>>14727717
So... what causes the same technology work in one case and fail so horribly in the other? Apart from translating RNA to DNA once, they are the same thing.

Did it ever occur to you that the reports of false positives might be fake or blown out of proportion?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 08:54:33 2022 No.14727735 >>14727651 My experience too, unvaccinated and unboosted, haven't gotten sick yet.

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 08:55:49 2022 No.14727738

>>14727728
>if I die of a heart attack
If you're legitimately worried, see your GP and ask for an ECG.
>or cancer
Wouldn't that have been found already in the millions of vaccinated people? Even early-stage cancer. And if there's no early-stage cancer after a year, what would cause it 20 years from now?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 08:57:02 2022 No.14727739 >>14727735 I'm vaxxed and boosted and haven't gotten it (my parents have two weeks ago, but I hadn't visited in a while). I don't think, anecdotal data is evidence for anything.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 09:03:59 2022 No.14727745 >>14722808 >Yes >Hell no, antivaxxers are just fucking gay

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 09:04:59 2022 No.14727747 >>14722853 >I know there's at least 30% chance it will give a false positive You're a fucking idiot. No better than the dumb zoomers that get their education off tiktok

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 09:09:42 2022 No.14727763 >>14727739 except your own anecdotal evidence, right? Or the anecdotal evidence from Faucci and Biden and pharma?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 09:12:21 2022 No.14727766 >>14727733 Ah yes, because paternity tests have so many false positives and covid (which was just discovered) is just easily detected. How "blown up" are the reports? What are the "real" reports that you have?

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 09:17:34 2022 No.14727772

>>14727763
>except your own anecdotal evidence
No, obviously not. Otherwise I would claim that it's 60% effective, since me and my siblings haven't gotten it. In reality, we're just all not very sociable and don't meet too many other people.
>Or the anecdotal evidence from Faucci and Biden and pharma?
Neither Fauci, nor Biden have claimed to conduct any research or "research" themselves. Biden isn't even a scientist, he's a mummy and I don't even know if he had a job other than politician back when he was still a living human being. The evidence of controlled, representative studies isn't anecdotal.

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 09:17:37 2022 No.14727773

>>14727732
>it was totally "safe and effective", trust us!
>you can just invent vaccines in weeks
>Side effects were studied!
Oh yea, Im sure they knew all the side effects in the 2 months of rushed testing to give plausible evidence it wont instantly kill you. Unlike every other medicine ever invented which was tested over years. Fucking idiot. You really love SCIENCE (TM).

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 09:19:53 2022 No.14727775 >>14727772 >The evidence of controlled, representative studies >he thinks pharma gives a shit about accurate studies when they are about to make billions with zero liability Pharma is lying to you, again, just like every other time. lol, lmao even.

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 09:25:35 2022 No.14727779

>>14727766
You already said basically this. Am I talking to a GPT-3 bot?
It doesn't matter how long we know a certain sequence of nucleic acids to detect them in a specimen. PCR tests don't magically become better if that string of letters lies in a drawer for 10 years.
>How "blown up" are the reports? What are the "real" reports that you have?
Completely. I'm not aware "real" "reports", since it's a well-known technology. If it's positive, there was the RNA or DNA you were looking for. The sequences for different kinds of viruses are publicly available, you can see for yourself that influenza and SARS-2 are nothing alike.
The reports I did see were more concerned with the deductions from a test result. If you find virus RNA, does it mean that the patient is still infectious? There's no way to distinguish RNA from active viruses from viruses your immune system destroyed. There were reports that patients still have DNA days, or even weeks after an infection when they couldn't infect other people anymore. But the fact that they have that RNA in their throat or nose, and they have or had an infection prior to the test is undisputed.

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 09:35:27 2022 No.14727790

>>14727773
>in the 2 months of rushed testing
Phase 3 of the study began in July and the FDA authorised the vaccine in December.
Yes, if nothing shows up in 5 months, there's good reason to assume that nothing will show up after that. But if you wanted to be more cautious than the FDA, you could have waited a bit longer. Ok, personally I could only get it in June 2021, so 11 months after the Pfizer study started, and by then they still didn't find anything.
>Unlike every other medicine ever invented which was tested over years.
What good is testing for years? Adverse effects either happen or they don't. They don't suddenly occur after years. That simply hasn't ever happened, so why would it now? Do you even know what takes so much time in regular authorisations? The main reasons have nothing to do with safety, and are either economic or bureaucratic. You normally don't launch a phase 3 study when the phase 2 study doesn't show economic prospects. Government agencies normally don't give feedback before the studies are conducted, so you conduct a study, hand it in, wait for their feedback, if they want to see something you haven't handed in, you go back to the lab etc. Here, the FDA, EMA etc. told the pharma companies exactly what they want, so they could get everything together much faster.

Let me repeat: No vaccine in history caused adverse effects that staid dormant for a year and then suddenly made the patient sick. This hypothetical scenario is not why normal procedures take years.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 09:36:41 2022 No.14727792 >>14727775 >Pharma is lying to you Well, if anything, pharma would be lying to the FDA. If the FDA couldn't manage to see through their lies, how could you or I?

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 09:57:42 2022 No.14727824

>>14727775
How can you be so uncritical and oblivious? Be realistic.
We don't have evidence that they lie. We don't have evidence that they tell the truth either. We also don't have the knowledge or resources to prove our true their claims. You can't say that they lied with any certainty just as you can't say that you know it's the truth.
Don't they teach critical thinking in schools or universities anymore?
I assume, you and me have roughly the same knowledge. With that knowledge we can say
>I (don't) believe that they are honest
>I am (not) convinced that they properly studied the safety
>I (don't) expect further adverse effects to be discovered (with a rate of greater/less than n in 100,000)
>I (don't) believe that adverse effects can appear after a certain amount of time

You are making a complete fool out of yourself by claiming to know things we cannot logically know.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 10:10:35 2022 No.14727832 >>14722893 this make sense, if somebody died from the vaccine at least he wont carry the virus to infect our precious medical staff

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 10:40:56 2022 No.14727877

The dumbest reason I heard for people to take the vaccine came from my dad
"I'm a rebel, so I just let them put whatever they want in me"
Those were literally his words. This is your brain on neoliberalism. Be a rebel, and let the system define what rebellion means. And in every instance, it means obedience to the system. Liberals are in power top to bottom, but they always think they're the underdog even when they rule the world.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 11:32:33 2022 No.14727938 >>14727877 If your peer group is full of Qtards, then getting the vaccine is actually rebellious.

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 11:36:16 2022 No.14727947

>>14727695
Listen up man, i am anti jab but just do an RT-PCR test. It looks for traces of specific RNA sequences in your body unique to covid, and if they match that means its present in your body. The false "positives" are mostly from people who have starins of covid in their system but systems, either due to high immunity or a low virus load.

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 11:48:46 2022 No.14727961

>>14727947
>but just do an RT-PCR test
I have done maybe 30-40, since my workplace offered repetitive testing and all you had to do was spit in a tube. I didn't get tested positive once. A few times I got an email that my pool of 8 samples tested positive and a few hours later that my sample tested negative. So these 30% false positive rates claimed here are just ludicrous. The probability is less than 1 in a million to get 40 negative results if the chance of a false positive is 30%.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 14:18:06 2022 No.14728222 >>14722808 yes and yes

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 15:32:39 2022 No.14728362 >>14722808 Got two pfizer shots in 2021. No booster. Have never knowingly had covid. Didn't experience any side effects from vax. Don't regret it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 16:43:26 2022 No.14728555 >>14727779 >>14727790 >>14727792 >>14727824 >these abhorrent posts justifying the now obvious lies we were all told to us since the start >"safe and effective" Science is trucking dead, long live the true science(tm)!

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 16:54:34 2022 No.14728586 >>14727653 I didn't want a vaccine for a bug which does me no harm. As a child I couldn't make those choices on my own. I got the chinapox shot when I was already old enough to refuse.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 17:14:34 2022 No.14728621 >>14728586 So you'll never get a flu shot?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 18:24:35 2022 No.14728763 >>14728555 PCR tests have been around for about two decades now. They're known to be reliable for almost any DNA sequence.

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 18:29:54 2022 No.14728773

>>14722808
I didn't get vaccinated, and I don't regret it. I have no comorbidities and I had a plan to treat myself if I was infected. That happened in January, it was very minor, and I've been fine since then despite numerous exposures to covid-positive people.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 18:30:11 2022 No.14728775 >>14728621 Over your dead body.

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 18:31:33 2022 No.14728780

>>14722853
Standard PCR is just an anterior swab now, not the "stab your brain" variety. I know people who had to get PCR tests frequently and I'm not aware of any false positives. Even if it did come back positive, so what, you would just have to postpone your surgery for a few weeks.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 18:32:33 2022 No.14728781 >>14722893 Dude, why go about it in such a roundabout way? Just shoot yourself. You can't get infected if you're dead. Everyone is being so selfish.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 18:35:42 2022 No.14728792 >>14725099 To be clear, they didn't get it twice, they rebounded because Paxlovid doesn't clear the virus, it only halts replication for five days, and the vaccine reduces the immune system's ability to clear the virus during those five days.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 18:36:26 2022 No.14728793 >>14728781 ? He did shoot himself, didn't you read his post.

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 18:37:29 2022 No.14728799
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>>14722808
No and never will
I will lead the schizo revolution and personally subject the so called Doctor Anthony Fauci and all pop "scientists" to the buck breaking machines

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 18:38:50 2022 No.14728802 >>14722808 No and no. My mother has been vaxed and boosted and is currently coming out of her second case of vid, I had it once and it felt like a bad headcold. I'm young and relatively healthy so low risk.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 18:38:54 2022 No.14728803 >>14727732 >Well, it does, against the ancestral type the efficacy was 95% That number was a lie, which is another reason some people are upset. They were tricked into getting something by people they should be able to trust based on false numbers.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 18:40:30 2022 No.14728806 >>14728792 >the vaccine reduces the immune system's ability to clear the virus during those five days. Yeah.. because that's..... what vaccines do. What?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 18:47:08 2022 No.14728828 Stop calling experimental injections a vaccine, idiots.

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 18:51:32 2022 No.14728836

>>14728806
The original trial for Paxlovid included both vaccinated and unvaccinated people. The vaccinated arm was dropped when they realized Paxlovid wasn't helping. Israel then did a trial with a vaccinated and unvaccinated arm, and found Paxlovid was only efficacious for the unvaccinated. The reason why it's failing in the vaccinated, with massive rebound rates, it's up for debate, but the vaccines are known to lower some markers of innate immunity. Another hypothesis is that, similar to allergen immunotherapy, the vaccines are training the immune system to become tolerant of the spike antigen rather than targeting and clearing it. There's reasons to believe the latter is true. It turns out the vaccines lead to exosomes expressing the spike protein for at least four months after injection. The immune system would have to dial down, otherwise there becomes a major risk of autoimmune attack (which is elevated in the vaccinated). We can validate this even further using a recent study showing that the vaccinated were less likely to clear a covid infection after a week compared to the unvaccinated.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 18:57:40 2022 No.14728848 >>14722808 no, but i wanted, and i think antivaxxers are idiots

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 19:09:50 2022 No.14728869 >>14728848 >tv man said they are dumb! >I believe popular thing and science (tm)! We are clapping for your success bro! Congrats!

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 19:20:48 2022 No.14728900

>>14728836
>The reason why it's failing in the vaccinated, with massive rebound rates, it's up for debate
I was about to say, that sounds like wheelchairs help cripples more, so the uncrippled must have a disadvantage.
>the vaccines are known to lower some markers of innate immunity
Are you referring to the Tucker Carlson stuff from two weeks ago?
>It turns out the vaccines lead to exosomes expressing the spike protein for at least four months after injection.
Isn't that a good thing?
>We can validate this even further using a recent study showing that the vaccinated were less likely to clear a covid infection after a week compared to the unvaccinated.
If it's the study that was posted here several times: no. The study doesn't show that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 19:32:10 2022 No.14728924 >>14728799 Based

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 19:50:48 2022 No.14728961

>>14728900
>Are you referring to the Tucker Carlson stuff from two weeks ago?
I don't watch Tucker, no. I'm talking about lower levels of interferon, exhaustion of specialized B-cells that limit a broader response if infected, etc.

>I was about to say, that sounds like wheelchairs help cripples more, so the uncrippled must have a disadvantage.
Anon, that...is a weird stance to take. The vaccinated group that received Paxlovid had a much higher risk of severe covid than the unvaccinated group that received Paxlovid. Who's crippled again? Who's suffering month-long bouts of COVID-19? I can't see any way you can twist that into a positive, even at a group level that's terrible, since it's increasing the amount of time a person could infect others.

>Isn't that a good thing?
Having an inflammatory antigen sticking around does not seem like a good thing, no. Remember when we were told the spike protein was gone in weeks, and how THAT was a good thing? So now that was bad, and it's good that it does linger?

>If it's the study that was posted here several times: no. The study doesn't show that.
This?

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2202092

How does it not show that?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 19:51:12 2022 No.14728963 >>14728869 >we take a pill

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 19:54:17 2022 No.14728970 >>14728961 >This? >https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2202092 >How does it not show that? that's not a study

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 19:59:17 2022 No.14728981 >>14728970 Do you have an actual decent critique instead of being pedantic?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 20:00:35 2022 No.14728984 >>14728963 I'm sure you have a whole pantry of pills you take daily.

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 20:08:13 2022 No.14728996

>>14728981
not making distinction between study and a commentary is not a matter of being pedanantic, you claim study shows that vaccinated clear virus slower, yet this commentary doesn't mention it, in fact it says:
>There were no appreciable between-group differences in the time to PCR conversion or culture conversion according to vaccination status, although the sample size was quite small, which led to imprecision in the estimates (Figure 1D and 1E).
you're the one that made conclusions not some study or a real scientist

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 20:12:42 2022 No.14729007

>>14728981
Notice he drives the topic away from the efficacy and safety of covid injections/treatments? Hes just shilling what TV man told him, but he doesn't have any counter points so he just babbles on about any tiny detail he can misconstrue.
We went from "100% safe and effective" to "its killing less people than you say it is!"
Theres no debate, the evidence is clear, the question is what will we do about it? Government, media, and pharma have completely obliterated trust in science and replaced it with "SCIENCE (TM)", and we have shills on a crusade here to defend it.

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 20:17:27 2022 No.14729018

>>14728996
>you claim study shows that vaccinated clear virus slower, yet this commentary doesn't mention it, in fact it says:
I don't care what the commentary says. I'm looking at the actual data, and it gets progressively worse by the number of doses received.

Viral clearance by ten days:
Unvaccinated - 23 / 24 = 95.8%
Vaccinated - 52 / 55 = 94.5%
Boosted - 20 / 24 = 83.3%

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 20:30:11 2022 No.14729047

>>14729018
obviously you don't understand statistics, math or science in general, yet you think you're capable of reaching a valid conclusion from the data it's own author stated is too small and leads to imprecision. wew, guess you're smarter than a group of scientist you quote as an authority, and who reached the completely opposite conclusion.
>I don't care what the commentary says
yeah...

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 20:55:31 2022 No.14729110

>>14729047
>wew, guess you're smarter than a group of scientist you quote as an authority
I didn't quote their words, I quoted their data. :-) Their words also don't match the data. They stated there were no major differences in conversion times, but that's obviously not true. Contending that the data isn't reliable due to a small sample size is valid, but that's no reason to lie about what the data showed.

But regardless, do you have a decent hypothesis for why Paxlovid leads to higher rates of hospitalization in the vaccinated when controlling for age groups?

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 21:12:15 2022 No.14729176

>>14729110
>I didn't quote their words, I quoted their data. :-) Their words also don't match the data. They stated there were no major differences in conversion times, but that's obviously not true. Contending that the data isn't reliable due to a small sample size is valid, but that's no reason to lie about what the data showed.
the research they performed didn't have a goal to compare vaccinated and unvaccinated, the goal was to compare delta with omicron. that's why they didn't care to set up for kind of results you want. if i go out somewhere in america and meet 3 black people, should i conclude 100% of americans are black? what do i need to do to get realistic results, not only concerning sample size but sample placement (could i just sample 500.000 people from baltimore and call it a day?)

>But regardless, do you have a decent hypothesis for why Paxlovid leads to higher rates of hospitalization in the vaccinated when controlling for age groups?
i have no idea what's that about, didn't really follow the covid recently, any links to research?

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 21:36:21 2022 No.14729257

>>14729110
>I didn't quote their words, I quoted their data. :-)
Should've quoted the words then if you're incapable of interpreting the data. Have you heard of uncertainties?
>but that's no reason to lie about what the data showed.
It's not a lie to say that there is no difference within the uncertainty. It would be a lie to state the numbers without their statistical uncertainties and claim that there is a significant difference, like you did. But you know this already.
Do I even need to ask where you drew
>The vaccinated group that received Paxlovid had a much higher risk of severe covid than the unvaccinated group that received Paxlovid.
from? Is this also "your own interpretation"? And by "your own" I mean some internet guy you believe more than the people who published that data.

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 21:40:41 2022 No.14729261
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>>14729176
>the research they performed didn't have a goal to compare vaccinated and unvaccinated, the goal was to compare delta with omicron.
I find it interesting that there's no studies evaluating viral clearance in unvaccinated and vaccinated post-Omicron. It's almost like they abandoned looking into it once the vaccines failed to show a benefit. The only study I can find sort of looking at it was looking directly at viral load for the first five days, and showed only a mild benefit if boosted, and none in the double vaccinated. It would have been more revealing if they continued following until everyone (or nearly everyone) had cleared the virus.

>i have no idea what's that about, didn't really follow the covid recently, any links to research?
There's the original study that gained it approval, which again, dropped the vaccinated arm without explanation. Then Israel studied it and stated an overall benefit, but when looking at vaccination status (or what they call "prior immunity," and in this case, a single dose of the vaccine counted as no immunity), the risk was by far the lowest in the unvaccinated group who received Paxlovid.

https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-1705061/v1

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 21:47:04 2022 No.14729276

>>14729257
>Should've quoted the words then if you're incapable of interpreting the data.
Words lie, data does not.

>It's not a lie to say that there is no difference within the uncertainty.
That's not what they said...a very good example of lying with words.

>It would be a lie to state the numbers without their statistical uncertainties
Are you going to pretend I didn't provide the link for others to look at?

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 21:50:59 2022 No.14729287
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>>14729110
>do you have a decent hypothesis for why Paxlovid leads to higher rates of hospitalization in the vaccinated when controlling for age groups?
Honestly? The hypothesis is that you're either heavily misinformed or trying to spread false information.
>Both Paxlovid and adequate COVID-19 vaccination status were associated with significant decrease in the rate of severe COVID-19 or mortality with adjusted HRs of 0.54 (95% confidence interval [CI], .39–.75) and 0.20 (95% CI, .17–.22), respectively. Paxlovid appears to be more effective in older patients, immunosuppressed patients, and patients with underlying neurological or cardiovascular disease (interaction P < .05 for all). No significant interaction was detected between Paxlovid treatment and COVID-19 vaccination status.
To dissect this:
>the vaccine still cuts the risk of dying by 80%
>the vaccine is far more effective than paxlovid (although it is also not bad)
>the effectiveness of paxlovid does not depend on the vaccination status. Look at the error bars which overlap mostly.
So...
>why Paxlovid leads to higher rates of hospitalization
That's not in the paper: https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciac443/6599020?login=false

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 21:52:19 2022 No.14729292 >>14729276 >Words lie, data does not. Correct. The data shows no significant difference, yet your words claim it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 21:55:29 2022 No.14729298 >>14729287 Wrong paper. :-) Already provided here >>14729261.

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 21:59:34 2022 No.14729318

>>14729292
>The data shows no significant difference
What the authors said, since you want to quote them, is that it showed no "appreciable" difference, which is not a scientific description of the difference. That's a word used subjectively. They weren't talking about a statistically significant difference, which seems to be what you're driving at. Just about anyone would agree that >>14729018 is more than an appreciable difference. If you were told you were going to be shot and had a 95% chance of survival vs 83%, you would take the 95%. If you want to argue the numbers are too small to make a firm conclusion, then fine, but in that case, you have no evidence for the vaccine improving viral clearance in the Omicron-era.

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 22:06:55 2022 No.14729343
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>>14729298
>Wrong paper. :-)
Your screenshot mentions neither the vaccine, nor paxlovid. Also, the hazard ratios are again not different within their uncertainties.

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 22:10:02 2022 No.14729355

>>14729318
>They weren't talking about a statistically significant difference
Jesus fucking Christ, look at those graphs, the error bars overlap by like 80%. You can see the statistical significance by eye. There's absolutely no observable difference in the data and if you aren't trolling, you should pick up a book and not get your information from /pol/ but rather use your own brain.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 22:11:35 2022 No.14729357 >>14729343 >Your screenshot mentions neither the vaccine, nor paxlovid. It's the HR for patients treated with Paxlovid, you noticed the link, yeah? >Also, the hazard ratios are again not different within their uncertainties. 95% CI.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 22:11:55 2022 No.14729358 >>14729355 So then the data is inconclusive at best and useless at worst? Why even publish something that says your new medicine does fucking nothing?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 22:12:56 2022 No.14729364 >>14729355 >You can see the statistical significance by eye. Doesn't matter, we suck, trust the authors, who didn't say that.

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 22:14:17 2022 No.14729367
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>>14729357
>95% CI.
>actually, I'm retarded, but not because of the word you incorrectly used, but because of a related, yet different point.
Are you trying to burn yourself now?

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 22:16:54 2022 No.14729377

>>14729358
>So then the data is inconclusive at best and useless at worst?
No. If you consider all data that doesn't find what you want to find as inconclusive or useless, then you're not doing science. The data show no difference, that's the conclusion here.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 22:19:01 2022 No.14729382 >>14729377 > The data show no difference Yea, so then why would you take their new medicine if i t does nothing?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 22:21:01 2022 No.14729393 >>14729364 You mean the authors who write >Across both age groups, lack of prior Covid-19 immunity and a previous hospitalization were variables most significantly associated with high rates of hospitalizations due to Covid-19.

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Anonymous Thu Aug 4 22:23:17 2022 No.14729397

>>14729382
My problem is, you folks are so retarded that no matter how stupid the things are that you write, it will be a possibility that someone actually believes this. I guess this makes it the perfect trolling position. No matter what you do, some legitimate antivaxxer will always one-up you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 22:24:59 2022 No.14729401 >>14729394 Oh, it gave up and now goes through its /pol/ directory. Sad. Can you at least acknowledge that the sources you posted identified the vaccine as the most important factor of risk reduction?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 22:32:11 2022 No.14729418 >>14729397 What the fuck are you saying? You said their study showed it made no difference to use their medicine. How is that "anti-vax"?

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 22:39:27 2022 No.14729446

>>14729418
Ok, for the 5% chance that you're really that dumb:
The immunity has no significant impact on the effectiveness of the drug. It makes no difference if you're vaccinated or not. If it made no difference it you take the medication or not, that would be something completely difference. If that were true only for vaccinated people, that would actually confirm your claim, but it isn't and therefore it doesn't.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 22:40:39 2022 No.14729450 >>14722808 Yes, fully vaccinated and boosted. No.

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 22:46:42 2022 No.14729461

>>14722808
yes. 2 shots when it first became available to healthcare workers.
Got sick last month and was out of breath just walking down the street.
I'm still coughing some weeks later, but I believe paxlovid antiviral helped 5 days in.
I suspect I would be in a worse position if I didn't have the vaccine antibodies at all and wish I got around to getting a booster.

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 22:51:48 2022 No.14729474

>>14729461
>it helped 5 days in
>Colds usually last 3 to 7 days, but sometimes they hang on as long as 2 weeks
>Uncomplicated influenza signs and symptoms typically resolve after 3-7 days for the majority of people, although cough and malaise can persist for >2 weeks

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 22:52:17 2022 No.14729476 Got two doses last year and wish I didn't. New praxis is that pozblasting each others assholes is acceptable risk so why the fuck did I have to mask around boomers for two years?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 23:00:17 2022 No.14729490 I never got it. My school said they required it but I just never took it and they never said anything

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 23:06:36 2022 No.14729510
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>>14729401
>Can you at least acknowledge that the sources you posted identified the vaccine as the most important factor of risk reduction?
That was my first post in this thread and I gave no sources other than reality. kek

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 23:07:59 2022 No.14729517 File: 355 KB, 1280x1280, x10100101001.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The "vaccines" have harmed more people than the Wuhan Lab virus has.

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 23:08:54 2022 No.14729519
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>>14722808
I didn't. Never masked up, never isolated, nothing. Lived my life and it was/is awesome. The vaxx was not scientifically sound to take it due to extreme lack of objective evidence that it works. The creator also said don't take it, so, ya know...

The few friends that did take it all regret it. One now has something wrong his eye that happened a day after he got the booster. Another friend now has these weird bumps around the injection site that wont go away. It's been over a year. Another friend said his tinnitus got horrific and I believe him as he is now suicidal due to the intense tinnitus. He knows he fucked up by taking the jab and has no self respect for himself now either. I think he will actually commit suicide soon.

Remember kids, Facebook and twitter are not scientists and they do not care about you. They are rich people who want more money and power. Never forget that.

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 23:37:42 2022 No.14729581

>>14729367
>using "ackchyually" as some kind of insult against someone who didn't even use it
First, you don't understand the "actually" insult. Second, there's a 95% chance Paxlovid does jack shit in the vaccinated, and about a 40% chance it will result in a rebound infection.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 23:39:30 2022 No.14729584 >>14722808 Yes. No.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 23:40:03 2022 No.14729585 >>14729393 That has what to do with Paxlovid?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 4 23:41:04 2022 No.14729588 >>14729461 >I'm still coughing some weeks later, but I believe paxlovid antiviral helped 5 days in. The average person clears the infection within 5-7 days.

Anonymous Thu Aug 4 23:57:16 2022 No.14729614

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.06.21.22276724v1.full.pdf
>Our study showed that the vaccination rates were higher in patients who developed COVID-19 rebound than in those who did not, suggesting that vaccination was not a major contributor for COVID-19 rebound. While both drugs were tested in clinical trials that included only un-vaccinated populations, our study provided evidence that rebound occurred in largely vaccinated (89.5%) real-world populations and that rebound increased over time.

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>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 04:15:23 2022 No.14730038 >>14729585 Vaxx > Paxlovid

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 04:16:25 2022 No.14730039 >>14729581 >there's a 95% chance Paxlovid does jack shit in the vaccinated ?????

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 04:18:13 2022 No.14730040 >>14730038 Enjoy your rebound infection.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 04:19:17 2022 No.14730041 >>14729614 >preprint

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 04:19:59 2022 No.14730043 >>14730041 >if we don't review it, we can act like it doesn't exist

Anonymous Fri Aug 5 04:24:51 2022 No.14730048

>>14722808
>Have you taken the vaccine for covid-19?
Yes.
>Do you regret it or not?
No. It's cool to use new medical technology. Vaccines have prevented a lot of disease, have developed sincere their inception, and will continue to improve.
People who are paranoid of it don't understand the science behind clinical trials and are opinions not even worth considering.
With enough money most problems/cures/treatments/prevention are solvable now days.
But at the end of the day, their body their choice. None of my business.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 04:25:29 2022 No.14730049 >>14730043 Who's "we"? Pretend what doesn't exist? >that vaccination was not a major contributor for COVID-19 rebound ?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 04:27:01 2022 No.14730053 >>14730048 >People who are paranoid of it don't understand the science behind clinical trials Kek.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 04:28:48 2022 No.14730056 >>14730049 >vaccination rates were higher in patients who developed COVID-19 rebound than in those who did not >rebound occurred in largely vaccinated (89.5%) real-world populations and that rebound increased over time

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 04:32:03 2022 No.14730061 >>14722808 >Have you taken the vaccine? Yep. A year ago. >Do you regret it? No because I'm not a paranoid cry baby, and I am around immunocompromised people often.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 04:33:47 2022 No.14730064 >>14730056 >not corrected for age Let's wait for the rower review, shall we? Hyperventilating about preprints is so 2020.

Anonymous Fri Aug 5 04:38:50 2022 No.14730072

>>14730064
Well it was claimed the rebound rate was 1-2% during the unvaccinated trial, not the 5% shown in this paper. And almost immediately, people started pointing out the 1-2% was bullshit based on real world evidence. So either Pfizer cooked the numbers in the initial trial, or Paxlovid performs much worse in the real world where a large portion of the population is vaccinated.

Anonymous Fri Aug 5 04:47:12 2022 No.14730083

>>14722808
Never took it.
Work with 10 other guys, only 4 of us are yet to catch it and 2 of us are the only 2 who refused the "vaccine".
I've been in contact with sick people many times, including at my house. I'm wondering if I'm one of the immune or asymptomatic people

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 05:03:35 2022 No.14730100 >>14730048 The COVID therapeutic injection is not a vaccine. You were lied to. Turns out youre just dumb, and now you have to defend liars to protect your ego.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 06:06:52 2022 No.14730182 >>14722808 I've taken the vaccine, both shots plus booster. No observable side effects, no COVID despite being exposed multiple times I dont regret my decision at and am unsure why anyone would

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 06:08:39 2022 No.14730186 >>14730083 >all the people around me keep catching COVID but I dont even though I am unvaccinated You are a carrier, a modern day Typhoid Mary

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 06:20:23 2022 No.14730198 >>14730083 It's almost guaranteed you've caught it and just stayed asymptomatic.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 06:24:57 2022 No.14730202 >>14722808 no, somewhat glad i didnt take it, its a big flex i can talk about. i also had covid once, nothing too bad. definitely wasnt worth the risk of taking a experimental vaccine.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 07:07:37 2022 No.14730279 never took it and currently suffering from covid

Anonymous Fri Aug 5 07:20:44 2022 No.14730313

Got the vaccine and had bad short-term side effects, didn't get any booster, got covid omicron a year later and it was pretty bad (was very similar to the vaccine side effects but for longer). I don't regret the vaccine but I also don't regret skipping the booster. If I didn't get anything would I have caught it earlier when the more harmful variant was most common? Would the symptoms I did have be worse? There's no way to know for sure. I definitely won't get another covid booster and I probably won't get any vaccine that has uncomfortable side effects unless there's a truly disastrous disease, it's not worth the fucking effort.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 07:23:06 2022 No.14730318 >>14729647 Yes, abolish the police.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 07:23:41 2022 No.14730320 >>14730313 Which vaccine did you get? Sounds like what my AstraZeneca vacsisters told me.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 07:27:13 2022 No.14730334 >>14722808 ive had the first dose of pfizer, but thats it. yeah i regret it. turns out i didnt need it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 07:42:10 2022 No.14730353 >>14730198 >>14730186 I've done plenty of tests for work, PCR and RAT

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 08:01:17 2022 No.14730388 >>14730353 >PCR Nuff said, Typhoid Mary.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 09:08:25 2022 No.14730511 >>14730279 this shit SUCKS

Anonymous Fri Aug 5 09:12:14 2022 No.14730519

>>14730511
Yeah I'm not really keen on catching it. Some people are okay, orhers describe it as the worst flu of their lives. At least the times are over when a lot of people had to be treated in hospital for it. I'm torn between getting another shot just to avoid being sick for 1-2 weeks. IIRC, it's not officially advised, so I might have to pay for it though. But at least they don't advise against it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 13:17:29 2022 No.14730915 >>14730100 Source? Evidence of any kind? Do you know what a vaccine even is?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 13:31:07 2022 No.14730937 >>14729517 Are you one of the people who consider death to be blissful release of mortal coil?

Anonymous Fri Aug 5 15:40:58 2022 No.14731212

>>14726687
>What is the likelihood of dying from the vaccine itself and nothing else? Give me evidence of this, sources that tell of it’s fatality rate.
I wish I could give you the data by age group but it seems impossible to find the raw numbers. I only find "age-adjusted" studies which indeed show higher risk for the vaxxed but shills then proceed to reply i-it's because older people are more vaccinated

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 15:42:20 2022 No.14731215 >>14726806 >for school >>14727644 >Got it for school Underage nigs

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 15:43:34 2022 No.14731217 >>14722808 No I havent take it, yes I regret not getting one but I just supplement with onions.

Anonymous Fri Aug 5 15:44:05 2022 No.14731219

>>14731212
>which indeed show higher risk for the vaxxed
NTA, but he wanted to see death from the vaccine. If even a single person dies from the vaccine, the rate is infinitely times higher than the one of the unvaccinated. No unvaccinated person died from the vaccine, obviously.

Anonymous Fri Aug 5 15:45:12 2022 No.14731223

>>14731212
>shills then proceed to reply i-it's because older people are more vaccinated
but it is, how can you ignore one of the fundamental facts any research on topic you talk about has to include. it's mind-boggling you want to compare death rates among unvaccinated teenagers and almost universally vaccinated risk groups.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 15:55:46 2022 No.14731254 >>14727653 >c-c-convictions? t-that doesn't exist!

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 16:12:48 2022 No.14731312 >>14727692 >So what's that conviction? Not to take mRNA vaccines? Not him but to not comply with coercion over something that only benefits corporations and associates like politicians

Anonymous Fri Aug 5 16:19:39 2022 No.14731335

>>14727727
>So I waited to see how the general population would respond to the shots
When I had workers in the street telling me to not get the vaccine because they knew someone who fucked by it I was sure this was a killshot

The publicized (although not very known) rate for SEVERE adverse reactions for the moderna vaccine is 0.4% according to the brazillian health ministry (for some reason they didn't publish the rates for the other vaccines). In reality it's probably 2% or more for ALL the clotshots

Anonymous Fri Aug 5 16:22:41 2022 No.14731345

>>14727732
>against the ancestral type the efficacy was 95%
Wrong
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(21)00069-0/fulltext
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/02/19/969143015/long-term-studies-of-covid-19-vaccines-hurt-by-placebo-recipients-getting-immuni
https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateVaccines/comments/r7xsg9/reminder_more_people_died_in_the_pfizer_trial/

Data was evidently manipulated, the FDA is obviously not interested in safety and science (and whatever honest scientists were there resigned due to this).

Anonymous Fri Aug 5 16:33:14 2022 No.14731377

>>14727738
>Wouldn't that have been found already in the millions of vaccinated people
Why would it? What are the positive and negative incentives for scientists, agencies and doctors to admit a drug they claimed was safe and effective and that was pushed through coercion actually gave people cancer?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 16:34:37 2022 No.14731384 >>14727790 >Yes, if nothing shows up in 5 months, there's good reason to assume that nothing will show up after that Just like myocraditis didn't show up in the trials

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 16:38:03 2022 No.14731391 >>14728806 Just get your 5th shot and free the human genome from your stupidity

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 16:39:31 2022 No.14731395 >>14728900 What PR agency are you from?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 16:46:45 2022 No.14731409 >>14729287 >the vaccine still cuts the risk of dying by 80% Bullshit https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/11/world/asia/indonesia-java-buduy-sunda-wiwitan.html

Anonymous Fri Aug 5 16:50:09 2022 No.14731414

>>14729519
>I believe him as he is now suicidal due to the intense tinnitus. He knows he fucked up by taking the jab and has no self respect for himself now either. I think he will actually commit suicide soon.
Good, record it for us and remember to tell him to wear a mask

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 16:52:37 2022 No.14731421 >>14730048 >People who are paranoid of it don't understand the science behind clinical trials I know I'm not the one supervising them https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-39054778 Feel free to be an unpaid guinea ping though

Anonymous Fri Aug 5 17:02:14 2022 No.14731449

>>14731345
>plebbit
The mask finally has fallen. Go back.
Nevertheless I've clicked your links:
1. some guy writing a comment on how ARR would be better than RRR. Spoiler: everyone will have contact, so they are the same.
2. an article on how they didn't leave the placebo group vulnerable after the vaccine was deemed to be safe enough for everyone else. Wouldn't it be very shitty if the people around you could get vaccinated, yet you'll remain the placebo?
3. not clicking

Anonymous Fri Aug 5 17:05:04 2022 No.14731459

>>14731377
>What are the positive and negative incentives for scientists, agencies and doctors to admit a drug they claimed was safe
I know, they all speak through the same television to you, but scientists are not a hive mind. Most scientists in the world didn't do research on the safety of that particular vaccine. Actually, several things were found, but due to statistics rather late. First they found the blood clots, AstraZeneca causes in young women (I think like 10 died in Germany), then they found the myocarditis in young men from mRNA. What incentive did the people have who described and published this?

Anonymous Fri Aug 5 17:05:10 2022 No.14731462

>>14730915
>Do you know what a vaccine even is?
Nice try but the change of definitions for the sake of profit and politics was very well documented
https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_breakingnews/cdc-changed-definition-of-vaccine-because-of-covid-19-vaccines-emails_4083638.html
https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=50886
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/11/30/fact-check-merriam-webster-changed-vaccine-definition-accuracy/6354415001/

Anonymous Fri Aug 5 17:13:26 2022 No.14731492

>>14731223
>but it is
You miss the part where the study authors say they already accounted for that by adjusting for age

>how can you ignore one of the fundamental facts any research on topic you talk about has to include
Why do you pretend all those studies who say they have adjusted for age do not consider what you're claiming?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 17:15:30 2022 No.14731499 >>14731449 >ad hominem The mask finally has fallen. Not reading the rest, I'm not in the mood to argue with morons and glowies https://www.globalresearch.ca/cointelpro-techniques-for-dilution-misdirection-and-control-of-an-internet-forum/5309987

Anonymous Fri Aug 5 17:25:08 2022 No.14731525

>>14731459
>know, they all speak through the same television to you, but scientists are not a hive mind
They are swept under the rug if they don't act like it though
https://www.wsj.com/articles/fauci-collins-emails-great-barrington-declaration-covid-pandemic-lockdown-11640129116
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9062939/

>but due to statistics
Due to quarterly profits you mean

>First they found the blood clots
"They" didn't find anything, parents had to report this shit in mass and then the CDC, media and similar vaccine apologists had to cave in after previous studies by independent researchers recognized the parents weren't lying.

>What incentive did the people have who described and published this?
Altruism? Who knows, i can say they didn't have negative incentives in particular since those publications were not being published by the cdc and other parties with vested interests in maintaining the status of the clotshots as ssafe and effective until they couldn't pretend they weren't happening with arguments like "fringe journal", " pre-print", etc

Anonymous Fri Aug 5 17:59:05 2022 No.14731641

>>14731492
you don't need to "adjust for age" you need to adjust for health risk. so compare people with diabetes of the same age, vaccinated vs not vaccinated that got covid. there are probably handful of studies, if any, comparing mortality of the same risk groups vaccinated and not vaccinated because it's, on the one hand silly, like publishing research that people need to drink water to stay alive, on the other hand majority of people at risk already got vaccinated thus making it a moot point beside being hard to find big enough strata. maybe the manufacturer done one at the beginning, and some bored scientist might got pissed off by memes, but all the live results from hospitals were evident with delta at the time vaccination still wasn't huge, overwhelming majority of dead in hospitals were unvaccinated.

Anonymous Fri Aug 5 18:03:02 2022 No.14731666

>>14731641
>you don't need to "adjust for age" you need to adjust for health risk
When that's done what will by the next goal post you shills will move to? Confounded variables?

Interestingly no one care about the standards you require to prove clotshots are harmful when comparisons of vaccinated vs unvaccinated were made that favored the clotshots

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 18:19:36 2022 No.14731722 >>14731666 >When that's done what will by the next goal post you shills will move to? you obviously have no clue about science, keep spamming your shitty memes bro

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 19:01:52 2022 No.14731858 >>14722963 Kill yourself

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 19:29:06 2022 No.14731949 File: 53 KB, 294x373, shh.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Tic Tac the vaxxed, you are being exterminated

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 19:30:14 2022 No.14731952 >>14731949 https://www.bitchute.com/video/XnejyYAx9ayQ/

Anonymous Fri Aug 5 19:47:50 2022 No.14732002

>>14731666
Just look at the studies that were already posted in this thread. The vaccine is effective according to them:

>>14729287
>adequate COVID-19 vaccination status [is] associated with significant decrease in the rate of severe COVID-19 or mortality with adjusted HR[...] 0.20 (95% CI, .17–.22)

>>14728961
This shows that the risk for hospitalisation of unvaccinated (without prior immunity) is ~6 times as high as for those with prior immunity (table 2)
>vaccination has been shown to reduce the incidence of infection and the severity of disease

The risk drops to only about 20% after the vaccination. There is no room for doubt left.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 19:52:31 2022 No.14732013 >>14732002 >The vaccine is effective according to them: They don't compare age groups neither they compare similar health backgrounds beyond not being infected previously. In short, they're not up to your own standards.

Anonymous Fri Aug 5 19:54:24 2022 No.14732017

>>14732002
>This shows that the risk for hospitalisation of unvaccinated (without prior immunity) is ~6 times as high as for those with prior immunity (table 2)
>vaccination has been shown to reduce the incidence of infection and the severity of disease
>The risk drops to only about 20% after the vaccination. There is no room for doubt left.
Weird, why would a tribe of antivaxxers have zero covid deaths then?
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/11/world/asia/indonesia-java-buduy-sunda-wiwitan.html

What could possible be more effective than vaccines to people who are exposed to covid from travelers, yet arenteven hospitalized? Perhaps it's the blessed bamboos they use?

Anonymous Fri Aug 5 19:59:11 2022 No.14732034

>>14722808
Took the J&J back in spring of 2021. I regret it heavily.
My intention is to join the military reserves to fund the rest of college and pay off my loans but I'm not getting another jab.
I was pressured into getting the first one by my parents and I felt like an animal being taken to the vet when I got it.
Fuck boomers, fuck this gay Chinese flu, and fuck the government.

Anonymous Fri Aug 5 20:13:21 2022 No.14732072

>>14731952
>da jooos
I guess we need to ignore the non-jewish big pharma ceos and the jewish antivaxxers, otherwise pol's mythology of le evil jew boogeymam doesn't quite work
https://forward.com/fast-forward/461865/zelenko-spouts-conspiracy-theories-anti-vaxx-sentiment-in-viral-video/

The video doesn't even get it right, the three "jews" mentioned at the start are just europeans
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leif_Johansson_(businessman)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St%C3%A9phane_Bancel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Gorsky

But I guess whites always dindu nufin right? Judge the individual when he's white, judge the group if it's a jew (unless the jew is a good jew, then it's just an exception)

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 20:19:09 2022 No.14732091 >>14732072 Look, all i'm saying is that all jews need to be exterminated and basically you're THE plague of this plane. Death to you and your family, and that's just my opinion, no need to be hostile like that.

Anonymous Fri Aug 5 20:22:01 2022 No.14732101

>>14722808
I have not, and I have no ragrets. I've had it three times and it was a mild fever, cough, disorientation and headache each time, with the first infection being most severe and the third least severe. First time I had it I missed two days of work and then recovered over the weekend. Most recently I felt sick for half a day and recovered by next day.

Anonymous Fri Aug 5 20:26:18 2022 No.14732118

>>14732013
>They don't compare age groups
They isolated the individual factors, which is a thousand times better than just defining age groups. You remind me of my late grandfather who looked at my dad's new Hi-Fi stereo and said "it doesn't even have AM radio"

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 20:27:44 2022 No.14732122 File: 451 KB, 1564x1564, 1659727561548789.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Troost the sooience

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 20:28:51 2022 No.14732126 >>14732017 >Weird, why would a tribe of antivaxxers have zero covid deaths then? Weird, maybe because they just didn't have many cases. Maybe anecdotal evidence isn't a rebuttal to scientific publications with proper data analysis.

Anonymous Fri Aug 5 20:29:33 2022 No.14732127

>>14732091
>Look, all i'm saying is that all jews need to be exterminated and basically you're THE plague of this plane.
Oh yes, da jooos
https://www.weforum.org/about/leadership-and-governance
https://www.younggloballeaders.org/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BCnther_Schwab
https://www.bitchute.com/video/eH9ujhwY0vWD/

>Death to you and your family, and that's just my opinion, no need to be hostile like that
My opinion is that you're a schizophrenic with an irrational hatred for jews and a very simplistic mind, you can't even understand that there are evil people and good people in every group.

Maybe you're one of those cut americans, it would make more sense for you to hate protestants in that case

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 20:29:52 2022 No.14732130 >>14732034 >fuck the government. >wants to become a soldier and die for ~oil~ his government

Anonymous Fri Aug 5 20:32:04 2022 No.14732137

>>14732118
>They isolated the individual factors, which is a thousand times better than just defining age groups
What individual factors? Are there any studies compared vaccinated and unvaccinated in relation to myocarditis isolating the same "individual factors"?

If thwyreso much better than defining age groups why the fuck shills first response is muh age when you show elevated deaths among vaxxed?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 20:32:41 2022 No.14732140 >>14732017 > the Baduy themselves believe it’s their way of living and remoteness from congested, urban life that has spared them. Outside visitors are few. How the fuck do you draw >people who are exposed to covid from travelers From this?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 20:33:05 2022 No.14732142 >>14731949 yeah, tell that to the israel which is giga vaxed

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 20:33:18 2022 No.14732143 >>14732126 >maybe because they just didn't have many cases. Wow, so their bamboos prevented cases too? And much more effectively than the clotshots? What a miracle cure. If you read the article it gives you the number of cases so far by the way.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 20:37:19 2022 No.14732155 >>14732130 >military reserves Fair point, I should have qualified that I mean National/Coast Guard. As far as I understand it reservists don't do any fighting, anyway, though. I just want the equivalent of right-wing welfare.

Anonymous Fri Aug 5 20:38:43 2022 No.14732160

>>14732017
>Through the first year and a half of the pandemic, up to June 2021, there were zero Covid cases reported. The first was recorded in July last year, and there have been a total of eight known cases through mid-June, according to Iton Rustandi, a local health official.
So... zero out of eight. What's the statistical significance here?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 20:39:43 2022 No.14732161 >>14732155 Why not just ordinary welfare? Or a job.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 20:44:11 2022 No.14732168 >>14722808 No and I don't regret it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 21:14:35 2022 No.14732247 >>14732140 Either you havent read the entire article or you lack reading comprehension

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 21:15:37 2022 No.14732248 >>14732160 >What's the statistical significance here? That blessed bamboos are more effective than vaccines

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 21:21:43 2022 No.14732256 >>14732248 More than one in eight vaxxoids dies?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 21:34:30 2022 No.14732280 >>14722808 Yes Pfizer 2x + booster I have no caught covid once despite not masking ever, and I've never felt healthier

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 21:38:37 2022 No.14732290 >>14732280 Do a d-dimer test

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 21:58:44 2022 No.14732317 >>14732290 I'll get one Monday and reply when I get my results

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 22:08:05 2022 No.14732329 >>14732127 Why yes, protestants are satanists, and so also jews. The god of this world accept any and all in his service after all. Death to jew, and death to the antichrist.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 22:14:36 2022 No.14732341 >>14732329 >The god of this world A gnostic scum?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 22:44:27 2022 No.14732385 >>14732341 Lucifer the Satan is the god of this world. Only willful demons and the metaphysically retarded believe otherwise.

Anonymous Fri Aug 5 22:56:01 2022 No.14732420

>>14732385
>Lucifer the Satan is the god of this world.
Ok retard, go join your gnostic troupe and eat their fruits (communists, nazis, fascists, protestants, progressists, all the revolutionaries essentially who have the gnostic view of world le bad must be remade)

>Only willful demons and the metaphysically retarded believe otherwise.
You can't even stay one week without wasting seed coomer, don't dare calling anyone metaphysically retarded when you don't have an ounce of spiriutal and character development

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 23:22:04 2022 No.14732468 >>14732420 Tikkun olam is jewish doctrine. The world cannot be healed, and trying to do so only mark you as a slave to the immortal psychopath.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 23:40:29 2022 No.14732504 >>14732468 >Tikkun olam is jewish doctrine. and? this isn't a revolutionary movement trying to reshape the entire world in the image of some utopia

Anonymous Sat Aug 6 00:00:10 2022 No.14732532

>>14727732
>There were studies with some 40,000 participants in which no severe adverse effects were observed

Because they excluded tons of adverse reactions as "being unrelated". Ar the end of the day we can go back and forth but actions speak louder than words and daid companies, and the CDC, fought a FOIA to get all the testing information releaded at once. That says alot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 6 00:02:34 2022 No.14732540 >>14730318 >Yes, abolish the police. Absofuckinglutely! Cops = big leftist government goons.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 6 00:02:46 2022 No.14732541 >>14727790 >What good is testing for years? Adverse effects either happen or they don't. Thats not true and there have been medications and vaccines pulled years after their approval because long term studies revealed a major issue

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>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 6 00:13:33 2022 No.14732561 >>14732002 >This shows that the risk for hospitalisation of unvaccinated (without prior immunity) is ~6 times as high as for those with prior immunity (table 2) So similar to Vitamin D. I wonder why only vaccines were made mandatory?

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 6 00:16:07 2022 No.14732568 File: 39 KB, 720x720, FDA.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14732561 >So similar to Vitamin D. I wonder why only vaccines were made mandatory? Money in vaccines. Vitamin D is cheap and no doctor visit required.

Anonymous Sat Aug 6 00:16:37 2022 No.14732571

>>14732017
>Weird, why would a tribe of antivaxxers have zero covid deaths then?
Are 70% of them overweight? COVID-19 is definitely dangerous for certain demographics, but the risks are incredibly small for someone in decent health (aka not overweight, not extremely old, not diabetic, etc).

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 6 00:18:12 2022 No.14732573 >>14732568 That's awfully cynical. We should stop taking Vitamin D, because reasons. https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensalzberg/2022/08/01/stop-taking-vitamin-d-already/

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 6 00:19:14 2022 No.14732575 >>14732571 >Are 70% of them overweight? No Taxing fat people would be far better of a solution than destroying international economy

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 6 00:30:07 2022 No.14732598 >>14732573 kek!

Anonymous Sat Aug 6 00:49:36 2022 No.14732628
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>>14732573
Wasn't the reason because they don't make a difference or did I misunderstanding the article. I know vitamins help prevent the chance of minor sickness but don't cure the body or am I realying on faulty information?

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 6 01:36:30 2022 No.14732709 >>14732628 >or am I realying on faulty information >>14732628 >realying yes

Anonymous Sat Aug 6 01:38:42 2022 No.14732712

>>14732628
The study he used as evidence is paywalled, but according to the summary, Vitamin D supplementation didn't lower fracture risk in a population that was considered healthy and wasn't screened for vitamin d deficiency. The study was also looking at n-3 fatty acids, which based on other studies can increase fracture risk, so I'm not sure why they were looking at it as though it would be beneficial. I'm assuming there was a Vitamin D arm, an n-3 arm, an arm with both, and a control, but the summary doesn't make that clear. Regardless, if the population was already vitamin d sufficient, then I wouldn't expect additional vitamin d to lower fracture risk. and if n-3 was supplemented with it, then it could have cancelled out any potential benefit to fracture risk. But Vitamin D sufficiency is known to provide plenty of benefits, the most notable in current times is reducing risk and severity of viral infections, including COVID-19. Several studies have looked at whether it's correlation or causation, and it's clearly causation. I think it's just silly that a columnist would take a "see, I told you!" attitude over a single study looking at one effect in a population that was admittedly healthy. And whether it's intentional or not, I don't see why someone would take such a stance against something that has a better safety profile and more efficacy against COVID-19 than just about anything else available.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 6 01:41:06 2022 No.14732719 >>14730388 Never had a positive PCR. The issue is with false positives, not false negatives. You're not playing with a full deck son

Anonymous Sat Aug 6 01:46:27 2022 No.14732730

>>14730915
Depends if you use the old pre-covid vaccine definition or the one they changed.
The shots do nothing to give you immunity or stop you spreading it, they are now only claimed to lessen symptoms (debatable)
This isn't a therapeutic gene treatment then what is?
mRNA is a huge failure, just admit it and stop swallowing the lies. Lies from an authoritative source are still lies.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 6 05:50:54 2022 No.14733109 >>14732712 I was told that vit D help prevent the risk of covid but I never looked up any studies or data proving/disproving.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 6 06:57:27 2022 No.14733247 >>14732329 Jesus was forgiving from the cross. Whose fruits do you really bear?

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 6 07:42:18 2022 No.14733328 >>14733247 Forgiveness is not unconditional, filth. Stop being wicked, and THEN seek ( not expect ) forgiveness.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 6 07:52:08 2022 No.14733347 >>14733328 Ok Pharisee.

Anonymous Sat Aug 6 07:56:31 2022 No.14733353

>>14733328
>Forgiveness is not unconditional
Shut up, messenger of satan. Jesus died to forgive our sins. Do you really think that our lord and saviour dying at the cross has less impact that some silly condition you come up with?
>Hello, God here, I just sacrificed my son, but you skipped going to church that one Sunday in 1987, which outweighs the death of Christ, so you go straight to hell

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 6 08:00:26 2022 No.14733361 >>14733353 >sacrificed my son never happened you retarded christshit

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 6 08:03:15 2022 No.14733366 >>14733361 >Israelite who still hasn't realised that the messiah has come two thousand years ago. Keep waiting then.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 6 08:49:11 2022 No.14733426 >>14722853 Don't take any swabs, they're laced with nanobots.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 6 09:07:04 2022 No.14733452 >>14733426 Really? Then surely someone took a swab, held it under a microscope and took a picture of them, right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 6 09:17:53 2022 No.14733474 >>14733452 ...right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 6 09:53:04 2022 No.14733529 >>14733426 >>14733452 >>14733474 Apparently not.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 6 11:35:32 2022 No.14733676 >>14733347 Inversion is the mark of Evil. Inversion is your very nature, Jew. >>14733353 >living in Sin >revelling in Sin >openly worshipping the god of this world >=skipping church one sunday Death to you and your kin, wicked filth, unholy advocate.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 6 12:16:30 2022 No.14733779 >>14722808 yes, pfizer 2x and booster no

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 6 12:22:45 2022 No.14733799 >>14733676 The Lord will judge your soul.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 6 12:28:25 2022 No.14733815 >>14733799 Fortunately I will have gotten rid of my soul before then.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 6 16:06:14 2022 No.14734448 >>14722808 No, no. What a stupid question.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 6 16:09:48 2022 No.14734458 >>14733815 I'm sure you have already, heathen

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 6 23:45:11 2022 No.14735662 >>14730915 >Do you know what a vaccine even is? >A medical treatment which imparts immunity against a specific disease. Are we just pretending like vaccines never actually gave immunity? Its defining trait as a medical treatment?

Anonymous Sat Aug 6 23:46:34 2022 No.14735666

>>14735662
They don't, nobody ever said this ever. Do your research before posting such ignorance, either that or your political motivation. They don't stop you from getting the virus. I'll get as many boosters as I can, because that's the right thing to do and you'll suffer for it because of your ignorance.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 7 02:15:19 2022 No.14735957 >>14722893 This, you people are >>>/pol/ tards who belong there. The vaccine is safe and effective. Get real, live in reality. Touch gross, talk to someone IRL. Idiots.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 7 02:17:16 2022 No.14735966 >>14722808 I've socially isolated myself so never really had a reason to get it

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 7 02:29:38 2022 No.14735998 >>14735966 Haven't you heard? Loneliness and isolation can now cause heart attacks and strokes. Time to get the vaccine so you can start touching grass and getting the sex (with non-binary folx). For your health.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 7 02:37:49 2022 No.14736013 >>14735957 >Touch gross Why?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 7 03:12:36 2022 No.14736070 >>14736013 You've delved too deep into false articles and alt right youtube channels that's why. You are a being brainwashed.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 7 03:22:37 2022 No.14736088 Already got Covid so didn’t see the point in getting vaccinated.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 7 03:46:49 2022 No.14736145 >>14736088 You could've gotten vaccinated to protect others. Asshole.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 7 03:59:57 2022 No.14736175 >>14736070 What's that have to do with touching something gross?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 7 04:00:59 2022 No.14736177 >>14736145 But getting covid leads to better protection than getting vaccinated. If you wanted to protect others, you should have gotten infected and isolated early on. You're a selfish asshole.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 7 04:06:07 2022 No.14736191 >>14736175 get a grip >>14736177 no it doesnt that's just propaganda made by the alt right >>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 7 04:21:27 2022 No.14736219 >>14736191 Sure. https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 7 04:28:52 2022 No.14736238 >>14736219 >posts article to a pop sci website Good source, conspiracy tard. Can't wait for what else you have in store, lunatic.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 7 04:30:00 2022 No.14736241 >>14736219 You don't contribute to society much do you?

Anonymous Sun Aug 7 04:40:12 2022 No.14736262

>>14736238
>>14736241
That was literally the first link in Google, which also contains a link to the study. I don't know if you're being a troll, or legitimately believe the covid vaccines are superior to immunity from infection, but either way you're doing a disservice to everyone.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e1.htm
>During May–November 2021, case and hospitalization rates were highest among persons who were unvaccinated without a previous diagnosis. Before Delta became the predominant variant in June, case rates were higher among persons who survived a previous infection than persons who were vaccinated alone. By early October, persons who survived a previous infection had lower case rates than persons who were vaccinated alone.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1
>This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 7 04:44:29 2022 No.14736272 >>14736262 >2 studies linked to anti-vaxxers equates to reality My god, I bet you also believe the Earth is flat. I've seen enough.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 7 04:45:08 2022 No.14736274 >>14736272 Wrong time to be a sarcastic troll, friend.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 7 04:46:06 2022 No.14736277 >>14722808 yes, no the first two shots were amazing, it's been over a year since I had such a refreshing sleep booster sucked, gave me a headache the next day and my arm was tender

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 7 05:03:47 2022 No.14736316 File: 55 KB, 601x601, 145234891564.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14722808 No

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 7 05:15:32 2022 No.14736337 >>14736274 >n-no you're a troll because I called you out Yeah ok, keep believing the vaccine is bad or fake Alex Jones watcher.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 7 05:49:15 2022 No.14736390 >>14722808 Yes I couldn't afford to pay the fine

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 7 06:21:02 2022 No.14736425 >>14736390 What fine?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 7 07:05:35 2022 No.14736482 >>14736425 He voluntarily got the vax, thats all that matter :)

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 7 07:25:58 2022 No.14736508 >>14725555 By my calculations you've got about 2 weeks. Sorry chud.

Anonymous Sun Aug 7 07:43:57 2022 No.14736525

>>14727732
>There were studies with some 40,000 participants in which no severe adverse effects were observed, yet a clear reduction of infections compared to the control group

Placebo Group
>14 deaths
>150 Severe adverse events
>30 Severe Covid cases

Pfizer Vaccine Group
>15 deaths
>262 Severe adverse events
>1 Severe Covid case

Sure it reduced Covid, but in totality the vaccine recipients were worse off.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110345 (supplementary appendix)

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 7 12:39:40 2022 No.14736960 >>14722808 What's there to regret you fucking moron? OP is a dumbass faggot.

Anonymous Sun Aug 7 17:57:44 2022 No.14737607

>>14736337
The sad thing is I can't tell if you're being a troll or not. There really are people who somehow believe immunity after infection isn't robust because the CDC went so long refusing to acknowledge it. But even the CDC now admits that infection-acquired immunity is superior >>14736262, though they're still pushing for so-called hybrid immunity.

Anonymous Sun Aug 7 18:01:26 2022 No.14737613

>>14727732
>The challenging part is proving efficacy and safety. There were studies with some 40,000 participants in which no severe adverse effects were observed, yet a clear reduction of infections compared to the control group.
Reduction in "covid-like illness" was about 20% compared to the placebo group, not exactly a sterling result. But they only tested a very small percentage of those people for covid, and then concluded efficacy was 95%. In other words, failure to test either missed A LOT of covid cases, side effects were so severe that they were being mistaken for covid, or other viruses were leading to covid-like illness at a very high rate. The experimental group also had a higher rate of severe adverse events and death.

Anonymous Sun Aug 7 18:59:38 2022 No.14737752

>>14737613
Sorry, youre supposed to trust that pharma companies, that have sold literal poison to people multiple times, adequately tested a brand new drug, just invented for a disease just discovered, in only a year, and earning billions of dollars in the process, while being granted legal immunity and secret contracts.
Its just science my dude.

Anonymous Sun Aug 7 19:34:39 2022 No.14737832

80% of the population sterilised itself, and will die by 2025.
This is truly wonderful.
The sodomorrah of our time will end like sodomorrah, befitting.

The next iteration of the civilisational cycle will be truly wonderful, what heights will we reach before the jews corrupt and destroy it again.

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