Overpopulation Discussion Thread

[Anonymous No.14716801]

What is your opinion on overpopulation? Can science help prevent it?

I believe that sex education is not enough to prevent extreme overpopulation, people will always follow their instincts. So what can we possibly do?

[Anonymous No.14716809]

medcare?

[Anonymous No.14716811]

>>14716809
no that wouldn't do anything

[Anonymous No.14716821]

>>14716801
Elites are already depopulating, problem is they want depopulation for everybody but themselves.

[Anonymous No.14716842]

>>14716821
do you have any proof of that?

[Anonymous No.14716897]

>>14716801
it's a non-issue

we're already about 70% the way to 11 billion people, and that's where the global population will start to trend downwards. impoverish nations with high birth rates are getting less poor by the day, as long as we continue to help them their birth rates will slow just as the ones in europe/north america have.

this could change if we have a large near-extinction event driving the infant mortality rate back up, but in that case overpopulation wouldn't be a concern either.

[Anonymous No.14716899]

>>14716842
not him but it seems that their actions give away their intentions

[Anonymous No.14716905]

>>14716801
>what can we possibly do?
Systematic violence and intimidation campaigns against your cult and your handlers.

[Anonymous No.14716913]

>>14716801
>What is your opinion on overpopulation? Can science help prevent it?
It's a complete meme, a scientific fraud used to impose more control
https://www.pop.org/overpopulation-myth/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27Ktr1mxP2g

[Anonymous No.14716921]

>>14716913
Obviously, it's not overpopulation per se. It's white overpopulation that must be fixed. This isn't some /pol/-tier complaint. It is the mathematical consequence of the current demographic trajectories in Europe and the US. Good ol': If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

[Anonymous No.14716923]

>>14716921
>this isn't some /pol/ tier complaint

it sure reads like one, anon. what are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.14716927]

Ending aging/rejuvenation.

[Anonymous No.14716928]

>>14716923
>muh /pol/ is bad CUZ IT JUST IS.
nice attempt, but this does in no way refute my argument, does it?

[Anonymous No.14716931]

>>14716928
i don't even understand your argument, why don't you rephrase it?

[Anonymous No.14716937]

>>14716801
It is almost a solved problem, it's basically a problem of how fast we want yo depopulate, fertility rate isn't going to rise ever again regardless.

[Anonymous No.14716954]

>>14716801
If you're upset about overpopulation then you should kys, that would solve the problem.
Screeching about "there isn't enough resources available on earth for my personal use, therefore other people should cease to exist" will buy you no sympathy.
It is a mortal lock certainty that you would never express your feelings about how others should die in order to allow you to hog more resources to yourself outside of an anonymous forum, due to your cowardly fear of the inevitable consequences.

[Anonymous No.14716956]

>>14716842
Everything they do points directly towards it.

[Anonymous No.14716959]

this is a forum slide thread

we already have 1 overpopulation thread
see >>14707865


OP didn't like loosing arguments in previous thread, so they just abandoned it and made a new one.

[Anonymous No.14716965]

>>14716801
The only reason overpopulation is an issue is because governments want complete control.

[Anonymous No.14716971]

>>14716801
Watch this
https://youtu.be/nmhEOQuUahU

[Anonymous No.14716974]

>>14716971
He never gets the volume right does he.

[Anonymous No.14716981]

>>14716801
>overpopulation
Same way as it was done in the 1st world
- women get political rights (voting, standing as a candidate)
- women get economic rights (divorce, inheritance)
- women get judicial rights (equal to men as witnesses etc.)
- functioning pension system (so children aren't the only insurance for old age)

It's the only way that has worked, in all of human history.

[Anonymous No.14716985]

>Be banker elites
>be threatened by populace banding together to deprive you of your "legally" acquired wealth.
>need a solution
>send boat loads of grain and medical supplies to africa
>when population reaches a breaking level, foment war and unrest
>fleeing population heads north
>fund boat trips across the med

[Anonymous No.14716992]

>>14716801
>Can science help prevent it?
Unironically just shrink people

[Anonymous No.14716996]

>>14716981
Turns out America has already failed to implement this in places like Afghanistan

[Anonymous No.14717043]

>>14716985
>africans end up believing the conspiracy theories and end up killing the bankers too for muh colonialism
Heh, not a well-thought out plan was it?

[Anonymous No.14717058]

>>14716971
I like Eds theory that contraception and feminism are the fundamental cause of the dysgenic IQ collapse.

[Anonymous No.14717063]

>>14717043
Just stage a couple of false flags and direct them to attack the natives.

[Anonymous No.14717149]

>>14716954

[Anonymous No.14717163]

>>14716954
also i never said ppl should die so that i have more resources schizo faggot, i said preventing overpopulation

you prob assumed that though because you're scared of someone stealing your food or some shit fatass piece of shit kys

[Anonymous No.14717199]

>>14717149

[Anonymous No.14717252]

>>14716954
>upset about overpopulation
>killing people
said every brainlet ever

[Anonymous No.14717255]

>>14716897
Overpop also increases stress in cities, jungle people need money so they annihilate the forest and Africans are invading the migration routes of many animals
>>14716801
Man, grab an african couple give them IntraUterineDev plus 500 dollars, tell them about a stress-free future and they will stop

[Anonymous No.14717291]

we already know how to farm enough food
we already know how to house enough people
we already know how to generate necessary utilities

the problem is that the wealthy just don't want to stop hoarding the value of other people's labor

the more poor people there are, the less likely they will have the ability to hold onto their vast amount of resources

because ultimately, overpopulation isn't an issue when everyone freely shares resources

whenever you see overpopulation used as a scare tactic it's "we don't have enough resources to support life"
we do, it's just that everyone who has more than 10x what they need to survive (average millionaire) won't be able to easily keep their millions if it isn't earned directly through their own labor

doctors, lawyers, even some politicians will likely be able to keep making millions
CEOs, stock traders, landlords likely will not be able to keep their finger in the pie

This isn't even a globalist thing, this could be relegated to a single country and everything I'm saying would be accurate

[Anonymous No.14717307]

>>14716801
The environment has been fucked royally by overpopulation everywhere in the world, yes it is a problem and you'd have to be blind or a corporate shill to disagree

[Anonymous No.14717308]

>>14716981
And failed to implement this in America due to immigration

[Anonymous No.14717383]

We are in both a state of severe overpopulation and a state of severe underpopulation. Overpopulation has never been a concern because the people who were reproducing so quickly were intelligent and innovative. This resulted in continual development of science and technology that always fixed the would-be problem. This is why Malthus wasn't just wrong, but was predestined to always be wrong. However our modern problems are not the same as those older problems. Nowadays the intelligent people who were responsible for advancement are having very few children. In a vacuum this would just be a major inconvenience. Things would slow for a few generations until culture changed and those people started having children again. In reality, however, they are not the only group. There is a very large group of people, much larger than the aforementioned, that are unintelligent and non-innovative. These people would undergo population collapse in a similar way to how animals do as they do not posses the means to solve their problems. Even this would not be enough to be a catastrophe on its own. The main problem comes when the two groups mix and intermingle. The innovation of the intelligent group will not be enough to keep up with the growth of the unintelligent group. The unintelligent group will become a larger and larger portion of the population while the intelligent group becomes a smaller and smaller portion. This will make the overall intelligence plummet, farther reducing the rate of innovation. The only solutions are to strictly limit the growth of the unintelligent group or reverse the decline of the intelligent group and make them have massive growth.

[Anonymous No.14717393]

>>14717383
>The main problem comes when the two groups mix and intermingle.

and there it is. i congtatulate you, it took you almost your entire wall of unbased and opinionated non-fact to finally out yourself as a racist, but you got there eventually. return /pol/

[Anonymous No.14717400]

>>14717393
Okay, retard.

[Anonymous No.14717401]

>>14717383
your a homosexual pedophile who masturbates to children's cartoons

[Anonymous No.14717403]

>>14717401
See >>14717400
Pic is irrelevant to you though.

[Anonymous No.14717422]

>>14717393
>opinionated non-fact
>this is what malthusfags actually believe

[Anonymous No.14717436]

>>14717393

[Anonymous No.14717460]

>>14717393
He didn't even say anything about race...

[Anonymous No.14717485]

what the fuck is going on i just wanted to discuss solutions to overpopulation

[Anonymous No.14717489]

>>14717485
Well you came to the heckin' wrong place duderino.

[Anonymous No.14717499]

>>14717485
if you are upset about overpopulation then you should do something about the problem by committing suicide. virtue signaling on the internet for goodboy points isn't going to have any positive effect on the problem you claim to be concerned about and you know it.

[Anonymous No.14717505]

>>14717043
>africans end up believing the conspiracy theories and end up killing the bankers too for muh colonialism
famished poorfags won't have the ability to kill anyone except their equally famished neigbours, to steal their last shitty meal.

[Anonymous No.14717507]

>>14717489
yea true

i never understood why there are so many retarded white supremies that are so obsessed with the white race that they find a way to involve it in every single topic, they fixate over it until they become incels

[Anonymous No.14717508]

overpopulation isn't even a problem honestly, the problem is that most of the wealth and resources get hoarded by a minuscule % of the human race.

If we had correct resource allocation and management, we could have 15 billion people and it would still wouldn't be an issue. The problem is that we have Jeff Bezos having the net worth of a small latin american nation while people are starving in fucking Rwanda or some shithole like it.

Problem is also that nobody fucking cares and have been wired for the past 70 years to think against their best self interest and to be averse to anything collective. Just look at Americans and how they think having accessible Healthcare for everyone seems like something taken out of the pits of hell.

[Anonymous No.14717509]

>>14716801
STOP ALL THE POOR IGNORANT VIOLENT
STARVING SAVAGES FROM BREEDING

[Anonymous No.14717516]

>>14717499
yes i am virtue signalling on 4chan, an anonymous image board stfu and stop pretending to be an armchair psychologist captain autism

[Anonymous No.14717518]

>>14716801
Overpopulation is only a problem in India, China, and parts of Africa.

Stop sending aid to African countries. Survival of the fittest will kick in and the surplus will die off. The only reason so many are there is because we keep sending them fucking free food. It sounds cold but many of those children only exist because of rich foreigner guilt fueling all the fucking with free food in the first place.
China has a surplus of men that will eventually die without breeding and something like 35% of their population is 45 or older meaning they're either exiting their breeding years or have long since left them behind and now they'll just die.
India has an even larger male surplus and many of them will die alone and childless as well.
The cost of both countries being guilty of infanticide against girls in favor of boys because one is more valuable to the workforce than the other.

[Anonymous No.14717521]

>>14717508
honestly i do think this is more of a symptom than a problem, the underlying problem is that we can't share. the only way for us to function with any reliability as a society on a large scale is winner takes all and the nice guy finishes last.

but i'm not too worried about overpopulation given how birth rates decline after a few generations of modern prosperity.

[Anonymous No.14717524]

>>14717516
well if you are upset about overpopulation then you should do something about the problem by committing suicide. virtue signaling on the internet for goodboy points isn't going to have any positive effect on the problem you claim to be concerned about and you know it.

[Anonymous No.14717533]

>>14717521
Yeah, I bet that once poorer countries start becoming more industrialized,the birth rates in general are gonna drop hard. Hell it even happened here in Mexico, we had an extremely healthy population pyramid with mostly young people, in the past couple of years as more people are getting access to better jobs, higher tech etc. My country is close to reversing the pyramid. I read on a report a couple of months ago that said that by 2030, Mexico was going to switch to a Middle Aged country instead of being a Young Aged country, and it was mainly due to economic prosperity and less pressure to have children because people focus more on their careers and first and so on.

[Anonymous No.14717536]

>>14717533
yup, that change is happening in africa too, most people just don't realise it because they think everyone on that continent lives in mud huts.

what i don't know a lot about is the causes behind overpopulation in china and india, and what their trends are doing. but i have a feeling it will start to decline soon one way or another.

[Anonymous No.14717540]

>>14717533
>because people focus more on their careers
not people, women. a man can focus on his career while raising a large family a women can't.

[Anonymous No.14717544]

>>14717524
apparently you don't know what virtue signalling and anonymity is, you cannot have "virtue signalling" while having "anonymity" at the same time retard please hand over your credentials

[Anonymous No.14717557]

>>14716801
not a problem in white countries

[Anonymous No.14717561]

>>14717544
if you are upset about overpopulation then you should do something about the problem by committing suicide. virtue signaling on the internet for goodboy points isn't going to have any positive effect on the problem you claim to be concerned about and you know it.

[Anonymous No.14717562]

>>14717536
China is weird because they don't really have publicly available data that isn't curated by the government. Some politicians and economist theorize that China's birthrate pyramid already started to decline, but the political implications of the world knowing that China isn't the fucking Zerg anymore is too high of a cost for the CCP to accept

[Anonymous No.14717567]

>>14717562
god that place really is fucked up with its censorship. makes sense though. my uneducated understanding is that india and china are both coming out of their baby boom phase, which struck a little later than america's.

[Anonymous No.14717572]

>>14717567
Yeah, that's the prevalent understanding of population of those countries. China of course will censor it because for some weird dumb reason, people knowing they aren't breeding like rabbits anymore is bad, while India, well IDK much India, but economically, the country has been on a steady grow, we might not see the reversal yet, because they still have a shitload of young people, but over the next decade I bet my ass we'll start to see a trend reversal in their population as they become more industrialized

[Anonymous No.14717576]

>>14717544
That's not strictly true, it's just that your accumulated virtue points expire when the thread ends.

[Anonymous No.14717578]

>>14716801
https://odysee.com/@YoutubeZensiert:8/EnvironmentalistTrojanHorseDepopulation:d

[Anonymous No.14717579]

>>14717567
>god that place really is fucked up with its censorship. makes sense though.
meanwhile the number of illegal immigrants released into the USA over the last year is estimated as anywhere between 400,000 and 10,000,000

[Anonymous No.14717584]

>>14717579
i didn't say america wasn't also fucked. it is.

[Anonymous No.14717614]

>>14717518
One of two things is going to happen with Africa over the next 50 years.
a) West, facing economic strain, finally cuts off the unlimited aid tap. Hundreds of millions die.
b) West continues to increase aid and African population balloons to 3-3.5 billion until supporting them is no longer sustainable and the entire thing implodes. Billions die and the resulting migrant violence and economic fallout devastates the West.

[Anonymous No.14717638]

>>14717507
>post retarded non-problem
>blame wypipo
>still get real answers
>declare anyone who disagrees with you to be racist

[Anonymous No.14717679]

Overpopulation and globalisation inevitably ends in collapse. It is seen time and again through history, most notably the Bronze Age collapse and the Roman Empire. There is a very good book on this: https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/globalisation-and-the-roman-world/6D61EDA1C460E99FF118D26098A38DF4

One can argue about globalizing phenomena and population collapse in the late Neolithic around the 8.2k cal BP. event. It has been argued that the Neanderthal culture boomed and collapsed.

Throughout history relative overpopulation has always resulted in some form of societal collapse, but not wholesale societal destruction.

This is not some /pol/-tier rant against population or globalising phenomena. Globalising behaviours could be an innate part of our species or an innate part of any mammal or even vertebrate when given the opportunity. Overpopulation and population collapses happen naturally in ecosystems as well and things always balance themselves out. Maybe what we are seeing now are truly exclusive modern phenomena, maybe they are processes that are thousands of years old, tens of thousand years old, hundreds of thousands of years old, millions of years old, potentially billions of years old. Look at the Great Oxidation Event for example. How is what we are doing any different from that?

The aim of scientific study of this phenomenon is not action, but gaining an understanding of the dynamics involved.

[Anonymous No.14717723]

>>14716801
Distribute a sterilization treatment under the guise of a vaccine.

[Anonymous No.14717741]

>>14716801

The world can host 20 billion people.

Just not 20 billion Americans.

[Anonymous No.14717758]

>>14717723
Wasn't that part of a plot from stargate sg-1?

[Anonymous No.14717777]

>>14716842
in the pudding

[Anonymous No.14718084]

Overpopulation is just another false narrative promoted to support the white genocide agenda

[Anonymous No.14718231]

Overpopulation is a good thing because the suffering it will cause will accelerate space colonization. The means always justify the ends even if the means are bad. If you disagree with this then morally it would be morally good to kill you because it will prevent the spread of harmful rhetoric that stifles progress in favor of your wrong ethics.

[Anonymous No.14718233]

>>14716801
Help prevent it?
Overpopulation already happened, there are 8 billion people on this planet.

[Anonymous No.14718350]

>>14716801
Billionaires told people we're underpopulated so everytime this subject comes up you'll see cuckolds talking about declining birth rates.

I think 24/7/365 welfare assistance is a problem. 4 billion productive people > 8 billion losers.

[Anonymous No.14718355]

>>14716897
Brah, poor countries are getting richer very slowly and are destroying their local environment for it. Nothing is free in life. All those goods require recoruces from the planet that we can't sustain. Bet China and India never resemble western Europe. The earth's ecosystem will collapse way before.

[Anonymous No.14718360]

Overpopulation is a meme.

[Anonymous No.14718410]

>>14716801
>What is your opinion on overpopulation?

ALL, and I mean ALL of our perceived civilizational problems boil down to overpopulation.

Climate change? Purely a result of overpopulation.

Wars? Violent competition for limited resources due to an excessive number of human squatters competing for the limited resources.

Any discussion about stopping climate changing without addressing the excessive population (I estimate 5 billion people too many over the natural carrying capacity of the planet), is FRAUDULENT and without meaning.

[Anonymous No.14718911]

>>14718355
>The earth's ecosystem will collapse way before.
their tfw face when it happens

[Anonymous No.14718925]

>>14718410
This. Pretty much all of our problems would be solved by reducing the population

[Anonymous No.14718929]

>>14718355
They don't care. Any excuse to support the status quo and their bloated lifestyles is a good enough excuse. It's a doubly good excuse if it incorporates a little virtue signaling.

[Anonymous No.14718938]

>>14718231
>necessity drives innovation to infinity

That's just gospel straight out of the Good Book of Economics. The true believers from that particular cult don't really know anything about science or technology. Being utterly and hopelessly detached from reality is sort of a prerequisite to becoming a member - completely oblivious to their the own consumerism and their affect on the world around them.

[Anonymous No.14718943]

Kill all chinks and poos

[Anonymous No.14718945]

>>14718925
If you're upset about overpopulation then you should kys, that would solve the problem.

[Anonymous No.14718959]

>>14718945
Well it wouldn't really. Because some form of human that rapidly multiplies would quickly move in and occupy his former niche. Someone like you.

[Anonymous No.14718963]

>>14718945
Then the percentage of people in the world concerned about overpopulation and the resulting famine/war/malthusian collapse would be even less... thus putting another nail in the coffin of long term civilization.

That's what we mean when we call people like you malignant cancer. Cancer doesn't know that it is cancer. It just does it's thing, but it is inevitably fatal for it's host.

Anyway, this is all no doubt way over your head lol.

[Anonymous No.14718973]

>>14718963
>i am the savior of mother nature, i'm captain planet!!
reddit messiah complex faggot

[Anonymous No.14718975]

>>14718973
k whatever bud lol

[Anonymous No.14718982]

>>14718963
Civilisation is the reason we have Overpopulation, Your civilisation's monetary debt is based on the fundamental concept of growth in money circulation. Without the necessary means of people to support the circulation the intrinsic value of money will diminish which will lead to precipitous fall of GDP. Banking system cannot survive without the rise of credit. End Civilisation and Overpopulation will End.

[Anonymous No.14718995]

>>14718982
then explain how countriesin east asia function without increase population

[Anonymous No.14719383]

>>14716801
Make murder cool and legal

[Anonymous No.14719499]

>>14718925
if all of them are jews maybe

[Anonymous No.14719615]

>>14717383
Intelligence is a spectrum though, and there are a number of additional variables that impact intelligence, such as emotional intelligence (learning empathy, etc.). I wouldn't say it's about "intelligent" vs "unintelligent," because both groups tend to be on the same sides, they just have different viewpoints. The problem is there's so much bullshit out that tries to evoke anger on both sides of the aisle, and it worked for years getting every pissed until COVID came and cut into the fabric of society, leading to further extremism on both sides. Some news corporations (and tons of blogs, podcasts, etc.) thought evoking anger was the key to success. It's not, and this whole saga has proven that destruction (acceleration theory, etc.) isn't needed to bring about real change. That's one benefit of democracies--the ability for peaceful revolutions to occur that can fundamentally and peacefully change the country, and lead to changing the world. Authoritarian governments by their nature (letting fear and worry override all emotions and seeking to control everything) aren't as likely to let a peaceful revolution change the course of the country.

[Anonymous No.14719627]

>>14716801
>So what can we possibly do?
Mandatory long-therm contraception (after 1st child per person) for everyone living off welfare or development aid.

[Anonymous No.14720291]

I always wonder why it's taboo to discuss overpopulation among leftists considering the amount of nature that has to be converted into arable land to feed a person. And that's just to feed a person alone, I'm not even going to bother mentioning pollution.
The only effective way to tackle climate change is to reduce the population of earth to only 1 billion.

[Anonymous No.14720301]

>>14720291
>considering the amount of nature that has to be converted into arable land to feed a person
I guess vertical agriculture and other innovations must be memory holed to appease your murderous fantasies?

[Anonymous No.14720306]

Serious question for any of you who think overpopulation is a thing and that 90% of people have to be eliminated in some way.

Are you actual agronomists? Have you worked with agriculture? Or are you just biologists and similar academics in their ivory towers dictating how the world should function?

[Anonymous No.14720324]

>>14720301
>muh vertical farming!
Complete meme, you're just going to create deserts because of the soil you're moving into vertical stacks.
Think of the resources that would be needed for construction material to hold all those gallons of dirt.
And you would still need water and fertilizer from somewhere, you probably have no idea how much forest has to be cleared to create potash for fertilizers every year.

[Anonymous No.14720358]

>>14718963
based and truthpilled.

[Anonymous No.14720377]

>>14720324
It can work but I don't see them building sky scrapers for just this purpose.
If you dedicate 1 - 2 floors to it, you might be able to feed a neighborhood. But even with all these innovations, humans are consuming more than they generate in terms of food (meat/fish). A Thanos intervention would be welcomed.

[Anonymous No.14720384]

>>14720291
All we have to do is build systems with higher recycling of the resources they consume.
>>14720324
>soil
lmao
retard
I will admit that vertical farming isn't remotely viable yet, but as energy continually becomes cheaper and cheaper it will become feasible. The main problem at that point would be land prices which would have to be fixed by other means, since eliminating artificial inflation isn't exactly in the realm of energy or agriculture.

[Anonymous No.14720386]

>>14718963
>malthusian collapse
Literally a non-issue. Being concerned about a malthusian collapse is like being concerned about some ancient civilization predicting the world would end in a few years modern time.

[Anonymous No.14720399]

>>14720324
>muh vertical farming!
>YAY! lets grown everything we eat in greenhouses using artificial CO2!!
greenhouses and vertical farming are even more accelertionist than rolling coal is. +2ºC by the end of the century? FUCK THAT, we can get +10º by the end of the decade if we rock vertical farming harder. how about if we use diesel generators to power the artificial lighting in our greenhouses?

[Anonymous No.14720400]

>>14716913
>>14717383
/thread

[Anonymous No.14720456]

>>14720384
>eliminating artificial inflation isn't exactly in the realm of energy or agriculture.
you might be surprised to find out that largest land owners and the owners of the energy companies also control central banking throughout most of the world

[Anonymous No.14720511]

>>14720301
>I guess vertical agriculture and other innovations must be memory holed to appease your murderous fantasies?

Why haven't you done any of those things instead of crying about climate change?

[Anonymous No.14720546]

>>14720291
>I always wonder why it's taboo to discuss overpopulation among leftists

Because as soon as you grapple with the subject of overpopulation, you run into (((them))) and their business interests, which require free market capitalism and the assumption of unlimited resources and unlimited expansion of consumption.

And that's why the current moaning by the science community about carbon capture schemes and carbon credits, are nothing but a sick joke that deflects the real responsibility for climate change, which is the fact there are nearly 8 billion squatters on this planet, most of them redundant to the needs of society besides their value to the market as consumers.

Any debate about climate action with addressing overpopulation is necessarily a fraudulent, vacuous discussion.

[Anonymous No.14720547]

>>14720546
>WITHOUT addressing

derrr

[Anonymous No.14720551]

>>14716899
>>14716956
Meds

[Anonymous No.14720558]

>>14716897
>just keep giving them more food brah, they will fix themselves... eventually?

[Anonymous No.14720578]

>>14720558
>just introduce them to vertical farming and wind farms
>You can just see that boatload of niggers jumping into constructing large arcologies and wind farms upon arrival in Europe.

[Anonymous No.14720630]

>>14720558
meanwhile destroy food production because muh NOx emissions.

[Anonymous No.14720647]

>>14717614
I've thought about this and reached similar conclusions. Option B is a blackpill and seems to be more and more likely, considering Europe's insistence on importing millions of Africans and the nurturing of them into a professional 5th column just as America has.
As >>14717679 points out, populations ballooning and collapsing aren't a new occurrence, and there was upheaval but society wasn't destroyed. Hell this process even set the stage for the European Renaissance. But regardless I feel as though the modern circumstances are radically unprecedented. Never before has the global share of Europeans been so low for instance, and the global share of Africans so high. There is a widespread belief even among native populations in Europe that Europeans are obliged to take in refugees from these places (they aren't), while the fact that most African countries are essentially freeloaders in the modern economic system is not just widely unknown, but vilified as a racist/evil "belief."
Grim I suppose, but has there been worse circumstances? Maybe, I'm not smart enough to say. Ultimately there's nothing I can do. Might as well try to live a full and wholesome life, and live with the assurance that everything will end up okay, just as it ultimately did after innumerable catastrophes throughout history.

[Anonymous No.14720707]

>>14717679
But those animals and ancient humans were never conscious of the phenomenon.
Since we are, shouldn't we do something to avoid the mass deaths and suffering from it?

[Anonymous No.14720712]

>>14720647
>Hell this process even set the stage for the European Renaissance.
It worked in Europe because the barbarians imported had high IQ.

[Anonymous No.14720714]

>>14720712
Importing low IQ barbarians can only turn you into a new India.

[Anonymous No.14720874]

Humans are no different than amoeba or cancer cells or just about any other living thing
That is to say they grow and multiply and consume without discretion until they cannot grow anymore
And what happens in such a case? The population eventually suffocates itself maybe they all just go extinct or maybe a small amount survives so they can do it all again
It's safe to say this has all been well proven at this point
We can see it easily at a small scale and now maybe we're getting to the point where we can start seeing it at a big one too
At every point in history where humans made some massive advancement to allow for a larger population they grew at an alarming rate to fill that new gap no different than a mindless little bacterium floating around in some jar
I guess it seems different when you are the bacterium and hey at least you got a nice big jar
None of this will change in any reasonable time frame
It hasn't really changed for some hundreds of thousands of years and so I figure it should take at least a couple hundred thousand more
Some miracle invention won't do it I believe that much
If you're banking on that well maybe it's better to live and die with that little bit of hope

[Anonymous No.14720904]

>>14717561
>This angers the cancer cell! How dare you tell cancer that it is cancer! Kys it cries.

[Anonymous No.14720912]

>>14718360
No it's not. Food is already becoming less nutritious. You can't deplete the soil forever. In first world countries, overpopulation will take care of its self as they've stripped us of so much of our humanity that we don't even want to reproduce anymore. Now all we have to do to make the world a better place is have iron tight borders. No one gets in and in a hundred years the we will be the greatest we've ever been.

[Anonymous No.14720914]

>>14720904

[Anonymous No.14720961]

>>14720874
Anon, you literally described exactly how it has already changed. Humans make advancements to allow them to have a larger population. They change the environment around them to suit their needs and think about their circumstances and ways to change them for the better. They don't just live in the moment every second of their lives. They aren't just subject to whatever random environmental effects that happen, unable to do anything about it. You know all of the pieces of information that point to human overpopulation not being an issue, yet you draw the opposite conclusion that your own facts point to.

[Anonymous No.14720991]

>>14720912
>i'm a soil science expert.
you've never even grown your own lettuce

[Anonymous No.14721552]

>>14720961>>14720874
In life it is rare to know with 100% certainty about anything, and this case is no different. We cannot know with 100% certainty whether your position or his position is the correct one.

But there is one thing we can know with 100% certainty, and that is that your position is the one that is beneficial to those that rely on indefinite economic/population growth via consumption of non-renewable resources - the multinational mining, construction, and banking corporations, and that his is not.

[Anonymous No.14721574]

>>14721552
You said it best yourself, the resources are non-renewable. So, under that, what does it matter? A billion people living for a thousand years or ten billion people living for a hundred years. It doesn't make a difference. They'll both run out of resources. At first glance they'll both even have the same overall total lifetime. We can create better ways of recycling, reusing, and repurposing what we already have, thus reducing our effective need for consumption. But that only extends the time we can last on the resources we have. Just by virtue of existing we will need to consume resources in an imperfect way that means we won't be able to last forever. This requires us to find new resources to consume. The only difference is in the when. The growing population must do it sooner. But they also have a larger population. More ability to invent and create and to discover those new ways of exploiting the resources around them.
This is all independent of intelligence as well. There's no reason to believe that having a smaller population would naturally result in a smarter population. They would both have the same portions of intelligent to unintelligent. Either they are intelligent enough to find those better ways of extracting resources and they are able to continue to grow or continue to simply exist respectively, or they don't and they both go extinct when their resources run out.

[Anonymous No.14721580]

>>14720511
who says i believe in climate change?

[Anonymous No.14721587]

>>14721574
>It doesn't make a difference.
It makes all the difference. 10 billion people will permanently wipe out the sustainable ecosystems that made it possible for 10 billion people to exist in the first place, and 1 billion will not.

[Anonymous No.14721588]

>>14720551
if i had assets worth more than countries i would do the same, and pathetic pieces of shit like yourself would unconsciously assist me in the process

[Anonymous No.14721590]

>>14721587
That's not true. The only difference is the rate at which they will do it. Without perfect recycling of all resources in circulation it is inevitable that a point of having used up the available resources will be reached.

[Anonymous No.14721595]

>>14721590
Oh you're the guy who actually believes technology follows population... not the other way around
LOL whatever keep on spewing your self-serving tripe for all i care

[Anonymous No.14721597]

>>14721595
No?

[Anonymous No.14721601]

>>14721590
I think you're mixing up "sustainable ecosystems" and "non-renewable resources"
The two are completely different things.

[Anonymous No.14721608]

>>14721590
You're right that the consumption rate of resources depends on population, but what is happening right now is essentially this: multinational mining, construction, and banking corporations together with their 10 billion "consumers" are using "non-renewable resources" to permanently wipe out "sustainable ecosystems".

We have the choice of whether to run out of non-renewable resources with intact functioning sustainable ecosystems or without. It all depends on population.

[Anonymous No.14721950]

>>14721590
life existed on this planet for billions of years. plenty of time for -something- to run out if perfect recycling doesn't work. but it seems it does (except for some buried fossils maybe). it's the rate of recyclying that counts, and 10 billion people surely need some impossible rate. (10 billion living a decent life, 10 billion living in huts and eating bugs maybe not.)

[Anonymous No.14721994]

>>14716801
Bomb far east Asia, scientifically
Boom! Global population goes down by billions

[Anonymous No.14722044]

The key problem is Usury.
Same as every other damned problem we face.
Remove usury and things become manageable

[Anonymous No.14722230]

Arguments against overpopulation always amaze me.
Climate change, peak resources, physically chomping through ecosystems are all happening on scales measured in decades. "Sustainability" is always expressed as a lofty aspiration. In what universe is this not overpopulation? Even if you could erase all luxury and violence and have a world of peaceful, frugal monks, industrial agriculture alone can't keep going like this indefinitely.

[Anonymous No.14722515]

Synthetic fertilizers exist, and oceanfloor and almost every bottom of a water body is brim with phosphorus. And likely in the not too distant future, much of it can be prevented from sinking into the ocean and bodies of water.

Almost every scarcity problem conceived or extant at the moment is mostly artificial, via retarded politics or lack of civilization. And retarded politics puts a civilization at the tipping point between anarchy and being civilized. Sri-Lanka was just a few years ago was nearly food self-sufficient, but now they're about to starve and fall into anarchy, which was all an artificially created problem, via politics.

[Anonymous No.14722526]

Theres nothing to be done against overpopulation, I think. The west is competently culling its own population via propaganda but they're just being replaced by peoples who breed like rabbits. It'll end in global war and genocide anyway, there's no way around it.

[Anonymous No.14722533]

>>14720912

Synthetic fertilizers have existed for over a century, and the oceanfloor and almost every bottom of a water body, is brimming with phosphorus. And likely in the not too distant future, much of it can be prevented from sinking into the ocean and bodies of water.

Almost every scarcity problem conceived or extant at the moment is mostly artificial, via retarded politics or lack of civilization. And retarded politics puts a civilization at the tipping point between anarchy and being civilized. Sri-Lanka was just a few years ago was nearly food self-sufficient, but now they're about to starve and fall into anarchy, which was all an artificially created problem, via politics.

[Anonymous No.14722539]

>overpopulation
a stupid myth with no basis in reality. malthus was dumb. there is more than enough arable land in America alone to support double the human population.
>>14716821
>elites are depopulating
no, that's just (((the elites))) doing their usual genocide of everyone but the most stupid and mixed-race of puppets. they always do that. it's in their blood, really, to poison the well. they can't help themselves. it actually has nothing to do with the modern situation, or depopulation, or saving the planet, or even money. they have enough money. it's about removing the seed of amalek, or it's about envy, or for the incredibly common schizo elite, it's about the moloch crap.
>>14722526
>>14722533
people will only take so much. the reaction will be extreme, and unfortunately, violent. the elites are pushing ESG because they believe accelerationism will deliver them the genocides they want. The opposite genocides will occur. Don't forget what they did to Sri Lanka.

[Anonymous No.14722542]

>>14720912

Synthetic fertilizers have existed for over a century, and the oceanfloor and almost every bottom of a water body, is brimming with phosphorus. And likely in the not too distant future, much of it can be prevented from sinking into the ocean and bodies of water.

Almost every scarcity problem conceived or extant at the moment is mostly artificial, via retarded politics or lack of civilization. And retarded politics puts a civilization at the tipping point between anarchy and being civilized. Sri-Lanka just a few years ago, was nearly food self-sufficient, but now they're about to starve and fall into anarchy, which was all an artificially created problem, via politics - involving lots of nitpicky central planning.

[Anonymous No.14722554]

>>14722539

>the reaction will be extreme, and unfortunately, violent

And will also come with major environmental disaster when millions of people will go rogue and burn everything flammable and kill every animal in sight, out of necessity, as well as bring down any semblance of centralized order that had existed before.

[Anonymous No.14723665]

>>14722539
>>overpopulation
>a stupid myth with no basis in reality. malthus was dumb. there is more than enough arable land
Another cuckold slurping on billionaire cock. Right now we pull more fish out of the ocean than the ocean can replenish. It doesn't matter if we have plenty of land or water if that land/water can't keep up with the population demands.

[Anonymous No.14723670]

there is no overpopulation, the food "shortages" are artificial

[Anonymous No.14723677]

>>14723665
Nigger retard.

[Anonymous No.14723682]

Just kill poor people

[Anonymous No.14723697]

>>14723665
>It doesn't matter if we have plenty of land
>we
you don't own any property at all

[Anonymous No.14723714]

>>14718410
>>14718925
War has been a thing since we could hold rocks to beat each other with and you want to tell me it's an overpopulation problem

[Anonymous No.14723722]

>>14722230
Where in the laws of nature is the correct population of Earth written? Where are the correct time scales for things written? You're pulling oughts out of your ass. There are plenty of valid arguments against your idiocy, but none of them are necessary because you're starting from a bullshit, undefined premise.

[Anonymous No.14723785]

>>14723697
6 acres beta male.

[Anonymous No.14723794]

>>14723722
>more self serving psychotard drivel spewing forth from the human manifestation of malignant cancer on 4chan

Many such cases
Sad

[Anonymous No.14723835]

>>14723794
>maybe if I just keep doubling down on being a retard people won't realize I'm retarded

[Anonymous No.14723852]

>>14723835
I find it amazing when someone who doesn't know fuck all about science, let alone basic math and has developed their entire worldview around turning everything into a rotting pile of putrid refuse to satisfy their greedy bloated lifestyle.

Why am I even bothering with someone like you? You're on about the same level as an invasive species of rodent.

[Anonymous No.14723857]

>>14723852
>I find it amazing when someone who doesn't know fuck all about science, let alone basic math
The irony is fucking palpable. No, retard, Malthusian collapse isn't real.
Kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.14723866]

>>14723835
>You're on about the same level as an invasive species of rodent.
You're actually even lower than that... The invasive species of rodent has no concept of what it does. It doesn't have the mental capacity to comprehend the warning signs. It doesn't have science to ignore. It just does it's thing.

You on the other hand...

[Anonymous No.14723873]

>>14723866
Yeah yeah, we get it, you're infuriated at the prospect of people living as anything other than cavemen and view any human activity to be evil and morally repugnant.
Keep impotently raging about how inferior everyone but you is.

[Anonymous No.14723876]

>>14723852
when your smug superiority comes out and you start wishing death on people who disagree with you, i begin to doubt that you're genuinely concerned about the plight of others as much as you claim that you are.
https://is2.4chan.org/sci/1659298448862397.jpg

i would also like to add that people who outweigh you make you angry because they are larger than you and you fear them and are jealous of their superior size and in this case, their superior wealth also makes you envious. jealousy and envy are sins you've been warned against for your own good, you choose not to heed those warnings and so you live your life terminally angry and envious

[Anonymous No.14723881]

>>14723873
Gluttony and greed has always been seen as morally repugnant. Sorry you're too stupid to comprehend the basic concepts of morality and justice that made civilization possible.

[Anonymous No.14723884]

>>14723881
>any and all expansion is gluttonous and greedy
Again: Retard.

[Anonymous No.14723887]

>>14723876
Gluttony is a sin too
Seems you conveniently forgot about that one in your little tirade huh?

LOL you disgusting bloated fucking retard

[Anonymous No.14723935]

>>14716897
Shitholes are only getting less poor because the west is overpopulating and they give money to shitholes to provide for them. Just imagine what happens if the trend keeps going, more people both in shitholes and the west, more mouths to feed asking for the same standard of quality of life, all who are already unable to snatch a patch of land to produce by themselves, except now thousands want the same thing. Same supply, more demand, Every shit inflated, every job worthless. Rich get richer, poor get poorer until they reach equilibrium.

Birthrate may be slowing down in developed countries but their populations arent going down. The world is overpopulating and things will just get worse.

[Anonymous No.14724113]

>>14723876
God you sound retarded. Just keep regurgitating what cucker carlson and the kike media are shilling. "mah birthrates." This planet is so fucked.
>>14723866
Spot on. You can slap these Elmer fuds in the the face all day with data and they won't change their mind until the rest of their team does. Sad really.

[Anonymous No.14724162]

>>14723866
>>14724113
(You)

[Anonymous No.14724240]

>>14723722
My "ought" premise is that desolating the Earth in a few generations is bad. That could be wrong, like if humans become multi-planetary as a result of the increased population, or if we discover some truth so magnificent that it was worth the devastation.
Every argument that this civilization can become sustainable (without mass death) assumes humans will cooperate in a wildly unprecedented way, and/or there will be dramatic technological breakthroughs that are not actually on the horizon.

[Anonymous No.14724366]

Look, the time for rational discussion and trying to educate the retards is over. Its been tried for decades. It doesn't work.

So the only solution is acceleration. Accelerate the collapse. But make sure that survival cells are well protected and guided. Then once collapse has happened and the population has dropped to under 1 billion these cells can emerge and establish a new civilization. A new and sustainable civilization that ruthlessly exterminates the sort of retards that got us into the current situation. exterminates them all with the same sort of casual indifference as one might exterminate a cockroach infestation inside a house.

[Anonymous No.14724397]

>>14724366
>the malthusian collapse will happen any day now!

[Anonymous No.14724419]

>>14724366
Pentti Linkola was right.

[Anonymous No.14724425]

>>14724366
>ruthlessly exterminates the sort of retards that got us into the current situation
you have a grandiose fantasy life, violent too.

[Anonymous No.14724428]

>>14724397
No idiot. A Malthusian collapse is natural. By the time it happens too much collateral damage has been done. Acceleration collapse comes before Malthusian collapse. It is intentional and its goal is to limit the damage otherwise caused by Malthusian collapse.

But this is probably too much for you to understand.

[Anonymous No.14724433]

>>14724425
Don't you have some state sponsored war to go off and die in? How else are they going to afford all those pollutants in your environment?

[Anonymous No.14724435]

>>14724419
"Kaarlo Pentti Linkola (born 7 December 1932 in Helsinki) is a radical Finnish deep ecologist, polemicist, and fisherman.Linkola blames humans for the continuous degradation of the environment. He promotes rapid population decline in order to combat the problems commonly attributed to overpopulation. He is also strongly in favour of deindustrialization and opposes democracy, which he calls the "Religion of Death, believing it to be an agent of wasteful capitalism and consumerism. He considers the proponents of economic growth to be ignorant of the subtle destructive effects which free market policies have had over the past two centuries."

INTREDASTING!

[Anonymous No.14724627]

>>14724366
>>14724428
Why not just exterminate retards now? Seems like less work and we keep wifi.

[Anonymous No.14724653]

Reminder:
>>14716913

[Anonymous No.14724662]

>>14716801
Overpopulation is a bullshit problem. The only ones growing like rabbits are Africans and they will starve to death the moment we stop sending them food. They can't sustain themselves and are 100% at our mercy. It's just a Matter of time till the next malphusian cycle ends with a minor extinction event. I say if you're white or asian with 120+ IQ go above replacement level fertility, so Minimum 3 kids. That's your contribution to prevent idiocracy. Also don't fall for the Antinatalist Propaganda like a midwit. "Be fruitful and multiply." is one of the few sentences you can take seriously.

[Anonymous No.14724752]

>>14724662
>the moment we stop sending them food
Do you really think that is ever going to happen?

[Anonymous No.14724764]

>>14724627
The problem is both local and global. Things like notions of equality, democracy, civil rights make it impossible to carry out the necessary measures. Retards make up the significant majority of the population. Perhaps as much as 95%. Then there are those who are not completely retarded who would fight to protect the retards. Finally there are those not completely retarded but who benefit from the current situation, they are happy to exploit the retards for their own advantage. That's just the local problem. Globally you are then faced with the fact that the vast majority of the population is contained within countries like China, India, Nigeria, etc. Even if we could enforce retard elimination in western countries there would remain all the retards in the rest of the world. In fact it would be counter productive to only eliminate western retards while other retards exist, since they would merely fill the gap.

No. You need a complete breakdown of the existing world systems of law and order. You need complete anarchy. You need to complete dissolution of national borders, national armies, and all levels of government. Then in addition to that you need cells of ecomilitants scattered across the world in areas of strategic importance. Deeply embedded, highly protected, ideologically pure, and extremely well prepared. They must be prepared to ride out the new dark age and then seize absolute power when, and only when, total victory is assured. Then they exterminate everyone who does not share their ideology, the Earth recovers, and they all live happily ever after in perfect environmental harmony.

[Anonymous No.14724785]

>>14724752
If war breaks out in China and the west stops getting cheap shit from the east, everything will get extremely expensive over night and the built up wealth of the middle class rapidly declines as a result. When the population of the western countries aren't doing so good, they won't be in willing to share what they have left. So it's only a matter of time until the current system collapses and the sentiment changes from abundance mindset to scarcity mindset. When people can no longer afford what they were used to buy regularilly for the past 10 years, they won't sit idly by as the government throws their tax dollars at foreign aid.

[Anonymous No.14724838]

>>14724785
Retard take. Stick to what you know. Jerk off.

[Anonymous No.14724916]

>>14724838
So what's the non-retard take? Genuine question

[Anonymous No.14726341]

>>14717383
I suppose you consider yourself among the intelligent people, then? Worthy of casting death sentences on others? Pull your head out of your ass dude

[Anonymous No.14726401]

>>14723887
LOL the post is gone!!
Fat fucking bloated christian fascist gluttonous consumer posted a shady link that looked a little like 4chan and probably gives your computer AIDS, and mods caught on. Retard actually thought people would be dumb enough to take his fucking bait LOL.. "Greenies" are smarter than you you fuckwit. COPE

[Anonymous No.14726406]

>>14723887
Forgot image

[Anonymous No.14726418]

>>14716801
On the contrary, it seems as countries escape third-world shitholery, the birth rate goes down immediately. In the countries where birth rates are high, there are also people dying in droves. The problem takes care of itself from both ends.

[Anonymous No.14726423]

>>14726418
forgot pic related

[Anonymous No.14726446]

>>14726423
The acceleration of the red curve around 1925 or so is the influence of antibiotics and sulfa drugs.
The rapid deceleration around 1970 or so is explained at the following URL
https://wtfhappenedin1971.com

[Anonymous No.14726888]

>>14724419

Linkola was a pahtological pessimist cunt who probably derived his sexual pleasure from general misery and unhappiness.

[Anonymous No.14727071]

>>14724916
Step 1 - stop billionaires from meming about low birthrates. The morons are eating it up.
Step 2 - watch the population slowly decrease and level off due to being more educated.

[Anonymous No.14727086]

>>14727071
We were talking about the explosive growth rates of African countries who rely on handouts to maintain it. Are you suggesting Ngubu has five kids in the jungle because he saw an Elon Musk meme?

[Anonymous No.14727100]

>>14727086
Yes. If billionaires were meming that we should stop investing into Africa because they're choking us to death with worthless mouths to feed, then the masses would follow. Lemmie know if you still need a step by step guide on how this would trickle down.

[Anonymous No.14727180]

>>14727071
99% of billionaires love discouraging growth in western nations.

[Anonymous No.14727200]

>>14716801
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmhEOQuUahU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5X18lqyDO0

[Anonymous No.14727209]

>>14716897
>the global population will start to trend downwards. impoverish nations with high birth rates are getting less poor by the day, as long as we continue to help them their birth rates will slow just as the ones in europe/north america have.
You are completely ignoring the fact that selection pressure exists. The sorts of people who aren't reproducing in the modern environment are being weeded out of the gene pool, and we are undergoing strong selection pressure for "breeders" with a strong instinctive drive to reproduce as much as possible. Religious fundamentalists with high fertility rates like the Amish will also grow exponentially.

https://www.unz.com/akarlin/where-do-babies-come-from/
https://www.unz.com/akarlin/breeders-revenge/
https://www.overcomingbias.com/2021/09/the-insular-fertile-future.html

[Anonymous No.14727211]

>>14716937
>fertility rate isn't going to rise ever again regardless
Yes it will. See >>14727200 and >>14727209.

[Anonymous No.14727213]

>>14717521
>birth rates decline after a few generations of modern prosperity
Which means that future generations will be almost entirely descended from people who maintained high fertility while living with modern prosperity, and will therefore have a sort of genetic resistance to prosperity.

[Anonymous No.14727214]

>>14718231
>the suffering it will cause will accelerate space colonization.
Which will just result in even more suffering.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7nsv4n_Bgk

[Anonymous No.14727216]

>>14727071
>Step 2 - watch the population slowly decrease and level off due to being more educated.
This sounds like a recipe for dysgenics.

https://www.unz.com/akarlin/nor-breeding-their-best/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOqGXhn7YBA

[Anonymous No.14727218]

>>14727209
Thank God. Maybe western nations won't be fucked after all if the anti-natalists are disappearing.
>>14727211
On one hand the Amish are pretty great, on the other hand Mormons are fucking heretics.

[Anonymous No.14727223]

>>14727214
Who gives a fuck?
Also
>using two different definitions of suffering synonymously

[Anonymous No.14727353]

>>14727211
god damn it still no mormon chicks in my county in 2100

[Anonymous No.14727362]

>>14727100
Yes, I have yet to see a billionaire say anything about low birthrates besides Elon Musk. The narrative that trickles down is still that we are overpopulated, so people in first world countries shouldn't have kids. No one points the finger to third world countries that are living well above their means however. I am curious about your step-by-step guide on why we need billionaires to tell first worlders that we are overpopulated however.

[Anonymous No.14727507]

>>14727362
>third world countries
>that are living well above their means
Living in a grass hut is living "well above your means"
Consooming 99% less than the average mutt is living "well above your means"
Having a 50% lower life expectancy is living "well above your means"

[Anonymous No.14727575]

>>14727507
Yes, because these people would not exist in the first place if it weren't for free things their countries receive.
Generally, they do not offer anything in return. This is what their means are and it is not temporary, it has been like this for half a century.
You have missed the point being discussed.

[Anonymous No.14727672]

>>14727575
Don't bother, anon. Just look at the rest of the thread. They're nigger lovers and there's nothing that can be done to change their minds.

[Anonymous No.14727720]

>>14724419
The fact that this guy is almost unknown just shows that its hopeless.

[Anonymous No.14728883]

>>14727575
It's (you) who is getting shit for free from third world shitholes, nigger. If the third world disappeared, you would die because mutts are incapable of making anything themselves.

[Anonymous No.14728916]

>>14728883
>we iz kangs!

[Anonymous No.14728926]

>>14716801
Just give 100 short range tactical nukes to various warlords throughout Africa and the problem will sort itself out

[Anonymous No.14729877]

>>14728883
What free shit am I getting from sub-Saharan Africa?

[Anonymous No.14729934]

>>14727362
>No one points the finger to third world countries that are living well above their means however.
first world states consume way more then third world ones by a fuckton more.

[Anonymous No.14729956]

>>14717383
Muh false equivilence.

[Anonymous No.14729965]

>>14729934
Yes and first-world states PRODUCE a fuckton more. You haven't gotten that through your head yet. The third-world countries being talked about don't produce enough of anything to trade for their food normally, that's why they rely on handouts. They are net consumers, worthless mouths to feed economically speaking.

[Anonymous No.14729978]

It is pointless arguing with population deniers. They are like flat earthers. They simply need to be sterilized or exterminated. Which ever is most cost efficient. Unless this is done there is no sustainable future for either Humanity or the Earth.

“I could never find two people who are perfectly equal: one will always be more valuable than the other. And many people, as a matter of fact, simply have no value.”
― Pentti Linkola, Can Life Prevail? - A Radical Approach To The Environmental Crisis

[Anonymous No.14730024]

>>14727362
Which billionaires say we're overpopulated? The ones funding blm aren't. Elon isn't. They need a hoard of uneducated drones to keep their companies producing. Kike billionaires own the media. Notice how we only see articles on plummeting birthrates, not the fact we are at 8 billion mouths.

[Anonymous No.14730067]

>>14716801
Resources in a general sense aren't scarce, so mass starvation is not a threat. But scarcity is very much real with the best possible resources, lowest hanging fruits. Not all climates are easy and pleasant to live in, not all food production methods are easy - if you have little land you can't rely on natural production rates, you need to interfere and improve them. Takes extra work, obviously.

[Anonymous No.14730073]

>>14730024
It's astounding that it's possible to be this retarded.

[Anonymous No.14730090]

>>14716899
>>14716956
>>14717777
Since it's so obvious, you can surely point out some specific and explicit examples, beyond a shadow of a doubt, of how they are doing this, no?

[Anonymous No.14730094]

>>14716801
>what is your opinion on overpopulation
It's a thing. We hit carry capacity for humans a long time ago.
>can science help prevent it
Science is the cause of it, unironically.

>>14722539
Obviously, the environment getting wrecked, the ongoing mass extinction event, and the literal proofs we've passed carry capacity are all just silly accidents caused by... things... and not that we're provably too large in population for the rate we're consuming.

[Anonymous No.14730112]

>>14716801
>niggers, muslims, indians, spics and other shitskins are permanently hungry despite all the free shit they get
>wypipo are constantly told to have less kids cuz overpopulation and climate, and are told to import shitskins cuz lack of working people to maintain economy
I wonder why

[Anonymous No.14730124]

>>14730073
Yet you're even more so and shilling for billionaires for free. Imagine being this weak and pathetic as a full grown man.

[Anonymous No.14730127]

>>14730124
>>14730112

[Anonymous No.14730134]

>>14730112
Everyone in here who says we're overpopulated agrees that third world countries are the biggest problem. Stop making this about an attack on the west. Of course productive people should reproduce. Families in the west on welfare should fuck off though.

[Anonymous No.14730190]

>>14730134
>Everyone in here who says we're overpopulated agrees that third world countries are the biggest problem.
West uses all the resources and pollutes the most. Your point fails

[Anonymous No.14730192]

>>14729965
>Yes and first-world states PRODUCE a fuckton more
Produce what exactly?

[Anonymous No.14730193]

>>14730134
Not true. They have constantly argued that the west needs to be depopulated. Case in point: >>14730190

[Anonymous No.14730200]

>>14718355
>Bet China and India never resemble western Europe
I love when tards say this

[Anonymous No.14730201]

>>14727071
retard

[Anonymous No.14730216]

>>14730200
They're radically different cultures with radically different values who never invented science and have only technologically developed thanks to the west.
So yes, he, I, you, or literally anyone can be quite safe in saying that those places will neve resemble Europe.

[Anonymous No.14730220]

>>14730216
>They're radically different cultures with radically different values
not really

> who never invented science
weak bait

>only technologically developed thanks to the west.
weak bait

>So yes, he, I, you, or literally anyone can be quite safe in saying that those places will neve resemble Europe.
They said the exact same thing about Japan lol
Keep seething and coping dipshit

[Anonymous No.14730225]

>>14730220
Thanks for proving your historical and cultural illiteracy.

[Anonymous No.14730228]

>>14729978
Pentii was the only ecologist that talked any sense.

“What to do, when a ship carrying a hundred passengers suddenly capsizes and there is only one lifeboat? When the lifeboat is full, those who hate life will try to load it with more people and sink the lot. Those who love and respect life will take the ship's axe and sever the extra hands that cling to the sides.”
― Pentti Linkola

[Anonymous No.14730229]

>>14730193
I'm not saying they should be depopulated lol.

[Anonymous No.14730231]

>>14730225
He's not wrong though. Hell technically Finland never contributed much at all yet it's developed.

[Anonymous No.14730232]

>>14730192
Are you just trying to waste time or are you genuinely retarded?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_European_Union
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_United_Kingdom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Australia

[Anonymous No.14730236]

>>14730228
If Humanity is to prevail then we need more Pentii Linkolas

“The coming years will prove increasingly cynical and cruel. People will definitely not slip into oblivion while hugging each other. The final stages in the life of humanity will be marked by the monstrous war of all against all: the amount of suffering will be maximal.”
― Pentti Linkola, Can Life Prevail?

[Anonymous No.14730238]

>>14730231
He absolutely is. Everything he said was factually incorrect.
And Finland is culturally part of Europe.

[Anonymous No.14730250]

>>14730236
The first war must be to erase who dont agree. The second war must be to eradicate the locusts. No other process is tenable.


“The most central and irrational faith among people is the faith in technology and economical growth. Its priests believe until their death that material prosperity bring enjoyment and happiness - even though all the proofs in history have shown that only lack and attempt cause a life worth living, that the material prosperity doesn't bring anything else than despair. These priests believe in technology still when they choke in their gas masks.”
― Pentti Linkola, Can Life Prevail?

[Anonymous No.14730251]

I fucking hate all of these samefagging niggers quoting the same retard and talking about how much they need to murder white people in order to ensure the survival of humanity.

[Anonymous No.14730252]

>>14717460
For a commie, every sign of competitive advantage is racisssss

[Anonymous No.14730257]

>>14716913
>>14717383
Again, these posts still haven't been refuted. The Malthusians just ignore them and pretend like they were never even posted.

[Anonymous No.14730258]

For Humanity to prevail we must all be on the same page. After the reset not one human must be tolerated to live if they possess the locust mindset. For they would sure breed and pollute the Earth all over again.

“How can anyone think so insanely that the human life has the same value and mankind, the same morality, independent of numbers? It is lucid to me that every time a new child is born, the value of every human in world decreases slightly. It is obvious to me that the morality of the population explosion is wholly unlike than when man was a sparse, noble species in its beginning.”
― Pentti Linkola

[Anonymous No.14730266]

>>14718963
euphoric

[Anonymous No.14730267]

>>14716801
Overpopulation of who?

[Anonymous No.14730269]

>>14730267
Whom*

[Anonymous No.14730272]

>>14720291
If the Earth as a closed system is capable of sustaining current population it will be able to do so as long as Sun is providing it with energy. Your
>muh planet dying
nonsense is just another cult that stems from your psychological derangement

[Anonymous No.14730275]

>>14730269
Thanks, I realized after posting.

[Anonymous No.14730283]

My only regret is that I will not likely to see the collapse, or if I do I will be old and feeble by then.

I would have liked to seen it happen as a young man. Living through a state of absolute chaos where there is no order and its everyone for themselves, all trying to survive through post civilization collapse. I would have liked to have been young and capable then, hunting down and the fucks that made it happen. From the corporate CEO and their various lackeys, to the brainless apathetic sheep who watched while the world burned around them, to the hand wringing pathetic liberal asswipes who did nothing and buried their heads in the sand, to the mindless nazi thugs whose only contribution was misdirection and puerile rants.
No mercy.
I would have liked to lived through that. And had I died then I would have at least died doing something worthwhile.

[Anonymous No.14730290]

>>14730283
Have sex

[Anonymous No.14730292]

“For a protector of life, who is moved by the diversity of life (biodiversity), it is unthinkable that the whole Earth should belong only to one animal species, humanity. Look at man, this person will say: look at him in Bosnia, Palestine, Rwanda, Kurdistan; or look at him in Finland, engaging in inheritance disputes or phone sex or the trade union movement: is man above all other forms of life? Does man have the right to rule the destiny of millions of basically similar species? Is man the living image of God?”
― Pentti Linkola, Can Life Prevail?

[Anonymous No.14730295]

>>14730292
Yes.

[Anonymous No.14730296]

>>14730290
Nta but that is exactly part of a problem.
But granted, a subhuman like you would not understand.

[Anonymous No.14730301]

“Man has learned almost nothing even when confronted with the impending end of the world. The majority of people continue to make their daily choices on the basis of what they desire and what pleases them. Democracy caters to the whims of man: the will of the people. The consequences of this are frightening: what democracy leads to is the kind of suicidal society that we see all around us. Democracy is the most miserable of all known societal systems, the building block of doom. Therein the unmanageable freedom of production and consumption and the passions of the people are not only tolerated, but cherished as the highest values. The most serious environmental disasters occur in democracies.”
― Pentti Linkola

[Anonymous No.14730304]

>>14730296
Having protected sex with an attractive female is a problem? how so?

[Anonymous No.14730306]

>>14727209
>Religious fundamentalists with high fertility rates like the Amish will also grow exponentially.
Based
I guess being a "fundamentalist" (i.e. taking your religion seriously) was the right choice all along

[Anonymous No.14730310]

>>14730301
Well, that's bullshit.

[Anonymous No.14730331]

>>14730301
>The most serious environmental disasters occur in democracies.
As long as you ignore all of the communist states, especially the USSR and China, and also ignore all of the random autocratic shitholes dotted around the world.
Please do keep posting more quotes from this guy. It's the most effective way to argue against you people.

[Anonymous No.14730645]

>>14730331
Nta, I understand it, but its not expressed very well. But its not really a point worth arguing if you cant grasp the geopolitical context. Despite the fact that you are likely to remain contrarian I will make this one attempt. If not for you then for others who dont have a narrow mind and a poor education. I am not going to simplify it for you, if you cant follow the language then tough.
Democracy and capitalism are intrinsically linked. Every Democracy practices free market Capitalism to a greater rather than lesser extent. Without reference to the wider environmental issues this creates it does result in a temporary economic efficiency far more greater than any other political ideology. In turn this permits non-democratic countries that would never have developed past a basic agrarian society to compete in international markets, harnessing their labor force, and becoming "developing nations". Regardless of their stated political ideology and economic policies these countries become suppliers of consumer products and consumers of natural resources themselves, with a significant proportion of their excess energy production being effectively converted to population growth.
Democracy results in globalization. Without the collateral effects of Democracy on the world economy countries such as China and India would have remained agrarian backwaters. Consequently they would not have either experienced their recent population growth or the impact that growth has had on the local and global environments.
Furthermore globalization, as a direct result of Democratic countrie's economic efficiency, has the effect of either forcing developing countries to adopt free market policies or risk economic stagnation. Case in point being China which stopped being a communist state decades ago except in name.
All this is way above your pay grade I am sure, but I said I would try.

[Anonymous No.14730682]

just kill sub-X IQ people, depending on the territory

In France, sub 85 seems reasonable
In Sub saharian africa, sub 65

[Anonymous No.14730933]

>>14717291
you already know how to farm enough food
you already know how to build a house
you already know how to generate necessary utilities

Go on, go outside, be free. Build your own house, farm your own food. Noone will stop you and you probably inherited some land from an ancestor.
What do you want form the elites? you act as if youre an unfed baby

[Anonymous No.14730999]

>>14730682
I'm of the opinion that the population control examination should be somewhat more generalized than an IQ test.

[Anonymous No.14732210]

>>14730193
Holy fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.14732494]

/sci/ is the dumbest board on the site.

[Anonymous No.14732580]

>>14716801
Just don't have kids.

[Anonymous No.14732582]

>>14716801
Chained fish. Everyday until you like it.

[Anonymous No.14734464]

>>14730645

[Anonymous No.14734490]

>>14732494
I have not been reading any other boards, and I agree wholeheartedly.

[Anonymous No.14734870]

>>14716801
If you substract sub-saharan africa, the world is already at sub-replacement fertility (with nogs it's at around 2.3). We just have to keep the global south energy poor. If everyone consumed like the golden billion, the planet is fucking gone.

[Anonymous No.14734878]

>un finally makes background checks mandatory for couples who wants to have kids
>check on criminal record, genetics, iq, income and job stability, etc.
>rich people can buy a baby ticket
>athletes and high iq people get free tickets
simple as

[Anonymous No.14734897]

>>14734878
>t. human cattle.

[Anonymous No.14734903]

>>14734870
Does anyone actually know the population of Africa, the fertility rate, or the death rate? There was some interview on Canadian talk show on YouTube where some authors argued the real numbers are lower than we think. It's also in the interests of all parties involved to inflate the numbers.

[Anonymous No.14734905]

>>14734903
https://www.populationpyramid.net/africa/1960/

[Anonymous No.14734913]

>>14716801
Mandatory sterilisation in exchange for welfare. Naturally weeds out the genes and cultures that can't provide useful work to society. Won't happen because people are retards and muh poor niggers not being allowed to have 10 kids is unfair.

[Anonymous No.14734952]

>>14734913
You and your masters should be publicly skinned alive for putting people in a position where they can't sustain themselves unless they either slave away for your owmers or submit to a sterilization program.

[Anonymous No.14734979]

>>14734952
That position is created by reality. We're currently living in a delusional era where we pretend dysgenic selection will not result in eventual disaster because it would hurt people's feelings to face the truth. Maybe everyone will get UBI but the weight of holding up an increasing majority of society that contributes nothing will not be sustainable forever. At some point they will be forced to accept reality and the longer it is delayed, the less desirable that acceptance will be. Free money to end your failed genetic lineage is far preferable to fighting for survival in total societal collapse.

[Anonymous No.14734985]

>>14734979
>That position is created by reality.
The same reality that allows for the extrajudiciary killing of you and your handlers. You know, actual, factual reality. Not the one where "people" like you have imaginary "rights" that I can't take away at a whim.

[Anonymous No.14734992]

>>14734985
Yeah, but you won't do that. Tyranny isn't openly declared. It's implemented in steps too agreeable for anyone to sacrifice their life over any individual increment.

[Anonymous No.14735010]

>>14734992
You better hope your handlers don't make a slip. Loads and loads of people are just itching to get their hands on you.

[Anonymous No.14735017]

>>14735010
Why would they attack me of the other billions of people?

[Anonymous No.14735024]

>>14735017
Because you're a filthy and hated urbanite cattle from a middle class neighborhood. Who else are they going to target?

[Anonymous No.14735025]

>>14735024
Wrong. I work in a supermarket and make about half the average salary in a poor part of my country.

[Anonymous No.14735029]

>>14735025
Hmm. Fair enough. Maybe they won't target you, then, so long as you keep your mouth shut about your enthusiastic support for the human cattle system.

[Anonymous No.14735037]

>>14735029
They'll attack whoever the media tells them to. We've all experienced how few people actually hold meaningful opinions of their own over the past two years.

[Anonymous No.14735039]

>>14735037
Sounds like gigacope to me.

[Anonymous No.14735613]

>>14734905
reading comprehension

[Anonymous No.14735641]

>>14734878
>sorry, sweaty, $100k fine for each baby for being white

[Anonymous No.14735960]

>>14734913
>>14734979
>>14734992
Incredibly based anon.
>>14734952
Incredibly retarded pig fucker.

[Anonymous No.14736678]

>>14735641
Irrelevant. All white babies will be aborted. As required by law. Fortunately this will also become irrelevant once all white males are forcefully sterilized. Then we can look forward to a world finally freed from systemic white racism.

[Anonymous No.14736696]

>>14736678
>2047, last white holdout inna woods located by Amazon.gov killbots and exterminated
>next agenda: kill the lightskins

[Anonymous No.14736741]

>>14716981
actually it's just women's education
as it turns out the birth rate drops like a rock in places where girls are spending 10 hours a day doing bullshit in a supervised location

[Anonymous No.14736807]

>>14716801
we are peaking. soon, climate, epidemics, starvation,drought, wars and anime will have reduced these significantly.
look at demographic data the population is aging everywhere and the remainder can't keep gring without external help due to shit soil and climate.
oversimplifying for the thread but you get the idea. the next few years look scary on the horizon...

[Anonymous No.14736836]

>>14716801
the entire population of earth could fit into texas
entire food production could be done in africa
rest of the world as a animal sanctuary

[Anonymous No.14736872]

>>14736836
Midwit idea. How would you even begin the handle the logistics and infrastructure of almost 8 billion people concentrated in such an area?

[Anonymous No.14736873]

>>14736872
The same way big cities like Paris, Tokyo, or Beijing do.
You can do far better than that too.

[Anonymous No.14736876]

>>14736872
not him but people radiate heat. lie and sleep on/under people duh. human centipede also

[Anonymous No.14736899]

>>14736872
Literally just the population density of new York

[Anonymous No.14736903]

Literally retarded thread.
We are only a few years out from directly genetically modifying humans to express extreme female biased sexual size dimorphism. Women are going to be engineered to be 6'5"+ and thick, with large hips and wombs, and super fecund. This means the release several eggs each cycle so when impregnated they gestate litters. Even just 1 pregnancy will bear 4 children, so the population will exponentially increase at a rate of 4 children per woman even assuming just a single pregnancy per female. Population growth rates are going to explode.
Meanwhile, men are going to be engineered to all be small, like 3'10", but proportional and lean and super athletic, like boys on steroids. In this way they will only require a few hundred calories per day but will be capable of performing all relevant labor. Small males are superior to large ones in modern forms of combat and labor.

With this combination the population will expand at a continuous exponential rate and can never fall below replacement, AND will require less resources to support large population sizes, AND will be greatly advantaged against other populations in economic output and military power.

[Anonymous No.14736911]

>>14736873
>>14736899
In your minds drains delete waste, outlets generate electricity, and stores produce food.

[Anonymous No.14736916]

>>14736911
Efficient recycling and higher density power production (like nuclear) cover the first two. But yes, obviously an urban space is not growing its own food. That is a long ways off of becoming feasible in any meaningful capacity. Still, the land required for feeding that many people is not that much. We still have plenty of capacity for extra food production in the land we have even without taking drastic measures.

[Anonymous No.14736933]

>>14736911
>generate electricity
take a small sea or large lake, put turbines, keep nuking it to produce all the energy needed
>produce food.
less than 1% of the human population produces all the food we consume, this can be all done in afrika
>delete waste
bioengeneered bacteria that consumes plastics and shiet

[Anonymous No.14737177]

>>14736836
Again humans don't work that way. War, crime, corruption, greed, etc. will continue as they always have. Increasing the density just increases their intensity.

[Anonymous No.14737246]

>>14736903
>In this way they will only require a few hundred calories per day but will be capable of performing all relevant labor.
Retard. None of your plans will succeed unless you murder everyone on the planet first.

[Anonymous No.14737249]

>>14736903
Furthermore, you're up against furries like Chise and pedosexual neo nazis, both of whom are much smarter than you. Just kill yourself already.

[Anonymous No.14737286]

>>14736903
based, never stop posting

[Anonymous No.14737306]

>>14737177
Just castrate most men to reduce violence to zero

[Anonymous No.14737368]

>>14737246
>>14737249
This is your future femanon, please just accept it.
And no, those other demographics are not as intelligent as I am.

[Anonymous No.14737392]

>>14716801
You will have to do nothing because to actually do something about overpopulation means stopping feeding the poors. Since that is bad for profits and causes rebellions, you will keep feeding the poors until a major food crises causes first famine, then war.

[Anonymous No.14738430]

>>14717679
Wholesome and geologic-timespan-pill'd reasoning.
All shall be dust.

[Anonymous No.14739026]

UN doesn't even predict that we will reach 11B people nowadays. It's now revised to 10.4 max
UN usually revises downwards it's population projections.
>Two-thirds of the projected increase in global population through 2050 will be driven by the momentum of past growth that is embedded in the youthful age structure of the current population.
>Such growth would occur even if childbearing in today's high-fertility countries were to fall immediately to around two births per woman.
meaning
Today there are 1M old, 20M parents and 100M kids., or 121M people.
In 20 years in hypothetical scenario of sudden drop to 2.1 fertility 20M old, 100M parents, 100M kids. Or 220M people. 80% increase without more kids. (obviously this is oversimplification etc.)
>Given that most population increase until 2050 will be driven by the momentum of past growth, further actions by Governments aimed at reducing fertility would do little to slow the pace of growth between now and mid-century, beyond the gradual slowdown indicated by the projections presented here. Nevertheless, the cumulative impact of such changes could contribute to a more substantial reduction of global population growth in the second half of the century.
Meaning we are pretty much set at getting to 9B. The question is will we reach 11B or 10B.

[Anonymous No.14739027]

>>14716801
Bad thread. The real problem is declining population in all developed countries (pre-immigration at least) and many not-so developed ones too.

[Anonymous No.14739156]

>>14739027
>we need more people so we can have even less space for everything and run out of resources faster

[Anonymous No.14739160]

>>14739156
Keep repeating yourself, surely if you just do it enough you'll convince someone.

[Anonymous No.14739173]

>>14739160
I'm guessing you live in the middle of nowhere because there's no way you can look at any kind of urban area and say 'this needs more people'.

[Anonymous No.14739176]

>>14739173
>non-response

[Anonymous No.14739179]

>>14739176
Provide benefits of more people, then.

[Anonymous No.14739181]

>>14739179
More smart people = more better.

[Anonymous No.14739191]

>>14739181
Eugenics would achieve superior results.

[Anonymous No.14739220]

>>14739191
Yes. The eugenics of preventing the stupid from reproducing and having the intelligent reproduce a lot.

[Anonymous No.14739359]

>>14739181
Just shifting the IQ to the right wouldn't have such an effect by itself. It would be squabbling as usual. You would also need to get everyone on the same page. You would need three things. Firstly a society that was smart and which was in general agreement about the need to regulate population levels. Secondly a society that would create the political and economic systems required to implement it. Thirdly a society that was powerful and ruthless enough to either sterilize or exterminate any other people who disagreed with the first point. Because it is utterly pointless limiting your own population if everyone else breeds like rabbits.

[Anonymous No.14739365]

>>14739359
The smarter your people are the less you need to worry about having too much population and the more you need to worry about having too little population.

[Anonymous No.14739399]

>>14734913
Holy fucking based.
This is the only way. Adoption of nonrelatives should be banned, by the way.

[Anonymous No.14739451]

>>14739365
You are certainly one of the retarded ones, so it would a snip job for you.

[Anonymous No.14739460]

>>14739451
Being so stuck in your own fantasies isn't good for you. It makes you very disconnected from the real world.
Don't worry, when the smart people gain significance again mental institutions will be brought back and you'll be given the help you need.

[Anonymous No.14741098]

>>14716801
It's predicted by extrapolating current trends without accounting for any forces that tend to retard or counteract them.

As the rate of population growth outstrips the construction of dwellings and the increase in agricultural production there won't be enough food or shelter for everyone. Almost by definition it will be the poor who become homeless or starve first and this will control their birth rates, which will control the overall population growth because it's largely the poor driving population growth.

The only problem is redistributive government programs and policies that tend to put the burden of caring for the poor on the middle class. If the living conditions of the poor are kept too good for too long then it's possible that the result will be political or economic crisis instead. In the end the poor would still starve, but they might ruin things for everyone else, too.