/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.14702360]

Why do electricity volts travel in a disorderly, zigzag formation, and how can we make them straight and beam-like?

[Anonymous No.14702442]

>>14702360
>how can we make them straight and beam-like?
Laminar flow

[Anonymous No.14702450]

>>14702360
The gas it ionises through is messy

[Anonymous No.14702452]

ever watch a lightning bolt is slow motion?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQKhIK4pvYo
skip to 5:30

It creates a fan of very thin lightning bolts that slowly grows as it ionizes the air in the atmosphere till it reaches a new point of least resistance. I think the "zig zag" are an artifact left over from when the fan if first generated.

[Anonymous No.14702643]

>>14702360
What exactly is it that I'm looking at there.

Is all that light, electrons snapping into place in an atom, and or snapping out of place?

[Anonymous No.14702706]

>>14702643
A lot of it is black body radiation.

[Anonymous No.14702752]

the majority of the current is going to take the path of least resistance.
Imagine you're the very tip of a lightning bolt making its way towards the earth.
To you, it feels as if you're being actively pulled towards the earth. You love the earth. The earth is calling to you.
However, you're being pulled through something that's a lot like a dense forest. Also you're 90% blind. You can only see one step in front of you. So, you evaluate your options: In pretty much every direction it looks like a solid wall. However, there's one tiny little nook that's slightly less solid than the rest. You decide to step in that direction.
Repeat until you hit the ground.

Another way to think of it: imagine you're stuck deep underground in minecraft without a pickaxe. Are you going to punch your way through the solid stone? No, you're going to find a dirt vein and dig through that instead, even though the dirt vein path is a lot more winding, you'll still get back to the surface faster.

since the atmosphere in a thunderstorm is a roiling mass of conductors and insulators, the resistance at any given point at any given time is going to be nearly random. This stochastic effect, combined with the attractive force of the earth, is what causes the zigzag-like paths in the lightning.

[Anonymous No.14702764]

>>14702360
Because the atoms in the air are disordered

[Anonymous No.14702824]

>>14702452
>It creates a fan of very thin lightning bolts
teh fuck retard? It's science board, what happens to the electrons flow?

[Anonymous No.14702829]

>>14702706
Which is created by electrons rapidly moving... which is what he said sad fuck.
He guessed the internal concept and you spew your filthy mouth with made up terms like nigger body radiation thinking you're smart

[Anonymous No.14702877]

>>14702824
>what happens to the electrons flow?
They... flow? What do you think they should do?

[Anonymous No.14702925]

>>14702877
>They... flow
Ok i take it back, stick to saying "It creates a fan of very thin lightning bolts" it makes you smarter

[Anonymous No.14702927]

>>14702925
Why is any of this confusing to you?

[Anonymous No.14703088]

>>14702452
>>14702360
Does electric flow look like this is pure ~0g vacuum?

[Anonymous No.14703092]

>>14702360
This is a chain reaction or electrons colliding? And it goes to the ground because... There's a lot of open electron orbitals there and gravity?

[Anonymous No.14703096]

>>14702752
>Imagine you're the very tip of a lightning bolt making its way towards the earth.
What is the tip of the lightning bolt made of?
Is it electrons? Or atoms with abundant electrons losing electrons? Or electrons leaving atoms? Or electrons accelerated into other electrons?

[Anonymous No.14703111]

>>14703096
Imagine a crack opening up along a cliff face. What is the tip of that crack made of? Air? Rock?
How does the crack know where to go?
It doesn't. It's just an inherent, intrinsic path implicitly defined by the sum total of all of the weakest points through the rock.

in the lightning's case, it's just like an electric fissure opening up in the atmospheric cliff face. The electrons just rush in to fill the hole.

[Anonymous No.14703174]

>>14702643
A high frequency pilot arc from a tungsten electrode with a bunch of shit shopped in the background

[Anonymous No.14703311]

Lightning travels in a disorderly path because the air is of uneven density and moisture, so dielectric breakdown (where the air ionizes and becomes conductive) happens in many semi-random paths at once. There is a hypothetical technology called an electrolaser that does what you want, though. If you send a strong enough laser pulse through the air, the electric field component of the light gets strong enough (a photon is just a ripple in the electromagnetic field, after all) that the air rips apart and ionizes, becoming conductive. For the split second the pathway is conductive you are free to then send lightning down it and electrocute the everliving fuck out of whatever the laser was pointing at. New Vegas: Old World Blues had one of these, it was called the LAER.

[Anonymous No.14703344]

>>14702360
Ehh
RAITON: LASER CIRCUS

[Anonymous No.14703352]

>>14702360
And I'll do it again
SAGE MODE: LIGHT FANG

[Anonymous No.14703414]

>>14703088
>is
*In

[Anonymous No.14703415]

>>14703092
>or
*Of

[Anonymous No.14703419]

>>14703111
>in the lightning's case, it's just like an electric fissure opening up in the atmospheric cliff face. The electrons just rush in to fill the hole.
But I'm sure air pockets occur all the time without lightning.

So it's kind of like an unzippering of atoms to their neighbors?

Are the same exact electrons traveling from start to finish?.

Or it's a newton's craddle of electrons?

Is it free electrons?

Or all/mostly electrons locked in atoms?

A cluster of atoms is strongly forced into another and this sends an energetic chain reaction of atoms electrons strongly repelling into atoms electrons and this let's out a lot of light?.

[Anonymous No.14705181]

>>14703419
Gpt-6 answer this please, thanks

[Anonymous No.14705196]

>>14703088
by definition pure vacuum can have no electric flow, as electric flow is made of electrons, which are matter

it's okay, I once looked up how fast the moon spins and felt pretty stupid when I saw the answer

[Anonymous No.14705313]

>>14705196
So multiple beams of electrons and ions are shot in different and criss crossing directions, along with copper wires, in the way, and magnets, all of this stuff, in vacuum.

No electrical buzzy shocky lightening arcy activity occurs?

[Anonymous No.14705342]

>>14705313
No. Pure vacuum is the ultimate insulator. Better than rubber shoes even. Electrons cant move at all because there is nothing to move to. No atoms means no where to go

[Anonymous No.14706189]

>>14705342
Explain CRT screens.

[Anonymous No.14708216]

>>14705342
>Electrons cant move at all because there is nothing to move to. No atoms means no where to go
Electrons can't move at all in vacuum? You can't shoot an electron beam in vacuum?

[Anonymous No.14708264]

>>14706189
>>14708216
No you really cannot use an electromagnetic phenomena without the proper conditions set up to induce it to exist in the first place. It really doesn't travel from "point a to b". It's "point a and b have to induce the conditions for electromagnetic phenomena to occur".

[Anonymous No.14708392]

>>14708264
If you take the strongest permenrant magnets known, into a volume of vacuum in space, and bring their Npole towards the other ones Npole what happens in between them?


But ok, say you have a copper wire in vacuum.
But first you are saying an electric beam cannot be fired in space?

I always read about electron beams in lab experiments in which one assumes or remembers reading experiments are often done in vacuum (I know not as good as space vacuum I think) if you bring those electron beam firing guns into vacuum space;

It won't emit electron beams?

[Anonymous No.14708576]

>>14708392
>volume of vacuum
>a copper wire in vacuum
>(I know not as good as space vacuum I think)
>electron beam firing guns into vacuum space

So how is it a "vacuum" when you negate it being a vacuum by doing all these things IN it (the place where nothing is).

[Anonymous No.14708769]

>>14708576
A vacuum exists in space, let's say we travel to in-between galaxies, might volume there be vacuum? Or in between solar system?

Or the best vacuums are made on earth?

If you put the items I mentioned in such vacuum spaces, it will still be a vacuum, just with some items in it.

VACUUM
+
2 STRONGEST PERMENANT MAGNETS IN WORLD
=
VACUUM WITH 2 STRONGEST PERMENANT MAGNETS IN THE WORLD I IT.

[Anonymous No.14708784]

>>14708769
>A vacuum exists in space
>might volume there be vacuum?
>vacuums are made
No

>If you put the items I mentioned in such vacuum spaces, it will still be a vacuum
No. It would contradict your claims that there is a "vacuum".
.

[Anonymous No.14708844]

>>14708784
The vacuum is still there. If I brought a grain of sand into a vacuum, it wouldn't be, A VACUUM with a grain of sand in it?

[Anonymous No.14708874]

>>14702360
Zoomers are obsessed with control.

Listen you little fuckers, you should of been swallowed.

[Anonymous No.14708957]

>>14708844
>The vacuum is still there
Not by definition lol.
>If I brought a grain of sand into a vacuum
Then you and the sand would negate it being a vacuum...

[Anonymous No.14709024]

>>14703096
>What is the tip of the lightning bolt made of?
Plasma

[Anonymous No.14709047]

>>14708957
>Then you and the sand would negate it being a vacuum...
I didn't say I would be in it, I said just a grain of sand.

If there was a 100x 100 yard volume of vacuum, with only a grain of sand in it (or only an electron) describe all the things in that 100 x 100 yard volume?

Would it not be a vacuum, + a grain of sand?

Without the grain of sand it's a vacuum.

With the grain of sand it's..... Space with a grain of sand in it?

With grain of sand it has 0 qualities in common with vacuum?

[Anonymous No.14709100]

>>14708874
*should have

[Anonymous No.14709467]

>>14706189
A crt is using an electron gun, propelling electrons in a vacuum towards the screen where they strike a layer of phosphorus to create visible light. It has nothing to do with arcing