/sfg/ - Spaceflight General: Io Edition

[Anonymous No.14661871]

Previous >>14657290

>Upcoming launches
July 17 1050 EDT - SpaceX - Falcon 9 - SLC-40, Florida - Starlink 4-22
July 21 1313 EDT - SpaceX - Falcon 9 - VSFB, California - Starlink 3-2
July 22 2000 EDT - Rocket Lab - Electron - New Zealand - Classified NRO payload
July 24 0220 EDT - CASC - Long March 5B - Wenchang, China - Wentian laboratory module for the Chinese space station
July 30 - JAXA - Epsilon - Uchinoura, Japan - RAISE-3 technology demonstration payloads
July 30 - SpaceX - Falcon 9 - Florida - Starlink 4-25
August 2 - SpaceX - Falcon 9 - Florida - Korean Pathfinder Lunar Orbiter
Q3 - Astra Space - Rocket 3 - California? Florida? - TROPICS-2 & 3
Q3 - Relativity - Terran 1 - LC-16, Florida - Debut flight
Q3 - Landspace - ZhuQue-2 - Jiaquan, China - Debut flight, first Chinese private and methalox rocket
Q3 - ABL Space - RS1 - Alaska - Debut flight
Q3 - NASA - SLS - 39B, Florida - Artemis I, uncrewed debut flight to lunar orbit and capsule reentry
Q4 - SpaceX - Starship - Texas - Debut flight
>FTS Archive
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1KCJBL632oieD1r6JOh_5Eg9NTcf_-hH8?usp=sharing

[Anonymous No.14661882]

[Anonymous No.14661889]

I love SpaceX so much bro’s

[Anonymous No.14661891]

>>14661871
Glass the Earth, demigod war eventually

[Anonymous No.14661905]

>>14661889
I still don't believe how SpaceX has consistently managed to BRUTALLY FUCKING MOG EVERYONE in the aerospace industry. How does this guy that smoke pot beat us?

[Anonymous No.14661915]

>>14661905
Startup culture is really good at finding people who want to do cool shit with no strings attached and give up their lives to achieve it

It helps that you can see your accomplishments actually change the world versus dumb tech shit that sells ads

[Anonymous No.14661918]

>>14661905
Drive + Actually having money + No weird conditions attached to their projects like NASA has

[Anonymous No.14661928]

>>14661871
Reminder that the first orbital Kerosene upper stage in the US flew after 1965 was on Falcon 1 flight 1. The US just used hypergolics, solids, or hydrogen for their upper stage. Seriously. The exception is the Titan I, which was kerosene unlike its hypergolic descendants, and it flew from 1959 to 1961
>Atlas Agena
Hypergolic
>Atlas Centaur
Hydrogen
>Saturn V
Hydrogen
>Delta family until IV
Hypergolic
>Titan II-IV
Hypergolic

[Anonymous No.14661935]

>>14661928
Wow I really butchered my grammar. The first kerosene upper stage in the US to fly since the retirement of the Titan I in 1965 was the Falcon 1 in 2006. For some reason, NASA never considered kerosene upper stages ever again. The Titan I even switched to hypergolics and never looked back.

[Anonymous No.14661941]

>>14661928
I wonder how long multiple ignition was a problem

[Anonymous No.14661946]

so...did they pass tonight's test...?

[Anonymous No.14661954]

>>14661941
The first restartable upper stage flew in 1960 as the Ablestar stage onboard the Thor-Ablestar. Ablestar used the same engine as the Apollo CSM, the shuttle, and eventually Orion.

[Anonymous No.14661961]

>>14661871
>Io edition
Much respect for this thread anon. My love of sulphur boi surpasses all moons

[Anonymous No.14661971]

>Trying to figure out what Soviet Mars mission could have possibly found water

It would have had to have been Mars 96, which was targeted at Amazonis Planitia

>>14661954
With kerosene, I mean

[Anonymous No.14661974]

>>14661971
i thought they use nasa's satellite to find water

[Anonymous No.14661979]

How can I get a rough estimate for point-to-point fuel requirements? Even ignoring air resistance would be okay, I'm more interested in hopping around Mars.

[Anonymous No.14661993]

>>14661871
TROPICS 2 and 3 are canceled. We're not flying them this year because the upper stage guys are fags and can't do anything right. Pressurefed is more reliable, huh, Benjamin, you dumb applefag yid? Go sniff the teateb at the Rocket 4 test stand you fucking retard kike.

[Anonymous No.14662034]

>>14661993
Astranon is that you?

[Anonymous No.14662068]

WHAT HAPPENED?

[Anonymous No.14662071]

>>14661979
I would take a guess and say that you can reach any point on Mars for less than 3600 m/s of delta-v which is the amount required to reach LMO. Say you have a hopper with an engine that has 350 seconds of Isp, your propellant mass fraction could be as low as .33 so if it was 30t wet it would be 10t dry and at least half of could be payload. That can be scaled as needed for a very rough approximation.

[Anonymous No.14662073]

>>14661993
Based Astranon

[Anonymous No.14662075]

>>14661993
Time to abandon the ship.

[Anonymous No.14662085]

>>14662068
SOMEONE SET UP US THE BOMB

[Anonymous No.14662098]

>>14661993
Astra Spinlaunch flies again!

[Anonymous No.14662113]

Would a Mars tank use conventional missiles and cannons with

[Anonymous No.14662168]

>>14661993
i fucking told you that starship should have won it

[Anonymous No.14662180]

>>14661993
lmao seething

[Anonymous No.14662195]

Would a Mars tank be able to use conventional missiles and cannons, or would something weird be more fitting

[Anonymous No.14662198]

brb shorting astra

[Anonymous No.14662203]

So did NASA tell Astra their rocket wouldn’t cut it? I’m confused.

[Anonymous No.14662205]

>>14662198
I'm long on black holes.

[Anonymous No.14662210]

>>14661993
BASED ASTRANON

[Anonymous No.14662225]

>>14662195
use plasma cannon lmao

[Anonymous No.14662229]

>>14661993
Uh oh, that's homophobic. I'm reporting you to the HR department.

[Anonymous No.14662234]

>>14662229
> I'm reporting you to the HR department.
Ladies(male) and gentlemen, we got him

[Anonymous No.14662253]

>>14661993
>Go sniff the teateb
what does teatab smell like? asking for a friend

[Anonymous No.14662262]

when are the JUST jupiter pics dropping?

[Anonymous No.14662314]

Approval & start of NASA mission to Uranus when? And how long would it take? 8 or 10 years?

[Anonymous No.14662415]

>>14662314
delayed due to covid

[Anonymous No.14662480]

>>14662253
Fiery death.

[Anonymous No.14662635]

>>14662314
-5 years ago and arriving in 2037

[Anonymous No.14662665]

https://russianspaceweb.com/roskosmos.html#2022
>On July 15, 2022, after several days of persistent rumors, the Kremlin announced that Dmitry Rogozin had been dismissed as the head of the Roskosmos State Corporation. At the same time, the former Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov was appointed the new Director General at Roskosmos.
HE GONE

[Anonymous No.14662666]

>>14662314
12-14 years travel time with an estimated arrival of 2044-2049

[Anonymous No.14662669]

>>14662635
I wish they pivoted SLS for deep space probes. We need to get a big ass LH2 kickstage for Starship.

[Anonymous No.14662673]

>>14662665

[Anonymous No.14662678]

>>14662665
Rip in peace shitposter in chief

[Anonymous No.14662687]

>>14662665
TO THE GULAG

[Anonymous No.14662704]

http://parabolicarc.com/2022/07/14/cash-strapped-masten-space-furloughs-employees-moon-landing-mission-at-risk/
>Cash-strapped Masten Space Systems has furloughed all of its staff, putting at risk both the company and a $75.9 million NASA-funded mission to deliver the MoonRanger rover and eight scientific payloads to the lunar surface aboard Masten’s XL-1 lander late next year.
>“XL-1 is basically dead. To my knowledge, everyone who was working exclusively on XL1 has been laid off,” a source familiar with the situation told Parabolic Arc in a written response to questions.
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1547925737193086977
>I've heard Masten is filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy soon, but have not been able to confirm this.
fuck

[Anonymous No.14662708]

>>14662665
>>14662687

[Anonymous No.14662728]

>>14662665
There's a >60% chance that Rogozin falls off a balcony or suffers a sudden heart attack in the next 4 years.

[Anonymous No.14662741]

> return from Mars
> this is your life now

[Anonymous No.14662746]

>>14662741
>return from Mars
Why?

[Anonymous No.14662748]

>>14662741
>coming back from mars
deserved

[Anonymous No.14662769]

>>14662746
because it sucks

[Anonymous No.14662771]

>>14662769
So don't go there? Whats the issues

[Anonymous No.14662776]

>>14662769
That's fine. Living and dying in extreme conditions makes my peepee hard.

[Anonymous No.14662782]

>>14662769
A case for mars debunked this

[Anonymous No.14662783]

[Anonymous No.14662800]

>>14662665
Thank you Rogozin, you did a good job.

[Anonymous No.14662802]

ISS seat swap just finalized

[Anonymous No.14662814]

>>14662666
It might be faster to wait for DFD.

[Anonymous No.14662825]

>>14661993
lol based

[Anonymous No.14662831]

>>14662665
S but also a little bit of F

[Anonymous No.14662832]

Where is Firefly Alpha?

[Anonymous No.14662835]

>Rogozin booted
>within the same hour crew swap is confirmed
Are these events related or naw?

[Anonymous No.14662846]

>>14662835
Journos say no but I'm saying yes until proven otherwise

[Anonymous No.14662850]

>>14662835
Mostly coincidence in that they’ve been working on this for months, but also not in that it’s a good chance for Moscow to publicly mock someone who has clearly fallen out of favor with them.

[Anonymous No.14662862]

>>14661954
pressure-fed hypergolic engines are by far the easiest to restart in space. as long as you can get the valves to open you're grand.
>>14661941
agena had a lot of failures in the early days and ruined some high-profile missions (gemini 6, basically the entire ranger program). it wasn't really until the late 60s that they got everything ironed out. not all of those were directly related to restarting it but it was just a complex piece of equipment and any restartable kerolox stage would've probably had the same growing pains.

[Anonymous No.14662870]

>>14662835
Possibly. In one case, the military/defense industry doesn't want to jeopardize the space industry side of things, so they want all the politicking from the space to go away. Rogozin doing all the crazy shits isn't helping Russian prestige but diminishing decades of Russia/Soviet space program.
On the other hand, it could just be a routine change of leadership.

Most would like Rogozin's going away reason to be a political fallout reason, but it could also be likely that its not completely political.

[Anonymous No.14662883]

>Anna Kikina
Crew-5 on Sept

>Andrei Fedyaev
Crew-6 coming spring in 2023

Russian cosmonaut on Crew Dragon.

[Anonymous No.14662898]

>>14662870
It's a political appointment. It may not be related to the bullshit that happens on Twitter, but his departure is necessarily political in nature.

[Anonymous No.14662903]

>>14662862
>pressure-fed hypergolic engines are by far the easiest to restart in space.
Anon, I... >>14661993

[Anonymous No.14662905]

>>14662898
When I say "political" I meant relating to his abrasiveness against NASA/Musk/SpaceX/International partners/etc.

Ofcourse the Roscosmos chief is a political apointee in nature, but the question on everyones mind is, is the replacement for Rogozin simply because Rogozin has been on the post for 10 years and thus needs a new leadership or is it related to Rogozin's policies themselves.

[Anonymous No.14662913]

>>14662835
I feel like there would have been a longer delay between them if they were.

[Anonymous No.14662914]

>>14662903
restarting an engine kinda assumes you figured out how to make it start in the first place

[Anonymous No.14662940]

>>14662665
I'm going to miss him and his shenanigans

[Anonymous No.14662949]

>>14662940
You will pay for your war crimes, Elona Musk

[Anonymous No.14662959]

>>14661882
astroshit is for losers

[Anonymous No.14663003]

https://spacenews.com/spacex-to-launch-masten-lunar-lander/

welp, CLPS is off to a rough start

[Anonymous No.14663010]

>>14662883
Can't wait for the FUD and the stupidity to come from the American media about this, they will try to scandalize both NASA and SpaceX but especially SpaceX even though they just carry crew for NASA but the general public is dumb so it won't matter

[Anonymous No.14663022]

>>14663010
twitter clearly lives rent free in your head so you should just go back there

[Anonymous No.14663026]

>>14663022
nah this will be broader and MSM-wide maybe even both dem and reps

[Anonymous No.14663030]

>>14663026
please stop doomposting and let me have a shred of hope in the world

[Anonymous No.14663036]

>>14662665

[Anonymous No.14663045]

>>14663003
>“We ran out of money after grossly underbidding. The estimate was $105 million but I was told that we had found a 30 million dollar private customer who wanted to fly with us,” the source said.
>However, that customer later pulled out the venture. Subsequent attempts to fill the gap failed, the source added.
brilliant...

http://parabolicarc.com/2022/07/14/cash-strapped-masten-space-furloughs-employees-moon-landing-mission-at-risk/

[Anonymous No.14663052]

>>14662673
>neo-stalinist

[Anonymous No.14663054]

>>14661993
Well at least I don't need to edit another Tropics funeral picture for now, then.

[Anonymous No.14663058]

Rogo bros...

[Anonymous No.14663064]

>>14663045
>customer pulling out without contingencies

[Anonymous No.14663068]

>>14662665
last seen photo of him

[Anonymous No.14663072]

>>14663045
>>14662704
Fucking rip
Masten had some cool shit they were working on
The ice mining rover was pretty neat
https://youtu.be/wdxUF9jIqkg

[Anonymous No.14663098]

>>14663058

[Anonymous No.14663101]

I suspect most CLPS missions will never happen
>Masten is one of four companies awarded contracts for CLPS lunar landers. The other companies include: Astrobotic Technology of Pittsburgh, Pa.; Firefly Aerospace of Cedar Park, Texas; and Intuitive Machines of Houston, Texas.
Firefly is on deaths door and the other two are like masten

[Anonymous No.14663111]

>>14662832

The second launch attempt is dated for September 2022.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefly_Alpha#Launch_history

[Anonymous No.14663119]

nth for fuck berger

[Anonymous No.14663120]

>>14663101
Probably
Intuitive Machines was claiming that their flight was like a month away at the beginning of the year. Now it's been kicked down the road to infinity.
As much as Vulcan/BE4 delays are a meme, Tory is now talking about maybe flying a dummy payload on the first Vulcan since it's moving faster than Astrobotic.

[Anonymous No.14663121]

>>14663119
you're gonna get to spend a lot more time with us now, right dmitry?

[Anonymous No.14663132]

Post your favorite Cold War ultra-heavy lift concept.

Convair Nexus SSTO

[Anonymous No.14663142]

>>14663111
What’s taking them so long? Astra has managed to shit out multiple missions before them.

[Anonymous No.14663159]

>>14662802
>no-exchange-of-funds
Rogozin must be spinning in his rapidly vanishing seat.

[Anonymous No.14663163]

>>14663045
how do you have 20+ engineers and nobody can figure out the actual cost of sending a lander to the moon lmao

[Anonymous No.14663183]

>>14663163
Fire 19 of 'em and let the last guy figure it out himself, probably go quicker.

[Anonymous No.14663184]

>>14663163
Engineers aren't good with money

[Anonymous No.14663188]

>>14663163
engineering and budgeting are incompatible skill sets

[Anonymous No.14663196]

Posted in the earlier thread but I found a paper about Saturn V derivatives and their costs from 1966.
>Two Stage Saturn V
$750 million today; 116 tons to LEO
>Stretched Two stage Saturn V with four dual F-1 boosters
$1.5 billion today; 260 tons to LEO

http://www.astronautix.com/data/satvint.pdf

[Anonymous No.14663201]

>>14663052
>flag
is this loss?

[Anonymous No.14663222]

>>14663142
Firefly has internally been much more of a shitshow for the past year than Astra. This captures some of it, but this was before Markusic was ousted.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/after-9-difficult-months-firefly-is-set-to-take-its-next-shot-at-orbit/

Also, quality over quantity. When Astra and Firefly failed back to back, it was obvious to me that Astra would fly at least twice before Firefly did again. Astra has now launched four times with two successes since then.

[Anonymous No.14663231]

>>14663184
Unless you're Musk, who has both physics and economics degree, as well as engineering skillsets + manufacturing skillsets + logistics skillsets, etc

[Anonymous No.14663268]

>>14661954
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Orion, is in fact, SLS/Orion, or as I've recently taken to calling it, SLS plus Orion. Orion is not a launch vehicle unto itself, but rather another multibillion dollar component of a partially functioning pork system made useless by the SLS subcontractors, shitty designs, and Alabama river rocks comprising a gigantic scam as defined by the GAO.

Many taxpayers fund a small part of the SLS scam every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of SLS which is widely mocked today is often called "Orion", and many of its victims are not aware that it is basically the SLS scam, developed by the SLS lobbyists.

There really is an Orion, and these people are seeing it blow up, but it is just a part of the scam they fund. Orion is the capsule: the payload in the system that allocates the government's resources to other districts that need pork. The capsule is an essential part of a launch system, but useless by itself; it can only incinerate astronauts in the context of a complete launch system. Orion is normally used in combination with the SLS boondoggle: the whole scam is basically SLS with Orion added, or SLS/Orion. All the so-called "Orion" debris fields are really distributions of SLS/Orion.

[Anonymous No.14663351]

>>14663268
Orion’s AJ-10 engine has been flying since 1946 lol

[Anonymous No.14663396]

So ISS cooperation is back?

[Anonymous No.14663399]

>>14663231
Musk is cheating since he has perfect memory

[Anonymous No.14663403]

>>14663396
Russia realized that they will die unless they get handouts from other countries so yes

[Anonymous No.14663426]

How much of a clown world is this when US is blatantly supplying HIMARS to Ukraine and they decide to continue cooperation on ISS.
At least in Afghanistan there was plausible deniability.

[Anonymous No.14663428]

>>14663396
No
NASA is just trying to pretend they can work with war criminals
It'll come undone soon

[Anonymous No.14663430]

>>14663428
>NASA is just trying to pretend they can work with war criminals
Well It would be pretty hard for NASA to work without the US

[Anonymous No.14663431]

>>14663426
It seems like both sides are okay with that.

[Anonymous No.14663432]

>>14663426
Proxy wars don't count outside of the atmosphere, you get a mulligan up there.

[Anonymous No.14663447]

>>14663430
The US has never commited a warcrime

[Anonymous No.14663451]

>>14663447
>The US has never commited a warcrime

[Anonymous No.14663452]

>>14663447
Sure we have, but some of them were justified.

[Anonymous No.14663454]

>>14663452
Hiroshima wasn't a warcrime

[Anonymous No.14663456]

>>14663451
There’s no such thing as a war crime if you’re the winner. Unless you’re Obama or Russia interfering with satellites because apparently nobody wants to call them out

[Anonymous No.14663458]

>>14663452
It was an atmospheric removal test, please ignore

[Anonymous No.14663462]

>>14663458
It worked, albeit only briefly. Exciting work continues on solving the atmosphere problem permanently.

[Anonymous No.14663463]

>>14663426
Neither the US/Russia wants to lose ISS co-operation. US supporting Ukraninans in defense against Russian invasion isn't clowning. Both sides see this as a limited/localized action, while the ISS is considered global politics.

[Anonymous No.14663471]

>>14663463
More people should be outraged at NASA working with the commies

[Anonymous No.14663473]

>>14663471
>commies being there
>2022
Fucking retard

[Anonymous No.14663476]

>>14663268
>be rocket engineer

Work for national agency
>paid to draw a single-use manned flag planting rocket
>forced to reuse and upgrade 80yrs oldspace design
>no unproven newspace technology allowed to be tested
>have to wear cap made of red tape
>every few years your budget and design goal reset
>do mission-critical R&D side-project that will never be used
>people call you a tax-thief with a cushy-job

Work for private company
>paid to build a reusable mars rocket right now
>free hands to try any imaginable new engines and concept
>no outdated oldspace technology allowed to be produced
>green paper fall from the sky
>money keep coming no matter how many prototype explode
>get all mission-critical R&D for free from national agency
>your boss can't even pay tax if he wanted to.

[Anonymous No.14663478]

>>14663452
The firebombing campains of Tokyo were way worse than Hiroshima/Nagasaki DESU

[Anonymous No.14663481]

>>14663471
ISS was created as a means to contain the escalating tensions. As a last rope towards escalation.

[Anonymous No.14663486]

>>14663481
Its why the ISS was a mistake
Ilthe cold war should have went hot

[Anonymous No.14663488]

>>14663486
And STS tanks should have stayed in orbit to be used in station construction.

[Anonymous No.14663491]

>>14663486
There was a good reason to cool the tension back then, as there is a good reason to cool the tension today.

[Anonymous No.14663499]

>>14663491
Wrong
The US should have invaded when the soviets collapsed
Now look at this mess

[Anonymous No.14663517]

>>14663476
>people call you a tax-thief with a cushy-job
That's true, because 90% of the people "suffering" that oldspace crap are apathetic, will never be fired, and have guaranteed pay raises each year. The remaining 10% are deluded trannies and diversity hires.

>green paper fall from the sky
>money keep coming no matter how many prototype explode
lol ask Astranon. Unless you're referring to go-nowhere Blorgin or sweatshop SpaceX.

>your boss can't even pay tax if he wanted to.
Well, yeah, when you reinvest earnings into capex you're just delaying your tax bill for a larger one later. Or instead of Bezos are you referring to Elon "Largest IRS Payment Ever Made By An Individual Citizen" Musk?

[Anonymous No.14663528]

>>14663499
>Now look at this mess
Oh we are bro and we're laughing

[Anonymous No.14663573]

>>14663120
>Tory is now talking about maybe flying a dummy payload on the first Vulcan since it's moving faster than Astrobotic.
>>14663101
holy shit CLPS is cursed what the hell is going on is SpaceX gonna have to do everything

[Anonymous No.14663574]

>>14663517
All of those have equivalent yes

>sweatshop SpaceX
Talking about how the company itself receive plenty of subsidies or contract no matter what crazy plan he have, also a color pun on red tape

>referring to Elon
He only paid taxes willingly because it was becoming a PR problem, his fortune is all stock&shares, I guess it's more correct to say he can't be taxed on it unless he want to.

[Anonymous No.14663618]

why do all the onions people get so excited about jwst but none of them care about things like starship?

[Anonymous No.14663619]

>>14663481
I thought it was more like an expression of thawing relations. In no way would the ISS stop countries from implementing "realpolitik" "national interests"

[Anonymous No.14663622]

>>14663574
>Talking about how the company itself receive plenty of subsidies or contract no matter what crazy plan he have, also a color pun on red tape

Hey jeff

[Anonymous No.14663641]

>>14663618
They don't care what something does or how much it costs. They only care if there is a man they can point to that got rich in the process. That determines whether it is good or bad. It really is that absurdly simple. A company could solve fusion and end most of human carbon emissions, but if that CEO got rich in the process he is a mustache twirling man who must be destroyed.

[Anonymous No.14663650]

I haven't been on /sfg/ for the last 2 hours. Give it to me straight, bros. Why is Musk finished this time?

[Anonymous No.14663653]

>>14663622
What Elon shill? Can't even recognize the truth anymore?
Do we need to sugarcoat it so you don't go in a fugue state?

[Anonymous No.14663660]

>>14662665
Can someone explain russian politics to me? He seemed like he was doing what putin wanted, who wanted him gone?

[Anonymous No.14663663]

>>14663618
No one cares about space flight. Just like you don’t see anyone excited about SLS. Astronomy pictures are one of the few things that the public engages with. When they were going to cancel the Hubble repair mission after it failed in orbit the public outcry was what saved the mission.

[Anonymous No.14663665]

>>14663650
His father is into incest.

[Anonymous No.14663668]

>>14663653
>Do we need to sugarcoat it so you don't go in a fugue state?

We only eat immensley complex carbohydrates

[Anonymous No.14663682]

>>14663665
Damn, sounds like it's actually ogre this time

[Anonymous No.14663686]

>>14663618
astroonomy doesn't conflict with the look but never touch planetary protection garbage. expanding the human race to new worlds is icky colonialism

[Anonymous No.14663693]

Will Latin America ever have a unified space program like ESA?

Being so close to the equator you would think there would be launch sites

[Anonymous No.14663694]

>>14662769
>terran propaganda

[Anonymous No.14663695]

>>14663668
Wtf, is there's a new meme going on food?
Go drink Dihydrogen Monoxide and catch acute tissue hydration already

[Anonymous No.14663697]

>>14663693
>Unified?
No. We all hate each other. Spicbros, our best bet of flying to space is buying a ticket on starship

[Anonymous No.14663715]

>>14663693
>Will Latin America ever have a unified space program like ESA?
I think they reached their peak civilization few decades ago. Best they will do is host some ESO observatories.

[Anonymous No.14663717]

>>14663660
Putin probably had a better friend that needed a "reward".

[Anonymous No.14663719]

>>14663693
Mexico used to have one that planned to launch smallsats, but the gov axed it because budget afaik. Panama is one of the countries i'd see with a decent space program if the public and goverment wanted it

[Anonymous No.14663722]

>>14663695
gamers, take this newfag away

[Anonymous No.14663737]

>>14663665
So now they're digging up shit from 30+ years ago and passing it off as news?

[Anonymous No.14663746]

>>14663641
>but if that CEO got rich in the process he is a mustache twirling man who must be destroyed.
only if they're white
if they're one of G*d's chosen, they're untouchable by anyone

[Anonymous No.14663753]

>January 28, 1958
>Pilot Jebediah Kerman flies his T-10 trainer close to the Ganymede I rocket carrying the Dawn 1 spacecraft
>Following the failure of Vela TV-3 in December of 1957, the US army started a crash program to turn the PGM-11 Heimdall Missile into an orbital vehicle, now called Ganymede
>Jebediah crashed his plane on landing but he made it out unscathed and ended up taking a seat near the Cape Canaveral viewing complex

[Anonymous No.14663760]

They did a relight test of a Raptor at 12:38 on the NSF McGregor stream.

[Anonymous No.14663761]

>>14663665
>step
not incest

[Anonymous No.14663775]

>>14663753
Dawn-1 just failed and it’s too embarrassing I had to delete the save lol. Fuckkkkkk me I had almost 60 Sub-orbital missions and stuff too

[Anonymous No.14663789]

>>14663760
There's like half a dozen engine tests there per day it seems like

Shits crazy

[Anonymous No.14663791]

>>14663618
Because the former is hyped up by the mainstream media. Plus, JWST is a new thing.

[Anonymous No.14663799]

>At his first meeting with the heads of Roscosmos, Yuri Borisov announced the main goals of the corporation according his opinion: the mass production of military and civilian spacecraft, space equipment construction, and the unification of the component base. Science and cooperation are not the priority, but that was obvious.
https://twitter.com/katlinegrey/status/1548013621170450432

[Anonymous No.14663801]

>>14663799
"A high production rate solves many ills". Can't remember who said that.

[Anonymous No.14663803]

>>14663801
Hitler when ordering the production of Panzer VIII Maus.

[Anonymous No.14663805]

>>14663799
I wish Russia was strong enough to be a competitor in space

>>14663803
Didn’t the Germans make too many Panzer variants and ended up making supply lines difficult?

[Anonymous No.14663809]

>>14663753
aaaaaahh, you should get the Katniss Cape Canaveral mod, I can't bear to look at the st*ck location.

[Anonymous No.14663810]

>>14662665
Bye, Felicia!

[Anonymous No.14663813]

>>14662870
More so, in the space journosphere, its because 2 things

1) Rogozin is being moved to oversee Donbass region
2) His replacement at Roscosmos has outlined the goal of unifying commercial/military infrastructure for mass production scaling

Hence, its not related to Rogozin's social media or international relations performances, but rather shifting of priority from international commercial/cooperation to domestic militarization.

[Anonymous No.14663815]

>>14663809
I want to but it makes early career feel weird, seeing so many launch pads and whatnot. This feels more “authentic” even though it looks like ass lol

[Anonymous No.14663816]

>>14663799
Also >>14663813

So the Russian change of strategy is purely a domestic re-militarization/industrialization one. Whether or not that fails or succeeds remains to be seen.

[Anonymous No.14663817]

>>14662195
Yeah
A tank on Luna would need to watch its fire because tank shells travel at orbital velocity on the Moon

[Anonymous No.14663819]

>>14663816
Russia is either going to collapse or become a powerhouse

[Anonymous No.14663822]

>>14663665
actually ancient news, and no blood relation

[Anonymous No.14663832]

>>14663819
its the latter as was foretold

[Anonymous No.14663835]

>>14663816
Considering Russia's performance so far of trying to create purely domestic spaceflight infrastructure (Angara, Vostochny) I can't see it going to well for them

[Anonymous No.14663839]

>>14663737
The media just found out he had another kid and they're already working to associate it with Elon. Half the articles have the word "secret" in the headline, lol
>On Tuesday, Musk's father, Errol Musk, 76, revealed that he had a second child with his stepdaughter Jana Bezuidenhout, 34, three years ago — and gave the creepiest explanation as to why. “The only thing we are on Earth for is to reproduce,” Errol told The Sun.

[Anonymous No.14663841]

>>14663835
They will need significant restructuring. Given that the new Roscosmos director consider science as secondary priorities now, that restructuring is already underway.

[Anonymous No.14663843]

>>14663839
isn't elon estranged from his father?
the hit pieces really do keep coming

[Anonymous No.14663849]

>>14663843
welcome to jewish propaganda
legitimacy doesn't matter, only striking down the enemies of the tribe

[Anonymous No.14663852]

>>14663813
>oversee Donbabwe
He's going to be killed

[Anonymous No.14663856]

>>14663839
Biological or not that’s fuckin creepy also Elon is adamant that his father is an asshole

[Anonymous No.14663860]

What makes spaceflight so hard? SpaceX has shown that you could build the largest vehicle on the planet in just two years of work using cheap stainless steel. I legit don’t understand why Russia, China, Europe, or even the US itself haven’t done this before

[Anonymous No.14663873]

>>14663860
You're fucking delusional. Raptor is the most important part and the first hardware was built and tested as early as 2013

[Anonymous No.14663874]

>>14663860
Also you don’t need some autisticly complex Raptor engine or something. Expendable starship powered by F-1’s or a bunch of Merlins would still put 200+ tons into LEO

[Anonymous No.14663879]

>>14663860
Assuming that short hops are enough of a proof of concept. Orbital tests are where the rubber meets the road.
After their recent incident you can't convince me that they've accounted for every contingency in their simulations.

[Anonymous No.14663887]

Speak of the Devil and he shall appear
https://youtu.be/ADE-OWMc3_M

[Anonymous No.14663890]

>>14663873
See >>14663874. I just mean the rocket building part. Russia, ESA, the US, and even China have some pretty good 1000+ kilonewton engines. Especially Russia. Like what’s stopping Russia from strapping a pair of RD 180’s on a half-size expendable starship clone and putting 50+ tons into LEO?

>>14663879
They definitely haven’t and the B7 incident is a reminder that SpaceX is willing to damage or destroy vehicles to learn stuff faster

[Anonymous No.14663897]

>>14663860
Throughout most of spaceflight history the engine technology wasn't good enough to enable it and mass autism was a necessity. Some rockets did use stainless steel but it was so thin that it would literally collapse if it wasn't pressurized.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imkdz63agHY

[Anonymous No.14663901]

>>14663860
you have to design all your equipment around embezzling money to your political masters
spaceflight is a secondary consideration in the spaceflight industry
SpaceX is able to dunk on everyone else so easily because they aren't forced to pay tribute to jews and similar to avoid getting shut down

[Anonymous No.14663904]

>>14663860
Government is, by necessity, toxic to exceptionalism. Private companies can rely on exceptional people because it's ok if they collapse immediately when those people leave. It's not ok for a government to need exceptional people in order to function. Government will never be efficient in its allocation of resources because that would require a competent, good-faith person to do the allocating which is not sustainable. Government will never be fast or respond to things in a time sensitive manner because doing so requires a competent, good-faith person with the power to respond quickly and unilaterally, which again is not sustainable. This is necessary if you want a system to self-sustain indefinitely.

[Anonymous No.14663907]

>>14663860
You needed someone to understand the value of economics. Someone to understand the value of applying physics problem solving at both system level standpoint and in minute level details. Someone to understand value of time (ultimate currency for human). Someone to have an extreme will so they can push forward when general consensus dry up. In person or in a committee. That someone or some group needs to have the capital resources and the political resources to do as their will demands.

Basically Elon is the one where stars aligned. He has range of expertise in manufacturing, mass production, logistics, financial economics, limitations of the physics, engineering mindset, extreme will, technological aptitude, etc.

[Anonymous No.14663914]

>looking to pick up another telescope
>want something that will be good for deep space observation
>someone recommends vespera
>1500 dollars, fairly reasonable price considering the shit going on under the hood
>basically useless for looking at planets though since there's basically no magnification
>see they have another telescope called hyperia
>specs sound incredible
>have to scroll through 100 page of fluff to get to the actual order page
>see this

how much crack do you have to smoke for this to sound remotely reasonable? The most expensive telescope I have is an orion astroview 6 and that was only 600 bucks.

[Anonymous No.14663915]

>>14663887
They better kick it into high gear. Relativity may have the war chest, but if these parts aren't in the air within the next year or so, they've failed. It doesn't feel like they're going all that much faster with this rocket versus the first one.

[Anonymous No.14663918]

>>14663907
Holy shit get his cock out of your mouth.
There’s no shortage of innovative concepts from NASA or JPL they just got no funding and the contractors stagnated while raking in pork money. Elon known who to hire and has good motivational and management skills but I highly doubt he has actual technical knowledge like you’re saying. Especially in the last year or so he’s been acting like an idiot

[Anonymous No.14663921]

>>14663914
Just watch athletesf00t unironically

[Anonymous No.14663923]

>>14663860
Starship has yet to fly without destroying its engines

[Anonymous No.14663924]

>>14663918
>elon's just a cheer leader
kek

[Anonymous No.14663926]

>>14663914
I'm sure there are rich hobbyists who would spend new car money on a telescope

[Anonymous No.14663928]

>>14663921
that retard still makes videos?

[Anonymous No.14663930]

>>14663928
he'll keep doing it until his heart gives out from the ass pain

[Anonymous No.14663932]

Falcon 9 has been executed. It's over.

[Anonymous No.14663937]

>>14663930
I got confused by his evoscope "busted" video where he just kind of fails to understand the purpose of the telescope and complains that it's bad for planetary observation despite that never being the purpose. And his brexit videos were absurd and way out of his depth.

[Anonymous No.14663945]

>>14663937
thunderf00t's entire business model is being a contrarian faggot, compulsive lying, and hunting for low hanging fruit
he decides if he's against something before learning anything about what that thing is, then makes a video "justifying" why new thing bad

[Anonymous No.14663952]

>>14663914
That's nothing dude, if you want a good CMOS camera that'll set you back $100k+

Typically if you're paying prices like those you're spending other peoples' money

[Anonymous No.14663959]

>>14663874
>>14663890
The F-1 had a SL Isp 263 s, Raptor is 330 s, an F-1 powered Starship probably wouldn't reach orbit. The US made high Isp hydrolox engines but the tank mass took away most of the advantages since LH2 is way less dense than other fuels. The Russians had high Isp RP-1 engines but stainless steel is not as advantageous for expendable RP-1 rockets compared to reused methane rockets and if they only switched the propellant type and tank materials their costs wouldn't come down much.

Starship is what it is because aggressive cost cutting and design simplification but also reuse is key to it and SpaceX pioneered propulsive landing only recently. Expended Starship would be good for the few 100t payloads but it wouldn't be sustainable and cheaper medium-lift vehicles would undercut it.

[Anonymous No.14663966]

>>14663860
SpaceX is not starting from scratch, computer simulation alone is a game changer. A booster than go back to land wouldn't have been possible without modern electronic.
Cheap stainless steel is no novelty, it's how it was done decades ago but it's also not very efficient and heavier. Meaning if you can't spend more in (expendable) engines you needed to make the structure lighter to gain in performance.
Then come the REUSABLE engine, it was never a wanted feature before (we wanted ICBM), we couldn't hope recovering those for a long time so instead we made sure they worked fine once making them lighter.

As for why X group didn't do it first, it's a mix of market force, entry cost and typical government fear of bad PR.
It is extremely costly to make a rocket. Even if you can reuse it, there's no guarantee you can maintain it cheaply and the rocket would need to be big to cover a wide range of mission or no one would be interested. Even once reusable no one needed as many launch as SpaceX to make Starlink functional. SpaceX almost went bankrupt, needed subsidies and is still in the process of creating its own his own market with Starlink.
Also no CEO was insane enough to own a car-making company, then decide to build rocket with the revenue. Even if he could, he would have gone bankrupt before as there wasn't a market.
A government could have funded this, but the only reason to do so before was to advance ICBM technology, going to the moon doesn't pay (yet) and then the constant very visible crash of prototypes would only lead to a taxpayer backslash (more than SLS yes).

[Anonymous No.14663973]

>>14663959
I’m going to do some math to prove you wrong when I’m on break. A 6-8 F-1 powered Superheavy and a single Vac F-1 Starship (both expendable) would 100% destroy the competition. Give me 2-3 hours

[Anonymous No.14663975]

>>14663810
K
Y
S
Reddit faggot

[Anonymous No.14663983]

>>14663163
By asking the marketing department to review the numbers.

[Anonymous No.14663989]

>>14663975
This aggression will not stand

[Anonymous No.14663990]

>>14661993
whats ur problem with this Benjamin dude?

[Anonymous No.14663991]

>>14663454
>This is unironically what amerimutts believe

[Anonymous No.14663992]

>>14663163
They underbid

Engineers are expected to make 200% cost overrun margin estimates at a minimum for R&D and I bet someone decided to be cute about it and lowball the bid

It doesn't help that everyone's costs are up at least 30% with three years of YoY ~10% inflation

[Anonymous No.14663998]

>>14663839
>34
Kek what a loser.
Any woman passed 25 isn't worth breeding

[Anonymous No.14663999]

>>14663430
>nasa is just trying to pretend they can work with war criminals
Maybe you should look up operation Paperclip sometime, NASA literally wouldn't exist without war criminals.

[Anonymous No.14664005]

>>14663991
hey, he could be a chink, they wish the US had nuked every jap city twice

[Anonymous No.14664006]

>>14663973
>A 6-8 F-1 powered Superheavy and a single Vac F-1 Starship (both expendable) would 100% destroy the competition
Bro, it wouldn't even reach orbit, assuming 4500t of propellant, a 125t Super Heavy, a 75t Starship with an additional 100t of payload, and an average Isp of 300, which is completely unrealistic

[Anonymous No.14664008]

>>14663966
Guess when it became obvious you're full of shit

[Anonymous No.14664020]

>>14663973
Where are you going to put "6-8" F-1s? Starship is only 9 meters across.

[Anonymous No.14664033]

>>14664008
What's the problem contrarian anon?

[Anonymous No.14664039]

>>14663693
yes and it will be lead by french canada

[Anonymous No.14664051]

>>14664033
>It is extremely costly to make a rocket. Even if you can reuse it, there's no guarantee you can maintain it cheaply and the rocket would need to be big to cover a wide range of mission or no one would be interested. Even once reusable no one needed as many launch as SpaceX to make Starlink functional. SpaceX almost went bankrupt, needed subsidies and is still in the process of creating its own his own market with Starlink.
This entire line is made of lies.

[Anonymous No.14664063]

>>14663918
>but I highly doubt he has actual technical knowledge like you’re saying.
Lol. Kid, do your research before trashing people. "Highly doubt"

[Anonymous No.14664069]

>>14663918
NASA actually has funding as evidenced by things like JWST, the problem is the money being locked behind gay bureaucracy

[Anonymous No.14664071]

Forgot to scan one stamp, Voskhod-1 stamp from 1964.
I'm wondering why the US never seemed to make as many space stamps, when they'd have the propaganda reasons to do so with Apollo missions.
Sadly the few American stamps I have don't really compare to the Soviet ones, they're just a bit drab in my opinion, lacking color and such.
One advantage soviet stamps have is Interkosmos, and the many countries associated with it; if the post bothers to deliver the letter I should get some more Interkosmos stamps soon. I've been waiting a whole damn week for those stamps.

[Anonymous No.14664073]

https://twitter.com/RussianSpaceWeb/status/1548046284702986247
>I hear that Yuzmash spacecraft and rocket factory in Dnipro was hit in today's attack by Russia on Ukraine. My contact, who intimately knows the area, says that it appears that the famous assembly building might have been targeted. I also recognize the place in one video:
They've finally done it

[Anonymous No.14664075]

wait so elon's dad is fucking his little sister? elon's going to be damaged from this.

[Anonymous No.14664079]

>>14664075
yep
>"The Sun reports that Elon Musk went "berserk" when he first learned about Errol's relationship with his stepbrother Jana. In an interview with Rolling Stone in 2017, with tears in his eyes, he said, "My father is a terrible man, he always planning something evil."

[Anonymous No.14664080]

>>14663693
Brazil is actively working on its own launch vehicle derived from soviet designs, I imagine Embraer has some serious ambitions in this area

LatAm been getting pretty active in the science arena too, I've met quite a few talented people from Mexico and Brazil over the past decade with successful careers in astronomy and planetary science

[Anonymous No.14664082]

>>14664071
Soviets just had banger stamps in general, simple as
>t. stamp autist who saves everything you upload

[Anonymous No.14664086]

>>14663693
>Being so close to the equator you would think there would be launch sites
Being close the equator is good for accessing GEO, the gain in additional velocity compared to a more northern or southern location is negligible, launching out of Guiana only gains about 55 m/s compared to Cape Canaveral. If Europe had good launch sites they would never operate outside of their continent.
>>14664075
Step-sister. Based on their ages I doubt they've spent much time together.
>>14664079
>the Sun reports
annoyedpepe.png

[Anonymous No.14664089]

>>14664071
New Horizons' stamp is great, I think it's hilarious they launched it with a "Pluto Not Yet Explored" stamp on it as if they were mailing it to Pluto

[Anonymous No.14664093]

>>14664086
>If Europe had good launch sites
By which I mean sites where they could launch eastwards over a large body of water.

[Anonymous No.14664102]

>>14664093
why can't they launch over the Mediterranean from the east coast of Spain?

[Anonymous No.14664103]

>>14664051
Seriously? You need extra help on that?
You needed big rocket (F9 sized, no nanosat shit) to be able to do enough mission to break even commercially, there was not a lot of technical solution to reuse just a booster as electronic was not reliable enough for suicide burn landing and reentry would lead to the same overcost as the shuttle.
If you are triggered about SpaceX it's plain truth, deal with it.

Next time stop your low effort trolling and be constructive.

[Anonymous No.14664106]

>>14664089
Might have to look out for that one, although stamps have become complete shit nowadays. Before stamps used to be plain paper, but now they're pretty much just stickers. I haven't heard of anyone seriously collecting sticker stamps, it's just sad really.

There are some countries avoiding sticker stamps; Japan for example. The stamp in the image is from 2018, and they're just pure (although plastic coated) paper.

[Anonymous No.14664110]

>>14664093
Why would you launch into a retrograde orbit though? What's the advantage?

[Anonymous No.14664111]

reminder virgin orbit is going to be launching from the UK soon

[Anonymous No.14664113]

>>14664103
You need to stop pushing the lies about SpaceX selling launch services to government being "subsidies."

[Anonymous No.14664115]

just wait till we're on the moon and mars. there arent any bodies of water to launch safely over.

[Anonymous No.14664119]

>>14664115
You just put out a really bad question for the future; how do you launch from a completely populated Mars without passing over populated areas? Will all space traffic be forced to be focused onto space elevators?

[Anonymous No.14664121]

>>14664020
You could do what SpaceX is doing right now, have the bells placed really close to the edge so they "come out from the edge". You know what I mean, london is hard

[Anonymous No.14664126]

Yuzmash was targeted lmao

[Anonymous No.14664129]

>>14664121
You could, but it's not going to give you enough space to fit in a fifth F-1. The Nova/Saturn VIII designs had 8 F-1s in the first stage and they were working with 12-17m diameters.

[Anonymous No.14664131]

>>14664119
>space elevators
memetech even on Mars. it will be a yuge mass driver up the slopes of Pavonis Mons

[Anonymous No.14664132]

>>14664102
You could do that from the southern tip of France but in either case it would be similar to launching from Boca Chica and flying directly over Florida, the European version of the FAA may not like that idea. Even if you dodge the islands there's still Italy.
>>14664110
If I'm not mistaken eastward means from the west to the east, so prograde. Retrograde apparently adds about 400 m/s to the delta-v required to reach orbit and enough satellites put into that orbit would cause some real nasty collisions. Israel launches retrograde since they don't have any other option.

[Anonymous No.14664137]

>>14664126
Source? I've been saying Yuzhmash would get hit for months and it hasn't happened yet. It's the leading indicator on when Russia has given up on taking that area.

[Anonymous No.14664138]

>>14664115
>>14664119

SSTO launches are dirt easy from anywhere other than Earth and Venus.

[Anonymous No.14664140]

>>14664119
Wouldn't rockets be at plane levels of safety by the time Mars is populated enough to where that would matter?

[Anonymous No.14664142]

>>14664132
>there's still Italy.
yeah but there's no humans living south of Rome so its fine

[Anonymous No.14664147]

>>14664140
That will probably depend on the rocket’s size

[Anonymous No.14664151]

>>14664137
https://twitter.com/russianspaceweb/status/1548046284702986247

[Anonymous No.14664152]

>>14664113
Are you stupid or pushing your own narrative? SpaceX was getting subsidies (starting since Obama's presidency) long before they managed to make the F9 booster reusable. Every government do that to protect their best industries.
Launch service they sold since they could launch rocket was just plain revenues.
https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html

[Anonymous No.14664163]

>>14664151
it's ogre...

[Anonymous No.14664170]

>>14664129
>>14664121
>>14664020
You could make a fat base for the vehicle. Adds dry mass but allows more engines. I’m doing the math intermittently at the moment but Superheavy without engines or gridfins is about 100 or so tons dry. Starship is apparently 40 ish.

[Anonymous No.14664173]

>>14664152
The definitions of subsidy are like quicksand.

[Anonymous No.14664188]

>>14664173
More the reason to not be triggered about it. Only Musk fanboy are because they think it's a sign of weakness or something.

[Anonymous No.14664197]

>>14664188
Concerned troll is concerned.

[Anonymous No.14664201]

>>14664115
Ooooh cool orange smoke, let's go check it out

[Anonymous No.14664204]

So can we send 1000 Starships with 100 people each to Mars by 2030s/40s?

[Anonymous No.14664207]

>>14664204
no cuz you dont have the infrastructure

[Anonymous No.14664220]

>>14664204
Nah.
>Early 2030s
Start of mars infrastructure, etc
>Late 2030s
Colonization begins. Maybe the first 50 or so people are here by the end of the decade
>Early 2040s
20 people per synod. Remember, there needs to be way way more stuff for Starship returns, colony building, and life support
>Late 2040s
100 people per synod

I think 1000 people on Mars’ surface by 2050 is realistic and doable.

[Anonymous No.14664224]

Rogozin, Yuzhmash, and Masten all gone in one day, wow

[Anonymous No.14664225]

>>14664220
So you think we wont make it to Mars by 2030? Or that nothing will happen for another 2 decades?

[Anonymous No.14664227]

>>14664073
Sad. Russian terrorism attacks are plain sad

[Anonymous No.14664229]

>>14664224
S S S

[Anonymous No.14664233]

>>14664225
nta but there won't be a manned landing this decade

[Anonymous No.14664238]

>>14664233
We know NASA doesnt have one. But I suspect private space will lead the way. SpaceX is already signed private customers for Starship before NASA's manned missions.

[Anonymous No.14664249]

>>14664225
>>14664238
>>14664233
I hope there’s a Mars landing by 2029 but I’m just being conservative with expectations. If SpaceX can get Starship flying weekly (or at least twice a month) by the mid 2020s, and has achieved a bellyflop reliability similar or even better than current Falcon 9, I think it’s pretty likely to happen soon. But we also don’t see any work going on for ISRU plans and deep space habitats.

[Anonymous No.14664254]

>rogozin no longer at pockocmoc
why even live?

[Anonymous No.14664263]

>>14664249
Engineering resources will be partitioned from Starship once it flies regular Starlink missions. The enormous amount of engineers will then be moved to ISRU/habitat.

SpaceX wants others to do this, but if others dont have any plans to utilize Starships, SpaceX will themselves do the whole work on their own.

[Anonymous No.14664267]

Press F to pay your respects. Vega's AVUM stage can be included too, just kidding, fuck Vega.

[Anonymous No.14664269]

>>14664263
I can see this. Once Starship is decently proven maybe a year from now, it won’t need as many resources as it does at the moment.
Reminder that LC-39A is allowed 24 Starship launches a year, and Boca has 5. Right off the bat, SpaceX can fly up to once every other week. And once LC-49’s pads are up, you’re looking at an extra 20-40 launches per year. By mid 2024, there might be the ability to fly Starship weekly. Will the vehicle be able to? I don’t know.

[Anonymous No.14664282]

>>14664267
Also Antares is kill, if the Yuzhmash factory was actually damaged. NG has enough RD-181 engines for two more launches.

[Anonymous No.14664289]

>>14664267
AVUM was already planned to move onto the ESA-developed M-10 engine. The switch may now be earlier than expected, but I guess that's for the best

[Anonymous No.14664290]

Why did ESA decide to make a deal with the devil and trust Russia - which has been a geopolitical pain in the ass since the fall of the USSR - for their medium lift launches? Without Soyuz, ESA is forced to fly on Falcon 9 lol

[Anonymous No.14664293]

>>14664289
M-10 wasn’t supposed to fly until 2026 lol

>>14664282
Cygnus will go to Falcon 9

>>14664267
Vega is a cool rocket I don’t care what people say

[Anonymous No.14664300]

>>14664293
It wasn't planned for flight until 2026, but that was before the war. Now development may be focused to get the engine ready faster, maybe 2024 by the earliest.

[Anonymous No.14664309]

>>14664300
>2024
AHHHHHHHHHHH GODDAMNIT!!!!!

[Anonymous No.14664311]

>>14664289
Using the M10 on Vega is like putting lipstick on a pig, otherwise I have no issue with it and I think it will probably be a good engine.
>Methalox
>98 kN
>362 s
>Expander cycle

[Anonymous No.14664318]

Whatever happened to Adeline? Reusing only the engines seemed like a good idea at the time and a foil to SpaceX’s approach

[Anonymous No.14664330]

>north korea and ukraine have cut ties
north korea was reliant on ukrainian parts for their space rockets. are they going to switch to russia?

[Anonymous No.14664336]

>>14664293
>>14664311
>2026
Any other engine options? Aeon Vac is somewhere in the neighborhood of 120kN by the look of it.

[Anonymous No.14664340]

u guys played OPUS: Echo of Starsong yet?

[Anonymous No.14664358]

>>14664005
ngl, hiroshima probably did need two

[Anonymous No.14664361]

Have you guys read the Ariane-NEXT announcement document? It’s kind of cool but also pretty disappointing.
>Technical Stuff:
First stage holds 600 tons of Methalox propellant and uses nine Prometheus engines. The first stage has a thrust of 10,800 kilonewtons as each Prometheus is 1200 kN.
The second stage holds 126 tons of propellant and uses a single Prometheus Vacuum engine.
The vehicle itself is 5.4 meters wide making it the same diameter as Delta IV, Vulcan, and Ariane 5/6.

>Performance:
Kind of tricky. Payload to LEO isn’t listed and SSTO only uses RTLS, not down range landings. GTO payload is slightly better when expendable than an expendable Falcon 9, but is 1 ton lower when reused compared to a reusable Falcon 9.
Vehicle probably has a TWR of about 1.4-1.5

https://www.eucass.eu/component/docindexer/?task=download&id=5506

Long story short, it’s a knockoff Falcon 9 that’s a bit worse and is way bigger

[Anonymous No.14664363]

>>14664361
>*SSTO
I meant SSO lol. 4 tons to SSO when RTLS is bad but I think 10 or so tons to LEO when landing down range is pretty reasonable

[Anonymous No.14664375]

>>14664358
t. chinaman

[Anonymous No.14664390]

Anyone have some 4K starship pics? I need a new phone wallpaper

[Anonymous No.14664430]

>>14664318
It wasn't a SMART idea

[Anonymous No.14664444]

https://www.stsci.edu/files/live/sites/www/files/home/jwst/science-execution/observing-schedules/_documents/2219603f02_report_20220715.txt
>Only cool target this week is trapist 1

I will never understand why scientists have no enthusiasm for the closest fucking star system to us.

[Anonymous No.14664449]

>>14664293
>Vega is a cool rocket I don’t care what people say
It's really not that contested, I'm the main solids/Vega hater in the recent /sfg/ threads and I apologize to Europoors everywhere
>>14664361
Ariane-NEXT would really be competing against Starship which should be able to do 21t+ to GTO with reusability but that's not really a fair comparison because the satellite would require a large inclination burn in addition to the circularization burn. Vulcan can go directly to GEO which is of course appealing because the satellite wouldn't need large propulsion system and the same thing can be done with Starship using a space tug as a defacto third stage. It's not looking good for Arianespace's commercial business.

[Anonymous No.14664453]

>>14664390
https://www.flickr.com/photos/spacex

[Anonymous No.14664454]

>>14664444
the value for scientists comes from solving big universe-wide theories. looking at planets doesnt do much for them so they arent as interested.

[Anonymous No.14664456]

>>14663196
the v-25(s) is better for cost-efficiency than the f-1 boosters though

[Anonymous No.14664458]

>>14663813
>1) Rogozin is being moved to oversee Donbass region
Execution by HIMARS it is, can't wait to see the tragic news that Rogozin just so happened to be inspecting an ammo depot when a missile hit it

[Anonymous No.14664470]

>>14664075
>>14664079

[Anonymous No.14664475]

>>14664454
I don't know I think helping observations and planning missions to the first interstellar probe, would probably get your name higher up the history list than being dark matter paper 99287

[Anonymous No.14664481]

>>14664458
Oddly Putin seemed to be fine with Rogozin's retarded antics until recently, I don't know where he went too far.

[Anonymous No.14664483]

>>14664456
>$1 Billion per launch in today’s dollars
>220 tons to LEO
Fuckkkkk for the shuttle’s cost and flight rate we could’ve had five of these things flying per year since 1975

[Anonymous No.14664487]

>>14664475
Those observations can wait until an interstellar probe exists

[Anonymous No.14664491]

>>14664487
We literally discovered another expolanet there this year and have paltry data on the system and it is the closest thing to us. Astronomers are gay wear programming socks and own dragon dildos.

[Anonymous No.14664492]

>>14664361
Anyone know what kind of propellant margins they use for Falcon 9 RTLS? I worked backwards calculating the dV of the second stage + payload, and then found the remaining dV from the first stage at separation. I got around 40% of first stage fuel used for boostback and landing. I’m wondering how accurate this is.

[Anonymous No.14664493]

>>14664475
The amount of people working on this plus the fact that that is still something very far off means that your name most likely won't be remembered, so glory isn't really a motivator here

[Anonymous No.14664494]

>>14664483
and when you launch 5 of those things you can really start doing some interesting stuff...

[Anonymous No.14664500]

>>14664481
Putin doesn't fuck around in geopolitics if it makes him look bad

The German telescope thing could probably be swept under the rug because of the Gazprom situation but losing the OneWeb sats, the Soyuz launches, just about any future commercial partners and practically guaranteeing they don't get invited to ISS2 and also the Moon is a hell of a track record to overlook

[Anonymous No.14664510]

>>14664492
Around 10% or so. I remember when SpaceX unveiled the interplanetary Transport System, Elon said it took 7% of its prop for the booster to RTLS, and that was supposed to be lower than Falcon 9

[Anonymous No.14664518]

>>14664483
Starship around the corner will bring 100 flights per cost of single Shuttle, 400 flights per single SLS

[Anonymous No.14664524]

>>14664518
Aside from 2001: A Space Odyssey, or For All Mankind, we are probably in the best timeline possible desu. It took a lot of unlikely events occurring to give us SpaceX

[Anonymous No.14664527]

[Anonymous No.14664530]

>>14664524
>Not the Orion timeline where we nuked a cities worth of mass to the Moon and Mars

considering how down the tubes everything else went space is going ok

[Anonymous No.14664534]

>>14664524
500 years from now somebody's going to figure out some technique for cheap and easy high sublight spacecraft using materials that we have available today and they're going to be doing their own for all mankind alt hist fanwanking about the early 21st century

[Anonymous No.14664536]

1 large space station vs several small stations

[Anonymous No.14664538]

>>14664536
Did someone say hexagonal panels

[Anonymous No.14664542]

several small stations that can come together to create a large station from time to time

[Anonymous No.14664547]

>>14664536
Space is space

[Anonymous No.14664549]

>>14664542
Mortal Engines. . .IN SPAAAAAAAAACCCEEE!!!!!

[Anonymous No.14664550]

>>14664536
>>14664542
No permanant station, but rather multiple large stations combining every so often via Starship Gattai Mode

[Anonymous No.14664561]

>>14664536
Thousands of gigastations

[Anonymous No.14664563]

>>14664561
billions of cubestations

[Anonymous No.14664571]

>>14664563
one cubic stationmeter

[Anonymous No.14664578]

dozens of fuel depots of varying sizes

[Anonymous No.14664580]

Did we ever figure out why booster boy made such a big toot the other day?

[Anonymous No.14664584]

ふかゆ

[Anonymous No.14664586]

>>14664580
spin start test of the turbomachinery for all 33 engines meant there was well-mixed LOX and methane under the booster, and an unknown source ignited it

[Anonymous No.14664587]

>>14664580
We were too stupid.

[Anonymous No.14664588]

>>14664586
>unknown source ignited it
hmmmmmmmmm
suspicious

[Anonymous No.14664590]

>>14664580
33 engine spin starts
Dumps lots of methane
Methane wasn't blow away or burned up or had not enough space to scatter in time
Small spark lit up the methane gas exhausted
Explosion happens

I think this is generally understood to be testing procedure issue rather than any critical issue with hardware.

[Anonymous No.14664592]

>>14664590
How were they so dumb they didn't realize that would be a problem?

[Anonymous No.14664595]

Give me your favorite space themed music or else you don't belong here.

[Anonymous No.14664597]

>>14664592
Better to spend the cash on the problem then on a bunch of solutions that don't have problems to solve.

[Anonymous No.14664598]

>>14664592
Lots of other priorities check list. As SpaceX/Musk has said before, some failure that happen don't make up the top 10 list of concerns they have. So the unknown unknowns happen. Its possible that spacex could figure out all sorts of failure modes before testing, but then they'd have to spend significant amount of time removing all the failure modes before testing. Which would defeat the whole purpose of fast/agile hardware rich testing.

The purpose of fast hardware rich testing isn't necessarily they're "so dumb" but rather they sacrifice decade of meticulousness for fast testing to learn real world failure modes.

[Anonymous No.14664601]

>>14664598
In other words, its a calculated risk within agile testing to speed up development and reduce the overall risk down the line.

[Anonymous No.14664602]

>>14664592
>How were they so dumb they didn't realize that would be a problem?
unknowable unknowns are unknown, anon

[Anonymous No.14664606]

>>14664580
upvote

[Anonymous No.14664608]

>>14664595
IT’S BEEN A LONG ROAD

[Anonymous No.14664610]

Deep space starts at the distance you can no longer have a real time conversation with someone on Earth

[Anonymous No.14664613]

>>14664595
Earth below us
Drifting, falling
Floating weightless
Calling, calling home

[Anonymous No.14664614]

Just another day at McGregor engine tests

[Anonymous No.14664616]

>>14664595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXvVDqh3ikI

[Anonymous No.14664621]

>>14664602
Dumping a bunch of lox and methane on the ground doesn't seem like a big unknown

[Anonymous No.14664622]

>>14664595
https://youtu.be/UWNhTSiDS3w

[Anonymous No.14664624]

>>14664595
https://youtu.be/MNyG-xu-7SQ

[Anonymous No.14664626]

>>14664595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mzfnUIdzq4

[Anonymous No.14664629]

>>14664614
How do they keep getting away with it?

[Anonymous No.14664631]

>>14664595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OYoIpHLGMo

[Anonymous No.14664645]

>>14664613
I love that song. Remember hearing it on one of my dad's cassette tapes and it's stayed with me through my adulthood.

[Anonymous No.14664649]

>>14664610
Apollo astronauts spoke to nasa on the radio almost constantly

[Anonymous No.14664650]

>>14664621
For what its worth, this verified just how well the spin start procedure is set up. If the mixing had been shit, it wouldn't have been so volatile.

[Anonymous No.14664652]

SpaceXNigga released another video about how ITS OVER for Starbase
> https://youtu.be/PsGUonW4-80

[Anonymous No.14664653]

>>14664595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzB0-iZUnIU&list=PLF6110C5E70725E0A&index=8

[Anonymous No.14664660]

>>14664652
Reminder that this csi guy is a concern troll
He reports to the authorities every little single thing he can find no matter how small

[Anonymous No.14664663]

>>14664595
https://youtu.be/gfvEodNPQGs
plus the entirety of Infest the Rats Nest

[Anonymous No.14664664]

>>14664663
Reminder that king gizz is anti-space

[Anonymous No.14664665]

>>14664595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SLp8rzy4gU

[Anonymous No.14664666]

>>14664595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHIo6qwJarI

[Anonymous No.14664671]

>>14664595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UbEviSuz04

[Anonymous No.14664674]

>>14664614
As much as I hate their SphereOfInfluence, big respect to to the tank and engine watching autists for actually giving a shit about these tiny little details.

[Anonymous No.14664676]

>>14664664
Stu is, yeah, he's a retard. but the idea of going to venus because the rich are on mars and earth is fucked just sounds based. i would be one of the rich guys on mars, but deep down i would want to crash land on venus and melt there

[Anonymous No.14664679]

>>14664595
>no one posted it
https://youtu.be/-tThnSh7mYk

[Anonymous No.14664684]

>>14664664
Finally someone says it. It's good music, but it's obvious where their political loyalties lie, both in ITRN and increasingly ever since.

[Anonymous No.14664685]

>>14664595
I frequently come across bangers that few people know about, the depths of space folk and filk music are vast.

Say to me no more Apollo
Say to me the job is done
And I say your words are hollow
And our work has just begun

Say to me we need the money
Just to feed the poor
And I say "Gee that's funny, its for them that we explore"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oet1j9EA2fs&list=PLSGPjuer15FZ3-orl2G7YFDOLZDnFn36C&index=31

[Anonymous No.14664689]

>>14664595
>>14664663
Good taste
https://youtu.be/KSSEzWXqGKY

[Anonymous No.14664692]

>>14664595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IKahbz75xo

Unironically good background music for launch livestreams if the announcers get too insufferable

[Anonymous No.14664693]

>>14664595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goh2x_G0ct4

[Anonymous No.14664696]

>>14664595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osJqbovbH2A&list=PLWhymgVo9fPgWKOpthCrCOmikwRtZngRp&index=1
One froggy to another

[Anonymous No.14664697]

>>14664693
This is the only song that should have been posted, and it's downright powerful

[Anonymous No.14664701]

>>14661993
When will /sfg/ start charging for L2 access?

[Anonymous No.14664704]

>>14664692
john barry singlehandedly saved moonraker and the black hole both from being complete farces

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCbWZoZKRGc

[Anonymous No.14664707]

>>14664595
There used to be a Youtube channel that had all the Test Shot Starfish songs, even the unreleased ones, but sadly he fucking privated them. I'm still mad that I never got to download them. Some tracks are literally unavailable anywhere.
>https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4AIG34oU42vN7V6uw1pLMEwNrcemqB58

[Anonymous No.14664709]

>>14662704
Holy fuck I interviewed for a job there last summer, guess I'm glad it didn't work out

[Anonymous No.14664713]

>>14664649
I think hes referring to having a delay where you have to wait a bit until the data reaches and comes back. so not really "real time" anymore i suppose.
>>14664652
i dont watch niggers snitches sorry.
>>14664685
I really like this one, thanks m8
Shootout to the guy who recomended the book "Ignition", was a really interesting read. Even if i got filtered by the chemistry stuff most of the time.

[Anonymous No.14664715]

>>14664701
it should be L4chan

[Anonymous No.14664720]

>>14664707
Unicorns in space is the best. It was supposed to release in january but that album never came out. SpaceX uses it in almost every stream now so I’m guessing they bought the rights and test shot starfish must have asked the guy to remove it or something

[Anonymous No.14664724]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jK-NcRmVcw

>>14664679
based

[Anonymous No.14664726]

>>14664685
I love filk, but always feel like such a dork for enjoying it
https://youtu.be/kqSqmoMaZMQ

[Anonymous No.14664727]

>>14664626
need a light?

[Anonymous No.14664732]

>>14664709
what are your credentials?

[Anonymous No.14664733]

>>14664709
If i am reading it right they couldn't really afford new hires last year anyway

[Anonymous No.14664735]

>>14664701

[Anonymous No.14664738]

>>14664595
>>14664689
I have one more actually
https://youtu.be/8Xz5gEmA4eM

[Anonymous No.14664742]

>>14663120
Tory drives an orange jeep they should fly that

[Anonymous No.14664743]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9cLuRVJbGY

[Anonymous No.14664745]

>>14664742
How can snakes drive?

[Anonymous No.14664747]

>>14664724
>>14664595
https://youtu.be/21EMUJZkGPE
thread needs more hair metal

[Anonymous No.14664749]

>people live on boats docked in marinas on earth
we're going to see people living in spaceships docked to stations orbiting planets

[Anonymous No.14664753]

>>14664727
The sound design of that game was next level.

[Anonymous No.14664761]

>>14664713
>i dont watch niggers snitches sorry.
That shit was so weird, like it was his fault SpaceX can use those tanks for LOx. it was legit like he was tryna get them in trouble

[Anonymous No.14664763]

Is L2 worth it? Also status report Astranon. What happens now?

[Anonymous No.14664764]

>>14664709
Mech E. Worked on other launch vehicles for a while

[Anonymous No.14664767]

Is Orel even real?

[Anonymous No.14664769]

>>14664595
Obvious ones
https://youtu.be/x5DR7v04YnE
https://youtu.be/T74bzADCCDk
https://youtu.be/10VXkQdWVz0

[Anonymous No.14664777]

>>14664767
I've seen it down at orelspacecraft_v4_final_truefinal.pptx

[Anonymous No.14664780]

>>14664595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXBiPY8wDT0

[Anonymous No.14664787]

>>14664595
Walked into a bar one night almost a decade ago and this guy was playing his song. It's odd how much of the music we enjoy is really just place in history we can longer go back to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SytgcA2iuFk

[Anonymous No.14664794]

>>14664769
>YouTube] Alexei Goman - Space Forces (English subs) / Aлeкceй Гoмaн - Кocмичecкиe Boйcкa (тeкcт) (embed)
that was pretty good, more russian space related stuff?

[Anonymous No.14664796]

>>14664595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfVN3kQkcd4

[Anonymous No.14664803]

>>14664671
never heard this before. fantastic.

[Anonymous No.14664811]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GISnTECX8Eg

There can only be one theme for the future

[Anonymous No.14664818]

>>14664726
The issue with filk is that it isn't as curated as other music genres and you have to go through many decent but not exceptional songs in order to find one that is really great. Then you just forget about them because they're so obscure.

[Anonymous No.14664822]

>>14664595
I just want spinhabs bros.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZoSYsNADtY

[Anonymous No.14664823]

>>14664811
Based? more SS13 kino https://youtu.be/UaD4AiqYDyA

[Anonymous No.14664824]

>>14664811
If we're doing ss13
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRns6u5bHuw

I should be sitting in some pointless space station doing some soulless deskjob while waiting for a shot at a seat on a real mission to Europa or something cool, not getting excited because someone is finally actually building a real fucking rocket.

[Anonymous No.14664838]

>>14664824
:)

[Anonymous No.14664850]

new Webb, NGC7496

[Anonymous No.14664852]

>>14662741
>get selected for manned flyby mission because you have no useless arms, legs, mouth or genitals wasting mass
>this is your life now

[Anonymous No.14664856]

>>14664595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9rBfL7F3a0
And obviously https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEcqHA7dbwM

[Anonymous No.14664857]

>>14664850
i don't care, where's proxima b???

[Anonymous No.14664859]

>>14664852
W-why does he have my onahole for a mouth?

[Anonymous No.14664862]

>>14664852
As if losing all your limbs and body below your upper jaw is a bad thing lol

[Anonymous No.14664867]

>>14664857
proxima what?

[Anonymous No.14664871]

>>14664857
Sorry, I'm not finding it on the list of places to care about: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_congressional_districts

[Anonymous No.14664885]

>>14664856
style reminds me of supergiant games music, very nice. https://youtu.be/K6hT4OpIS50
also https://youtu.be/Xpkc-NU1KA0

[Anonymous No.14664887]

>>14664595
Probably not really related to space, but much better than Holst's Planets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnK3kh8ZEgA

[Anonymous No.14664888]

>>14664679
When I discovered this guy it was so bewildering to me that I legitimately spent over an hour repeatedly listening to all his songs and trying to understand how he thought it was ever good enough to upload. He even went as far as to hire a music publication firm to shill his work. My best guess he is just a victim of modern human agreeableness, no one ever told him that his work is fucking awful.

Btw here is his SoundCloud
https://soundcloud.com/user-574718668-921038507

[Anonymous No.14664892]

>>14664679
What a profound and emotional experience I just had by listening to this musical piece. It's like I'm having a stroke.

[Anonymous No.14664896]

>>14664595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tr0otuiQuU

[Anonymous No.14664900]

>>14664595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVPaY2EjwJs

[Anonymous No.14664904]

>>14664536
larger number of space colonists means more leeway for specialization meaning space hookers

[Anonymous No.14664929]

>>14664595
https://youtu.be/lNtnlecG9y0

[Anonymous No.14664948]

>>14664852
come on, can they at least make an effort to make prosthetics look cool. Is not that hard. He reminds me of that creepy /diy/ sexdoll made of paper mache.

[Anonymous No.14664961]

>>14664948
Sorry, but there's nothing left in the budget for manned flyby astronaut salaries and prosthetics after all the single-use billion dollar rockets have been paid for

[Anonymous No.14664970]

>The first landing on Mars will be a huge, world-historical event. Then 1-2 years pass and Mars becomes boring. There will be a few research stations on Mars, with a few thousand scientists. That's it.
its true. nobody cares about the iss.

[Anonymous No.14664987]

>>14664970
>first Mars landing
>first discovery of water
>first discovery of fossilized life
>first death on Mars
>first birth on Mars
>first alien ruins discovered on Mars

ISS needs to go though. That station is old as fuck. Tragically there's no blueprint available for mass production of habitat modules with twin solar panels that be sourced out to a hundred different contractors with a 1-2 year build deadline so that those modules all can be slapped into a Falcon 9 or Falcon Heavy flight, yeeted into LEO and built into a replacement ISS 2.0 that's 2-3x bigger. NASA and Congress are too pussy to assert orbital dominance for the US and basically get the rest of the world to fall in line to have access to it unless they want to deal with Russia or China.

[Anonymous No.14664989]

>>14664970
>The first landing on Mars will be a huge, world-historical event
I hope. If it's not by far the most watched event in the history of our species then Earthers do really deserve to go extinct.

[Anonymous No.14664990]

>>14664970
Nobody really cares about space exploration outside of sci-fi because it doesn't clearly affect their daily lives. Nobody really thinks about sea trade, but the moment one ship runs aground the whole world freaks out. Spaceflight needs to find a way to bring actual tangible benefits to Earth if we want Earthers. Simple rocks and inventing a couple of gadgets won't do

[Anonymous No.14664996]

>>14664970
>SpaceX doesn't exist

[Anonymous No.14664997]

>>14662741
Told you, I'm never going back

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gOXNCd6L6c&t=172s

[Anonymous No.14664999]

>>14664989
Nicki minaj will release a new song that day and it'll get more views

[Anonymous No.14665003]

>>14662741
Fuck this gay Earth. I want to make my own space station with blackjack and hookers.

[Anonymous No.14665020]

>>14664996
its from a prediction about spacex colonizing mars
https://old.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/vzokmf/elon_tweet_on_timeline_for_selfsustaining_mars/

[Anonymous No.14665032]

>reddit
OUT OUT OUT

[Anonymous No.14665048]

>>14665003
That's outside of the mass budget. You'll have to settle for a milled titanium fleshlight.

[Anonymous No.14665051]

>>14664595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YphhoTR0cg

[Anonymous No.14665056]

https://youtu.be/efjf37ZPYz4

[Anonymous No.14665067]

>>14665056
How's the weather on Proxima b?

[Anonymous No.14665091]

>>14665056
I wish that was me

[Anonymous No.14665108]

>>14665020
>leddit prediction
Nig nog detect

[Anonymous No.14665131]

>>14665020
> Reddit
Cancer aside, i dont know how you retards browse that site user experience wise. The layout sucks, if you want to see a reply it goes to another damn page and if you keep scrolling it will show the "I made X shitty drawing" popular posts. That site is even worse than twitter if its trying to be a forum.

[Anonymous No.14665136]

my boys just found a 'zine site
https://galacticjourney.org/stories/Fantasy__Science_Fiction_v024n06_1963-06_Gorgon776.pdf

[Anonymous No.14665137]

>>14663693
If Brazil got their shit together (big if there) could they be successful at maintaining a space elevator? Assuming some unobtanium can provide proper tenile strength, would you see them and other third-world equatorial countries develop?

[Anonymous No.14665145]

>>14665137
not if I have anything to say about it

[Anonymous No.14665153]

>>14665131
sounds like you're using the new cancerous layout that everyone hates instead of the old text layout

[Anonymous No.14665156]

>>14662769
No it doesn’t.

[Anonymous No.14665171]

>>14665131
Yeah. The irony is that 4chan’s layout typically gatekeeps normies from reddit who try browsing this place on their own after seeing le funny greentext screenshot out in the wild. But reddit’s layout is way more gay. Also if you download the app you get exposed to nothing but hyperprogressive cancer—it is by far way worse than twitter which can at least feed you stuff you want to see. I use reddit only for baseball and catholic memes but aside from that it makes me want to purge the entire population of earth
>inb4 you shouldn’t use it at all
I know

[Anonymous No.14665175]

What's bigger, a star close to us/a star relatively far away from us but still in the milky way or a galaxy that's at a relatively moderate distance from us?

[Anonymous No.14665177]

>>14665175
By bigger I mean to an observer near Earth

[Anonymous No.14665181]

>>14665175
A galaxy, although you won’t be able to see it with the naked eye. I assume you’re talking about relative size. If andromeda was brighter it would be about the size of ~4 full moons in the sky

[Anonymous No.14665223]

>>14665131
old.reddit.com
They follow the general practice nowadays of making the experience intentionally trash to try to corral you into using an app.

[Anonymous No.14665227]

>>14665223
>Reddit used to be good!
Go back.

[Anonymous No.14665248]

How do you even build a landing pad here to stop debris?

[Anonymous No.14665252]

>>14665248
build berms

[Anonymous No.14665254]

>>14661871
Are the Chinese really just going to give the US a whole decade of completely uncontested access to space in the greatest levels ever seen?
The fact that 2035 is the number they're officially giving makes me even more concerned. How likely is it that they can really accomplish that?

[Anonymous No.14665267]

>>14665227
Never made that claim champ. It's never been good as a social media platform or a forum. What it is useful for is as a news aggregator for niche interests.

[Anonymous No.14665270]

>>14665248
Thermonuclear device to make a crater.

[Anonymous No.14665291]

>>14664595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgy2eMLxng4

[Anonymous No.14665351]

>>14664595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xG09d3WcGo
:3

[Anonymous No.14665355]

>>14665254
>Are the Chinese really just going to give the US a whole decade of completely uncontested access to space in the greatest levels ever seen?
Try a century. China simply can't compete on materials science without fundamentally rewriting Chinese cheat-to-get-ahead culture at a level not even Mao attempted.
>The fact that 2035 is the number they're officially giving makes me even more concerned. How likely is it that they can really accomplish that?
0% chance.

[Anonymous No.14665362]

>>14664595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARcgqTx3NOg

[Anonymous No.14665377]

>>14664595
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EFbdYvolxRM

[Anonymous No.14665391]

>>14664780
Listened to this one the other day. Good one

[Anonymous No.14665406]

>>14664987
>first discovery of water
>first discovery of fossilized life
>first alien ruins discovered on Mars
How can it be a first discovery if you anon already knew about them? Plus you forgot the studio were the Moon landing was faked.

Joke aside
>Tragically there's no blueprint available for mass production of habitat modules with twin solar panels that be sourced out to a hundred different contractors with a 1-2 year build deadline so that those modules all can be slapped into a Falcon 9 or Falcon Heavy flight, yeeted into LEO and built into a replacement ISS 2.0 that's 2-3x bigger
Sound like a horrible use of the money, we are not to the point were "mass production" of self-contained modules is relevant. IMHO what we should be doing is a space dock meant to experiment fast-assembly methods through robotic arms. Only then you'll mass produce the parts down there and launch them with whatever you have.
Then design would no longer be so strictly limited by rocket size.

[Anonymous No.14665419]

USG just blinked.

[Anonymous No.14665426]

>>14664595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzGmbwS_Drs
Not directly space related but it always makes me think of exploring giant abandoned space stations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_0G6WPuss4

[Anonymous No.14665500]

>>14665419
NASA has always been the exception to the State Department's machinations

[Anonymous No.14665509]

Why is Jupiter so great?

[Anonymous No.14665511]

>NASA and Northrop Grumman will perform a full-scale static test of a Space Launch System (SLS) solid rocket booster motor at Northrop Grumman’s Promontory, Utah, test facility July 21.

[OmegA's nozzle implosion intensifies]

[Anonymous No.14665519]

>>14664989
There is significant delay in the launch and landing.
Probably won't have good quality video feed.
No real-time interactivity between crew and ground control.
Doesn't look like a winner combination.

[Anonymous No.14665527]

>>14665511
AGAIN? WHY! THEYVE DONE THIS SINCE 2006!!!!

>https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2006/03/srb-test-fire-successful/

[Anonymous No.14665528]

>NASA’s Science Mission Directorate and the Jet Propulsion Laboratory have commissioned an independent review to examine project and institutional issues that led to the Psyche mission missing its planned 2022 launch opportunity, and to review the mission’s path forward. The 15-member review board will be chaired by retired NASA official Tom Young and is slated to begin work on July 19. The review will study factors of workforce environment, culture, communication, schedule, and both technical and programmatic risks. Results of this study will help inform a continuation/ termination review for the mission, as well as provide NASA and JPL with actionable information to reduce risk for other missions. The board is expected to brief their findings to NASA and JPL leadership in late September.

[Anonymous No.14665535]

IT WAS ALMOST OVER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsGUonW4-80

[Anonymous No.14665548]

>>14665535
SpaceXNigga is a snitch autist but Jesus how the fuck does he find all this shit out it’s actually impressive

[Anonymous No.14665549]

>>14665527
It's an iteration of the SRBs as part of the upgrades that will surely not be canceled before uhhhhh this says Artemis IX? So 2032?

>“The current SLS boosters for the first eight Artemis missions are using a robust mix of new avionics and substantial heritage hardware from the Space Shuttle Program,” said Bruce Tiller, SLS Booster Program manager. “This particular ground test will demonstrate some new materials, a completely new steering system, and a new way to ignite the motor. Data from this test will improve our booster design for future missions that take us farther into deep space than ever before.”

[Anonymous No.14665556]

>>14665549
Ah it’s one of the “dark Knight” boosters. In another world, where SLS started flying in 2017, this would be badass

[Anonymous No.14665564]

>>14665556
They're going to be recovering these after launch, right? Right?

[Anonymous No.14665576]

>>14665564
No lol

[Anonymous No.14665577]

ETA for booster 8 static fire?

[Anonymous No.14665578]

>>14665577
Two weeks

[Anonymous No.14665579]

>>14665564
No lol. That’s why they NEED these by SLS flight 9. The original shuttle SRB boosters will be expended on flights 1-8, and there won’t be anymore flight worthy parts. The Dark Knights will be expended too, but because they still have open production lines. A lot of art randomly has them as white too for some reason haha
Btw, logically SLS will be cancelled before this becomes an issue, but I 100% see congress keeping it alive into the 2030s and maybe 40s

[Anonymous No.14665595]

>27 metric tons to TLI in 2022 for $2 billion

vs

>43.5 metric tons to TLI in 1967 for $1.2 billion

[Anonymous No.14665608]

>B7 almost fucking nukes itself during spin start
uhhh do they know what's gonna happen when they actually light them? i think i do. bye bye B7

[Anonymous No.14665610]

>>14665595
space is hard

[Anonymous No.14665643]

>>14665595
it's called inflation

[Anonymous No.14665649]

>>14665643
The second figure is in 2019 dollars so tack on another ten percent I guess

>>14665610
Having the dumb idea to reuse Shuttle parts is what makes it hard

[Anonymous No.14665669]

>>14664542
Stations would join together for Christmas to throw together a big Christmas party. Outside of holidays they would trade resources and dock to transfer them easily.

Would having serval space stations on very same orbit, equaly spaced out be a good idea? If they wanted to join together they would accelerate/decelerate, wait some time and boost back to catch their destination. Minimal amount if fuel used and ring of stations would allow for shared data transfer around entire orbit. They could use lasers for high bandwidth data transfer.

[Anonymous No.14665678]

>>14664595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3kSPHcjN34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PCEp8z7FNg

[Anonymous No.14665685]

>Be me
>Watch some new anime about night walks and vampires, it's actually pretty good
>Get inspired, go for a 3:00 a.m. walk
>Have to walk on an overpass because walkable cities are a meme, I guess
>Some drunk asshole in a car going near highway speed throws a large McDonald's soda out the window and straight beams me right in the back
>Somehow didn't open until it hit me, I got soaked
>Keep walking
>See over a dozen tranny flags
>See a sign that says 'say no to local proposed spaceport'
>Same spaceport which is now pretty much dead in the water after the Russians bombed Yuzhmash
>Go home

I hate earthers and anime so much it's unreal.

[Anonymous No.14665693]

>>14665685
Cлaвa Укpaїнi!

[Anonymous No.14665695]

>>14665685
you're lucky it wasn't his spit cup

[Anonymous No.14665698]

>>14665248
the answer is always the same:
proonting

[Anonymous No.14665718]

>>14664595
the absolute state of /sfg/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlaTeXX3uH8

[Anonymous No.14665720]

>>14665608
No anon, I think nobody knows how rockets work.

[Anonymous No.14665735]

>>14664115
The only country with enough disregard for human life will be the first one to reach Mars, and chinks beat everyona by x100 on that regard.

[Anonymous No.14665737]

>>14665735
They have yet to land on the Moon.
And before that build a Moon rocket.

[Anonymous No.14665754]

>>14661871
>stupid cgi pic for OP

[Anonymous No.14665759]

>>14665595
Yeah these figures are actually adjusted for inflation. SLS is a calamity

[Anonymous No.14665770]

>>14665754
Looks more like a painting than CGI to me.

[Anonymous No.14665909]

>>14665685
I've been doing night walks for years now especially in the summer because it's too fucking hot during the day. Keep going, it's really good for you
the trick is that nobody sees you so you're free to rip off the tranny flags and destroy the retarded signs

[Anonymous No.14665925]

>>14664595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5t2kDqvoYY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtGG1WLP1pk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF32DRg9opA

[Anonymous No.14666040]

>>14665909
do you live in a big city?

[Anonymous No.14666043]

>>14665695
>spit cup
a thing in slav countries?

[Anonymous No.14666049]

NASA targets late August for Artemis I
>https://blogs.nasa.gov/artemis/2022/07/15/progress-continues-toward-artemis-i-launch/

Musktards? When will your methane bomb fly?

[Anonymous No.14666059]

>>14664780
>>14665391
Time is a good album.

[Anonymous No.14666060]

F

[Anonymous No.14666073]

>>14666049
remember when it used to be SLS vs FH

[Anonymous No.14666080]

>>14666049
after the hydromeme bomb explodes, inshallah

[Anonymous No.14666082]

>>14666073
Yeah, lol.
https://youtu.be/4ptPdlVAwFg

[Anonymous No.14666085]

>>14666073
Where is Falcon Heavy? oh yeah, missing

[Anonymous No.14666088]

>>14666085
gonna fly more times this year than SLS

[Anonymous No.14666098]

I see what you faggots are doing on /v/.

[Anonymous No.14666099]

>>14666088
correction: never gonna fly this year

[Anonymous No.14666112]

>>14666098
was expecting a Starfox thread. Disappointing.

[Anonymous No.14666139]

Starship is now popular, so contrarians will simp for SLS?

[Anonymous No.14666146]

>>14666098
go back

[Anonymous No.14666147]

>>14666098
can someone explain to me what emotions their faces are conveying

[Anonymous No.14666149]

>>14666146
Nah, I like it here.

[Anonymous No.14666159]

>>14666147
the cat always makes me laugh

[Anonymous No.14666189]

>>14666147
man in suit listening: listening with interest, maybe slightly incredulous
man in suit speaking: speaking passionately, maybe angry
woman wearing a napkin as a hat: a mixture of surprised smiling and disgust, maybe contempt
woman wearing yellow shawl: intrigued, maybe even sexual interest
man wearing a blouse: annoyed, angry, worried, confused
cat: complete understanding and emotionless judgment

[Anonymous No.14666196]

>>14666082
At last, after all these years, I’ve finally actually seen and heard the quote. I always thought it was only from an article.

[Anonymous No.14666200]

>>14666149
don't care

[Anonymous No.14666210]

>>14666200
Cool :)

[Anonymous No.14666213]

>>14666139
In the grand scheme of things I think rooting for spacex is still more contrarian over rooting for SLS

[Anonymous No.14666218]

>>14665669
Yeah I think serval stations are a good idea

[Anonymous No.14666245]

(The joke is that the anime girl's name is Serval)
(She's supposed to represent a serval cat)
(She's cute)

[Anonymous No.14666259]

>>14665685
>I hate earthers and anime so much it's unreal.
sounds like you actually just hate Americans
welcome aboard

[Anonymous No.14666275]

>>14666274
>>14666274
>>14666274
New thread

[Anonymous No.14666296]

>>14666213
you wouldnt believe it but there are many people that think SLS is a great rocket

[Anonymous No.14666301]

>>14666139
It's not so much more popular as SLS losing the few still supporting it.
Starship may look like a crazy prototype that have never flown yet.
But SLS is a waste of money even if it fly just as planned.