/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.1458828]

Is man-made global warming real? It appears that there's a lot of conflicting evidence within the scientific community.

>implying anti-global warming research isn't funded by oil companies
That may be true, but then there were leaked emails from global warming advocates to downplay or silence opposing views. So both sides seem to have vested interests.

I fully expect this thread to be filled with trolls and dipshits, but if any board can provide a half-decent discussion on the issue, it's /sci/.

[Anonymous No.1458835]

We don't really know. We are still fucking the earth up pretty bad even if its not making us hotter.

[Anonymous No.1458847]

>Is man-made global warming real?

Yes because Al Gore (a fucking Vice President of the Greatest Nation on Earth) told me so.

[Anonymous No.1458858]

We simply don't know, using simple consensus (even if it is amongst scientists) is not really scientific because we still don't have good models and proof to adequately predict and explain the phenomena, only give vague indications. And with the politicization of the subject, the research is bogged down in those who seek government grants to simply fund their operation instead of doing research and those that take money to give so-called evidence to the contrary.

[Anonymous No.1458867]

>>1458828
Pull up the global warming paper list from project rhizome, evidence is pretty damn straight forward that we're causing global warming.

Only problem is because of the hidden hand theory of economics, it will never be solved.

[Anonymous No.1458916]

>>1458828
>>1458835
>>1458847
>>1458858
All fucking trolls. Global warming is man made. I'm sure a bunch of /sci/fags can appreciate this argument: Global warming is a naturally occuring event - man is changing the rate at which it happens.
>the rate at which
>the rate
>rate
It's all about the rate at which something happens. And man is increasing the rate by waaaaay too fucking much.

[Anonymous No.1458929]

>>1458916
I don't see an argumentation, only a statement without backing.

[Anonymous No.1458931]

>It appears that there's a lot of conflicting evidence within the scientific community.
>It appears
And that's all it does.
There's a strong and strengthening consensus that it is real.

The minority just shouts as loud as their big-corp funded lungs can, to make it seem like the sides are even.

But if you look at the qualifications on both sides, the more qualified people are overwhelmingly on the side of anthropogenic global warming being REAL.

[Anonymous No.1458932]

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[Anonymous No.1458941]

This seemsu p your ally /sci/

Intelligence

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[Anonymous No.1458945]

>>1458931

That's not how science works, just because Galileo was in the minority and the majority of scholars was against him didn't make his science wrong. It's about the scientific research and until that gives conclusive evidence that explains what exactly is happening, you're just arguing politics.

[Anonymous No.1458946]

>>1458931 There's a strong and strengthening consensus that it is real.

Yep, though you wouldn't know it from the media coverage. The evidence is pretty goddamn conclusive.

>>1458828 leaked emails from global warming advocates

Not really - those excerpts were taken from thousands of emails and stripped of context to make it seem to the casual reader like something shady was going on. Both the East Anglia university and the House of Commons conducted an investigation and found no wrongdoing on the climatologists' part.

[Anonymous No.1458948]

>>1458945
Yes but Galileo wasn't a scientific illiterate who wanted the whole world to think he was right for political and monetarial gain.

[Warden !/XflYWrXB6 No.1458953]

>>1458945
Science deals with evidence, and the evidence says that the majorty are correct on this issue.
Heliocentrisum was around for a thousand years., but with no evidence it couldn't be used.

[Anonymous No.1458955]

>>1458945 That's not how science works

It sorta is, at least from an outsiders' perspective. You and I lack the education to judge the evidence, so we don't really have a choice but to listen to the experts. If 99% of the scientists studying it think global warming is happening, then we have to assume that they know what they're talking about.

[Anonymous No.1458956]

>>1458948

Doesn't make the majority right either. Until they can point out exactly what is going to happen, how the entire dynamic works and what causes what, it's not conclusive.

[Anonymous No.1458957]

Man made global warming is real, but it's barely significant enough to change the planet at all

that the earth has been warming is a fact however, though now it seems like it has begun to cool down again

danish scientist Henrik Svensmark's work is able to shed some light on why

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henrik_Svensmark

[Anonymous No.1458959]

>>1458957
see my post on >>1458916

[Anonymous No.1458963]

>>1458929
If you truly want the evidence it takes no more than quick google search. CO2 is a green house gas. That's a fact. It's important in minute amounts to keep the planet warm. It's good to have it, but we have too much of it. I don't harp on these lessons because everyone has heard it too many times.

[Anonymous No.1458965]

>>1458956
>Until they can point out exactly what is going to happen, how the entire dynamic works and what causes what, it's not conclusive.

Like gravity?

[Warden !/XflYWrXB6 No.1458968]

>>1458965
Exactly.
Thats why people are looking for a uniformed theory.

[Anonymous No.1458970]

>>1458957 that the earth has been warming is a fact however, though now it seems like it has begun to cool down again

Which is why the last decade (2000-2009) was the hottest decade on record, amirite?

[Anonymous No.1458972]

>>1458970
Global "Warming" is a misnomer. It's climate change because some places get warmer some get cooler. Saying that it's true based on it's name is just as stupid as saying Fox n' Friends was true in disproving it because it was the coldest recorded temperatures. It's not about the temperatures on day to day, but average trends, and extreme differences.

[Anonymous No.1458973]

>>1458965

You don't base economic and political change on the origins of gravity.

[Anonymous No.1458975]

>>1458973
Not one grip of companies is in the Graviton making business. That's why.

[Anonymous No.1458976]

>>1458970

yeah, that's not true

[Anonymous No.1458978]

>>1458972

I'm aware of that, I was just correcting some asshole who thinks that the global temperature is cooling. It isn't.

[Anonymous No.1458981]

>>1458978
In arguing against his point you validate it. They look at the micro proportioned data that's on a macro level. Goddamned retards.

[Anonymous No.1458985]

>>1458976

Yes it is. The last decade was the hottest on record. Google it.

[Anonymous No.1458994]

>>1458976 yeah, that's not true

Sorry buddy:

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=last+decade+hottest+on+record

[Anonymous No.1458999]

GLOBAL WARMING IS A CONSPIRACY
SERIOUSLY WAKE UP SHEEPLE, PEOPLE ARE MAKING MONEY OFF OF GLOBAL WARMING BEING CONCIDERED FACT IM NOT SHURE HOW BUT THEY ARE SO THERE THATS WHY ITS A LIE
WHAT DO YOU TRUST AL GORE OF ALL PEOPLE?
DO YOU TRUST ANYTHING THE GOVERNMENT TELLS YOU YOU STUPID MOTHERFUCKING SHEEPLE!

[Anonymous No.1459002]

>>1458999
holy shit, triples
First I get quads, not triples?

if this post is doubles, I'm gonna shit my pants.

[Anonymous No.1459008]

>>1458999
>implying if someone makes a profit off of it it's untrue.
0/10

[Anonymous No.1459015]

>>1459008
>implying i was not just souting the same bullshit most global warming deniers spout.

Seriously, those are not my opinions, it's just the general opinion on the matter, from what I experience.

[Anonymous No.1459036]

>>1459015
>implying that Ed is a fish
Well, sir, your argument is invalid. How could Ed ever live outside of water if he's a fish?

[Anonymous No.1459042]

>>1459036
Dude, it's Ed.

[Anonymous No.1459052]

> Arguments without sources to back them
As I suspected, /sci/.

[Anonymous No.1459059]

>global warming conspiracy thread

>thread hidden

[Anonymous No.1459064]

>>1458999
and other people make even more money if people don't believe in global warming

And said people are paying people like you... to blow their horn for them.

So how does that oily cock taste?

[Anonymous No.1459138]

Yes, it is real. A simple experiment to prove it would be to fill a tank (fish, not APC) with CO2 and put dark, -mostly-abiotic dirt in the bottom and obviously seal it. Do the exact same, but use atmospheric gasses (does not work as well if you live in humid or polluted areas) and leave both in the sun on a hot day. The one with CO2 should, theoretically be hotter. If it didn't work, try again, because you probably "dun goofed".

[Anonymous No.1459162]

http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

One of the arguments for AGW is the ratio of carbon-13 present in the atmosphere.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2004/12/how-do-we-know-that-recent-cosub2sub-increases
-are-due-to-human-activities-updated/.

[Anonymous No.1459189]

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[Anonymous No.1459192]

Fuck! Is this a dead thread or something?

[коб No.1459325]

>>1458828

man made global warming is a scam, climate fluctuates.

>Global cooling was a conjecture during the 1970s of imminent cooling of the Earth's surface and atmosphere along with a posited commencement of glaciation. This hypothesis had mixed support in the scientific community, but gained temporary popular attention due to a combination of press reports that did not accurately reflect the scientific understanding of ice age cycles, and a slight downward trend of temperatures from the 1940s to the early 1970s.

[коб No.1459330]

>>1459138

plants fix CO2.

earth is not a tank that we filled with CO2

[Anonymous No.1459336]

>>1459330
Normally plants would fix CO2. But over the last 400 years we've cut down >60% of the world's trees. You can't pump CO2 into the atmosphere and expect plants to clean it up when you're also cutting down forests and killing all the plants.

[коб No.1459359]

>>1459336

either way, CO2 accounts for a fraction of a percent of Green House effect. Water vapor has a much greater effect. The sun and space rays is what drives change in climate...

[Anonymous No.1459360]

>>1458957
BEEEEEEEEEEEEP.
wrong.

CO2 is mostly filtered by the ocean. Your statement is retarded and false.

[Anonymous No.1459368]

>>1459325
>climate fluctuates.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/climate-change-little-ice-age-medieval-warm-period.htm
http://www.skepticalscience.com/1500-year-natural-cycle.htm

[Anonymous No.1459388]

>>1458828
Polution is real, innefficiant machines letting off CO2 are real. I'd say we have enough to deal with.

[Anonymous No.1459391]

>>1459359 CO2 accounts for a fraction of a percent of Green House effect. Water vapor has a much greater effect.

And there's this mysterious occurrence called "rain" that takes water vapor out of the atmosphere, you dumb bastard. It can't build up the way CO2 can.

>>1459359 The sun and space rays is what drives change in climate.

In the last 35 years of global warming, the sun has shown a slight cooling trend:

http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.htm

So I'm pretty sure it's not behind the warming.

[Anonymous No.1459407]

The earth has constantly gone through ice ages, dealt with super volcanoes, tsunamis, earthquakes of a magnitude un-imaginable and more, and people think some paper bags and a little bit of gas is gonna fuck shit up?

[Anonymous No.1459426]

>>1459360
EARTH IS FLAT HURF DURR

UR WRONG

[коб No.1459438]

>>1459391

there are genuine environmental problems that are not being tackled.

"global warming" is just a power grab.

i'm done making any arguments in this thread.

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[Anonymous No.1459454]

We are still coming out of the ice age, jackass. It's going to get warmer. Get used to it.

Oshi- In like 50 million years, Pangaea will reform! We are burning so much fossil fuel, it's causing continental drift!!!

[Anonymous No.1459455]

>>1459444
>>1459448
Cool, a pic that says source is from nasa. Can you please actually find the source?

Besides, any graph that has to do with nasa is much prettier. They must have a great graphs department or something

[Anonymous No.1459456]

[коб No.1459457]

This is what a third world country has to say about global warming.

>According to Vladimir Shaidurov of the Russian Academy of Sciences, the apparent rise in average global temperature recorded by scientists over the last hundred years or so could be due to atmospheric changes that are not connected to human emissions of carbon dioxide from the burning of natural gas and oil. Shaidurov explained how changes in the amount of ice crystals at high altitude could damage the layer of thin, high altitude clouds found in the mesosphere that reduce the amount of warming solar radiation reaching the earth's surface.

>Shaidurov has used a detailed analysis of the mean temperature change by year for the last 140 years and explains that there was a slight decrease in temperature until the early twentieth century. This flies in the face of current global warming theories that blame a rise in temperature on rising carbon dioxide emissions since the start of the industrial revolution. Shaidurov, however, suggests that the rise, which began between 1906 and 1909, could have had a very different cause, which he believes was the massive Tunguska Event, which rocked a remote part of Siberia, northwest of Lake Baikal on the 30th June 1908.

>>1459391

http://www.physorg.com/news11710.html>>1459391
>>1459391

[коб No.1459465]

>>1459456

that graph was actually doctored by UNICEF

[коб No.1459466]

>>1459455

can you actually go and fuck yourself.

[Anonymous No.1459479]

>>1459465

proof would be cool.

[коб No.1459485]

>>1459479

disproof would be better.

[Anonymous No.1459486]

>>1459325
more pictures of policemen abusing bitches?

[Anonymous No.1459490]

>>1459466
I don't see how i could, as i only have one set of genitalia.

And {russian letters}, no one cares. Burning fossil fuels is still bad for the environment. They still are generally inefficient as compared to other forms of energy.

No one cares if fucking global warming is man made or not. Its a stupid political issue, not a scientific one.

Also, wind, sun, and nuclear could easily fill all of the world's power needs. Not to mention the efficiency of building could be greatly increased with minimal effort.

>Go fuck yourself

[Anonymous No.1459491]

>>1459485

Burden of proof lies on you

[Anonymous No.1459510]

>>1459485

All I can find is this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/6679082/Climate-change-this-is-the-w
orst-scientific-scandal-of-our-generation.html

but that's not exactly related to doctoring the data.

It's a cyclical process, a reoccurring even. Earth heats up, earth cools down. I have some faith to the geology/atmospheric science professors at my university.

[Anonymous No.1459516]

>>1459485

Here's the NASA article I was reading for some sauce

[коб No.1459530]

>>1459490

i totally am for reduction in pollution and tackling real environmental problems.

what i'm against is demonizing industry and carbon taxing. This whole global warming hysteria is just being used to launder money, and fuck all is being done for the environment.

[коб No.1459538]

>>1459491

Burden or education and pursuit of knowledge on you good sir.

[Anonymous No.1459547]

oops here's the link: http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/GISSTemperature/printall.php

>>1459530

Yes, "green," has become the new buzz word. In reality, the public is just getting the same or more bullshit that companies are now trying to help the environment.

[коб No.1459556]

here's you savior, messiah, and eco god.

says he build boats out of plastic bottles (more like pays some company to build a boat out of composite fibers with recycled plastic from water bottles in it), sails to the pacific gyre and doesn't afraid of anything (has not actually sailed to the pacific gyre).

[Anonymous No.1459557]

>>1459538
>>1459538

I guess UNICEF doctored this NASA one too. Fucktard

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/blogs/climateqa/if-earth-has-warmed-and-cooled-throughout-history-w
hat-makes-scientists-think-that-humans-are-causing-global-warming-now/

[коб No.1459592]

>>1459557

so they replicated the planet earth sans humans and used it as a control?

[Anonymous No.1459612]

>>1459592
>>1459592

It's called modeling you cock goblin, see >>1459456. That's how the earth is normally.

This is a 10 year heat map of how the earth is deviating from that (pic related)

Don't believe me? Go to fucking NASA's website on this shit:
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/

[коб No.1459639]

>>1459612

trust an organization founded by a kabal of Nazis, the perfected the art of propaganda.

i dont think so.

[коб No.1459647]

NASA

Nazi American Science Association

NATO

Nazi American Terrorist Organization.

Nazi Germany wanted to unify Europe.

United Germany unifies Europe.

hmm, it all makes sense now.

because

Correlation is relation.

[Anonymous No.1460106]

>>1459647
>>1459647

Ignoring your pathetic attempts to derail the authority of NASA by attempting to establish a link between fuckwit fascist Nazi Germany and the democratic United States of America.

You'll notice that as scientific journals this NASA article is mentioned and cites is the very magazine of science itself, motherfucking Science. It's the most world-renown and credible journal word-wide. Hundreds of thousands of brilliant scientists read and peer review the papers published within Science.

No, correlation is not relation.

There are way too many factors, both from nature and man-made BOTH cooling and heating to pin it one and one thing only, (mankind). However, the leading atmospheric scientists have come forth to explicitly say: "dangerous human interference with the climate system."

When all it takes is one or two degrees centigrade increase in the planet's average surface temperature deviation from normal to fuck everything up, you'd have to be a fuckwad societal outcast to not try and reverse the effects, or keep from fucking up shit any worse than it already is.

[Anonymous No.1460182]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu1PicT0TMU&feature=recentlik&videos=V_5inoS8FHQ

Carl Sagan and Stephen Hawking talk about global warming

[коб No.1460272]

>>1460106

>democratic United States of America.

stopped reading after that, its a Republic you knob!

[AnonymousG No.1460296]

>>1459647

Glenn Beck, is that you?

[Anonymous No.1460305]

>>1460272

A republic is a democratic state...

[Anonymous No.1460306]

>>1460272
>>1460272

I didn't say it was democACY asswipe, I said it was democrATIC, that's an adjective. Fascist, that's another, you illiterate underage fuck.

[коб No.1460333]

I have a way to save the world from CO2. Since the United States of America consumes most resources we should test the IQ of every American and cut off all services and forbid the sale of any good to anyone with an IQ below 120. We get the UN to supply skinhead polaks and juju warriors to provide security for the worth wile human while the wasters replenish the earth with their rotting corpses. Once we fixed the consumption problem in the United States we repeat the procedure in every other country of the world. I believe to be fair and unbiased we should only apply the IQ test in English :D

[Anonymous No.1460341]

>>1460333
>only smart people like us
>worth wile
>:D

[коб No.1460350]

>>1460306

Fascist is a government that has a union between State, Corporation and Church.

i rest my case.

[коб No.1460354]

>>1460341

pardon me for not being fluent in my third language, a bastard language at that.

[Anonymous No.1460356]

>>1460333

>kill everyone below a certain IQ level
>does not realize this changes the distribution of IQs, creating another group of people <120
>will most likely be put down if this fucktardery were ever implemented

congrats, you're speshul

[Anonymous No.1460357]

the sun
/thread

[коб No.1460367]

>>1458828

just reflecting the opinions the the science and the elite.

Eric Pianka would totally support my opinion, that the US is full of useless blood bags.

[Anonymous No.1460368]

>>1460333
>forbid the sale of any good to anyone with an IQ below 120
>Average IQ is 100
>People with IQ below 120 die
>Raise average IQ
>IQ test compensates for new average IQ
>Test is done again
>People with IQ just above 120 are now below 120
>People die

Ad infinitum until human race is extinct.

[Anonymous No.1460377]

>>1460350
>Fascist is a government

No, the noun form of this word refers to an individual.

>that has a union between State, Corporation and Church.

No, you are describing a communist theocracy, however the fuck that works.

[коб No.1460404]

>>1460377

but i used that noun in reference to a government.

>>1460377

Nazis were socialist.

[коб No.1460412]

>>1460377

how does church play in to communism?

huh?

[Anonymous No.1460422]

weather it's anthropogenic or not, why don't we just try to fix it. Restore the forests/stop cutting down more shit, keep our oceans clean, and stop using so much energy.

If we're wrong, we made the earth a very livable and restored its beauty. If we're right, we saved the planet.

I really don't see the problem here.

[AnonymousG No.1460432]

>>1460333

> Implying IQ is the only way to measure intelligence or
> Implying IQ is the best way to measure intelligence.
> Implying IQ tests are accurate.
> Implying your unsupported definition of 'useful' is "correct".
> Implying people have to be "useful" to live.
> Implying your inherently subjective views are objectively correct.

[коб No.1460433]

>>1460422

>try to fix it. Restore the forests/stop cutting down more shit, keep our oceans clean, and stop using so much energy.

that has nothing to do with global warming.

how does cleaning up the ocean (pacific gyre par example) reduce 'global warming'?

[AnonymousG No.1460437]

>>1460422

It requires effort, and some people (read: republicans) are greedy and don't like to help out unless they get something from it.

(Hint: they don't understand anything besides instant pay-off.)

[Anonymous No.1460439]

>>1460437

>It requires effort, and some people (read: NIGGERS) >are greedy and don't like to help out unless they get >something from it.

>(Hint: they don't understand anything besides instant >pay-off.)

I fixed it for you

[AnonymousG No.1460440]

>>1460433

I think the "it" he's referring to is the condition of the environment in general. (And fixing "it" implies a fix of global climate change.)

[AnonymousG No.1460443]

>>1460439

Ah, thanks.

[Anonymous No.1460447]

>>1460404

You can say that someone is a facist, but you cannot say that a government is a fascist. You would have to say that a government is a facist government, and when you say it like that, facist becomes an adjective. This was the source of the previous dispute, when someone used the adjective democratic, and you misconstrued that to be a noun. There is no noun form of the word Fascist used to describe a particular type of state. When the word does describe a state, as in the phrase "fascist state" it is an adjective.

[коб No.1460453]

>>1460440

stop mincing words, its 'Global Warming' not climate change!

how does cleaning the ocean make the atmosphere not hot?

[коб No.1460463]

>>1460447

what are you? stupid?

[Anonymous No.1460472]

>>1460433

well, as someone said earlier in the thread, the ocean fixes most of the world's co2, so if we keep it healthy, we stay healthy.

Why, what would be benefit from NOT keeping the oceans clean?

[Anonymous No.1460480]

>>1460453
>>1460453

Do you have any basic English skills or are you just stupid? The warming of the globe IS a climate change you uneducated cocksmuggler.

[коб No.1460486]

>>1460472

how does a clean ocean fix more CO2? its not like we change its volume.

The cleanliness of the ocean has nothing to do with global warming.

[Anonymous No.1460494]

>>1460486
Cleaner oceans = more phytoplankton
More phytoplankton = more CO2 absorption

[Anonymous No.1460499]

>>1460486

The ocean acts a C02 sink as the plant life and bacteria use it in the process of photosynthesis to make energy. By disrupting the oceanic environment, we are hindering it's ability to act as a C02 sink. C02 IS a greenhouse gas, and greenhouse gasses make the earth like a greenhouse, read (trapping sun = hot). Heat = global warming.

[Anonymous No.1460502]

>>1460486

I was under the impression that the plants in the ocean do the fixing.

Also, you never answered

>what would be benefit from NOT keeping the oceans clean?

[коб No.1460547]

>>1460502

am i obligated to answer?

The cost of cleaning up the ocean will bankrupt the world, which depopulate it because no one will be able to afford stuff and food. If nobody buys stuff the economy will never recover, factories wont work, there wont be any man made CO2 and i guess it will fix the global warming problem.

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>>1460547

> Assume capitalism is the only option, make post.

[Anonymous No.1460571]

>>1460547
>Implying money has a finite supply

[Anonymous No.1460579]

>>1460547

Clearly, you didn't read the question. Here is how you answered

>The cost of cleaning up the ocean will bankrupt the world...........

First off [citation needed]. Second, the question was,

>what do we benefit from NOT KEEPING them
clean?

As in, if we keep dumping toxic chemicals/over fishing, what does the world benefit from this?

Healthy planet> fish and industry.

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>>1460579

by destroying the ecosystem we're creating selective pressures which will create a superior trans human being.