ADHD is Real. It is not overdiagnosed, we just have a society that causes more ADHD

[Anonymous No.14573631]

>high IQ
>ADHD
>Never delinquent but chatty and prone to fidgeting
>doesn't hold me back throughout childhood, just the kid who needs to sit on a squishy chair
>Meds make me lose my appetite and feel like a neurotic zombie, without them I'm popular, witty kid and still have good academic achievement, just a bit forgetful and talkative
>stop taking meds, tell my mom I'm fine without
>Towards the end of middle school everything collapses, start showing signs of OCD
>Regain my composure in hs, get into an elite with test
>Sleep deprivation because I'm an ADHD retard who likes staying up
>multiple brain scans but they don't find anything
>Do a lot of impressive shit but underachieve, B average overall
>Start feeling a disparity between me and others, not for the coursework but for managing school shit
>college comes
>worst three semesters of my life, can barely bring myself to get out of bed for class if I'm behind on anything out of fear
>procrastinate on absolutely everything
>occasional Brain fog because of poor sleep
>Can't make friends anymore
>all motivation gone
>Can't even finish an episode of a show without switching out to do something else
>Have barely completed anything lengthy since, unless panicking under deadline pressure
>always 100+ tabs
>Literally logged put of this post while making it to check other shit
>Spent all this time since middle school going from therapist to therapist and taking shit for intrusive thoughts when I should have been focusing on the ADHD
>recently got back on meds

This is the life of someone with ADHD. If your child has ADHD make them take their fucking meds. It sucks but without them once they reach adulthood they'll essentially be well spoken retards. And it's not just adulthood. There are probably seversl amazing things I've missed out on because of procastination. I have ruined my life 20 years in. I've lost most of my conversational skills. Only inheritance can save me now. Or maybe I could start a YouTube channel.

[Anonymous No.14574324]

I feel ya, bro.
I am dealing with it too, I am 28 and still avoiding meds.
I wonder if it actually helps, the worst part about it is not even educational or career related, it is coom related. I can't get into hypnosis trance and always fail to achieve HFO, fucking ADHD.

[Anonymous No.14574358]

I had quantifiable tests done on my assessing executive functioning, working memory, impulse control, and reaction time. I did poorly on all of these despite scoring highly on an IQ test that was also given to me. My ADHD was so bad that I nearly dropped out of school. Now that I'm on medication, my life hasn't been better although I wish this issue had been taken care of sooner (I went it to be assessed by my own volition). I have zero side effects on medication when I'm not sleep deprived.

[Anonymous No.14574393]

>>14573631
>high IQ
>ADHD
mental illness and high IQ are never paired. "mental illness" and "brain damage" are synonymous terms, anyone diagnosed with a mental illness is low IQ. A non functioning or poor function only occurs in low IQ brains.
mental illness = low IQ

[Anonymous No.14574439]

>>14573631
>kids fed sugar cereals are energetic and don't sit still for ~6 hours a day in school
>let's call it ADD/ADHD and sell pharma meds for it that screw them up even more
Now it's worse because kids are just given an ipad/iphone which were designed to work like casino machines, to keep the user addicted and coming back for more.

Have you ever just gone outside, unplugged, and just stopped. Just stop. Everything--just stop, go outside, and watch the leaves on the trees rustle in the wind. Go to the lake or ocean and watch the waves crash. I also don't really see how this is /sci/

[Anonymous No.14575257]

>>14574393
lol ok then what of nash fisher plath dfw grothendieck etc?
illness just manifests itself differently depending on where you are on the scale

[Anonymous No.14575281]

get done with everything that can fuck up your dopaminergic system and replicate """"ADHD"""" symptoms.

münchausen syndromers BTFO
lazy people on suicide watch

[Anonymous No.14575290]

i got given meds for adhd as a kid whick fucked me up long term bruh maybe no dont gib kiddies brain meds cause they talk too much dude

[Anonymous No.14575875]

>>14574393
Shameful post desu.

[Anonymous No.14576463]

I can't do this bros. I keep putting off the things I need to do and when I try to do them I get so tired and lose all my energy. It's so boring that I can't focus and don't have the motivation. This isn't normal is it? How do normies do it?

[Anonymous No.14576732]

>>14574324
>I am dealing with it too, I am 28 and still avoiding meds.

...Why? Seriously, why? One of the major contributing factors population wise accounting for things like crime differences is refusal of parents to medicate their children. For example, I don't remember exact figures so don't take them as exact, something like 80% of black parents refuse to medicate ADHD while only 20% of white parents refuse to medicate for ADHD. For people in jail or prison, far more of them have ADHD. That's just one example.

Look at obesity, and people with undiagnosed or unmedicated ADHD account for something like 1/4th to 1/2 (estimates vary wildly again not being precise here) of all cases of morbid obesity.

You compare social effects and it's just as bad. Difficulty keeping or making friends, difficulty having reliable work (also due to the insomnia), on and on and on it goes.

Look, everyone, for most people something like adderall XR is not going to be a miracle cure. For some people, if you're lucky and your symptoms are that bad, the difference is the difference between living life as if you're dead and being able to feel alive at all. You still have to learn and make up for the things you've missed, but the difference is you can do that. You can notice that you forget things, that you aren't getting things done, and somehow like a normal person have the ability to do them.

You're not "stronger" for avoiding a nearly symptom free solution. You're being stupid. And I mean that in the kindest way possible that a medical professional can't tell you. You. Are being. Stupid. You're torturing yourself for no goddamn reason.

[Anonymous No.14576734]

>>14573631
I recommend against risking shit on something like youtube. Look at or move to someplace where there are tech or trade schools, many places with high enough demand literally have them pay for the schooling and immediately get job placement.

You don't have to live flipping burgers. If you're on meds now, you can turn it around.

[Anonymous No.14576736]

>>14574393
ADHD is a meme diagnosis though. They tried to push the diagnosis on me, my parents rejected it and I have done well in life. No problems. Wouldn't mind legal speed though.
>>14573631
My personal anecdote is that it's a complete and an utter meme.

[Anonymous No.14576739]

>>14576736
I'm happy for you, but keep in mind it's highly genetic (risk to your children) and only some people grow out of it significantly. If you get head trauma it can re-emerge, and with cognitive declines in old age as well. There is also no guarantee your children would have the same benefit of growing out of it that you do. If you had any.

It isn't a "meme" diagnosis when cognitive testing can reliably identify it. You have to ignore reality at that point.

[Anonymous No.14576743]

>>14576732
Wrong it's because nigger genes are violent.

The idea that 25% of US population has ADHD like you suggest is insane.

People just aren't making friends because of technology.

Just go outside retard, do not become a medicated zombie.

[Anonymous No.14576753]

>>14576743
>The idea that 25% of US population has ADHD like you suggest is insane.
That isn't what was written. You simultaneously can't read and can't do math. Hypothetically, if 25% of inmates have a condition obviously that is not 25% of the US population.

[Anonymous No.14576759]

>>14576753
50% of US popultion is morbidly obese and you suggest half of those people have ADHD?
You don't have ADHD pal, just a low iq.

[Anonymous No.14576765]

>>14576759
Around 30%, actually, and depending on the study 1/4th of those have diagnosable ADHD. That puts the percentage of the population at estimates of population wide likelihood for ADHD around estimates of ADHD frequency, which is around 10% at any point in a persons life.

Granted these are rough figures and I'm not wasting more time on you. Anything else you want to be wrong about today?

[Anonymous No.14576766]

>>14576739
Maybe. I haven't read on it much I just know that they tried to medicate me with amphetamine when I was a kid because I couldn't sit quite in a class for hours.

[Anonymous No.14576768]

>>14576766
It may be important to do so. We tend to make up narratives about our lives and justify events to ourselves all the time, regardless of whether the reasons are true or not.

All I'm saying is that some portion of people with ADHD improve with age, and a lot of unlucky people do not. You'd be one of the lucky ones in that case, and it'd be something to keep in mind in case you have head trauma later or get misdiagnosed with dementia as you age (that's a huge recentish finding everyone's flipping shit over).

[Anonymous No.14576769]

>>14573631
> I don’t feel sorry for you
Take responsibility for your life!

[Anonymous No.14576772]

>>14576739
>It isn't a "meme" diagnosis when cognitive testing can reliably identify it
You understand how retarded this statement is?

[Anonymous No.14576774]

>>14576772
No because it isn't but I'm sure you're butthurt enough to make something up.

[Anonymous No.14576779]

>>14576774
I can reliably diagnose you with NTMA syndrome, symptoms are being a faggot and associating with niggers
Clearly not a meme diagnoses right?

[Anonymous No.14576780]

>>14576779
0/10 try harder.

[Anonymous No.14576977]

>>14573631
>ADHD is real
What do you mean, exactly?
Is it a diagnosis doctors give out? Yes.
Other than that it’s just a set of behaviors observations put in a cluster.

ADHD, although some shills would like you to believe differently, is a relatively recent diagnosis.

The „cure“ of psychostimulants is only a short-term relief and in the long-term makes things worse.
Also: Do you really believe exactly the kind of medication previously sold for all kinds of other shit, including depression and dieting, somehow does exactly the thing your brain can’t on it’s own? Alexander Shulgin discovered HUNDREDS of phenethylamines and many of them would probably be a better fix but the marketing and the supply chains are already set up.

Diagnosing children with ADHD is also fucking stupid. They still have very high neuroplasticity and making them believe they‘re faulty is certainly much worse then proper behavioral interventions. It would probably be safer and more effective to put the damn parents on stims.

I‘m not saying medication can’t be useful as a short-term intervention. To get above the fog enough to get your affairs into order and develop healthy coping skills.
But, as someone who is currently on Methylphenidate, they will mess you up in the long term.

There is also this weird cross between Assburgers, ADHD, and high IQ in males that needs to be researched more.
They overlap pretty significantly. Especially when it comes to boredom, inability to follow orders/instructions, openness to sense information and ideas.

I‘m pretty sure I, who is diagnosed with ADHD, am just emotionally underdeveloped because I was smart and sheltered and never really had to put in effort into most things I tried. I’m also just very curious and get lost in the overflow of information easily.

The „hyperactivity“ of the body is the kind trying to Anker itself in the physical reality because the thoughts seem more interesting than the outside.

[Anonymous No.14576989]

>>14574439
Be our guest and go back faggot

[Anonymous No.14577027]

>>14576977
>Diagnosing children with ADHD is also fucking stupid. They still have very high neuroplasticity and making them believe they‘re faulty is certainly much worse then proper behavioral interventions.
That is why you should medicate them early so their brains adapt to function normally. Reality works the opposite of how you think. Yes, you really are that bad off.
>Other than that it’s just a set of behaviors observations put in a cluster.
Maps are just lines on paper. Next time you have a broken I expect you'll protest against treatment claiming "that's just your idea of what bones should look like" and refuse to have them reset.

[Anonymous No.14577032]

>>14577027
>>14576977
Most modern mental illness as diagnosed by school officials and fake and is just trying to bring the intelligent/independent children who crave real challenge down to the level of the mediocre socialized midwit education 105 iq education major. To do this they give the kids amphetamines. The public educational system was a disaster for the human race.

[Anonymous No.14577036]

psychotic psych/med midwits trying to push amphetamines on kids holy fuck I hate you so much I will not take the meds I will not eat the bugs I WILL LEARN ABSTRACT ALGEBRA AND DEVOTE MY DAY TO NUMBER THEORY

[Anonymous No.14577125]

>>14575257
>>14574393
There have been studies on this. ADHD is correlated with
>Low IQ
>Obesity
>Pedophilia
>Autism
And that's just to name a few. ADHD isn't some high IQ superpower. You know what kind of people believe that shit? Morons with a mental illness.

[Anonymous No.14577131]

>>14577125
None of which preclude having a high IQ with ADHD. However, not understanding how averages work does preclude you from an IQ higher than 85.

[Anonymous No.14577289]

>>14573631

>Take meds or bad thing

Unless I literally drop dead without meds you can fuck off pansy. Grow a pair

[Anonymous No.14577303]

>>14576732
>nearly symptom free solution
If this were remotely true, I'd have no problem with taking medications. It's not.

[Anonymous No.14577336]

>>14577303
An anecdote is not data.

[Anonymous No.14577342]

>>14577336
Yeah I'm concentrating so much better with this splitting pain in my skull and my heart pounding in my chest!
>muh anecdotes
no

[Anonymous No.14577351]

>>14577342
Sounds like you didn't have ADHD, or did not take your medication properly. For example, any magnesium supplements and similar are contraindicated. Messing with urinary PH is also a poor idea. Any condition that results in highly basic urine would, also, be a bad idea (the metabolites are excreted into urine via acidity). In any case you can look up actual rates of side-effects and their causes. Anecdote is not data.

"I had a bad time, therefore drug bad" is a fucktard take.

[Anonymous No.14577353]

>>14577351
>These side effects are common enough to be disclosed on the insert, but if you experience them you did something wrong.
Thank goodness you aren't a medical professional.

[Anonymous No.14577360]

>>14577353
America is ridiculously proactive in listing side-effects. They list any *correlated* side-effects. That is why everything under the sun is listed as a side-effect on virtually every drug. Hence "headache" is a side-effect on drugs meant to stop headaches as well.

Basically, you're an idiot who doesn't know fuck or shit about it, and chose to ignore the explanation like you choose to ignore correction on your asinine 5 year old's level of understanding of medication labeling.

[Anonymous No.14577361]

>>14577351
>"I had a bad time, therefore drug bad" is a fucktard take.
Not half as fucktarded as being fundamentally incapable of even the most rudimentary reading comprehension.

[Anonymous No.14577364]

>>14577361
Given you fail at that too, boy your life sucks.

[Anonymous No.14577371]

>>14577360
>Hence "headache" is a side-effect on drugs meant to stop headaches as well.
Yes, because literally any medical professional (which you aren't) is aware that paradoxical effects are a thing.

[Anonymous No.14577374]

>>14577371
Which, if you care to ever read the literature, are most attributable to nocebo. Psychosomaticism is a thing. Cry about it.

Just another narcissist who thinks he knows better with zero actual understanding. Grow up child.

[Anonymous No.14577377]

>>14577131
>ADHD having low iq doesn't preclude them from having high iq
I can tell you have ADHD.

[Anonymous No.14577378]

>>14577364
Re-read the conversation, but this time remove your head from your ass and take note that I used an existential quantifier, not a universal one.

[Anonymous No.14577386]

>>14577374
>most
Existential quantifier, dipshit. One is sufficient.

[Anonymous No.14577393]

>>14577377
ADHD being correlated with low IQ does not imply that ADHD is equal to low IQ.

[Anonymous No.14577395]

>>14577378
Reread the conversation. This time, note that I described a general case you chose to personalize. So, yes, your head is firmly up your ass. You responded to a description of an average with "Buht muh anecdote" and are now trying to salvage your ego. You failed. Go cry about it.

[Anonymous No.14577398]

>>14577393
Just some tard shitting all over the keyboard for attention. The usual.

[Anonymous No.14577410]

>>14577395
No, you literal midwit, you quite clearly stated a universal conditional that anyone with ADHD should take meds. I provided a counterexample and you're butt-hurt. That's literally all this is. The counterexample doesn't have to be me. It could be a hypothetical patient with ADHD and congestive heart failure. The medication would still be contraindicated and you would still be wrong for stating a universal condition to the contrary. Deal with it.

[Anonymous No.14577422]

>>14577410
No, you just can't read.
>you quite clearly stated a universal conditional
Meanwhile what I wrote, and what you quoted me writing
>nearly symptom free solution

So what does "nearly" mean? Because that isn't universal. Good job.

[Anonymous No.14577431]

>>14577422
If your IQ were over 85 you would realize that isn't the quantifier I referred to.
>You're not "stronger" for avoiding a nearly symptom free solution. You're being stupid. And I mean that in the kindest way possible that a medical professional can't tell you. You. Are being. Stupid. You're torturing yourself for no goddamn reason.
This statement is universally quantified over the set of people with ADHD.

[Anonymous No.14577438]

>>14577431
Yeah, if someone is avoiding medication for its own sake, they're being stupid. If you had an IQ over 12 you should understand that sentiment.

[Anonymous No.14577444]

>>14577431
So you done moving the goalpost every single reply as you keep failing at saving face, oooor...?

[Anonymous No.14577472]

>>14577438
Is a patient with ADHD and congestive heart failure avoiding medications which increase blood pressure "for its own sake?" How about a heart attack survivor? Methamphetamine addict in recovery? Parkinson's? Schizotypal personality disorder? Tardive Dyskinesia? There's any number of comorbidities that could make introducing any chem with efficacy in treating ADHD either a Very Bad Idea, or just something that must be done Very Very Carefully. "For its own sake" is an unsupported assumption.

[Anonymous No.14577478]

>>14577472
>Is a patient with ADHD and congestive heart failure avoiding medications which increase blood pressure "for its own sake?"
No, and so obviously a statement about avoiding it for its own sake doesn't apply.

So you done falling all over yourself or...?

[Anonymous No.14577479]

>>14577444
The goalpost is still firmly planted at "the side-effects are significant."

[Anonymous No.14577485]

>>14577478
>you done
Just as soon as you acknowledge that everything you posted after "why?" was premature, acknowledge that you aren't qualified to give medical advice, and voluntarily surrender any professional or paraprofessional medical licenses you may hold, sure.

[Anonymous No.14577489]

>>14577485
Nah. Not doing any of that just because you're a dishonest fuckwit narcissist.

[Anonymous No.14577534]

>>14577489
Poor grasp of logical quantification AND poor theory of mind? I'm sure you'd do well in sales.

[Anonymous No.14577538]

>>14577534
The butthurt is hilarious

[Anonymous No.14577550]

>>14577538
>proponent of psychopharmacology identifies with a once-great man reduced to a husk of his former self via sorcery
interdasting

[Anonymous No.14577564]

>>14577550
By all means, keep embarrassing yourself with more obviously stupid ideas. Don't let me stop you.

[Anonymous No.14577566]

>>14577564
>embarrassing yourself
Lol. Lmao.

[Anonymous No.14577824]

>>14574324
Unironically in fully honesty
Take your meds anon
Denied my ADD for a large portion of my early adulthood. Refused to take ritalin and SSRIs and nearly an heroed
Both have changed my life and made me feel alive now

[Anonymous No.14577879]

mental illness = low IQ
no exceptions

[Anonymous No.14577926]

>>14573631
Adhd is a new fancy way to say lazy. I also procrastinate i have about 5 important things i need to do asap but keep fucking around

[Anonymous No.14578050]

I'm really scared to seek out treatment, as a kid I was diagnosed but never on medication, completely fucked up my education. I'm just nervous about the difficulty of trying to get treatment as an adult and get medication with the cost involved and how annoying it can be when the medications are class 2 drugs or whatever

Somehow managed to not be homeless and the hardest part besides short-term memory issues and the whole attention span thing is just sleep issues

I can't sleep enough for the life of me, I heard its a pretty common issue with ADHD, and I'm getting about 4-5 hours of sleep a night and the constant sleep deprivation for so long has really fucked up almost every aspect of life in some way. That's the worst part to me

[Anonymous No.14578081]

Try this medical keto diet, probably your adhd is caused by some sort of issue with your metabolism, you don't have sustained brain glucose, which your body should make itself from a fatty diet, not from eating sugary stuff which causes spikes and crashes. Also cut out all seed oils as they mess up your body's ability to use fat to sustain your blood sugar and thus you get crashes. Also cut out all grains as they spike your blood sugar with amalopectin A, read Wheat Belly by William Davis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUtwr_6sFw4&t=2104s

[Anonymous No.14578142]

>>14573631
ADHD is addiction to dopamine stimulation. When you become addicted to TV, smartphones, the internet, computer games, fast food you cant slow down and enjoy a walk in the park. Its like eating apples for desert after you experienced chocolate cake, you cant go back

[Anonymous No.14578145]

>>14578050
ok, but how can meds fix this ?

[Anonymous No.14578164]

>>14574439
I've been terminally online since like 14 and I don't have it as bad as OP, although the only social media I use is youtube 4chan and discord with steam

[Anonymous No.14578166]

>>14576463
I find it hard to believe you never forced yourself through a tough situation.

[Anonymous No.14578175]

>>14577879
Well you'll fit right in then.

[Anonymous No.14578186]

>>14573631
There's too much whining in this thread. Blaming every little inconvenience on an allegedly brain based and mystical disorder that hasn't even been proven to exist as such is just convenient. It's also a weak excuse.

At some point it stops being a cope and simply turns into a fetish. Some people are statistically bound to be lazy, inattentive, academically weak, impulsive etc.
Labelling it 'ADHD' doesn't make a statistical fact go away. Especially if that statistical fact is a consequence that must arise and will exist regardless of how much 'ADHD' we treat. If we were to assume that all 'ADHD' was cured, then a new group of statistically lazy and inattentive people will emerge and so on.

Life is not fair. And this push for pseudomarxism by means of often forcible pharmaceutical, neurological, genetical interventions paves the way to an authoritarian hellhole where everything revolves around defeating something that by its very nature never can go away.

[Anonymous No.14578194]

>>14574324
Bro get meds. After a decade of trying to do everything against it except meds, I just tried it for a 2 weeks stay home vacation ... it's so crazy good. For Real. My brain was like a rubberball jumping around in a shizo cell. Courtney focus for more than 15m. Now 1 ½ year on meds. I achieved more than the previous 20 years before combined.

[Anonymous No.14579464]

>>14578175
You're brain doesn't function correctly, you're mentally ill, your mental disfunction results in reduced cognitive ability and lowered IQ and it make you angry when you see this pointed out.

[Anonymous No.14579481]

>>14579464
...Yeah? So you admit ADHD exists and needs treatment then right? Working memory is a core part of IQ measurement and is directly used, along with cognitive testing targeting WM specifically, to verify diagnosis or for academic purposes studying this developmental disorder.

Something you may not be aware of, or others who aren't trolling may not be aware of, is that IQ when WM is adjusted for isn't outside the range of normal. You can have a genius level IQ and the same thing. ADHD is an executive functioning disorder largely based in working memory, so that is hardly surprising.

I've met at least one person who admitted to having a diagnosis of ADHD with an IQ over 160. In his case it was so severe he was completely nonfunctional prior to receiving medication. One of those exceptionally rare "10 / 10 off the charts" cases.

[Anonymous No.14579489]

>>14576989
Spotted the pharma drug addict.

[Anonymous No.14579592]

I told my psychiatrist I was going to go to the therapist for ADD therapy whatever the fuck that is. I'm on some pristiq which does nothing for my attention span. Aside from destroying my phone and going into the office everyday I probably won't get much done. What do therapists actually tell you to do for managing ADD

[Anonymous No.14579667]

>>14579592
I mean that depends a whooooooole lot on the specifics of "you". What you relate having problems with, what you feel are difficulties or what you realize needs to improve. The broad overview tends to be "attention related things", and you'd be shocked just how far-reaching and wide that category is or can be. It covers everything from social domains to remembering just how much you forget, trying to remember important details or figures, that person you met 3 weeks ago but simply couldn't "feel" enough to connect to.

The social domain can be a pretty big one, too, if it presents as self-isolation. Especially if that is the result of people treating you horribly due to how "detached" you are, or depending on the presentation of ADHD. You see? Highly individual specific, so what you could do or note down, or what you'd need or want to work on, that's the whole therapy right there.

Some general guidelines? Well, is your memory bad? Or do you not know? It can be bad without enough awareness to realize it, and on meds you will. Take notes? Organize your life? You can see the sheer madness and plurality of ways individuals go about trying to manage their symptoms, mainly boredom, trying to hyperfocus on things like podcasts or other random things just to get chores done. You really need more specific issues to get anything bit one big "Dude no really it super fucking depends".

[Anonymous No.14579680]

>>14576743
>>14576759
don't you think that at least part of the reason behind their incompetency is because they are somewhere on the spectrum of adhd? it makes sense to separate ability into multiple categories one of which is focus or ability to control focus, the other is working memory and so on. guess what? these can be improved by giving stimulants and while pill popping is not ideal its better than nothing.

[Anonymous No.14579682]

>>14579680
If you're curious there are all kinds of demographic differences like that one I mentioned. The anti-psychiatry is quite strong, and it is insanely ironic how anti-psychiatry racists online don't realize a major reason "muh hwite raec" does better comparatively is willingness to treat psychiatric problems.

Oh, and considerably higher average age of the population but when has the internet ever cared about confounds ha ha ha

[Anonymous No.14579683]

>>14579680
I have no doubts that if you give 20%-30% of any given population access to stimulants society would improve two folds. and thats just one thing, wonder how many things that can be improved by modern medicine or technology today that goes under the radar.

[Anonymous No.14579692]

>>14577926
well turns out lazy is neurological/genetic and sometimes its so bad it fucks you over your whole life unless you force your brain via stimulants

[Anonymous No.14579700]

>>14577032
>The public educational system was a disaster for the human race.

you have to be insane to believe this, yes its a piece of shit system but its better than nothing.

[Anonymous No.14579808]

I'm 34 and I can barely concentrate for 5 minutes, I'm finally going to the doctors and getting something.. anything. Otherwise I'll be stuck in IT support closing 5 minute tickets for the rest of my life.

[Anonymous No.14579820]

>>14579808
Nooo anon you can't do that you have to exclusively listen to a narcissist with an anecdote telling you about imaginary dietary deficiencies and how bad doctors are just stop coping with lack of dopamine magically your brain just magics itself fixed totes real science I swear everything else is conspiracy

In all seriousness, though, I wish you luck. That must have been hell to live through that long.

[Anonymous No.14579863]

>>14579820
Thanks Anon, you learn to deal with it. Write down everything because you forget it in 30 seconds. Stick yourself first in the phone que so you can bounce around jobs to keep going.

[Anonymous No.14579884]

>>14579481
>i'm mentally ill
>i have brain damage
>my brain doesn't work right
>that means i have high iq, at least 160

[Anonymous No.14579952]

>>14579884
>Retarded anon can't read
Yeah not surprised.

[Anonymous No.14580691]

>>14573631
I stopped taking my Vyvanse (40mg) and have since felt like my memory and overall internal monologue has been slapped. My doctor told me to quit cold turkey but I insisted on tapering, ended up going down 10mg per day so I was off it in 4 days. I'm starting to eat and exercise more which I think is helping but I have papers I'm trying to write (not assignments, my own ideas) and I haven't been making progress because I don't think all day like I used to.

[Anonymous No.14580705]

>>14574393
>"mental illness" and "brain damage" are synonymous terms

You're so stupid it hurts.

[Anonymous No.14580713]

>>14580705
An illness of the mind (mental illness) is by definition a result of structural brain damage. It's clear you suffer from brain damage and are coping at the reality that you're brain is fucked.

[Anonymous No.14580732]

>>14580713
You're conflating hardware and software.

[Anonymous No.14580748]

>>14580732
>Has brain damage
>Thinks the brain is a computer
Hilarious. The brain isn't a computer you fucking imbecile.

[Anonymous No.14580758]

>>14573631
you are right, we do live in a society that is ruled by overstimulation. Social media, the internet, and ESPECIALLY fucking internet porn ruin our brains. But even if you do have ADHD, there is a lot you can do without meds to manage it and be the best version of yourself
>reduce screentime (do you NEED social media?)
>QUIT internet porn and junk food
>take a high quality fish oil supplement, "nordic naturals liquid" on amazon helped me a lot, and the highest review there is an ADHD guy saying it helped his. Its on the expensive side but its the only supplement that i have felt ever actually helped me. picrel
>running. Lot of people manage to quit their ADHD meds because running was just as effective in helping with focus and wellbeing.

Work hard Anon. You can do this! It's not over for you. I know how hard it is, I know it's been dark times, but you can fight your way out into the light. I believe in you man.

[Anonymous No.14580766]

>>14580713
>An illness of the mind (mental illness) is by definition a result of structural brain damage.
I'm amazed at the category mistakes and logical fallacies that users of this board regularly make.

1. Mental illness is a term that does not describe a real object because its meaning is socially negotiated. It's akin to terms like width or 3D-space with the exception that you're supposed to think of 'mental illness' = 'undesired behavior' as a bad thing.
2. None of the mental illnesses have ever been satisfactorily linked to any type of brain abnormality.
3. The claim that mental illness is brain damage or something neurological is an elementary category mistake where a behavior is equated with neuronal states which then are equated with the neurons themselves.

Psychiatrists know of these inconsistencies and will manipulate potential customers = patients into thinking that these fallacies don't apply. E.g. depression is just like diabetes.
It's also interesting to note that there are no pills that successfully manage the tons of varieties of cancer, heart disease etc. but there are tons of pills that treat very specific problems of the brain, the most complex organ in the human body?

I've been long of the opinion that the expectation to take pills for alleged mental illnesses has little to do with actually treating anything but is just a ritual that people undergo to prove to others that they are not parasitic drags on the state. The same with therapies.

[Anonymous No.14580771]

>>14580748
It's an analogy you autistic sperg. You probably believe psychiatrists are brain doctors because it makes one of your disabilities feel more 'legitimate' and get welfare for it.

DSM-5-TR and Jung are not science.

[Anonymous No.14580775]

>>14580766
>None of the mental illnesses have ever been satisfactorily linked to any type of brain abnormality.
>What is aphasia
Kys you lying brain damaged troglodyte. Didn't read the rest of your post. If it's as retarded as what I just finished reading, then it's not worth reading the rest.

[Anonymous No.14580777]

>>14580771
Analogy for what? Your playing softball (because you're too faggy for baseball). Batter knocks the ball into the outfield. You run, trying to catch it. What's the hardware and what's the software at play in your brain? You won't be able to give a concrete, coherent answer.

[Anonymous No.14580779]

>>14580777
It's an analogy for mind and body.

You must be great with the ladies and at parties, Jesus man lol

[Anonymous No.14580781]

>>14580779
Give me a definition of the mind without regard to the brain.

[Anonymous No.14580787]

>>14574324
Quit porn first. Porn addiction can cause ADHD like symptoms and absolutely fucks with your prefrontal cortext (responsible for executive function and focus). I legitimately thought I had ADHD, failed multiple classes in high school because of it, but it turns out I was just a porn addict.
>easypeasymethod.org

Watch this if you're interested in le science behind it. Porn addiction is one of the biggest issues of our time and hardly anyone is talking about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSF82AwSDiU

ANONS. QUIT PORN. IT IS HOLDING YOU BACK. YOU CAN DO IT.

[Anonymous No.14580788]

>>14580705
"mental illness" and "brain damage" are synonymous terms, people who have any mental illness are low IQ

[Anonymous No.14580794]

>>14580775
>What is aphasia
As far as I know, the whole 'aphasia is caused by damage to Broca and Wernicke's area' has never been satisfactorily proven either. On the one hand, because patients with aphasia that at one point got brain damage' do not usually have damage to these areas. On the other hand, many cases of aphasia are in people who are from a neurological point of view 'normal'

[Anonymous No.14580799]

>>14580781
The mind is the set of faculties responsible for mental phenomena. The mind is where thoughts, memories and sensory inputs interface with one's awareness.

Mind and brain are not the same thing.

[Anonymous No.14580800]

>>14580794
>the whole 'aphasia is caused by damage to Broca and Wernicke's area' has never been satisfactorily proven either
Stopped reading. You just keep digging and digging dude. I'm increasing convinced that talking out of your ass (low IQ) is a diagnostic symptom of ADHD.

[Anonymous No.14580803]

>>14580799
What faculties? What are memories?

[Anonymous No.14580805]

>>14580771
> You probably believe psychiatrists are brain doctors because it makes one of your disabilities feel more 'legitimate' and get welfare for it.
The majority of disability claims based on mental illness are fraudulent but they still often get on the disability pay roll because the federal government can generate money of that, not unsimilarly to the prison complex.

[Anonymous No.14580807]

>>14577027
>That is why you should medicate them early so their brains adapt to function normally.
This is retarded. Overloading a young brain with dopamine is only going to cause damage long term, other environmental issues should be focused on first before resorting to muh meds which as we all know are heavily overdiagnosed in the US.

[Anonymous No.14580813]

>>14580803
I think I'm done here. I'm not going to spoon feed some disabled troll 'what memories are'.

[Anonymous No.14580814]

>>14580800
I don't have ADHD. I'm not sure why you're bringing that up either. Are you insecure about your own diagnosis. Mad at mommy and daddy?

[Anonymous No.14580823]

>>14580813
I accept your concession.
>>14580814
Of course you don't sweaty. You're just going awfully out of your way to defend how brain damaged ADHD kids aren't low IQ.

[Anonymous No.14580825]

>>14580813
In his defense, you did not provide sufficient evidence to win that whole mind vs. body battle. If you did, you would have solved a 400 year old philosophical problem. His position is technically just as valid as yours.

[Anonymous No.14580837]

>>14580823
>.You're just going awfully out of your way to defend how brain damaged ADHD kids aren't low IQ.
Again, the burden of proof that ADHD or mental illness is specifically caused by brain damage rests on you. I only point out that in nearly all ADHD cases, you don't find structural abnormalities and that those structural abnormalities which are associated with ADHD and nearly always tons of other stuff don't always give rise to ADHD. Your obsession with that topic could easily count as a mental illness. Do you now have brain damage? And if you stop having any mental illness, do you also stop having brain damage?

[Anonymous No.14580840]

i've been to 5 psychiatrists in the past 15 years and ended up self diagnosing and confirming by a psychiatrist
> 5 suicide attempts
> life of underachievement
> not doing the things i want to do
stimulant meds are the best thing that has happened to me in my life
if you have adhd, they work
if you're in doubt, at least try them
>t. ceo of pfizer

[Anonymous No.14580841]

>>14580837
>in nearly all ADHD cases, you don't find structural abnormalities
>those structural abnormalities which are associated with ADHD
Amazing. You contradicted yourself in the same sentence. Wtg dumbass

[Anonymous No.14580848]

>>14580841
>Amazing. You contradicted yourself in the same sentence
I didn't. You're mistaking a 'some few have' with an 'all have' statement. At that point, it's clear that you're just a lonely troll who annoys people because everyone you know avoids you because of your behavior.

[Anonymous No.14580856]

>>14580848
Cute projection. Tell me more about how you're on meds for your brain damage.

[Anonymous No.14580867]

>>14580856
Wait I'm sorry that was insensitive. Let me rephrase. Tell me about how you're on meds for your totally fine functioning brain to treat your mental illness. Oh, can you tell me how your meds work exactly?

[Anonymous No.14580869]

>>14580825
You guys need to go inform the psychiatrists that they're actually brain doctors all along. I'm sure the medical community would be thrilled.

[Anonymous No.14580879]

>>14580869
>psychiatrists aren't part of the medical community
Imagine being that retarded. Kys

[Anonymous No.14580883]

>>14580869
>You guys need to go inform the psychiatrists that they're actually brain doctors all along. I'm sure the medical community would be thrilled.
I don't think you're up to date, are you?
Because most psychiatrists think of themselves as neuropsychiatrists, so they're pretty much into the whole mental illness equates brain problems thing. And your social worker and therapist are not psychiatrists, just to avoid a rebuttal.

[Anonymous No.14580900]

>>14580879
Settle down & learn to read.

>>14580883
I'm sure they think very highly of themselves but DSM-5-TR is literally just voted on what is or is not a mental illness. It's just a fancy personality tests and magic elixirs for uppity bad workers & students.

[Anonymous No.14580908]

>>14580837
People with ADHD do have deficiencies and often times less gray matter in their prefrontal cortex

porn usage does the same thing too btw
>yourbrainonporn.com

[Anonymous No.14580911]

>>14577131
you have diagnosed brain disfunction and low iq as a result of your condition, seeing that pointed out upsets you.
mental illness = brain damage = low iq
no exceptions

[Anonymous No.14580918]

>>14574393
Non mental illness types stick to the hand railings of culture, institutions (education) and society. They play it safe. They get somewhere in life and activities yes, but they owe this in large parts to others and not themselves.

High IQ = Boot lickers.

[Anonymous No.14580925]

>>14580900
> DSM-5-TR is literally just voted on what is or is not a mental illness.
I'm not disagreeing here but it's not a really strong argument either. Every medical issue is something that is just voted on. Where to draw the line between cancer and tissue overgrowth? Are warts a form of cancer? The line between diabetes and pre-diabetes, or pre-diabetes and no diabetes? Medical committees do that by voting. Obviously, at least you've got some kind of hard data there.
There's no hard biological data for mental illness, yet a social fact is still a fact.

[Anonymous No.14580927]

>>14580911
Atomic bomb was created by a schizophrenic, Oppenheimer.

[Anonymous No.14580934]

>>14580925
>There's no hard biological data for mental illness, yet a social fact is still a fact.

And there it is.

Let's get Elon to have all the autistic spergs to march on these conferences to get the votes changed like they did with homosexuality and transsexuals.

[Anonymous No.14580947]

>>14580925
the DMS says that gender dysphoria isnt a mental illness btw

[Anonymous No.14580961]

>>14580947
Psychiatry is just the QA of human personalities, whom ever is in power decides what kind of human personalities they want turned out and the ones they can't change they throw Soma at.

It's a pretty sick system, and the worse part is humans get attached to it because they make those labels apart of their identity and story, when it's just a bunch of fat angry dykes voting on who they don't like.

[Anonymous No.14580994]

>>14580911
Alan Turning was considered mentally ill for being homosexual. The drugs they forced him on killed him.

Elon Musk is considered ASD.

Jung himself suffered a lot with dissociative disorders, some say he abused drugs.

Most geniuses suffer from bi-polar, manias and depressions. It's why genius leaders are so rare and have a hard time in married life. They're more or less, domesticated madmen.

[Anonymous No.14581049]

>>14580994
>muh historical revisionism is how i cope with my low iq and brain damage
incredibly common phenomenon observed regularly amongst your type.

[Anonymous No.14581089]

>>14580994
You're no different from the trannies trying to say George Washington was gender fluid. It's giga tier coping

[Anonymous No.14581109]

>>14581049
>>14581089
What did I say that was false?

[Anonymous No.14581116]

>>14581109
>Considered
>Considered
>Some say
Kys

[Anonymous No.14581135]

>>14581116
Are you saying Elon doesn't have autism spectrum disorder?
Alan Turning's history and homosexual rights is well established.
Jung's use of psychedelics during the writing of the Red Book is a small footnote. s a small footnote.

You're grasping at straws and just come off as unread.

[Anonymous No.14582372]

>>14581135
I'm saying you have brain damage.

[Anonymous No.14582453]

>>14580911
HA, ok retard.

[Anonymous No.14582470]

>>14582372
it is paradoxically impossible to convince a brain damaged individual that it has brain damage if the brain damage causes grandiose delusions of intellectual superiority.
given that delusions of this type are an exceptionally common coping mechanism, one tends to run into this paradox with unusual frequency.

[Anonymous No.14583645]

>>14582453
>doctors say my brain doesn't work right
>that means i have high iq
by that logic ur iq will get even bigger if u get a lobotomy