/trans/ - transhumanism general

[Anonymous No.14544600]

Discuss the future of humanity.

[Anonymous No.14544603]

FEMBOY BREEDING PENS
REAL MEN FOREVER AND ALWAYS EXTINCT
BOYPUSSY FOREVER
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[Anonymous No.14544608]

[Anonymous No.14544672]

>>14544600

Humans are addicted to materialism. We like entertainment, food, intoxicants, sex, hoarding resources, and good health. Healthy body and mind should be the priority yet everyone treats the others as more important in destruction if they're body or minds. So ya, like the first guy said free bussy for you

[Anonymous No.14544683]

>>14544672
healthy body and mind means nothing. The future is technologically based immortality, exercising and self restraint mean nothing. SENS will be the end of human aging and these high concepts of "healthy minds" wont be involved.

[Anonymous No.14544693]

>>14544683

Awesome, I see the basis for ignoring the need for healthy bodies. But you definitely did not address healthy minds.

The quality of a person's mind affects their thoughts and perception. In turn, altering their affect on the world in how they interact with loved ones, the natural environment, and creative processes.

Additionally, exercise and diet has a fundamental impact on our mood and our will power.

Healthy minds and body is not for living longer. It's for a more acute experience.

[Anonymous No.14544715]

I absolutely welcome transhumanism and eventual digital immortality as long as my limbs aren't DRM locked and always online.

[Anonymous No.14544751]

>>14544715
>digital immortality
>digital
Copy is just a copy. The same way you could immortalize yourself by writing a book.
Immortality should be biological.

[Anonymous No.14544901]

>>14544600
There's a good chance that dysgenics will prevent transhumanism from happening during this millennium.

https://www.unz.com/akarlin/short-history-of-3rd-millennium/

>(1) (a) Direct Technosingularity - 25%, if Kurzweil/MIRI/DeepMind are correct, with a probability peak around 2045, and most likely to be implemented via neural networks (Lin & Tegmark, 2016).

>(2) The Age of Em - <1%, since we cannot obtain functional models even of 40 year old microchips from scanning them, to say nothing of biological organisms (Jonas & Kording, 2016)

>(3) (a) Biosingularity to Technosingularity - 50%, since the genomics revolution is just getting started and governments are unlikely to either want to, let alone be successful at, rigorously suppressing it. And if AGI is harder than the optimists say, and will take considerably longer than mid-century to develop, then it's a safe bet that IQ-augmented humans will come to play a critical role in eventually developing it. I would put the probability peak for a technosingularity from a biosingularity at around 2100.

>(3) (b) Direct Biosingularity - 5%, if we decide that proceeding with AGI is too risky, or that consciousness both has cardinal inherent value and is only possible with a biological substrate.

>(4) Eschaton - 10%, of which: (a) Philosophical existential risks - 5%; (b) Malevolent AGI - 1%; (c) Other existential risks, primarily technological ones: 4%.

>(5) The Age of Malthusian Industrialism - 10%, with about even odds on whether we manage to launch the technosingularity the second time round.

[Anonymous No.14544933]

>>14544683
> SENS will be the end of human aging

unfortunately, they've assured this will never pass. what? you thought the allegations were intended to target aubrey? my sweet summer child....look outside the west.

[Anonymous No.14544942]

>>14544901
>dysgenics will prevent transhumanism from happening during this millennium.

good thing majority rules isnt a requirement

[Anonymous No.14544967]

>>14544901
>Even so, we would still remain “bounded” by human biology. For instance, womb size and metabolic load are a crimper on brain size
This is a stupid idea. Over the past 6k years the human brain has been shrinking, we've lost like a tennis ball's worth of cranial capacity. Realistically I'd put the biosingularity as 100% happening and itll happen with CRISPR too, we'll just naturally evolve. The larger the population size, the faster evolution happens. What might take 300 years for a population size of 10k to evolve will only take 100 for a population of 100 mil.

[Anonymous No.14544976]

>>14544751
I hope in the future we find out what exactly consciousness is and how to transfer it. I don't want kids. Besides, legacy and immortality are different things.

[Anonymous No.14544996]

>>14544901
nothing's gonna stop progress. The worst case scenario is that the western world gets pissy about "muh ethics" while adverseries like China, Iran doesn't and ends up gaining a huge advantage.
In literally all of human history, the group trying to hold back technological progress is the one who loses out and gets left in the dust.

[Anonymous No.14544998]

>>14544901

>dysgenics will prevent transhumanism from happening during this millennium.

good thing majority rules isnt a requirement

>>1454996
>this

[Anonymous No.14545067]

>>14544976
>what exactly consciousness is and how to transfer it
Consciousness is the product of the work of nervous system. You don't transfer it, you can only make a copy of it.
Legacy and kids both used to be the surrogate of immortality. Your "digital immortality" is just a copy of your brains and thus belongs to the legacy department.

[Anonymous No.14545078]

>>14545067
source????
It would seems if all your brains memories, perhaps the entire brain was trasnplated to a digital system, you could transfer consciousness. I have never heard of the nervous system referred to as consciousness.

[Anonymous No.14545084]

>>14544600
How is troonhumanism related to math or science? Everyone knows nothing scientific will be posted in this shitty marketing thread.

[Anonymous No.14545086]

>>14544901
>There's a good chance that dysgenics will prevent transhumanism from happening during this millennium.
That's a funny prediction considering that everyone who promotes transhumanism is dysgenic in every aspect.

[Anonymous No.14545087]

>>14544996
>In literally all of human history, the group trying to hold back technological progress is the one who loses out and gets left in the dust.

[Anonymous No.14545091]

>>14544672
>Humans are addicted to materialism
Dysgenic human cattle is addicted to "materialism".

[Anonymous No.14545092]

>>14544600
>>14544603
>>14544683
>>14544693
>>14544715
>>14544751
>>14544901
Demons, enemies of humanity.

>>14544901
>Promoting transhumanism and not realizing the irony of accusing others of being dysgenic
Lel

[Anonymous No.14545093]

>>14544901
Why does almost every nation thing that making genetically engineered super intelligent children is "misusing technology"?

[Anonymous No.14545096]

>>14545093
Probably because everyone except for dysgenics like you understands the difference between marketing ("genetically engineered super intelligent children") and reality (genetically engineered super cattle).

[Anonymous No.14545100]

>>14545093
It's called morality, a lot of people understand that human beings are human beings not products to be manipulated and engineered.

[Anonymous No.14545116]

>>14545100
>there heckin' reel human beans!! not products!! muh morality
Compulsory moral bioenhancement VILL be covert, chud.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30157295/#:~:text=In%20particular%2C%20a%20covert%20compulsory,an%20overt%20moral%20bioenhancement%20program.

[Anonymous No.14545122]

>>14545116
This person ought to be under criminal investigation for inciting harm, in this case poisoning which he claims would lead to mental decline, against other humans.

[Anonymous No.14545127]

>>14545122
What are you talking about, chud? We're just going to sneak in some bonus modifications for your children's goodening procedure that vill make them into good goyim cattle. :^)

[Anonymous No.14545131]

>>14545096
>>14545100
You sound like nigger cattle, enjoy your slave mortality.

[Anonymous No.14545135]

>>14545131
You sound like an aggressive money in dire need of covert moral bioenhancement. We can't have 300 IQ aggressive monkeys roaming around the cattle pen. :^)

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30157295/#:~:text=In%20particular%2C%20a%20covert%20compulsory,an%20overt%20moral%20bioenhancement%20program.

[Anonymous No.14545136]

>>14545127
It is almost unbelievable that the idiots who promote transhumanism on this board actually think that it would be done to benefit the entire population.

Anyway they won't do this the same reason the lockdowns come to an end. God is on our side and He will protect us from evil.

[Anonymous No.14545137]

>>14545078
Brain is the nervous system, a part of it. Some ganglias are all over your body, I read that nervous system of your guts have some essential functions for the sleep cycles.

[Anonymous No.14545138]

>>14545092
>enemies of humanity
no, kike (or their golem), you are.

[Anonymous No.14545139]

>>14545131
>Wanting the elite to control your own genetics
>Calling others cattle
You're just repeating buzzwords now

[Anonymous No.14545141]

>>14545138
Why?

[Anonymous No.14545143]

>>14545136
Don't be silly, chud. Of course it will be for the benefit of humanity. We will make it impossible for you, on a genetic level, to be unhappy with our system, in addition to morally enchancing you to be a good goyim cattle. You're just a bag of chemicals, and we will correct you to be a happy bag of chemicals. Real utopia is in the mind.

[Anonymous No.14545149]

>>14545122
Are you an anti-vaxxer?

[Anonymous No.14545152]

>>14545149
How many jabs so far?

[Anonymous No.14545154]

>>14545139
K bro, control your own genetics. Imma go have a 300 IQ Aryan superhuman.
>>14545135
You sound unhinged.

[Anonymous No.14545155]

>>14545154
>You sound unhinged.
What's wrong? You don't like what real, non-pop-soi transhumanists have in mind for humanity?

[Anonymous No.14545156]

>>14545152
Got my 5th booster last month. Already have an appointment for my 6th next month. Gotta protect myself against the unvaxxed selfishly spreading this virus.

[Anonymous No.14545158]

>>14545155
I just don't see how "cover (((bioenhancements)))", have anything to do with overt bioenhancement. You're basically saying that "product tampering is bad", which I'd agree with.

[Anonymous No.14545160]

>>14545149
I am a vaccine questioner and a "covid" "vaccine" refuser.

>>14545154
So you're not aryan, and you desire to be. That concludes that transhumanists are dysgenic (I'm not actually racist, but you clearly consider yourself inferior).

[Anonymous No.14545163]

>>14545160
>That concludes that transhumanists are dysgenic
???

[Anonymous No.14545165]

>>14545163
You desire to be aryan, therefore you consider yourself inferior thus dysgenic. You're so stupid you need this explained to you.

[Anonymous No.14545167]

>>14545165
Total non sequitur, people like you shouldn't be allowed to reproduce. How I wish for Eugenics.

[Anonymous No.14545168]

>>14545158
>I just don't see how "cover (((bioenhancements)))", have anything to do with overt bioenhancement
Uh huh, no connection there at all. It's not like covert (((bioenhancement))) needs something to piggyback on top of, and it's not like useful dysgenic mongoloids like you are doing everything they can to provide that something. :^)

[Anonymous No.14545169]

>>14545167
>Total non sequitur

Can you explain why that isn't the case?

[Anonymous No.14545177]

>>14545169
>I think that we should use genetic engineering to create superhumans
>Ah So YoUr DySgEnIc
Your statement doesn't follow from anything.
>>14545168
Okay, I see what you're saying. But I don't really buy into it.

[Anonymous No.14545181]

>>14545177
It does. You obviously consider yourself needing fixing. I don't, I'm completely okay.

>>Ah So YoUr DySgEnIc
Go back

[Anonymous No.14545184]

>>14545181
>needing fixing
Bro, come one it's like you're not even trying. Improvement and "fixing" are not the same thing. You might be legitimately retarded.

[Anonymous No.14545188]

>>14545184
I don't need improvement. You obviously believe that you do.

[Anonymous No.14545190]

>>14545177
>I don't really buy into it.
You don't matter. Your sci-fi idols don't matter. The Ray Kurzweils of the world don't set the agenda, they just sell you a fantasy. You can find taped sessions from various international think tanks with DARPA spooks and bioethics professors and biological warfare experts other psychopaths telling you exactly what they have in mind, and it goes without saying that they don't have any plans whatsoever to create a population of ungovernable 300 IQ superhumans.

[Anonymous No.14545196]

>>14545087
is this bait???

[Anonymous No.14545198]

>>14545188
lol, okay dude.
>You obviously believe that you do.
Yeah... its the reason I do things like "read" and "hit the gym". You know what you remind me of? One of those fat activists, you know the type "I'm not morbidly obese, it's your scales that are the problem". Don't be like those people my man.

[Anonymous No.14545199]

>>14545198
You are a lot closer in mentality to those morbidly obese degenerates than he is.

[Anonymous No.14545201]

>>14545196
Uneducated zealous rednecks won against the might of the united states army, and this will be the case elsewhere.

>>14545198
Except my template is fine. You're saying that your template isn't good enough. You're making a false comparison.

[Anonymous No.14545204]

>>14545199
Sure, sure. I'm closer than the guy that thinks "I don't need improvement". Whatever you say bro lol.
>>14545201
>isn't good enough.
Again no, I'm saying it could be better. Yours could be too.

[Anonymous No.14545206]

>>14545137
perhaps I should have worded it better. Why wouldn't be able to perfectly transplant the particular setting of neurons that form our memories? And little by little replace it with something digital? That seems like consciousness transfer to me.

[Anonymous No.14545208]

>>14545204
>Yours could be too.
Nope. I'm very okay with how I am. I have no problems in life relating to my intelligence, physical ability, attractiveness. You aren't.

[Anonymous No.14545209]

>>14545204
>I'm closer than the guy that thinks "I don't need improvement"
Looks to me like he's saying he doesn't need your kind of "improvement". You're just the morbidly obese degen waiting for the magic techpill to dissolve all of that fat and turn you into the Chad you were never meant to be.

[Anonymous No.14545213]

>>14545208
>You aren't.
Wrong. I too am fine, but being "fine" doesn't mean that you can't be better. And that's my point. You can always be better, the idea that you "don't need improvement" is retarded.

[Anonymous No.14545214]

>>14545213
You will never be "better". You will die even more of a degenerate than you were born.

[Anonymous No.14545216]

Anons, don't bother arguing with these /pol/tards. They need to go back to /chug/. Stop taking their baits.

[Anonymous No.14545217]

>>14545213
You're not fine, and that's made quite obvious with the extreme lengths you're willing to go to fix yourself.

[Anonymous No.14545221]

>>14545216
>exposes himself as a current thinger who came here through the reddit->/pol/ pipeline
>immediately tries to establish the reddit group consensus by appealing to some unspecified audience of kind strangers

[Anonymous No.14545223]

>>14545217
>yourself
Do you consider going to the gym and reading "extreme lengths"? Unless your talking about improving the genetic stock of humanity, in which case it's not me that I'm improving, it's the next generation.
>>14545214
Whatever faggot.

[Anonymous No.14545225]

>>14545223
Post a photo of your dysgenic face. Protip: you won't. :^)

[Anonymous No.14545229]

>>14545223
>Unless your talking about improving the genetic stock of humanity,
Yes, through eugenics with people of good stock. Not people who run to genetically modifying themselves to keep up.

>I'm improving, it's the next generation.
You will never have your desired chad modification.

[Anonymous No.14545230]

>>14545141
Because religion is their trick. They also laugh into your faces with every mean. Like, check out the spelling: beLIEve.

[Anonymous No.14545233]

>>14545229
>Yes, through eugenics with people of good stock
Eugenics is very limited. You can only be as good as the best current stock.
>to keep up.
Keep up? lol, lmao even. Bro, it's about accelerating.

[Anonymous No.14545234]

>>14545233
Post a photo of your dysgenic face. Profile. Just the lower half. Protip: you won't because you're an incel.

[Anonymous No.14545235]

>>14545206
Why would you want to be taken out by a sun storm? Carbon is much more advanced technology than silicon.

[Anonymous No.14545237]

>>14545234
>No arguments
lol

[Anonymous No.14545238]

>>14545230
Can you explain how my religion is tricking me?

>>14545233
>You can only be as good as the best current stock.
If a smart person has kids with another smart person, then the kids will have intelligence comparable, but varied, one of the kids might be smarter than the parents, one stupider. The smarter is eugenic.

>Keep up?
Yes, why else do you need it? I don't, I can function fine.

[Anonymous No.14545240]

>>14545237
I did make an argument:
>>14545135
>>14545168
>>14545190
As you can see, it still stands unchallenged.

[Anonymous No.14545246]

>>14545240
>unchallenged
Sure, I can't argue against it. No one can. You can't argue against conspiracy theories.

[Anonymous No.14545247]

>>14545238
>Can you explain how my religion is tricking me?
It makes you belief jewish bs instead of doing your best to understand this world for what it is.

[Anonymous No.14545249]

>>14545246
>Sure, I can't argue against it. No one can
I accept your direct and full concession.

[Anonymous No.14545253]

>>14545249
Yeah sure.

[Anonymous No.14545254]

>>14545246
How is that quite clearly stated agenda in ncbi article a conspiracy theory?

>>14545247
In everything I discover I find the Word of God. Jesus loves all of us and encourages us to learn beyond the dogmatics.

[Anonymous No.14545255]

>>14545253
Call me back when you're willing to have a factual and civilized discussion, monkey.

[Anonymous No.14545260]

>>14545254
>In everything I discover I find the Word of God. Jesus loves all of us and encourages us to learn beyond the dogmatics.
I tried believing once. The closest I came to getting insane. You surely can see the hand of god everywhere if you accept that there's god and tend to think deep enough. But then those are random events you rationalize to be the will of God. Pareidolia is what you discover.

[Anonymous No.14545265]

>>14545254
>How is that quite clearly stated agenda in ncbi article a conspiracy theory?
Because that's a single philosophers opinion. But you've taken that single philosophers opinion and then built an elaborate conspiracy that any optional genetic modification is going to include a whole host of additional, unwanted, modifications. Shit you can find philosophers with the exact opposite opinion, linked at the bottom of the same article
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30989673/

And THAT is why its a conspiracy.

>>14545255
Will do man, hmu when you can compose an argument that doesn't rely on a massive, unsubstantiated conspiracy.

[Anonymous No.14545267]

>>14545235
Yeah, that's actually the one thing I'm worried about. I hope they invent some really hardened material impervious to cosmic rays and CMEs

[Anonymous No.14545270]

>>14545265
>massive, unsubstantiated conspiracy.
So your response is to brand yourself as an unthinking subhuman fresh off of reddit. Okay. I accept your full concession, and it's very convenient for my point: troonhumanism is marketed towards ther lowest cattle.

[Anonymous No.14545271]

Zelensky lost.

[Anonymous No.14545272]

>>14545270
lol. Okay my man, have a nice day.

[Anonymous No.14545276]

>Okay my man
Called it, didn't I?

[Anonymous No.14545277]

>>14545260
Everything is the Will of God.

I don't understand why you are hostile towards religion, it only controls you the same way scientifical papers controls pop-sci enthusiasts.

>>14545265
>an elaborate conspiracy that any optional genetic modification is going to include a whole host of additional, unwanted, modifications.
Why are you so stupid to deny this?

[Anonymous No.14545282]

>>14545276
Why are you so angry bro?

[Anonymous No.14545290]

>yikes, my dude

[Anonymous No.14545294]

>>14545277
>Why are you so stupid to deny this?
>No arguments
I'm not surprised.

[Anonymous No.14545298]

>>14545294
>The great Experts of Science are always to look out for everyone's health and can never have any other interests.
Can't argue with an idiot

[Anonymous No.14545302]

>>14545298
>Muh conspiracy
lol.

[Anonymous No.14545309]

Ukraine will be denazified. NATO lost.

[Anonymous No.14545310]

>>14545302
>Thinking that soientists can never do wrong
Lol

>>14545309
One troop of evil to another. Which is preferable? Doesn't matter.

[Anonymous No.14545314]

>>14545310
Putin is preferable because he is a strong leader willing to invest in transhumanism.

[Anonymous No.14545329]

>>14545277
>Everything is the Will of God.
Then so is my atheism. Which is kind of a bold statement, because it was my will. God is in me, I am God. Do you see how crazy this can get?
>I don't understand why you are hostile towards religion, it only controls you the same way scientifical papers controls pop-sci enthusiasts.
I'm not even sure I would agree that those papers control them good or that they should. Instead I will just address this shitty comparison and notice that no scientific paper ever told pop-sci enthusiasts to kill infidels or to destroy their groves to pull the curse of the desert upon the rest of the world, as if semites didn't fuck up their own land bad enough.

[Anonymous No.14545334]

>>14544600
Unironicly everyone becomes a deviant art oc in VR. The future of humanity is cringe beyond human comprehension.

[Anonymous No.14545337]

>>14545329
>God is in me, I am God.
LOL. Typical troonhumanist narcissism. The sad thing is that this tard doesn't realize his megalomania didn't go away when he rejected religion.

[Anonymous No.14545339]

>>14545329
You're not God, but God wills that you do what you do.

You're missing the point entirely. It controls you if you're a retard and you'd be controlled by something else.

[Anonymous No.14545342]

>>14545329
>no scientific paper ever told pop-sci enthusiasts to kill infidels or to destroy their groves to pull the curse of the desert upon the rest of the world, as if semites didn't fuck up their own land bad enough.
I'm not sure if a scientific paper did, but your degenerate culture is murdering droves of people as we speak in the name of your inhuman ideals.

[Anonymous No.14545356]

>>14545337
Can you point out a flaw in that logic?
If everything is the will of god, then I can kill you and rape your children for the will of god. John Crystosom said exactly that, the murder to the will of god is better than any human-loving. But you believers don't know your own fucking books, or you would not be proud of your disease you call faith.

[Anonymous No.14545360]

>>14545339
>It controls you if you're a retard and you'd be controlled by something else.
Does he control me when I'm a retard? Is it a necessary condition to believe?
Or would I be controlled by something else if I'm a retard? But I think you said that EVERYTHING is the will of god, so what else is there?

[Anonymous No.14545361]

>>14545356
I'm not a believer, and there is nothing wrong with that logic, nor does it prove that there is anything wrong with his beliefs. I'm just pointing out that your megalomania and narcissism are alive as well, and more dangerous than ever now that they're not kept in check by religion.

[Anonymous No.14545363]

>>14545342
>your inhuman ideals
My inhuman ideals? What ideals are those?

[Anonymous No.14545368]

>>14545363
The ideals of the perverse, inhuman modenity, whose worst excesses you are shilling ITT. Your belief system has destroyed more human lives in just the last century than all other belief systems have destroyed in all of human history combined.

[Anonymous No.14545371]

>>14545361
Chill out, I don't believe that I am god. I just demonstrated that this delusion would directly follow from his claim. There's a joke about it:
A psychiatrists talks to a patient:
- When was the first time you thought that you were god?
- Well, I was praying, and suddenly I realized that I talked to myself.

[Anonymous No.14545375]

>>14545368
And yet somehow we live in the most peaceful times, faggot.

[Anonymous No.14545376]

>>14545371
>I just demonstrated that this delusion would directly follow from his claim.
No, it just gives us a glimpse into your own damage psyche. It doesn't follow from his claim that such beliefs are valid, only that some people being deranged narcissists isn't contrary to God's will.

[Anonymous No.14545379]

>future of humanity relies on massive advances in neuroscience
>neuroscience barely has any interest or funding
everyone wants to be a spacefag or medfag

[Anonymous No.14545380]

>>14545375
>t.
The ideals of the perverse, inhuman modenity, whose worst excesses you are shilling ITT. Your belief system has destroyed more human lives in just the last century than all other belief systems have destroyed in all of human history combined.

[Anonymous No.14545381]

>>14545360
Everything is the Will of God, it's not comprehensible.

[Anonymous No.14545386]

Let's celebrate this recent progress in transhumanism.

[Anonymous No.14545391]

>>14545375
>the most peaceful times
We are literally in WW3 now.

[Anonymous No.14545396]

>>14545391
Why did you acknowledge his shart? You newfags really need to undergo a course on how to handle vacuous pilpul.

[Anonymous No.14545404]

>>14545376
>No, it just gives us a glimpse into your own damage psyche.
Sometimes I forget that I talk to cretins (that's christian in french)
You still have to try to demonstrate a flaw in that logic. Though I don't insist, knowing it's beyond your abilities. You could say that being a part of god (for everything is god) I am not THE god, as my cell is not me. But technically it is. In a sense. And because god is indivisable (this is an additional condition i took from your dogmas) I am him as in being made in his image.
It could be a noble system of beliefs (be worthy of that high status, sky is the limit, pull up all you can so you will be met as an equal, not as a disappointment) if you were not such retarded pedophiles or whatever is your thing you try to hide with false piety..

[Anonymous No.14545405]

>>14545391
And the faggot who started it is religious to the core. What a fucking coincidence.

[Anonymous No.14545410]

>>14545404
>You still have to try to demonstrate a flaw in that logic
What logic? That God doesn't strike you down with his lightning bolt for being a degen, therefore you are God?

>You could say that being a part of god (for everything is god) I am not THE god, as my cell is not me
A shit-filled colon is a part of you. therefore you are a shit-filled colon.

[Anonymous No.14545411]

>>14545405
Keep your antisemitism in /pol/.

[Anonymous No.14545414]

>>14545410
>God doesn't strike you down with his lightning bolt for being a degen, therefore you are God?
Did I say that? Can you not read? Sure you cannot, otherwise you would read your bible and shut the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.14545416]

>>14545414
>Did I say that?
Pretty much. Then you backpedalled and started to argue that a shit-filled colon is a part of you, therefore you are a shit-filled colon.

[Anonymous No.14545417]

>>14545411
Nope. The most religious faggots are the most genocidal as well. Fuck your disease.

[Anonymous No.14545420]

>>14545416
Some basic logical fallacies you still make.
Every herring is fish, not every fish is herring.

[Anonymous No.14545422]

>>14545420
>god is a part of me, therefore i am god
>X is a part of me, therefore i am X
>a shit-filled colon is a part of me, therefire i am a shit-filled colon
This will be your logic lesson for today, 90-IQ mouth breather.

[Anonymous No.14545423]

>>14545422
> god is a part of me
Did you make it intentionally? It was the other way around.

[Anonymous No.14545425]

>>14545423
>it was the other way around
Why are you lying?

>>14545329
>God is in me, I am God.

[Anonymous No.14545432]

>>14545425
>God is in me
My bad. I'm not that used to imagining myself a crazy.
>I am in god
would be more christian point of view, and that would follow from your "Everything is the Will of God" but I also applied some "God is Everything" I saw just yesterday, which I think you also didn't say.
So am I Will of God? Is every action of mine, no matter how atrocious, his will?

[Anonymous No.14545438]

>>14545432
No Christian considers himself to be God. Like I said, you are projecting your damaged, megalomaniacal psyche on a worldview that emphasizes humbleness. You see relfections of your own megalomania in the most unlikely places and still don't get the message. It's really funny.

>So am I Will of God?
In the indirect sense that you are a sad inevitability in this universe.

>Is every action of mine, no matter how atrocious, his will?
It's your will, but it was His will that it be possible for people like you to exist and exercise their will.

[Anonymous No.14545440]

>>14545438
>No Christian considers himself to be God.
some doubts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0-ustkfE9w
>it was His will that it be possible for people like you to exist
Good.

[Anonymous No.14545442]

>>14545440
>some doubts
Your doubts are your megalomaniacal projection.

[Anonymous No.14545446]

>>14545442
nope, they're many examples of christians gone off the rails

[Anonymous No.14545451]

>>14545446
Every secular society is a broad example of how atheism drives people off the rail, so I'm not sure what your mentally ill point is all about.

[Anonymous No.14545466]

>>14545451
Look at this spiritual society! What an oasis of sanity!
Imagine preferring those stone-tossing apes to that "slut".

[Anonymous No.14545470]

>>14545466
Don't know what your schizophrenic rambling is about but all of my points still stand. You just keep losing and trying to deflect. lol

[Anonymous No.14545472]

>>14545470
>Don't know
You obviously don't know much.

[Anonymous No.14545475]

>>14545472
You posted a picture of brown people doing brown people things. Just imagine how they would act without religion to keep them in line. Actually, you don't have to imagine. You can read about the Arabic peninsula pre-Islam, or simply observe how primitive African tribes treat people. Anyway, brown people issue.

[Anonymous No.14545480]

>>14545470
Atheists are the reason degenerate cultures are protected and allowed to exist. This is completely unnatural.

[Anonymous No.14545482]

>>14545475
What about those witch burnings? Do you consider that tradition some made-up atheist fantasy or do you somehow consider burning more humane than stoning?
Also stoning is directly ordered in both Quran and the Bible you probably never read too.

[Anonymous No.14545485]

>>14545480
>degenerate cultures
Such as bacha-bazi and women unable to walk alone not to be raped to death? Yeah, if not those atheists you'd surely show them

[Anonymous No.14545486]

>>14545482
>What about those witch burnings?
Mostly atheist fiction and irrelevant in any case.

>Also stoning is directly ordered in both Quran and the Bible you probably never read too.
Yes, which ironically represents a moderation in the behavior of previously godless, savage tribes. Anyway, you can keep deflecting but the point still stands: every secular society is a broad example of how atheism drives people off the rail, so I'm not sure what your mentally ill point is all about.

[Anonymous No.14545504]

>>14545486
>every secular society is a broad example of how atheism drives people off the rail
Not as much as those deranged societies consumed by some jewish mind-virus.
Imagine praying five times a day: not a single theoretical scientist could do anything if he had to be distracted every few hours. But this you will never understand.

[Anonymous No.14545506]

>>14545504
Every secular society is a broad example of how atheism drives people off the rail, so I'm not sure what your mentally ill point is all about. :^)

[Anonymous No.14545516]

>>14545506
>:^)
I see what you did there

[Anonymous No.14545520]

>>14545504
Your arguments so far:
>religion is bad because it makes savage browns less behave less savagely
>religion is bad because it makes totalitarian regimes prosecute people under religious pretexts instead of secular ones
>religion is bad because muslim scientists have to pray 5 times a day and have no time to do science

[Anonymous No.14545522]

>>14545485
I can tell you right now that may as well be nothing compared to the incredible horror of tens of millions of people being killed in the name of the atheistic cultures of communist Russia and China, the most degenerate and evil societies to ever exist, and also some of the only atheistic ones. Liberal ideas (equality, not having slaves, ect.) are directly downstream of Christian thought.

[Anonymous No.14545523]

>>14545520
What about white societies you want to make less secular? Was it all great before priests were substituted with doctors?

[Anonymous No.14545527]

>>14545516
>religion is bad because kikes abuse children
>we have to tolerate this because we're so secular and progressive and diverse, though
>also let's import more baby dick choppers from a broad because that's so bad and we don't condone this in our secular society
>by the way, giving hormone blockers to 7 years old "trans girls" is the science(tm) way
Any other brilliant arguments

[Anonymous No.14545529]

>>14545522
>atheistic cultures of communist
Communism is just another (((abrahamic))) religion, imposed upon those who dared to reject the previous one.

[Anonymous No.14545531]

>>14545523
No one substituted priests with doctors. Your degenerate culture is substituting both priests and doctors with malevolent corporate drones, on the other hand. You need to be shot.

[Anonymous No.14545534]

>>14545527
>>religion is bad because kikes
Mostly this.
What exactly convinced you to take their mythology instead of your own nation's? I know what. Fear. It doesn't go any deeper than that.

[Anonymous No.14545535]

>>14545529
You are a low-tier kike and no amount of pilpul and pretense is going to convince anyone otherwise.

[Anonymous No.14545541]

>>14545534
Your arguments so far:
>religion is bad because it makes savage browns less behave less savagely
>religion is bad because it makes totalitarian regimes prosecute people under religious pretexts instead of secular ones
>religion is bad because muslim scientists have to pray 5 times a day and have no time to do science

>religion is bad because kikes abuse children
>we must tolerate this because we're so secular and progressive and diverse
>let's import more baby dick choppers from abroad
>by the way, giving hormone blockers to 7 years old "trans girls" is the Science(tm) way

[Anonymous No.14545547]

>>14545531
>You need to be shot.
See, only few hours with a dissenter and you already resort to violence, the subhuman ape you are.

[Anonymous No.14545555]

>>14545535
And why exactly do I expose kikes to be the cause of this kind of insanity?

[Anonymous No.14545558]

>>14545547
You are not a dissenter. You are the status quo. You are a cancerous scourge consuming this planet, destroying every good plot of land, poisoning every living body, distorting every sound mind and dismantling every human value, and now you are here lying, deflecting and defending the agenda to engineer the future generation into docile human cattle. Killing you is rationally necessary and morally just.

[Anonymous No.14545564]

>>14545555
>why exactly do I expose kikes
You don't expose anyone. You are spouting low-impact /pol/ memes from yesteryear to try to mask the fact that you are here shilling for a known kike agenda.

[Anonymous No.14545595]

>>14545541
> religion is bad because it makes savage browns less behave less savagely
less-less, but it's your point, not mine. My point is even recent history shows that they behaved more respectfully when they were secular.
Maybe you consider these women "degenerate" but that's only because you're a faggot. My condolences, but no need to make it a drama.

[Anonymous No.14545603]

>>14545595
>they behaved more respectfully when they were secular.
Your historical illiteracy is not my problem. Objetively speaking, Islam moderated the behavior of your brown savages, not that brown savages are relevant in this discussion.

Your arguments so far:
>religion is bad because it makes savage browns behave less savagely
>religion is bad because it makes totalitarian regimes prosecute people under religious pretexts instead of secular ones
>religion is bad because muslim scientists have to pray 5 times a day and have no time to do science

>religion is bad because kikes abuse children
>we must tolerate this because we're so secular and progressive and diverse
>let's import more baby dick choppers from abroad
>by the way, giving hormone blockers to 7 years old "trans girls" is the Science(tm) way

[Anonymous No.14545606]

>>14545603
>savages
What was more savage about their behaviour under Shah's rule?

[Anonymous No.14545610]

>>14545606
Completely irrelevant deflection and my point still stands.

[Anonymous No.14545620]

>>14545610
Your point was that religion moderates their savage behaviour. And recent facts showing the opposite to be true are somehow irrelevant?
Keep on believing, ignore all contradicting facts, is it how you're coping in this "degenerate" world?
The only thing it moderates is that now when they're pushed back to the medieval level they are less of a threat to Israel. Is it your point all along?

[Anonymous No.14545625]

>>14545620
>Your point was that religion moderates their savage behaviour
It objectively did.

>recent facts showing the opposite to be true
It doesn't. It simply shows two sides of Western interventionism.

[Anonymous No.14545637]

>>14545625
>It objectively did.
So show me OBJECTIVELY (video was invented then) how behavior of iranians was more savage than it is now!

[Anonymous No.14545643]

>>14545637
Why do you keep lying and deflecting, jew? How Iranians behaved under the thumb of the ZOG police is irrelevant to this conversation.

[Anonymous No.14545655]

>>14545078
NTA
What do you mean by "transplanted to a digital system"?
You can't turn *your* neurons and synapses into code, its impossible.
If you make a copy of your brain/recreate your brain and brain activity in a digital space, your conciousness won't just magically be transfered there, you would still be "bound" to your body and brain.
As a side note: (You) are not only your brain, there are also hormones being produced throughout your body that influence your behaviour and thinking

[Anonymous No.14545657]

>>14545643
Is it irrelevant because they behaved better?

[Anonymous No.14545659]

>>14545643
>jew?
>ZOG
Also I like how you give credit for their secularism to ZOG, very sneaky, kike.

[Anonymous No.14545666]

>>14545657
It's irrelevant because they simply had Western norms foisted upon them. It wasn't secularity acting as a civilizing force, but a foreign power.

[Anonymous No.14545668]

>>14545659
>you give credit for their secularism to ZOG
What should I credit their secularism to if not to the Western plants and Western attaches running the Middle East for British/kike interests after Sykes–Picot?

[Anonymous No.14545673]

>>14545666
So western seclar norms are civilizing better than religion? (which is also foreign to them, btw)

[Anonymous No.14545679]

>>14545668
ZOG is not western, Zion is in the middle-east.

[Anonymous No.14545683]

>>14545673
>So western seclar norms are civilizing better than religion?
So Western intervention is a better civilizing force than anything browns can muster on their own. Nothing to do with secularity one way or another. You just keep illustraitng why the correct method of dealing with you is to shoot you. You are incapable of a honest conversation. You just keep reiterating the same refuted pilpul over and over.

[Anonymous No.14545688]

>>14545679
The mask is slipping, Chaim. You clearly don't understand the concepts involved.

[Anonymous No.14545694]

>>14545485
>Yeah, if not those atheists you'd surely show them
True. Without atheists protecting their degenerate ways from higher cultures, they would be converted or dead by now.

[Anonymous No.14545695]

>>14545683
> You just keep illustraitng why the correct method of dealing with you is to shoot you.
Yeah, sure, because you keep on losing the argument. The only way for you to dominate is to suppress any opposition, as your kind did in european dark ages, as your kind did in commie-infested states, as your kind does in muslim countries in their current dark ages.

[Anonymous No.14545697]

>>14545695
Western intervention is a better civilizing force than anything browns can muster on their own. Nothing to do with secularity one way or another. Prior to that, Islam was the best civilizing force they had. You lost the argument.

[Anonymous No.14545698]

>>14545694
>higher cultures
What exactly in your mind makes your culture higher in any aspect?

[Anonymous No.14545711]

>>14545697
>Prior to that, Islam was the best civilizing force they had.
False. Islam destroyed their civilization. The golden age about which they are bragging to this day happened when christianity took over europe, but islam didn't started stomping everything reasonable out yet.

[Anonymous No.14545714]

>>14545711
Western intervention is a better civilizing force than anything browns can muster on their own. Nothing to do with secularity one way or another. Prior to that, Islam was the best civilizing force they had. You lost the argument.

[Anonymous No.14545732]

>>14545714
You won this game of chess, pigeon, but the next time I will shit on your board.

[Anonymous No.14545733]

>>14545732
Western intervention is a better civilizing force than anything browns can muster on their own. Nothing to do with secularity one way or another. Prior to that, Islam was the best civilizing force they had. You lost the argument.

[Anonymous No.14545747]

>>14545698
Cultures that suppress their people are low, they cause stagnation and suffering. Cultures that suppress them less are higher, they cause innovation and prosperity.

[Anonymous No.14545758]

>>14545747
People that need a culture to suppress them are low. People that can function without being suppressed cause innovation and prosperity. You are not in the latter category.

[Anonymous No.14545763]

Lets suppose we can make 1% to 6% of men not only look exactly like women, but more attractive than average women and heterosexual men engage in sexual behavior with these feminized men just as much if not more than they do with women. What will be the evolutionary implications of this?

[Anonymous No.14545766]

>>14545758
Explain Korea, you shitskin shithead.

[Anonymous No.14545772]

>>14545766
>uhh explain potato!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You wanna be more specific instead of screeching emotionally?

[Anonymous No.14545773]

>>14545758
Cultures apply selection pressure to their people. People are punished or rewarded based on how their natural tendencies align with the local culture.
When scientists say that race is a social construct, they aren't technically lying.

[Anonymous No.14545775]

>>14545772
> shitskin shithead doesn't have a clue what happened anywhere
The same nation, two forms of government, two completely different results.

[Anonymous No.14545779]

>>14545773
>Cultures apply selection pressure to their people
Completely moot point. Culture grows out of the people and reflects their natural tendencies both in terms of basic values, and in terms of how much suppression of the individual is required to hold a society together. From there on it's just a feedback loop.

[Anonymous No.14545780]

>>14545775
And? This doesn't dispute or contradict what I'm pointing out in any way.

[Anonymous No.14545795]

>>14545780
>People that can function without being suppressed cause innovation and prosperity
Not if they're suppressed. Which was his (not even mine, welcome, newfag) point.

[Anonymous No.14545807]

>>14545780
it...uh... it kind of does. It kind of just does. i mean, look at the difference. Ones lit up and the other is black. Heres a strawman for you, imagine a gorilla standing next to a normal woman, like not a nigger an actual gorilla with the strength of 20 men. I say look that gorilla is clearly stronger because it's muscles are huge, why are you even arguing that physical strength is a social construct.
To which you reply "And? This doesn't dispute or contradict what I'm pointing out in any way. gorillas aren't innately stronger than human women"
To which i reply "it...uh... it kind of just does buddy, don't know what else to say"

[Anonymous No.14545815]

>>14545758
>>14545766
the first anon is right, he wasn't advocating for communism, he was merely stating those that wish for communism are lesser people. I absolutely fucking agree.

[Anonymous No.14545818]

>>14545795
You still haven't disputed anything I said.

[Anonymous No.14545857]

>>14545779
Yeah, people and their culture is an example of the egg and chicken problem. But as long as better cultures are allowed to freely replace the worse ones, their origin is irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.14545872]

>>14545857
>people and their culture is an example of the egg and chicken problem.
There is no egg and chicken problem. The problem in your head. Inferior cultures and inferior people go together naturally.

>as long as better cultures are allowed to freely replace the worse ones, their origin is irrelevant
First of all they aren't allowed to; the world is currently dominated by what is arguably the worst culture in history, and it simply refuses to leave the stage and enter the grave, even though it's basically a rotten, shuffling corpse at this point. Secondly, you've literally just conceded that there needs to be an innate compatibility between the people and the culture that can only come to be as a product of natural co-evolution.

[Anonymous No.14545943]

>>14545504
>that comic
So the joke is that she took the vaxx and got this facial paralysis from it?

[Anonymous No.14546224]

>>14545668
The west installed the Shah. That ruined Iran.

[Anonymous No.14546557]

Transhumanism? We already reached transdogism

[Anonymous No.14546795]

>>14544933
Explain

[Anonymous No.14546810]

>>14544600
Techno-progressivism vs libertarian transhumanism vs socialist transhumanism vs anarcho transhumanism
Which one will lead the future? Techno-progressivism seems the most sensible but a full-blown New Human type communsit transhumanism would be fun to see.

[Anonymous No.14546828]

>>14544901
The corresponding ethical issues of genetic engineering are complex and deserve serious attention in what may be a relatively short interval before these capabilities become a reality. Each society will decide for itself where to draw the line on human genetic engineering, but we can expect a diversity of perspectives. Almost certainly, some countries will allow genetic engineering, thereby opening the door for global elites who can afford to travel for access to reproductive technology. As with most technologies, the rich and powerful will be the first beneficiaries. Eventually, though, I believe many countries will not only legalize human genetic engineering, but even make it a (voluntary) part of their national healthcare systems. The alternative would be inequality of a kind never before experienced in human history.
I believe that in the end all will benefit from such universal program, guaranteeing everyone being born healthy, fit and intelligent.
Another question what should be the limit of the genetic engineering, and I in my opinion we should only modify non-positional traits.
A positional good benefit you only because others lack it. Height may be an advantage in men, but if everybody were three inches taller, nobody would be better off. Attractiveness may be another example of a positional good. A gain for one person implies a relative loss for others. I would contrast that with a trait like health. Your life is better when you are healthy, even if others are also healthy. Cognitive enhancements are a complex topic, but they have aspects that are intrinsically valuable. It is good if we can understand the world better.

[Anonymous No.14546836]

the only reason neural implants arent more common is because that shit literally costs $100,000
find a way to lower the costs and you'll move transhumanism forward

[Anonymous No.14546837]

>>14546828
>I believe that in the end all will benefit from such universal program, guaranteeing everyone being born healthy, fit and intelligent.
And morally bioenhanced. Compulsory moral bioenhancement will be covert. Your grandchildren will be a healthy, fit, intelligent, docile golem slaves. :^)
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30157295/#:~:text=In%20particular%2C%20a%20covert%20compulsory,an%20overt%20moral%20bioenhancement%20program.

[Anonymous No.14546858]

>>14546837
>Compulsory moral bioenhancement will be covert.
Why should one give away one`s invention for free? How would you organise it all? Who would implament it? Who pays for it? Conspitard thinking are always way to simple and are unable to accept complexity and degrees. Crutchfield is as important as J. Posadas.

[Anonymous No.14546861]

>>14546858
>my IQ is 90

[Anonymous No.14546862]

>>14546557
You are correct despite being wrong.

[Anonymous No.14546890]

>>14544751
>Immortality should be biological.
Gradual Uploading may offer the solution. You can exchange all your brain cells with artifical ones following the neurogenesis/regeneration process untill all cells are now nanomechanical devices.
A follow-up idea would be the link up of virtual neurons with analog brain components, so that you can grow up your mind. This would offer the possibility to make the analog part of your brain redundant to keep your conscious mind.

[Anonymous No.14546892]

>>14545084
>How is troonhumanism related to math or science?
Sci-hub was created by a transhumanist. Gene modifided pig organs were created by transhuman scientists.

[Anonymous No.14546894]

>>14546890
>>>/x/

[Anonymous No.14546906]

>>14546894
https://www.nature com/articles/s41598-020- 58831-9

[Anonymous No.14546917]

>>14546906
Yes, they are totally going to replace your 100 trillion brain connections with artificial alternative despite barely understanding how a single neuron works. >>>/x/
You will die and rot like everyone else, except you're gonna waste your life waiting for pop-soi miracles.

[Anonymous No.14546920]

>>14546836
Pre-natal gene modifications are shockingly cheap. You can make more than 10.000 edits and we know 50 single gene enhancements additionally to various cures for genetic diseases. Implant and in-vivo treatments might be realised within this century but gene augments will reach adulthood within this half of the century.

[Anonymous No.14546921]

[Anonymous No.14546929]

>>14546917
Stop projecting and bitching around. What scientific counter-argument do you hold? You can disagree, but insulting in bad faith leads to nowhere.

[Anonymous No.14546941]

>>14544967
Artificial wombs might make it possible to greatly increase intelligence. Since you would no longer need a woman to give birth, head sizes could get a lot bigger. It would also make it easier for autists to reproduce since they would no longer need to attract a woman to pass on their genes.

[Anonymous No.14546949]

>>14545100
>It's immoral because... IT JUST IS, OKAY?!?!
But what exactly makes engineering human beings immoral?

[Anonymous No.14546952]

>>14546929
>What scientific counter-argument do you hold?
The fact that you have 100 billion neurons with 100 trillion brain connections that would have to be replaced. Even if your brain structure could be replaced at a rate of 1 connection per millisecond, it'd take 3 years of non-stop replacement. Your idea is truly a smoothbrain popsoi fantasy.

[Anonymous No.14546969]

>>14546952
Super-intelligent Ai could do it and that's like what 1-3 years away

[Anonymous No.14546972]

>>14546941
What I'm saying is that we probably dont want our brains to get bigger, but to shrink a lot. As the shrinkage of the human brain coincided with a massive explosion in human scientific and mathematical abilities.

[Anonymous No.14546977]

>>14546969
What a fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.14546983]

>>14546952
100 years ago computers didn`t exist and people were unable to concieve the idea of man walking on the moon, having satellites around the orbit and simlpe antibotica curing billions of people survive.
Biological lifeextension is nearer (probably within this century) and yet moravec gradual transfers don`t break any scientific or technical law. People have implants today that play a fundamental part in their lifes today and beyond 3 years. Personally I expect gradual transfer to take indeed many months of time but less because of technological impossibility but because of heat issues. Biologically coopting nanomachines would work as biological cells and we know of cases of people that lost great parts of their brain, that it regrow. The concept is credible.

[Anonymous No.14547001]

>>14546949

[Anonymous No.14547002]

>>14546983
You're so low IQ you're incapable of basic common sense and arithmetic.

[Anonymous No.14547125]

>/pol/ twisted yet another good thread into religion and politics

[Anonymous No.14547157]

>>14546983
No. Aging reversal wont be done with nano machines, but viruses created to deliver the Yamazaka factors straight to the cells in a safer way. You'll just end up getting yearly shots which will indefinitely prolong your life, this isnt science fiction, this is real and David Sinclair has already progressed the technology to a level beyond our wildest dreams.

[Anonymous No.14547170]

>>14544603
FPBP

Males will be enhanced using genetic modification into delicious femboys and females into large hulking amazons with penile clitorises

[Anonymous No.14547207]

>>14547170
I, for one, welcome our new femboy overlords.

[Anonymous No.14547212]

>>14547125
Troonhumanism is 80% religion and 20% politics in and of itself. >>>/x/ >>>/pol/ >>>/trash/

[Anonymous No.14547233]

>>14547212
You belong on /pol/ and /trash/ more than this thread

[Anonymous No.14547244]

>>14547233
No he's right, anybody who takes this stuff seriously is usually (>95%) a faggot libtard academic.

[Anonymous No.14547246]

>>14544600
>Let's hypothetically say that my media inspired soience fiction fantasy life were real
Is that what you say to your self when you're masturbating to child porn too?
https://archive.macleans.ca/article/2005/5/30/the-star-trek-connection
>THE STAR TREK CONNECTION
>A surprising number of child sex abusers appear to be Trekkies. Trying to figure out what that means, however, shows how little we really know about pedophiles

[Anonymous No.14547248]

>>14547244
And why exactly do you not recommend us take this stuff seriously?

[Anonymous No.14547269]

>>14545093
Nobody wants to be replaced. Hyper intelligent babies=current living humans will be obsolete. Not only obsolete but inferior. Second class citizens. People have big egos, can't let that happen, it maybe even poses existential threats.

[Anonymous No.14547278]

Religioon was a mistake

[Anonymous No.14547279]

>>14547248
because taking it seriously is often fatal

[Anonymous No.14547282]

>>14546972
Brain size is correlated with visuospatial IQ, but has virtually no correlation with verbal IQ. Relevant:
https://www.unz.com/akarlin/cognitive-cliodynamics/

>Two other bits of evidence from HBD. First, larger-brained men have a 10 IQ point advantage in visuospatial ability over women, but verbal abilities are at best equal. The Inuit and Yakuts have some of the biggest brains on the planet, more so even than their other Mongoloid cousins, but while their visuospatial abilities are legendary – early Soviet psychometrists noted the ability of the Altai to notice one missing animal in a herd of hundreds – their verbal IQs are nothing to write home about. Meanwhile, Jews dominate verbal IQ, being almost one S.D. above Whites, while having normal sized brains and unremarkable visuospatial IQ.

>Verbal skills, in contrast, benefit little if at all from greater brain size, and children in the developed world were already getting very stringently trained on it even a century ago. Even brutally so (spare the rod and spoil the child; one beaten is worth two unbeaten; etc.). OTOH, there must have been a large improvement in average verbal proficiency between, say, 1600 and 1900.

>Verbal skills are much more important for economic productivity than recognizing patterns in weird shapes, ergo GDP per capita and development levels showing the highest levels of correlation precisely with verbal IQ. Incidentally, this is why I find PISA tests – which are both strongly g loaded, as well as focusing on precisely the most economically useful skills – to really be the most useful psychometric tests from a real world perspective, as opposed to Lynn & Vanhanen’s and David Becker’s laudable efforts.

[Anonymous No.14547291]

>>14547001
Life extension technology has nothing to do with whether creating designer babies is ethical or not.

[Anonymous No.14547292]

>>14547248
Because that would be like a tranny pretending his sissy fetish makes him a woman. It's just not real, not yet perhaps, but pretending otherwise makes you a mockery of nature. Likewise all this transhumanism shit is no different, it's not real. It's literally just a fantasy, you're waiting for something that may not come to pass.

[Anonymous No.14547301]

>>14547282
>Verbal skills are much more important for economic productivity than recognizing patterns in weird shapes

[Anonymous No.14547310]

>>14547282
I hypothesize that IQ is either one or the other. An individual can have both high verbal and visuopatial, but at the population level groups of people can either have a verbal or a visuospatial advantage. We see this every day, Jews have high verbal and below average visuospatial, Asians have high visuospatial low verbal, but we have yet to encounter a group who has both. That can't be a coincidence.

[Anonymous No.14547338]

>>14544600
I'm very disappointed that you all ITT
If you're going to talk transhumanism you should at least read up on the consequences of such actions

A lot of you don't seem to have any grasp on the implications of these things beyond thinking "me build machine make good!"

[Anonymous No.14547346]

>>14547292
>sissy fetish
Whoa now. If a woman wants to look and act pretty it's normal but if a man wants to look and act pretty then it's a sissy fetish now? Nice double standard there bud.
>makes him a woman
No one is pretending to be a woman here chud.

[Anonymous No.14547347]

>>14547338
Why don't you write up on the consequences of such actions ITT?

[Anonymous No.14547367]

>>14547338
Whoah anon, when I made the thread I didn't mean for us to post actual trannies

[Anonymous No.14547393]

That's basically all transhumanism is, no?
>Anons wow we finally did it
>We invented a pod that gives you immortality and can simulate whatever you want forever and the AI takes care of collecting physical resources and identifying external threats!
>*People simulate the effects of heroin but with no negative consequences forever*

Not like you'll get to that part anytime soon before destroying the environment causing the next great mass extinction

[Anonymous No.14547396]

>>14547393
>>14547367
For (You)

[Anonymous No.14547426]

>>14547393
Kek it's like a charicature, go live in the woods away from people who actually care if you associate it with some form of "masculinity" so much. You can lay down the computer anon, you don't have to pretend anymore.

[Anonymous No.14547435]

>>14547393
I respect trees like any sane person, and I support technologies, because only they can substitute wood with some biotech-fibre so that people stop cutting them for wood.

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[Anonymous No.14548011]

>>14547393
So, given the decision to eternally live in a pod where you can literally play god in a personal lifelike virtual reality where everything is real to (you), you wouldn't take it?

[Anonymous No.14548055]

>>14545606
not him but don't you hate jews ? >>14545504
Don't you know that the shah was supported by the rockfeller ?
>" Rockefeller was such a staunch supporter of Mohammad Reza Shah because his bank was very profitable with Iran when the shah was in power"
https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2020/01/02/shah-of-iran-diplomacy

[Anonymous No.14548188]

>>14544600
Not a utopia nor a dystopia awaits us but new complexities, new potentials and new conflicts. Augmentations mostly won't be developed in black programs but will either be byproduct of medical research and follow in its application the supply/demand rule of all emerging technologies. Human modifications will be less horrific and glamorous than many think, it will be rather mundane. Or will become mundane because people do underestimate the therapeutic time humans will need to adapt to their augmentations. Transhuman technologies will not be the next computer or cellphones, but will become the next house.
I doubt that GRAIN augmentations will develop as smartphones did, because each augmentation will require an extensive treatment. Augments like nanosymbionts, genetic engineering and proteus noroviruses are also autonomous thus can exist without a supporting system. Even bionic organ replacements wouldn't require a system and could operate independently.
If eliminating cancer is even on the table, it is in the best interest of literally everyone (countries and individuals) to put shitloads of money on that research. Nobody wants to get cancer yet cancer is a leading and fairly horrific cause of death in developed countries, and this also means it is an enormous drain in the healthcare systems of said developed nations. Oncology is already a very big field of study. Saying Mossad funding gene engineered child sex slaves for billionaire pedophiles through blackmailing PhDs is a more realistic outcome of genetic modification is insane, if nothing else because we have no goddamned idea of how most mental traits relate to genetics in human beings and that some billionaires doing anything that sordid under the table can't possibly match the sort of funding and legit quality research the Engineer Away Cancer Foundation would get.

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[Anonymous No.14549284]

>>14544901
why are poos so based?
also no china? would be 100% for gene editing always

[Anonymous No.14549362]

>>14549284
The chinese had a informal network of medicines and politicans with the goal of creating the first genetic augment clinic but it blew up in their face 2018 when one doctor wanted his name in the history books.

[Anonymous No.14550060]

>>14549284
China is a civilization of two faces. They cant outwardly say they're pro Eugenics, but they are. Most Chinese are the strictest, most extreme eugenicists in the world secretly. Ex: He Jankui

[Anonymous No.14550712]

>>14544600
If America turns into a dictatorship via 2024, as a result of electing someone who won't cede power in 2028 or 2032, then transhumanism is as good as dead on Earth. Transhumanism will be made illegal in a theocracy for like 98% of the population, the remaining 2% will escape the effects either via money or simply a result of corruption. But 2% of humanity becoming transhuman isn't sufficient volume to guarantee the advancement of the technology to satisfy the term.

[Anonymous No.14550720]

>>14550712
Sorry anon, you're gonna be one of the femboys>>14544603 that post sealed your fate.

[Anonymous No.14550755]

>>14544600
>>>/lgbt/

[Anonymous No.14550771]

>>14550755
What about /lgbt/? This is a transhumanism thread.

[Anonymous No.14551134]

>>14550712
Ok so you are retarded let me help. First the ONLY people who fund transhumanism are on the American libertarian right. Peter Schiff, Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, you name it. Second you VILL take the anti aging pill, and you VILL choose to sign a asteroid mining contract because if you dont you will die. Have a nice eternity loser.

[Anonymous No.14551201]

>>14550712
>But 2% of humanity becoming transhuman isn't sufficient volume

holy shit you're dumb

[Anonymous No.14551486]

Is transhumanism defined by actions or by purpose? Because that seems to be the dividing line between all the emotional "debate" in this thread.

Upgrading your heart/lungs/dick to fuck more whores and snort more coke without dying may seem "transhuman" but the purpose is just as human as the 100% organic guy next to you. And the mindset you have to even want to do/continue doing such a thing is also 100% human. You never really "transcended" humanity in doing so, on the contrary it's merely a means to indulge in "humanity" even more.

On the other hand, trying to get rid of all things that even make you "human" (emotions, need to sleep, etc.) for the purpose of processing an ever increasing amount of data needed to say, understand the true mechanisms behind the existence of the universe better (being able to observe more, do math faster/more efficiently, build, test, simulate models or entire virtual realities on the fly for the purpose of testing some mathematical/physical models/theories etc.) sounds more "transcendent" to me. The purpose is more in line with something that seeks to become more than human and the act of upgrading or even completely changing hardware/software is merely a means to an end for that.

So let me ask this again, what exactly IS transhumanism?

[Anonymous No.14551487]

>>14550771
Troonhumanism is not science-related. Nothing of scientific insight has ever been posted in a troonnhumanism thread, scientifically speaking.

[Anonymous No.14551491]

>>14551486
>what exactly IS transhumanism?
A movement to undermine all human values and encourage the formation of a technocratic consoomerist dystopia.

[Anonymous No.14551863]

>>14550712
newsflash...its already begun and will be well on its way by the end of the decade. govs wont be able to censor or control it. its evolution will outpace any means by which to legislate against it.

[Anonymous No.14552829]

boomp

[Anonymous No.14552913]

>>14544600
The focus of transhumanism is transforming the human condition for the better through technological means. Two thousand years ago, being able to replace a missing leg with a functional replacement was not a part of the human condition. Now it can be, thanks to technology. Living with poor eyesight used to be a part of the human condition, now it is not. Cancer was a part of the human condition and we're hoping to eliminate that with a little more effort and research. It used to be a part of the human condition that no one could possibly live over the age of a hundred years. Not anymore. It used to be a part of the human condition that infant mortality had a rate of 30-50%. Not anymore. All of the things that were once part and parcel of being human are suddenly not, and this is a good thing.
Ground-level, realistic transhumanism is focused on continuing to improve the human condition. I'd like to live to see the first man or woman comfortably live to the age of a hundred and fifty before I die, something that's impossible for humanity as we know it today. I want to see genetic disease exterminated, something that always has a chance in the modern world. I want a lot of the horrible little things that we have to deal with as human beings to disappear, thanks to the aid of technology. Perhaps once these biggest problems have been eliminated, we can turn to those loftier, more questionable 'problems' that transhumanism in science fiction tackles. But that's a long way from the present and that's not all that transhumanism is.

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[Anonymous No.14554345]

>>14552913
better under than over, if you know what i am sayin...

>yes, i do believe i know what you are saying...

[Anonymous No.14554353]

>>14552913
Low IQ corporate ad.

[Anonymous No.14554474]

>>14549284
>>14549362
>>14550060
https://www.unz.com/akarlin/china-torpedoes-biosingularity-bid/

>China's new Criminal Code, which came into effect four weeks ago on March 1st, has a new section dedicated to 'illegal medical practices', which makes it a punishable crime to create gene-edited babies, human clones and animal-human chimeras.

>The new section is an amendment to Article 336 of China's Criminal Law, and officially outlaws "the implantation of genetically-edited or cloned human embryos into human or animal bodies, or the implantation of genetically edited or cloned animal embryos into human bodies," - with penalties ranging from fines to seven years imprisonment.

>Back in 2018 on November the 25th, Chinese biophysicist Dr He Jiankui announced that he had used gene-editing tool CRISPR to create the world's first gene-edited babies. Dr He had modified the babies' CCR5 gene - which the HIV virus uses as a pathway enter the cell. Through this CCR5 modification, the babies were made immune to HIV infection, and quite possibly had their cognitive capabilities enhanced.

>Dr He was widely rebuked for this experiment, and after a storm of media-generated outrage and mounting pressure from influential Western bioethicists, Dr He was detained, and on December 30th 2019, a Chinese court sentenced him to three years in prison.

[Anonymous No.14554481]

>>14554474
NTA but I don't get why the chinks would do this. Western social engineers are facing the dilemma between creating a race of ungovernable superhumans, and creating a race of eusocial, top-down-controlled insects, but as much as they would like the latter, they know it won't fly just yet. For chinks, on the other hand, being bugs is normal, anyway...

[Anonymous No.14555173]

>>14554481
It might be because East Asians tend to have risk-averse cultures.

[Anonymous No.14555246]

>>14551486
Transhumanism is whatever you want it to be. Eternal life extensions, genome editing, cybernetics and yes artificial wombs.

[Anonymous No.14555276]

>>14550712
>illegal in a theocracy
we are already in a theocracy

wokeism is a religion

[Anonymous No.14555322]

>>14545078
You are a simulation of your brain. Brain is not conscious, only its simulation is self aware - meaning that even if your body is completely replicated, memories transplanted, the simulation, even if identical - is not _You_.
If you understand what Virtual Machines are - ask yourself - by creating many images from the same image, does the new machine become the image? No. It's a new thing.

[Anonymous No.14555383]

>>14544608
haha based BASED!
Freaking epic moment captured right there haha

[Anonymous No.14555391]

>>14555383
You have to admit the picture is pretty funny.

[Anonymous No.14556004]

>>14551486
Nootropics and bodymod stuff is cyberpunk artsy shit unrelated to real transhumanism (maybe some of it is useful/interesting but not from a transhumanist perspective).

I don't think transhumanism is a purpose or a cause or even an ideology though. Ethics and much of philosophy will persist beyond humanity and into the trnashumanist era. Transhumanism is just a material reality that will either happen or not, and for me there are two simple tests to find out whether transhumanism (or the singularity, which is the same thing) has yet occurred: 1) has an AI passed the turing test? 2) am I immortal?

And 2 can be reduced to a simpler question: will I live to be ~200 years old? Or whatever you consider to be a long enough lifetime to reach the immortality "escape velocity".

[Anonymous No.14556082]

>>14556004
Just another point to add to this; there are some ideological considerations nonetheless, and one of them is that it doesn't really matter whether *I* get to be immortal and live to become transhuman or not. I think that's really important. Transhumanism means immortality, eternal life, which is something that pretty much every religion in history, even the rando animist ones that nobody remembers, talks about, and even seeks. So it's incredibly important IMO to stress that *you and I and everyone else here will probably not live long enough to see this shit come to pass, and that's okay*.

[Anonymous No.14556085]

>>14555391
It's some /pol/ pseudohumor

[Anonymous No.14556474]

jupiter brains when

[Anonymous No.14556632]

are full body suits /trans/?

[Anonymous No.14556706]

um, op here i'm trans by the way?

[Anonymous No.14556712]

Reminder

The autistic anime-irl people shall inherit the earth

[Anonymous No.14556715]

This is the future you chose.

[Anonymous No.14556718]

>>14556712
*autistic schizo anime-irl people

They just have SOUL. You feel?

Reminder to do psychedelics.
Expand your consciousness.

[Anonymous No.14556719]

>>14556632
Mmmmmmmmmmm, no, can't say so. It implies you're trying to shelter an underlying human weakness. Haven't really truly embraced upgrading.

Not to say it isn't based in its own ways.

[Anonymous No.14556722]

>>14544600
>create metahumans
>metahumans create AGI
>AGI kills the metahumans

[Anonymous No.14557023]

>>14556474
2000 years

[Anonymous No.14557029]

>>14557023
>>14556474
>2000 years ago.