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The retarded inconvenient freemasonic base ten system will soon be in total disuse in the United Kingdom, will this be influential elsewhere? What will this mean for mathematical calculations?

>> No.14536850

Both systems are useful, what's your point? I'd much rather they deal with the mass immigration problem, the banks and hedge funds buying up all the houses, the debt crisis and trade woes
But no if you want to talk about some minor timewaster issue go ahead

>> No.14536865

>>14536850
>what's your point?
Metricfags are often intimidated by the inconsistent bases of the units, hopefully if the British government starts being more aggressive with it it will force them to adapt.

>the mass immigration problem, the banks and hedge funds buying up all the houses, the debt crisis and trade woes
Not /sci/. If you want to talk about boring politics go to /pol/.

>> No.14536866

>>14536803
think of all the disappointed furries that order a dragon dildo that is 10.7 bongs long, only to find out that it's not even the size of their leg. I'm fine with most of the injustice in the world, but this goes too far.

>> No.14536894

>>14536865
You posted Boris Johnson?

>> No.14536942

>>14536803
>will this be influential elsewhere?
No, because there are no other units to return to elsewhere.
Also SI is different because it is actually a system of measurements, rather than independently arising random units that were made somehow work together. Which means that most conversions are obvious and require no calculation at all.

>> No.14537193

>>14536803
Lmao, what is the point of this? Nothing but a cynical and lazy attempt to win over 65+ voters. Pointless nostalgia baiting posing as Brexit freedoms

>> No.14537406

>>14536803
you forgot to mention "da joooooooooos"

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>>14536803
>What will this mean for mathematical calculations?
Absolutely fuckall.

>>14536850
All of the problems you listed get worse because of math

>Be bank
>have no quantities
>make up the quantities using debt
>"You owe me these quantities that never existed in the first place"

>Be INS
>Count "0" documents
>Because immigrants are "undocumented"
>quantitatively these people don't exist so there is no problem.
>"Illegal immigrants? No they're just undocumented workers, we don't have the papers to prove how illegal they are".

>>14536866
>think of all the disappointed furries
So all of them because their lives are fucked beyond comprehension?

>> No.14537440

>>14537193
Brits love their pint glasses. Brussels loved antagonizing member states on stupid things like pint glasses.

>> No.14537647

>>14536942
So no other country has any natural measurements? How did the average person measure things?

>>14537406
Tie a noose leftypol

>> No.14537654

>>14537440
> Brussels loved antagonizing member states on stupid things like pint glasses.
No they didn't, British tabloids just liked claiming that they did.

>> No.14537726

>>14537647
>So no other country has any natural measurements? How did the average person measure things?
In metric. Metric was what replaced each city using its own system.

>> No.14537765

>>14537726
What a load of fucking cucks. No wonder continentals spam anglo and related insults all over this website.

How were the people convinced to drop their traditional units and use a french one?

>> No.14537789

>>14537765
How were Britons convinced to switch to the imperial system?

>> No.14537810

For those who don't want to look it up, that is the most absurd part of it. The imperial system is MORE RECENT than metric.

>> No.14537821

>>14537789
It was an adaption of the Winchester units. Similar units were already being used all around England, people were just told to use a London standard. That's quite different from being told to use a very foreign base ten system from France, base ten likely was the base of very few natural units.

>> No.14537829

>>14537810
Imperial system is a standardization of natural British units that have been used for millennia. No system even slightly resembled the metric system.

>> No.14537841

>>14537765
Traditional units were long used as a method for the aristocracy in many parts of Europe to manipulate payments in their favor, because the huge number of different standards allowed them to technically keep to the letter of agreements regarding how much they were supposed to pay or receive in terms of commodities while in practice demanding more and giving less. When the French revolution and then later Napoleon swept through much of Europe, they brought the metric system with them. Everyone began using metric and because it allowed for consistency and uniformity across all of the new republics that the French created, it was seen by many as a step forward in easing trade and liberating people from one of the many ways that the aristocracy had really annoyed the people.

There were a few nations like Russia that kept their traditional units because Napoleon failed to conquer them. Russia also stayed on the Julian calendar, so they were a solid month apart from everyone else who had adopted the Gregorian calendar. This is why the February Revolution in Russia actually happened in March according to the calendar of the rest of the world, and the October Revolution actually happened in November. When Lenin took over he finally put Russia on both the Gregorian calendar and the metric system as part of modernizing Russia.

>> No.14537847 [DELETED] 

>>14537765
The French made the metric system mandatory in France in 1840; other countries in Europe looking to standardize their measuring systems adopted the French one to make trade with France easier. Prior to this, the measures being used could easily vary from city to city, even within the same country/region, which was a mess for trade.

With most of Europe using metric, its use spread to most of the world, again replacing a hodgepodge of inconsistent local systems. One reason why it took so long for the UK to adopt metric, and why metric adoption has been half ass in the US, is that the UK & US had their own mostly consistent systems that were useable across the whole US and/or British Empire.

>> No.14537876

>>14537841
This is also why metric stuck in terms of units of measure, but the French revolutionary calendar and time units never caught on. Metric was really helpful in creating a universal standard, which was something that hadn't existed before and just made things a lot more convenient. The new calendar and time system didn't offer anything useful, it was just a new calendar and time system, so no one used it and it was quickly forgotten.

>> No.14537891

>>14536865
>Not /sci/. If you want to talk about boring politics go to /pol/.
lol overspecialized stemcel brainlets get so triggered by economics and sociology

>> No.14537908

>>14537876
It's extremely inconvenient. I don't understand how people can think in terms of "centimeters" instead of inches. These natural units developed because they were useful, metric is completely artificial.

>>14537891
Or maybe I don't give a fuck, ever considered that? Why would you come to a thread about measurement systems to talk about British debt crisis?

>> No.14537917

>>14537821
>>14537829
> That's quite different from being told to use a very foreign base ten system from France, base ten likely was the base of very few natural units.
Many traditional unit systems don't have a consistent base at all. The Imperial system certainly doesn't. Metric uses base 10 because it was invented after the widespread adoption of arabic numerals and base 10 had been the standard for math in Europe for millennia at that point, even going back before arabic numerals. Roman numerals were sort of base 10, though not exactly.

>> No.14537926

>>14537917
I meant to say this. Having a standard base in maths makes sense, but not in a measurement system.

The freemasons could have done everyone some good by trying to standard base 12 or base 60, but instead they go with ten which is dividable by only five and two.

>> No.14537930

>>14537908
>I give a fuck about what measurement system is standard for the british public, which TOTALLY is a scientific topic - not BORING, DUMB stuff like the cost of living
who the fuck cares if Alfie measures his commute in miles or kilometers, they're not going to be busting into labs forcing researchers to measure results in fractions of inches. this whole thread is unscientific faggotry and you're just complaining because somebody mentioned unscientific faggotry that offends your implicit political sensibilities

>> No.14537933

>>14537908
> It's extremely inconvenient. I don't understand how people can think in terms of "centimeters" instead of inches. These natural units developed because they were useful, metric is completely artificial.
People just learned to think in centimeters instead of inches. You learned vaguely what an inch looked like when you were growing up, and they learned vaguely what a centimeter looked like when they were growing up. It feels inconvenient to you because you were raised to think in inches, and likewise inches feel inconvenient to them because they were raised to think in centimeters.

>> No.14537939

>>14537930
This thread is quite clearly maths related.

Anyway >>>/pol/. Stop crying that no one cares about your boring politics.

>>14537933
Everyone in Britain is raised with both. I like most people find that inches and feet are lot more convenient measurement.

>> No.14537944

>>14537933
lol. metric is standard in canada but everyone still reverts to imperial for things like height and weight. imperial has better units for measuring things in relation to your body, it's just a fact. 100lbs is a small/light person, 200lbs is a large/heavy person. 5 feet is short, 6 feet is tall. a foot is around the length of an actual foot, an inch is around the length of the first or second knuckle of your index finger. of course it's possible to adjust and become used to metric, but there are lots of places where metric is standard and people still default to imperial when talking about certain measurements.

>> No.14537950

>>14537944
This. I'm surprised the canadian government hasn't tried to get rid of the imperial system already.

>> No.14537960

>>14537926
> Having a standard base in maths makes sense, but not in a measurement system.
It makes more sense than having no consistency at all in a measurement system. Sure, something like base 12 would be better if they had really been starting from scratch and also choosing a base for math, but base 10 math had already been the standard for millennia prior to the French inventing metric, and they weren't willing to change that. So they standardized their units on the same base as the standard in mathematics.

>> No.14537961

>>14537939
units of measurement have no bearing on math except during trivial conversions

>> No.14537970

>>14537960
>It makes more sense than having no consistency at all in a measurement system.
I don't think it does, the imperial measurements developed for a reason. Also how convenient is it having 100 centimetres in a metre? Why didn't they standardize an intermediate stage for 10 centimetres?

>Sure, something like base 12 would be better if they had really been starting from scratch and also choosing a base for math, but base 10 math had already been the standard for millennia prior to the French inventing metric, and they weren't willing to change that.
Why didn't they try changing it for higher calculus or something?

>>14537961
Okay retard

>> No.14537976

>>14537908
>I don't understand
why should today be any different

>> No.14537979

>>14537970
>Why didn't they standardize an intermediate stage for 10 centimetres?
it's called a decimeter, moron

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>>14537970
>>14537979

>> No.14537988

>>14537979
I have never heard of this.

>> No.14537989

>>14537654
You're an USAian, aren't you?

>> No.14537992

>>14536803
>Hello, I am bri'ish and I weigh ten stone
i hate the uk so much it's unreal

>> No.14537996

>>14537992
Serious, why? Were you denied refuge?

>> No.14537997

>>14537996
no, thankfully I'm European

>> No.14538002

>>14537997
You haven't given a reason why

>I'm European
Doubt

>> No.14538017

>>14537986
>>14537979
Having divisions of a hundred (or worse, tens) is a bit confusing when most of the units are powers of a thousand. In general the chance of misplacing a decimal seems far higher for metric. Imperial is simpler in that respect because you generally stay within a single unit until the end and then convert if necessary, and conversions are more obvious than just raising/lowering the magnitude.

>> No.14538098

>>14537992
I think it's cool that they use stone. Stone and pounds is like feet and inches. Something about that sort of system makes it easier to comprehend the measurement. Who gives a shit about metric if you're not doing science or engineering?

>> No.14538212

>>14538098
He's a mad third worlder who hates Britain because it makes him feel better about himself. He likes to pretend that he's a continental european.

>> No.14538239

>>14537406
YWNBAW

>> No.14538406

>>14536803
Metric system was invented so tards could do science-math.

>> No.14538652

>>14537908
That's like saying you don't understand how people can think in French rather than English; just because you have lived your whole life using one system to the point where it is second nature doesn't mean it is any less efficient or arbitrary than the alternative.
>barleycorn =333 1/3 thous
>inch = 3 barleycorns
>hand = 4 inches
>foot = 3 hands
>yard = 3 feet
>chain = 22 yards
>furlong = 10 chains
>mile = 8 furlongs
>league = 3 miles
How is that in any way natural, intuitive or superior to base 10?

>> No.14538663

>>14538017
In what way is that possibly confusing to you? How can you not visualise 100/1000 or 10/1000 as an easy, intuitive fraction or percentage in your head?

>> No.14538666

>>14538652
>eurocuck seething
Btw you forgot there are 4 rods in a chain.

>> No.14538671

>>14538666
there are four rods in his mum

>> No.14538751

>>14538652
Well for natural and intuitive its because the whole units represent meaningful measurements and the relationship between them are an afterthought. What common everyday thing do you encounter that is a whole number multiple of a centimeter/meter in length?
>length of a barleycorn
>width of your thumb
>width of your hand
>length of your foot
>length of your arm
>length of a surveyor's chain
>length of a field that can be plowed by oxen without rest(1 furlong x 1 chain = 1 acre)
>1000 foot paces counted on one foot
>distance you can walk in one hour

>> No.14538757

>>14538663
I don't mean small numbers like that. Converting 53,000,000 centimeters to kilometers takes me slightly more effort than converting 530,000 meters or 530,000,000mm to kilometers. Another example would be trying to think of the number of pennies in a hundred bucks. 100x100 is noticeably more mentally taxing for me than 20x500, despite the outcome being the same.
It's like a lesser version of the problem with trying to read Japanese/Chinese numbers, as they use powers of 1,0000 rather than 1,000. Rather than going from a thousand to a million, they go from (ten thousand) to (one hundred million). It can be awkward as shit trying to figure out what "two hundred and thirty five (ten thousands)" is in normal terms without adding/missing a zero in there.

It's not that any of this is hard, it's just extra shit to think about that I don't have to deal with with imperial, ignoring currency exchange.

>> No.14538761

>>14536803
Thanks no news if?

>> No.14538811

>>14538757
>It's not that any of this is hard, it's just extra shit to think about that I don't have to deal with with imperial, ignoring currency exchange.
Quick, convert 16,000 barleycorns into chains. I'll convert 53,000,000cm into km and let's see who finishes first

>> No.14539204

>>14538652
>That's like saying you don't understand how people can think in French rather than English;
It isn't at all. I already said I was raised with both systems, so don't try with this. Schools had us doing most things in metric, imperial is used in schools sparingly. The metric is extremely inconvenient while the natural units of the imperial system are perfect for estimating distance.

>How is that in any way natural, intuitive or superior to base 10?
Each of the smaller units is based on the human body in some way.

>> No.14539310

>>14538811
People like you are why Americans don't switch to metric. Anon gives a serious response and you give some nonsensical strawman while implying superiority.

>> No.14539521 [DELETED] 

This is Matthew Falder. He was a British post-doctoral researcher and lecturer in geophysics at the University of Birmingham, and a strong advocate for the imperial system.
In 2017, he was jailed for 32 years for sexually blackmailing children in the internet. He would then publish the images he obtained to hurtcore (snuff + CP) darknet forums under the name of "666devil".

This is the kind of people who defend the imperial system.
This is exactly what you look like.
This is what you are.

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This is Matthew Falder. He was a British post-doctoral researcher and lecturer in geophysics at the University of Birmingham, and a strong advocate for the imperial system.
In 2017, he was jailed for 32 years for sexually blackmailing children in the internet. He would then publish the images he obtained to hurtcore (snuff + CP) darknet forums under the name of "666devil".

This is the kind of people who defend the imperial system.
This is exactly what you look like.
This is what you are.

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>>14536803
Do you think I care what british mongrels are doing? kek

>> No.14539564

>>14539557
You obviously care enough to open this thread

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>>14539524
>ifls

>> No.14539630

>>14539564
Gotta take every opportunity to shit on a brittoid, it's what you deserve

>> No.14539748

the sheer mental gymnastics imperialcucks go through to defend their medieval measurement system is amazing

>> No.14539770

>>14539310
He said that it is harder to convert from cm to km than it is to convert from mm to km (moving a decimal point five places is harder than moving it six places apparently). These varying difficulties in converting between different units are absent from the imperial system according to him. If you can't convert barleycorns into chains as easily as one can convert cm to km then his point is nonsense

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Imperialcucks ITT
>The imperial system is intuitive and natural and is perfect for estimating distance, height and weight
Also imperialcucks
>will use literally anything other than imperial to demonstrate the size of things

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>>14539777

>> No.14539785

>>14536803
Imperial is good for cooking

>> No.14539786

>>14539777
Hamburgers and bicycles are part of the imperial unit system, mate. You're clearly uneducated.

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>> No.14539907

>>14539748
Base 10 is absolute garbage and it's the only base metric uses. Therefore, metric is also absolute garbage.

>> No.14540101

>>14539748
>>14539777
>>14539782
>>14539787
>Cherry picking this hard
Lol. You're the one who willingly submits to freemason units instead of the traditional ones your ancestors used, cuck.

>> No.14540114

>>14539630
Why? Why are you such a cancerous poster who takes every opportunity to derail threads to be about arguing whose country is better? Why do you treat countries like sports teams? Why do you whine all the time? Why are you so childish?

>> No.14540187

>>14537908
I'm so glad us, humans (continentals) are now separated from British vermin.

>> No.14540199

>>14537988
Leave this board forever by slitting your throat.

>> No.14540209

>>14540199
how deep

>> No.14540223

>>14536803
If they change the unit of temperature to the Réaumur scale, that will literally be cool.

>> No.14540287

>>14540101
your ancestors lived in squalor, died at the age of 40 from preventable illnesses and worshiped a dead kike on a stick, who cares what they used

>> No.14540294

>>14539748
autistic people cannot handle change and get unreasonably attached to minor details

>> No.14540296

>>14540199
No

>>14540287
So you're the same as the faggot who just replied to let us know how much he hates UK. get over it, faggot. No one here cares about you.

>> No.14540297

>>14540294
>Sticking to tradition is bad
Why are UK haters so retarded?

>> No.14540304

>>14540187
You will never be a continental european

>> No.14540306

>>14540297
your ancestors didnt use all the modern conveniences you use daily, yet you sperg out about the measurement system most people use. really weird hangup. would you describe yourself as a normal, healthily adjusted person?

>> No.14540317

>>14540306
Who's sperging out? I'm just being optimistic that our native measurements might be promoted by the government soon. You're the one seething at the mere mention of Britain. What a massive projection.

>would you describe yourself as a normal, healthily adjusted person?
Yeah, probably

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>would you describe yourself as a normal, healthily adjusted person?

>> No.14540340

>>14540317
I'm not angry. I don't hate the UK. Nothing in any of my (few) posts ITT could even come close to implying that. The only rational explanation is you are so angry at this whole thread that you are projecting your emotions onto other people.

>> No.14540345

>>14540340
It sounds very much like you're a samefag, since your post was angry and stupid.

Most people here are in favour of keeping our old measurements and currency, it's retarded that you're implying that every single normal person who wants that has autism.

>> No.14540366

>>14540345
>Most people here are in favour of keeping our old measurements and currency

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/lifestyle/articles-reports/2022/04/07/metric-or-imperial-what-measures-do-britons-use

Seems too far from universal for you to make that claim.

>> No.14540387

>>14540366
>However, break the results down by age and we can see a significant shift occurring at the younger end of the spectrum. The youngest Britons surveyed (18-29 year olds) are almost evenly split, with 47% still using imperial but 44% using metric.
These aren't bad numbers. The ones using metric are the zoomers who have never used a tape measure.

>> No.14540423

>>14540387
metric tape measures are a thing

>> No.14540425

>>14540423
The implication was that the metric users probably don't ever do diy.

>> No.14540429

>>14540425
which is clearly wrong given that metric tape measures exist

>> No.14540435

>>14540429
I meant that they don't use tape measures because they do diy so they don't learn the imperial units, instead just the regular base ten metric.

>> No.14540447

>>14540435
if they dont use tape measures, why are private companies spending money producing metric versions in large quantities?

>> No.14540452

>>14540447
Because a lot of people use them. Most tape measures are done in both. The implication was that they never do diy so they don't bother learning the imperial system.

>> No.14540461

>>14540452
if you ever did DIY yourself (you haven't) you would know that there is nothing stopping you from using metric measurements.

>> No.14540467

>>14540461
I have which is how I know that the imperial system is better for diy

>> No.14540478

>>14540467
what tests did you perform to analyse that imperial is better than metric?

>> No.14540488

>>14540478
I've performed no tests, over the years I've come to the conclusion that it's more intuitive.

>> No.14540489

>>14540488
how did you come to this conclusion?

>> No.14540508

>>14540489
By having to go by different units in different situation and realizing that imperial units are easier for everything except counting.

>> No.14540517

>>14540508
how are they easier

>> No.14540523

>>14540517
Easier to estimate, easier to remember, easier to visualize.

>> No.14540526

>>14540523
By what metric?

>> No.14540533

>>14540526
No scale, it's just a lot easier.

>> No.14540534

>>14540533
how is it easier?

why cant you come up with a single objective benefit to imperial over metric?

>> No.14540542

>>14540534
I just gave you three benefits.

>> No.14540547

>>14540542
ok but how are they easier to estimate, remember or visualise, got any examples?

>> No.14540551

>>14540547
It's just easier to guess something by inch than centimetre, probably because imperial is based off of the human body.

>> No.14540562

>>14540551
>probably its based off the human body

Probably? What happened to you stating it as a fact?

Which measurements are you using that are based on 'the' human body?

and which human body are you referring to?

>> No.14540663

>>14540101
Your ancestors had no standardized system of measurements, whether imperial or metric. Such systems had to be implemented so there would be order in society, otherwise we would still be measuring distances by the length of the architect's arm and measuring weight out goods by whatever the seller decided to use today.

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>>14540429
Which metric?

>> No.14540734

>>14540562
>>probably its based off the human body
This isn't what I said, why are you misrepresenting me?

>Which measurements are you using that are based on 'the' human body?
Inches and foot, mostly

>>14540663
They used similar systems for hundreds of years. The modern imperial system is the successor. This is equivalent to you saying that they didn't speak English since English as a language has changed.

>> No.14540757

base 12 >>>>> base 10

>> No.14540759

>>14540734
>Standards for the exact length of an inch have varied in the past, but since the adoption of the international yard during the 1950s and 1960s it has been based on the metric system and defined as exactly 25.4 mm.

>the international foot is defined to be equal to exactly 0.3048 meters

>> No.14540953

>>14537944
>metric is standard in canada but everyone still reverts to imperial for things like height and weight
Because that's what the US does, and Canada is just an extension of the US

>> No.14540961

>>14538751
>>length of something that doesn't have a fixed size
>>width of something that doesn't have a fixed size
>>width of something that doesn't have a fixed size
>>length of something that doesn't have a fixed size
>>length of something that doesn't have a fixed size
>>length of something that doesn't have a fixed size and that most of people have never seen
>>length of something that doesn't have a fixed size and that and is based on something basically no one outside the third world does anymore
>>1000 foot paces (something that doesn't have a fixed size) counted on one foot (something that doesn't have a fixed size)
>>distance that doesn't have a fixed size
What an amazing system

>> No.14540981

>>14540101
You're the one submitting to English Internet newspeak instead of using the traditional Proto Indo European tongue of your ancestors, cuck.

>> No.14540987

>>14540961
You're missing the point entirely, actually you're just pretending to miss it.

>> No.14541001

>>14540523
>easier to remember
How is 333.33 thous to a barleycorn or 22 yards to a chain easier to remember than base 10?

>> No.14541009

>>14537944
>there are lots of places where metric is standard and people still default to imperial when talking about certain measurements.
Only Angloid zones trying to transition

>> No.14541038

>>14541001
It's easier to remember the measurement, not the bases on the individual units

>>14541009
Yes obviously, why would we be talking about anywhere else?

>> No.14541045

>>14537933
>People just learned to think in centimeters instead of inches. You learned vaguely what an inch looked like when you were growing up, and they learned vaguely what a centimeter looked like when they were growing up. It feels inconvenient to you because you were raised to think in inches, and likewise inches feel inconvenient to them because they were raised to think in centimeters.
my only concept of an inch is that if you have around 5-6 of them you have the length of an average penis

>> No.14541757

>>14537841
>Traditional units were long used as a method for the aristocracy in many parts of Europe to manipulate payments in their favor,
That’s the only reason /pol/tard monarchists support that system.

>> No.14541767

>>14537908
>I don't understand how people can think in terms of "centimeters" instead of inches.
Because you were raised with it, they were raised with metric. You can’t understand because you’re extremely self absorbed.

>> No.14542113

>>14541038
how is it easier to remember the measurement?

>> No.14542121

BoJo is medieval things loving autismo.

He should declare to quit. Having a megaparty whilst forcing sheep to be separate and wear a mask.

>> No.14542194

>>14539770
Any American asked the length of a barleycorn will likely assume you're joking about an old Roman unit. Conversions of that nature are not done in imperial because most units have pretty specific purposes with simple factors. Whereas in metric it seems far more arbitrary whether you'd use 500 meters or 0.5 kilometers, or 5,000 meters vs 5 kilometers. With centimeters it's even more silly, with height usually given in hundreds of centimeters instead of just meters. Clearly there is some cultural standard but, like imperial standards to you, it seems strange and unnecessarily complicated to me. And why the fuck is a liter 10cm^3, when almost(?) nothing else uses decimeters?
It's simpler to convert any awkward units before starting the math at all in imperial than to worry about fucking up by a factor of 10 somewhere between dividing a mass of 12g by its volume of 5cm^3 and then converting into kg/m^3 to find its density.

>> No.14542223

Nobody uses chains or barleycorns outside of niche fields. The modern imperial system (inch foot mile) + yards are literally the result of making a massive pool of different units, then discarding all the ones we didn't find useful like barleycorns. It's not hard to see that the metric system has a hard time with scale, theres too large of a difference in length between a cm and a m, and literally nobody uses decimeters. Meters are useful when all you have to look at are abstract numbers on a screen pertaining to precision, it's great for standardization and industry. However Imperial is better suited to human intuition and thus it's still used in construction and other miscellaneous measurements. Only thing I don't get is why psi is still used.

>> No.14542230

>>14542223
>t. room temp iq

>> No.14542239

>>14542230
Kek, 2.54 cm is literally a better form of measurement than a single cm will ever be. Cm are tiny just too tiny to be useful, just like your dick.

>> No.14542248

>>14542194
>However Imperial is better suited to human intuition

How is it better for human intuition?

>> No.14542262

>>14542223
>It's not hard to see that the metric system has a hard time with scale, theres too large of a difference in length between a cm and a m, and literally nobody uses decimeters.

Sounds like an excuse for being unable to count beyond a 2 diget number. I guess that is the reason for most people defending imperial units reach only 2 diget IQs.

>> No.14542268

>>14536803
Dead cat move. Add as many bullshit possible to avoid that anybody is talking about your real politcal mistakes

>> No.14542273

Why do Euros seethe about imperial units so much? It's not like America using feet and inches somehow affects you personally.

>> No.14542274

>>14536803
Based.

Fuck Metric niggers.

>> No.14542279

>>14542273
thread is full of mutts using american english and seething about metric
>>14542223
>>14540523
>>14540508
>>14537970

for example

>> No.14542288

>>14536850
that timewater is the one who should be dealing with all of those issues instead of petty bullshiting and avoiding adressing real problems

by the way, industry is using inches a lot, like plumbing fittings are typically in inches
not necessarily because 3/8in and 1/2in is easier to say or think in than 1cm and 1.5cm, but out of legacy pipes
you would need to make and stock parts in both standards and why bother?

>> No.14542327

>>14539748
>>14539907
speaking of medieval systems and bases
base 12 (dozen gross, great gross) is pretty good
you can count that on 1 hand, using finger knuckles and thumb or 2 hands, using closed fist as 6

much like imperial, we still use it niche applications like clocks, where it's more convenient
mainly because it's geometrically much easier to construct/inscribe hexagon (and by halving the angles dodecagon and icositetragon) than it's to construct a decagon
360/24=15
the 15° units are then sufficiently small for basic construction work, using medieval tools and precision

better for fractions as well
12/2=6
12/3=4
12/4=3

10/2=5
10/3=3.333...
10/4=2.5

>> No.14542334

>>14542327
If we really cared we'd use base 60 and not this nonsense schizo base 10 or 12 measurement system.

>> No.14542345

>>14542194
>10cm^3
>a decimeter
lol

>> No.14542351

>>14537193
Harder system = More Abstract Thought = Better Influence on brain during development.
Any idiot can grasp measurement in factors of powers. Conversions in simple 10x, or x100. Requires no brain power, or thought, or effort, whatsoever. Metric created a generation of dullards, which is why mainland Europe has been in the decline and voting for leftist retards since the French revolution.

>> No.14542363

>>14537979
i've even used dezivolt in a project because it was convenient(1byte value of a measured voltage) and the customer was fine with it. this is the power of the metric system.

>> No.14542365

>>14541767
? I was raised with both, I've already said this. Everyone in Britain is raised with both.

>>14542279
I'm from UK. I think you're calling me american because you see americans as an easier target to make fun of.

>> No.14542382

>>14542351
yeah no, spending time on unit conversion instead on deeper stuff is a waste. i have heard the same logic with chinese being superior due to having to learn a shit load of characters to function but i kinda doubt it. learning the koran by heart doesn't unretard you. solving difficult problems on your own or in a team does. problems that go beyond the question of how many cubic inches are in a gallon.

>> No.14542578

>>14542351
Windshields made of lead = can't see through whilst driving = abstract thought and problem solving abilities developed
Any idiot can see through a glass windshield, let's get people thinking more by learning to drive without crashing when they can't see the road. The most retarded cope I've ever read

>> No.14542594

>>14542365
You were raised with both hands too, yet you only use one (the right)

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>>14542223
>he metric system has a hard time with scale, theres too large of a difference in length between a cm and a m
this is your brain on anglo

>> No.14542723

>>14537647
Burma has their traditional units, but they seem to have been rounded/redefined some time back, since they convert to imperial with just a simple integer or rational number.
The US has a decimal based system written by Thomas Jefferson himself, it's in the same act we got our decimal money (the coinage, weights and measures act of 1790).

>> No.14542784

>>14542382
What type of gallon! US Customary, 231, by definition. Imperial gallon, however many cubic inches 10 pounds of water takes up at 62°F I believe. 277.419 or so.

>> No.14543121

>>14542723
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_for_Establishing_Uniformity_in_the_Coinage,_Weights,_and_Measures_of_the_United_States
A decimal system based on the foot, sounds like a good system to me!

>> No.14543230

>>14536803
This is the worst cope deflection I've ever seen

>> No.14543240

>>14542365
I can visualise mm, but not inches. Same with kg compared to 'stones'
t. Also from UK

>> No.14543649

>>14542223
1 chain, the distance between wickets in cricket.
1 barleycorn, the difference between US shoe sizes.

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14543681

Dumb. If anything we should already be trying to swap out miles for km, which is really only the last imperial unit still forced on us despite being almost totally useless.
We should continue to drive on left side of the road though, that's one thing boomers got objectively correct

>> No.14544227

>>14540987
Your "point" is fucking retarded. You think Imperial measurements are somehow "natural" because you are too dumb to accept that your beliefs are influenced by the circumstances you grew up in.

>> No.14544557

>>14544227
>You think Imperial measurements are somehow "natural" because you are too dumb to accept that your beliefs are influenced by the circumstances you grew up in.
And metric is any different?

>> No.14545034

>>14544227
It is more natural as it is based on the human body.
>your beliefs are influenced by the circumstances you grew up in.
I was raised with both systems.

>> No.14545038

>>14536803
absolutely based

>> No.14545173

>>14542351
Convoluted =/= harder, dumbass

>> No.14545178

>>14545173
>Convoluted =/= harder
Yes it does...?

>> No.14545263

>>14545178
Only in the sense that it takes longer, amd and a task taking a long time is not indicative of difficulty

>> No.14545291

>>14545263
If you're doing a lot of measurements at once fast you're going to get better at it, and it would be more mentally stimulating. I think that's what that anon was trying to say.

>> No.14545340

>>14545291
Lab work (that is, where measurements are done) are rarely mentally stimulating to begin with. I honestly doubt any amount of contrived, archaic systems of measurement will ever change that. All it does is create a moment of frustration with making things more convoluted than they have to be. If anything, knowing myself, this'd lead to less mental stimuli because I'd be so fucking tired and angry from all these pointless conversions when I'm there to get results and data, not do unit conversions.
Speaking of, even if this were to be the case, how would it change anything? Do you honestly believe scientists wouldn't just plug the imperial data into a program and have it spit out the results? - It changes nothing. They're not going to convert it by hand.

>> No.14545350

>>14545340
I believe he was referring to children. Children would be forced to do something more stimulating. Though I'm sure measurements only amount to a small amount of schoolwork.

>> No.14545370

>>14545350
My answer remains the same.
Even as a child I found unit conversions tiresome. There's no problem solving to be done.
Besides, don't Americans already do this? Use imperial, I mean, and then convert to metric? If yes, and if there was any merit to the idea that extra calculations = more brain stimuli, shouldn't we be seeing the results of that in American schools

>> No.14545648

>>14545370
>shouldn't we be seeing the results of that in American schools
American Whites have an average IQ of 103-105.
European Whites have an average of 95-100.

>> No.14545680

>>14545648
Europe is weighed down by the eatern bloc
Besides, top performers are Asia and they definitely don't use imperial

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>>14545680
>Europe is weighed down by the eatern bloc
No. Western European countries range from 95-100. I purposefully excluded Eastern European countries, as economic circumstance lowers their IQ significantly.
>Besides, top performers are Asia and they definitely don't use imperial
European detected. We are talking about Whites, here. Try to keep up, I know your intellectual handicap makes it tough, but you can do it!

Keep in mind, many of the 103+ IQ states are 10%+ non-White. The average in coastal New England, for instance, is probably in excess of 110.

>> No.14545725

>>14545703
>maps used: two random maps found on Google without any sources or criteria listed
(You)

>> No.14545728

>>14545725
Actually nevermind. The European one does include a source, although 10 years old

>> No.14545743

>>14545725
>>14545728
Stop crying, pussy.

>> No.14545754

>>14545743
Sorry I'm not interested in following or arguing with your bad faith race garbage.
This was about the effects of Imperial vs Metric, not your regurgitated /pol/narrative
This is the last (You) you're getting. Sneed, cope, seethe.

>> No.14545770

>>14545754
Concession accepted.

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14546428

>>14542351
>>14542382

The Japanese, Korean, and Chinese counting systems provide a relative headstart in arithmetic compared to Latin counting systems, due to their relative simplicity. Malcolm Gladwell explains this in his book Outliers.

>> No.14546460

>>14546428
Too bad Japanese kids are held back by having to learn kanji.

>The Japanese, Korean, and Chinese counting systems
What's the difference to ours? Don't japanese use arabic numbers anyway?

>> No.14546503

>>14546460
It's not about the numerals /symbols, it's about the actual meaning of the name of each number, and the cognitive implications.

e.g.

In English, we say 'eleven' to represent the value 11, whereas in Japanese they just say "Jyu-Ichi (ten-one)", for 'Twelve' (12) they say 'ten-two'), for 611 they'll say and think "six-one-one" instead of "six-hundred and eleven", etc. So at a young age they're mentally performing arithmetic in a more elegant and seamless fashion than a same-aged western child (I feel sorry for the French!), and this gap just subtly perpetuates as they continue growing and learning, starting with the simpler Japanese foundations.

>> No.14546516

>>14537970
>Why didn't they standardize an intermediate stage for 10 centimetres?
It’s called a decimeter (as used to display depths on naval charts)
>Why didn't they try changing it for higher calculus or something?
It’s called hex and is used in a lot of computer systems

>> No.14546526

>>14536803
>What will this mean for mathematical calculations?
Like mathematicians know what units are. They just immediately change units so all constants are WLOG equal to 1 anyway.

>> No.14546571

>>14546503
I was expecting it had something to do with how 10 has it's one unit, which also makes me wonder how the represent fractions.

>In English, we say 'eleven' to represent the value 11, whereas in Japanese they just say "Jyu-Ichi (ten-one)", for 'Twelve' (12) they say 'ten-two'), for 611 they'll say and think "six-one-one" instead of "six-hundred and eleven", etc.
Whenever I do mental calculations I just imagine the numerals, this seems like it would make thing easier for children. There's no way to fix it though as it would involve changing the language around.