/sfg/ - Space Flight General: Soviet Kino Edition

[Anonymous No.14528074]

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[Anonymous No.14528086]

>>14528074
FTS Archive, 3 stamps coming later this evening
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1KCJBL632oieD1r6JOh_5Eg9NTcf_-hH8?usp=sharing

[Anonymous No.14528092]

FAA decision hype

[Anonymous No.14528093]

>>14528086
suomi

[Anonymous No.14528097]

Musk is >>14528093

[Anonymous No.14528108]

we're not getting an FAA announcement until tomorrow, arent we?

[Anonymous No.14528113]

>>14528108
I don't think so because today is
1) A holiday
2) Not the last day of the month

[Anonymous No.14528124]

Leaker on Elle Two says that S24 will take some time to be repaired, but Booster 7 is proceeding with its test campaign. Expect B7 and S24 static fires to sync up with regards to timeline

[Anonymous No.14528125]

>>14528093
Won gold against the leaf people lol
It was wild in the streets last night, every single car had a flag flailing from the windows and each one honked when passing people on the street.
Walked by the market (as is tradition) and people were packed on the roofs of the pavillions still under construction. Apparently it got a bit damaged in the celebration too

[Anonymous No.14528128]

>>14528125
ei tarvi mulle kertoa

tiedoksi, että jokainen postaaja täällä on jenkkiä larppaava suomalainen

[Anonymous No.14528130]

zubrin

[Anonymous No.14528131]

>>14528130
>me when I shit

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>>14528113
oh yeah i forgot it was a major federal holiday today

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>>14528124
>Larper on Elle Two
ftfy

[Anonymous No.14528144]

>>14528128
Huutista

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>>14528137
Probably but oh well. Los Dos is just a bunch of people sucking off one or two verified leakers 24/7

[Anonymous No.14528155]

BRILLIANT

[Anonymous No.14528157]

PEBBLES

[Anonymous No.14528163]

SON OF BARNEY

[Anonymous No.14528169]

>>14528128
>jenkkiä
kek

[Anonymous No.14528200]

Knower here
FAA has decided to delay for another month
They won't have a proper excuse just "finalizing paperwork"

[Anonymous No.14528214]

>>14528200
lol, Berger already has the announcement. FONSI will be live on tuesday, as stated. you are forever look like a retard

[Anonymous No.14528225]

>>14528200
>Knower
I've noticed only schizos use this word.

[Anonymous No.14528234]

>Sierra Club is suing SpaceX

oh here we go, they are getting their campaign started https://www.activistfacts.com/organizations/194-sierra-club/

[Anonymous No.14528259]

>>14528234
Lol they are trying to get them for the beach access
Its over

[Anonymous No.14528261]

>>14528225
its also used as a joke

[Anonymous No.14528265]

>>14528214
But anon i AM berger

[Anonymous No.14528271]

>>14528261
Discerning the difference between "saying dumb things because I think it's funny" and "saying dumb things because I'm a retard schizo" does not have any real utility to me.

[Anonymous No.14528283]

Tomorrow the beetles will finally lose the war.

[Anonymous No.14528285]

>>14528283
The war is only starting >>14528234

[Anonymous No.14528296]

>sierra club arrives to protest the launch
>suddenly starship swoops down out of the fog and scorches them all like roaches, before flying back up into the sky like it was never there.

[Anonymous No.14528312]

>>14528283
beetle BBQ incoming

[Anonymous No.14528313]

Why doesn't the Sierra club just make their own beach?

[Anonymous No.14528319]

FAA report has been released!
https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/space/stakeholder_engagement/spacex_starship/Summary_Draft_PEA_for_SpaceX_Starship_Super_Heavy_at_Boca_Chica.pdf
Mitigated FONSI, SpaceX has to spend around ~$50M on conservation.
3 launches per year.

[Anonymous No.14528322]

>>14528319
>3 launches per year.
Spacex lost

[Anonymous No.14528323]

>>14528319
>3 launches per year.
Florida, Ho!

[Anonymous No.14528325]

>>14528319
>3 launches per year.
It's over

[Anonymous No.14528328]

>>14528319
>3 launches per year.
It's over, beetles won.

[Anonymous No.14528329]

>>14528322
5 to 3, not bad for a glorified R&D site

[Anonymous No.14528330]

>>14528319
Um bros what is the status on the oil rigs?

[Anonymous No.14528336]

>>14528322
>>14528323
>>14528325
>>14528328
How new are you? It's been public news for many months.

[Anonymous No.14528337]

>>14528329
3 launches is nothing
They can't even do the HLS demo with 3 launches....

[Anonymous No.14528339]

>>14528336
Yeah, but down to 3 per year means they'll probably move R&D to Florida as well.

[Anonymous No.14528340]

>Potential impacts on minority and low-income residents
Very important point

[Anonymous No.14528341]

>>14528319
>>14528200
Lol
Lmao

[Anonymous No.14528343]

>>14528341
Have one for posterity.

[Anonymous No.14528344]

>>14528336
I never heard anything about it being reduced to 3
3 is pointless, you need 5 for a hls mission

[Anonymous No.14528346]

each minute we get a minute closer to lunch

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>>14528319
Thats pretty gay

[Anonymous No.14528349]

>>14528322
>>14528323
>>14528325
>>14528328
>>14528329
>>14528330
>>14528337
>>14528339
>>14528340
Click the link retards that’s not it.

[Anonymous No.14528352]

>>14528319
>SpaceX would educate its personnel on the potential for vehicle collisions with ocelots and jaguarundis and encourage personnel to reduce speeds along SH 4. Any contractor or employee disobeying speed limits would be disciplined.
nooo you can't just go fast reee

[Anonymous No.14528353]

>>14528319
That's from September 2021, you braindead Earther https://www.faa.gov/space/stakeholder_engagement/spacex_starship

>A copy of the September 2021 Draft PEA is available here for download.

> Executive Summary of the Draft PEA – in English (PDF) [https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/space/stakeholder_engagement/spacex_starship/Summary_Draft_PEA_for_SpaceX_Starship_Super_Heavy_at_Boca_Chica.pdf]

[Anonymous No.14528356]

>>14528349
epic troll

[Anonymous No.14528357]

>>14528349
Yes it is. 3 in development phase and 5 in operational phase

Musk is finished

[Anonymous No.14528361]

>>14528353
Sorry wrong link, public link should be out in a few minutes. It's up on L2

[Anonymous No.14528362]

>>14528349
>reading
Uh no thanks

[Anonymous No.14528364]

/sci/ is the second dumbest board
/sfg/ is the dumbest general

[Anonymous No.14528366]

>>14528361
Also available on our discord ;)

[Anonymous No.14528368]

>>14528319
>>14528361
HUGE larp, and everyone took the bait

[Anonymous No.14528372]

>>14528361
Its on 4chan Gold already

[Anonymous No.14528373]

>>14528368
I was too busy shitposting to care

[Anonymous No.14528375]

>>14528319
aagaghaahga
they barely did 3 launches with the
suborbital prototypes, whats all the fuss about

[Anonymous No.14528378]

>>14528375
3 launches means they require florida or the rigs to do the HLS demo mission

[Anonymous No.14528379]

>>14528319
What were they thinking, should have submitted an expanded non-launch related infrastructure after approval for orbital flight, this really held them back I think from getting approval sooner.

[Anonymous No.14528383]

>>14528375
>>14528378
>>14528379
>still taking the bait

[Anonymous No.14528385]

>>14528375
Starship needs 15 refuels just to reach the Moon and even more for Mars

they can't do jack shit with 3

[Anonymous No.14528389]

>>14528319
nice

[Anonymous No.14528392]

>>14528319
>SpaceX could conduct missions of the Starship prototype launch vehicle as authorized by the current license (LRLO 20-119). The license expires on May 27, 2022.
oh snap

[Anonymous No.14528394]

Mods modded

[Anonymous No.14528395]

Based jannies

[Anonymous No.14528398]

Threadly reminder to get a job: https://www.spacex.com/careers/?department=Facilities%2520and%2520Physical%2520Security

[Anonymous No.14528401]

>>14528385
Just gotta wait 5+ years!

[Anonymous No.14528402]

did they really remove my perfectly related post that also include a WEBM of a rocket launch?

[Anonymous No.14528404]

Reposting my incorrectly [Deleted] post:

>>14528379
What were they thinking, they should have submitted an expanded non-launch related infrastructure after approval for orbital flight, this really held them back I think from getting approval sooner.

[Anonymous No.14528405]

But honestly if it ended up being 5 launches per year wouldn't that launch site be pointless for starship, maybe if it was any other rocket.

[Anonymous No.14528410]

>>14528405
>But honestly if it ended up being 5 launches per year
newfags have never seen this diagram before. you have to go back

[Anonymous No.14528412]

>>14528405
Yes, Starship needs ~10 refuels just to reach the Moon and even more for Mars, so they couldn't do anything with 5 launches

[Anonymous No.14528414]

>>14528412
They really need to get a bare-bones oil rig launch platform going solely for the sheer amount of tanker launches that will be needed

[Anonymous No.14528416]

>>14528410
Maybe they have revised this since, given that the FAA has stated that spacex changed their proposal multiple times.
I don't think they want to do many suborbital launches anymore

[Anonymous No.14528421]

>>14528404
second tower, desalination plant, power plant etc is not happening unless spacex did the work and submitted the request information.

[Anonymous No.14528426]

>>14528421
I know thats not happening but its what they initially proposed that delayed the PEA we are waiting on now for so long given how many times its said they modified it (to remove all things not related and immediately required for orbital flight test)

Get it through your thick skull, I'm saying they could have saved themselves a lot of trouble and time by not taking this risk in the first place.

[Anonymous No.14528430]

>>14528426
i see, however this
>(to remove all things not related and immediately required for orbital flight test)
is still speculation. hopefully only until tomorrow

[Anonymous No.14528432]

>>14528430
Its speculation but its the logical thing to do, to prevent further delays and excessive scrutiny, their goal should be orbital flight test, and everything else is secondary

[Anonymous No.14528438]

I'm just curious how much environmental impact *really* changes between 5 launches and 500 launches.

Like, regardless some shit is going to crash and dump some chemicals. Some RUDs will make some fireballs and scatter some tiles everywhere. Some ocelots will have their hearing blown out. Big whoop.

[Anonymous No.14528443]

>>14528438
The FAA doesn't have the paperwork available for a proper commercial spaceport.

[Anonymous No.14528447]

>>14528438
It changes it so that an EIS is required.
The argument made for FONSI was that the CUMULATIVE impact of the propose operations didn't exceed the impact of the already approved f9/f9 heavy operations.

[Anonymous No.14528448]

>>14528438
That many launches would pretty mich permanently close public beach access and prevent the traditional native activity of ripping up the coastal ecosystem with offroad vehicles, a true cultural tragedy

[Anonymous No.14528452]

>>14528448
kek

[Anonymous No.14528467]

>>14527854
hey, i never claimed to. just seemed like a good idea, if you had a suitably large long-period comet that wouldn't be seriously disrupted by a large probe landing (like the upcoming c/2017 and bernadelli-bernstein ones)
>>14527857
in my (uneducated) opinion, i think the boundary to deep space is lunar orbit. everything beyond the moon's orbit/hill sphere is deep space imo.

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>>14528438
I doubt you would have to worry about animals at that point because I don't think any would live there due to sound.

[Anonymous No.14528478]

>>14528467
>hey, i never claimed to. just seemed like a good idea, if you had a suitably large long-period comet that wouldn't be seriously disrupted by a large probe landing (like the upcoming c/2017 and bernadelli-bernstein ones)
the gist of it is that no matter at what point in the comets orbit your velocity relative to that comet is zero (required for landing on it), then you are exactly in the same orbit.
thus there would be no delta-v benefit in 'hitching a ride'.

[Anonymous No.14528500]

>>14528478
Just smash into it, yolo

[Anonymous No.14528506]

>>14528500
the chad lithogravity assist

[Anonymous No.14528513]

>>14528500
>lithocapture

[Anonymous No.14528545]

When we all move to Elon's Mars, I recommend pre ordering properties (summer houses) on one of its moons, Deimos. The gravitational force is so low there, the escape velocity is like 12mph so you can do some fun experiments. Or you can jump off a tall building and keep falling for a few minutes and still land softly, with the speed of 2-3mph. Or you can even jump from a plane without a parachute and still land safely. Just be careful not to fly too high otherwise you might never land.

[Anonymous No.14528547]

what's the point of sending solar sail probes and other super high velocity probes beyond the solar system right now?
the deep space network is nowhere near powerful enough to get any data from them beyond, like, 350 au at the absolute furthest. hell, voyager 1 won't even be able to get picked up by the DSN in a few years, and it's not even at 200 au.
how do we make the deep space network powerful enough to be useful at distances beyond the orbit of sedna? let's say for a second, what if the hypothetical Planet Nine actually exists, and gets discovered? it's estimated average distance is around 500 AU. how on earth would we send a probe there and actually receive any data from it?

[Anonymous No.14528563]

>>14528545
*fistbump* fellow Deimosian here.
Winchell Chung has written several posts on how Mars is for chumps, and that Deimos is where it's at for access to the Solar System. All the resources; none of the deltaV up and down from Mars' surface.
I suppose the trick is, what's the plan for building livable quarters. Ultimately carving out the middle of the moon and spinning it all toward 3.7 m/s2 centrifugal force, for the Solar System's biggest O'Neill cylinder and fully radiation-shielded. But that won't happen overnight.

[Anonymous No.14528566]

>>14528547
Probably by using technologies we've already invented since fucking 1975.
Bigger probe with more on-board power storage, and a laser for message output.

[Anonymous No.14528586]

(you) again

[Anonymous No.14528590]

New Kiger (Kino + Eager) Network
https://youtu.be/DdENNe34b3U

[Anonymous No.14528597]

>>14528590
>Isp alone isn't a good metric to compare this engines. We need a new metric, miracles per second, or mps or m/s. It measures how many miracles on average are required every second in order to prevent the engine from either melting, killing the crew, or both. I'd say this one has a fairly high value for mps.
Kek, sounds about right.

[Anonymous No.14528599]

>>14528566
how large of a probe/power supply are you expecting, exactly? the nearest star system is 270,000 AU away, so unless you're implying that the probe's communication capabilities are gonna be more than 1,400 times as powerful as the voyager probes, which themselves are significantly more powerful than new horizons (a probe which uses "technologies we've invented since fucking 1975"), then we're not gonna be able to communicate with them or receive anything from them at all

[Anonymous No.14528600]

>>14528566
>we've already invented since fucking 1975.
Space is hard, please understand.

[Anonymous No.14528606]

>>14528547
>>14528599
Just spam a daisy chain of them. How hard could it be to mass produce and launch 1,000 Voyager probes?

[Anonymous No.14528611]

>>14528547
The probes would transmit using lasers, not radio.

[Anonymous No.14528625]

>>14528599
>so unless you're implying that the probe's communication capabilities are gonna be more than 1,400 times as powerful as the voyager probes, which themselves are significantly more powerful than new horizons (a probe which uses "technologies we've invented since fucking 1975")
M8, this is easy, have you even put any thought into it at all? I think you're just assuming it couldn't be done.

If you need an RTG that lasts longer than a Pu-238 RTG, then you pick a different isotope. Am-241 is the obvious choice. It has a half-life of hundreds of years, not decades.

[Anonymous No.14528644]

>>14528606
i know you're joking, but it wouldn't be that hard, if only the world gave a fuck about stuff like that.
imagine if we made hundreds of voyager-likes with updates using tech we've developed since they first launched, like powerful, efficient ion thrusters on board to help them gain far more velocity, larger, more efficient power supplies and more robust scientific instruments
imagine the data we could collect from a fleet of them scattered in all directions, each doing flybys of distant TNOs and cataloging the entire outer solar system

[Anonymous No.14528648]

>>14528625
the problem isn't how long the isotope lasts, it's the broadcasting and receiving capabilities of the probe. jamming more power into it means you can have a stronger signal, but it's not a more precise one

[Anonymous No.14528659]

>>14528648
Literally just use a pulsed laser instead of radio. It can charge capacitors for weeks if needed, then blast out a laser signal bright enough to burn your retinas from a light-year away.

[Anonymous No.14528665]

>>14528644
>powerful, efficient ion thrusters
Those require a nuclear reactor to be useful that far from the sun, at which point you should send people in manned NEP/fusion spacecraft and bring the Pioneers and Voyagers back with them.

[Anonymous No.14528666]

>>14528599
> as the voyager probes, which themselves are significantly more powerful than new horizons
NTA nor do I want to dogpile you but Voyager was 249 watts and New Horizons was 240 watts. You just assumed it would have to be 1,400 times more powerful, the ground antennas couldn't be improved and that it would use the same technology as 45 year old interplanetary mission instead of a visible wavelength laser or some other shit. You would however be correct to point out that RTGs wouldn't make sense for a high power interstellar probe and the mass is already an obstacle for low power spacecraft.

[Anonymous No.14528675]

>>14528283
finally
but they should've been stopped sooner

[Anonymous No.14528684]

>>14528086
3 new stamps, procured from my mom's old stamp collection from the 80's. 2 new countries; West-Germany and France.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1OC571PY-_g8JMkTr7cQvZQ6SShAhdOgb?usp=sharing

[Anonymous No.14528695]

>>14528684
The Erdfunkstelle Earth communications satellite dish in Raisting Germany

[Anonymous No.14528705]

>>14528695
And a Space Shuttle stamp

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/11IPkByv9XSvnV7eN6md7jhhsjGVRCPcn?usp=sharing

[Anonymous No.14528711]

>>14528321
>Every bygone Venus surface mission proposal has supposed that their design will be energy poor and thus unable to pull off active cooling. This proposal says fuck that, kilowatts of continuous power, active cooling = thousands of hours of probe life easy, and by the way the thing flies so if the heat pump can't keep up it can just move to a higher, colder layer of atmosphere periodically to dump excess heat.

That's fucking awesome, this is the kind of ambition and bold design that Starship enables, fucking love it

[Anonymous No.14528713]

>>14528665
there isn't much resistance, so they won't really slow down
even if they just use the ion thrusters to the orbit of saturn and no further, it could add an additional 15 km/s in speed overall, or around 3 au/year. combined with hydrazine thrusters and a jupiter gravity assist, you could get a craft going something like 35 km/s in total, more than twice as fast as the voyagers.
that means you could get them out there in less than half the time, and get them much, much further before the power supply eventually runs out. nuclear batteries like those don't degrade based on how much you use them, they degrade based solely on time. so the faster you go, the more distance you can cover before the battery goes out

[Anonymous No.14528748]

>>14524097
>Cooming
>It will also give us immediate access to all archived information.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainstorm_(1983_film)#Plot
>"One team member, Gordy, has sexual intercourse while wearing the recorder, and shares the tape with colleagues, including Hal. Hal splices one section of the tape into a continuous orgasm, which results in sensory overload, leading to his forced retirement. Tensions increase as the possibilities for abuse become clear. "
>"Suffering from heart problems and a constant cigarette smoker, Lillian suffers a heart attack while working alone. Realizing she is about to die, Lillian records her experience.Michael later decides to experience Lillian's recording, but nearly dies when his body simulates a heart attack."
Fuggg X:DDDDD

[Anonymous No.14528761]

>>14528711
Plus it absolutely humiliates the Venera landers. Anything that makes Rogozin do pic/vid related is good.
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1653926039323.webm

[Anonymous No.14528778]

>>14528761
>implying this will ever happen
lol

[Anonymous No.14528788]

>>14528713
>7 AU/year
Wouldn't that take around 38,000 years to reach Proxima Centauri? I don't see any remotely realistic option for an interstellar probes besides small laser sail probes with sub-gram atomic batteries and even that would require like a 100 GW laser.
>inb4 just throw nuclear bombs from your spacecraft, bro

[Anonymous No.14528793]

test

[Anonymous No.14528801]

>>14528788
Interstellar travel is so far into the future that It's practically pointless to talk about it before near to faster than FTL speeds are somehow achievable
In the meantime, the furthest we can think of now is some TNO probe/orbiter with SS

[Anonymous No.14528802]

>>14528788
Ol' boomboom only has an Isp of about 3000 seconds. That's laser thermal material, not laser sail.

[Anonymous No.14528814]

once the voyager probe is about to run out of power, is it possible for NASA to say "fuck it", shut down all the currently running instruments, and cycle through the disabled but still-functioning instruments that they shut off years ago in order to conserve energy?
i know it sounds pointless, but for most of those instruments, they have never been used in interstellar space before. i know the PLS and PPS are too fucked up to re-enable, but imagine what kind of data we could get from the radio science system or IRIS/UVS in interstellar space. also, they might have lost most of the software for it, but imagine if they could find a way to briefly turn the imaging system back on and get pictures from 160 AU out.
it would be amazing to get that kind of data, would be much nicer to see voyager go out like that rather that just slowly shutting down each system at a time and going out with a whimper in 2025-ish

[Anonymous No.14528817]

Interstellar travel lacks the soul of the realism brought by the limitations of our current technologies

[Anonymous No.14528826]

>>14528788
i'm not talking about interstellar probes here, i'm just talking about stuff that would let us explore and catalogue the outer solar system in much greater detail. imagine a few hundred voyager-like probes going at 7AU/year in all directions and coordinating with earth and space telescopes to do flybys and collect data on thousands of TNOs, ETNOs, and sednoids

[Anonymous No.14528829]

>>14528814
Somehow I feel like even that is too ambitious/unorthodox/too "risky" for NASA

I recall Carl Sagan having to almost fight the team at JPL to convince them to take the Pale Blue Dot photo as they were about to shut off Voyager's cameras

And for Cassini, a "public engagement camera" was almost not included, it was an afterthought.

Though I think NASA understands their importance now and Ingeunity shows a more risk tolerance than before so maybe they would do something cool like that if the instruments still work and all. A last hail-mary photo from 125 AU of our system would be so cool

[Anonymous No.14528834]

>>14528814
Yeah im kinda curious if the camera still works
>>14528829
>And for Cassini, a "public engagement camera" was almost not included, it was an afterthought.
did you mean Juno?

[Anonymous No.14528840]

>>14528829
>Carl Sagan having to almost fight the team at JPL to convince them to take the Pale Blue Dot photo as they were about to shut off Voyager's cameras
The absolute state if true

[Anonymous No.14528850]

>>14528829
NASA rushing at the last minute to try and find the software for it, get it running and get the instrument to work on voyager to take a final series of pictures would be kino
it'll actually be at around 165 AU by 2025 when it runs out of power. imagine "the furthest picture ever taken"
but yeah, i can't help but feel the same way. i feel like NASA will just pussy out, even though the science they could perform with those instruments would be extremely valuable, and the PR would be enormous.

[Anonymous No.14528851]

>>14528814
I think when a Voyager dies it might just go out instantly without warning, so really they face the following problem
1. Do you cycle through the instruments at a random point in time, maybe even before the power could run out, potentially causing the probe to die out before its time?
2. Or do you just hope for the best and wait for the probe to die naturally, missing out on data, but keeping the 40-year long mission alive a little longer
3. You have two probes, maybe just cycle the other and wait with the second

[Anonymous No.14528858]

Speaking of Voyager what's going on with Voyager 1 and erratic data

[Anonymous No.14528862]

>>14528858
It passed out of physics-loading range

[Anonymous No.14528863]

>>14528858
McCulloch is asking for a copy of the raw data to see if there's QI fuckery afoot but NASA told him no.

[Anonymous No.14528872]

>>14528851
Maybe we wouldn't have to face this dilemma if we had like hundreds of probes in a similar situation to the Voyagers instead of just two.

[Anonymous No.14528875]

>>14528872
Keep in mind that ground stations are limited, and you'd have to track and follow all the data.
Sure, a probe every 5 years or so would probably be manageable, but hundreds is a full kerbal solution with no practical possibility

[Anonymous No.14528890]

>>14528875
>hundreds is a full kerbal solution with no practical possibility
Where's that Shotwell quote about people needing to think about a post-Starship world? I was only half kidding in >>14528606.

[Anonymous No.14528891]

>>14528851
at the very least, i'd try and get the software required to re-enable and run the various disabled instruments on both probes ready
as far as the first question and second questions, i would without a doubt cycle through the instruments of voyager 1 as soon as it becomes possible to do so. the observations from those instruments, which have never been run in interstellar space before, are far more scientifically than a couple more years of data from the same instruments that have been taking interstellar measurements for an entire decade now.
cycling through the instruments does pose a risk of total system failure, but as you point out, at this point there's always a chance of random total system failure even without cycling through. this could be one of only two chances to get measurements from instruments like those in interstellar space for many, many decades
as far as question number three, i wouldn't mess with voyager 2 at all, at least, until it's ABOUT to run out of power. the reason why being that voyager 2's plasma spectrometer is still running and working right now, whereas voyager 1's is busted. voyager 2 has all of voyager 1's working instruments and then some, so while risking voyager 1 is bad, it's significantly better than risking voyager 2

[Anonymous No.14528901]

>>14528875
>ground stations are limited
build more
>you'd have to track and follow all the data
hire more people
it's that easy

[Anonymous No.14528909]

>>14528829
>And for Cassini, a "public engagement camera" was almost not included, it was an afterthought.
We really ought to make a list of all the examples of NASA being awful at pr

[Anonymous No.14528911]

Elon was right btw

[Anonymous No.14528918]

>>14528911
about?

[Anonymous No.14528923]

>>14528918
about details of his purchase

[Anonymous No.14528935]

>>14528923
can you be a bit more specific
twitter?

[Anonymous No.14528940]

>>14528935
yes

[Anonymous No.14528945]

>>14528935
>purchase
He's gonna buy the Earth?

[Anonymous No.14528946]

>>14528814
I love those probes like you wouldn't believe.

[Anonymous No.14528953]

>>14528946
TAKE THE PICTURE

[Anonymous No.14528954]

please, god, tell me we're getting a third new horizons flyby
i really hope that JWST can help find additional targets for NH to do flybys of, while it still has the fuel for course corrections. it would be really lame if we missed the chance

[Anonymous No.14528958]

>>14528438
Noise is the biggest concern for animals.

[Anonymous No.14528959]

>>14528945
Earth is a bit too much, he should buy some African country near the equator, or just an island.

[Anonymous No.14528963]

https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1531330704381984768

> Still early stages on that. Getting Starship reliably to orbit, then achieving full & immediate reusability of both stages is by far top priority.

So they are working on colonization stuff a bit on the backround, but I guess musk is not using any attention on it

[Anonymous No.14528965]

>>14528901
>budget balloons exponentially
It really is that expensive
>>14528891
I don't doubt that it's the software that would ever be an issue, but another thing to consider is the upload and download speeds at that distance. It would take months to transmit even a simple image (which it can't since the system used film and it's all gone by now). The transmit speeds for Voyager 2 is 160 bits per second, and that was 3 years ago, it's even lower now.
You'd probably have to do some workarounds to get the data crushed down or simplified to get it back in any reasonable amount of time

[Anonymous No.14528970]

>>14528963
You have to walk before you can run

[Anonymous No.14528976]

>>14528954
I want newhorizons for Eris, bro

[Anonymous No.14528978]

>>14528909
PR really isn't too important for NASA, since their budget comes mainly from the scientific goals that they reach. They have gotten a lot better at it since their dark ages of 199X-201X or so, Junocam is entirely off-project and is decoded by volunteers.

[Anonymous No.14528989]

NASA is shit at PR. They think the public fears failure, but the public actually doesn’t mind failure as long as there’s inspiration. SpaceX still wins hearts and minds despite blowing up a dozen Starships because they have a dream, and we’re a part of it too. NASA wants to put 2 people on Mars who are not you and me. SpaceX wants average people to be able to go to space. That’s NASA’s issue. If NASA set out to build a reusable rocket say, 20 years ago, and promised that all of us could go, I guarantee people wouldn’t be so disillusioned with them

On that note, aside from starship-style, what reusable rocket designs could actually work? Dolphin-sex shuttle?

[Anonymous No.14528994]

>>14528965
Actually to correct myself, Voyagers didn't use film, they used a modified TV camera with a whopping resolution of 800x800 µm pixels.
Most likely these sensors are long dead after 32 years of inactivity and radiation, likely too energy intensive to be activated for even a single scan.

[Anonymous No.14528995]

>>14528963
In an alternate universe, Bezos is far less homosexual and busy working in parallel to develop, build, and coordinate optimal payloads for the first two hundred Starships.

[Anonymous No.14528997]

>>14528989
NASA has more to fear with their history, SpaceX has never lost a single crew member, NASA has a catastrophic list of 17 names.
It's strange how the meme goes that everything Soviet is poor quality and dangerous, when the Soviets only ever killed four cosmonauts in total

[Anonymous No.14528998]

>>14528963
makes sense
starship is the foundation of the whole plan
colonization plans are worthless if you can't get there in the first place

[Anonymous No.14529001]

>>14528978
>PR really isn't too important for NASA, since their budget comes mainly from the scientific goals that they reach.
I'm thinking mainly of examples like Apollo 11's horrendous last minute slapped together television broadcast. I'm sure people being able to actually see what was happening on the Moon when they still gave a shit would have helped stave off the immediate evaporation of public interest in the space program. It just sometimes feels like NASA is determined to make spaceflight seem like the most dull, uninteresting thing ever

[Anonymous No.14529006]

>>14528963
Elon Musk is all about saving humanity, going to Mars is just one part of that. Imminent nuclear war with China is a more immediate threat to humanity, and certainly a serious threat to his plans. Therefore, colony development can wait, the rockets come first because the rockets are dual-use technology that will be used to protect America in a nuclear war with China, or even better, prevent that war from occurring in the first place.

[Anonymous No.14529008]

>>14528976
someday. the problem with all of this stuff is that it takes place over decades and decades and decades. even if they decided today to go all-in on an eris probe, the planning and construction time, launch windows and sheer distance would mean it would take 25 years at least. in reality, they don't give much of a fuck about eris so they're unlikely to send anything to do a flyby of it, even as a secondary mission, for many decades.
unless probes and spaceflight get vastly cheaper and more efficient in general (i'm talkin a 10 or 20-fold improvement), it might be 80 years until an eris flyby. we will most likely be dead by then.

[Anonymous No.14529012]

>>14528940
K

[Anonymous No.14529014]

>>14529001
Space often has to be dumbed down for the wider demographic, imagine if they were catered to an audience who knew their shit. It would be awesome for anyone invested in spaceflight, but it could likely alienate outside viewers looking to get into spaceflight.
I guess we have some kind of a solution today, with official streams being for the wide demographic, and smaller streamers being focused on the details

[Anonymous No.14529020]

>>14528989
Not just NASA, its general USG culture of fear of public failure that is really holding us back https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/02/03/america-led-hypersonic-technology-then-other-countries-sped-past/
>Air Force Gen. John E. Hyten tried to explain this paradox to a group of defense writers back in October, when he was preparing to retire as vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. A fundamental problem, he said, was the military’s aversion to failure. Early tests of cruise missiles that could fly at speeds of Mach 20 — 20 times the speed of sound — weren’t successful. As a result, the technology became toxic.

Whats ironic is that some of the best tech was fraught with failures before finally fixed and working flawlessly since but they tend to forget that and expect no failure as the default after being used to many successes

[Anonymous No.14529025]

>>14528963
To be fair that was a very narrow question and the complexity of power-to-methane is often overestimated. Audi already has a plant about the size of what's needed for a small Mars colony. Returning from Mars should be considered an afterthought, there are plenty of people willing to go to Mars even if there's no guarantee they'll be back within 10 years.

[Anonymous No.14529026]

>>14528863
Lel. Grifters gona grift. "Something unexpanded happened therefore QI". If he was at all serious he would come up with a hypothesis first. You can always look at the answer and then wave your hands to explain it, the difficult bit is actual prediction.

[Anonymous No.14529028]

Yeah, NASA has poor PR, but I very liked this video. It was made under Jim's administration.
https://youtu.be/vl6jn-DdafM
It's much better than this one.
https://youtu.be/bmC-FwibsZg

[Anonymous No.14529030]

>>14528978
Junocam is a step in the right direction. I wish only they would sacrifice a little bit of science to do a big thing for PR. For example Curiosity could make an actual video roving around and moving its arm. They could also make a little timelapse with Junocam where we can see the craft moving relative to Jupiter.

[Anonymous No.14529037]

Dragonfly will take 24h to download 1 mb. Just look at this tiny antenna at the distance of Saturn

[Anonymous No.14529045]

>>14529037
Why not just send a bigger helicopter to Mars?

[Anonymous No.14529047]

>>14528959
>he should buy some African country near the equator, or just an island.
why not both?

[Anonymous No.14529057]

>>14529047
>buy some country
Not that easy in private entities buying their own countries. UN prevents it

[Anonymous No.14529058]

>>14529045
and maybe some brushes too?

[Anonymous No.14529060]

>>14529047
Why not Sealand 2.0 with the oil rigs?

[Anonymous No.14529074]

>>14529047
This is arguably the best run African country around. Probably because the people have a lot of Portuguese blood (Africans never discovered this island themselves, the Portuguese found it utterly uninhabited in the 15th century.) The Roman Catholicism probably helps.

[Anonymous No.14529077]

>>14529060
Marshall Savage was right.

[Anonymous No.14529082]

>>14529077
what are the 8 steps?

[Anonymous No.14529097]

>>14529082
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Millennial_Project

Step 2 is seasteading as a way to develop and battle test closed ecosystems. I think Savage is wrong about the Mars-Earth cyclers, and I think some of his steps should be in different orders, but I believe he's got the right general idea.

[Anonymous No.14529099]

>>14528989
>see pic related
>A wild HyperSoar appeared

[Anonymous No.14529100]

>>14529077
checked & based
>>14529082
see for yourself https://b-ok.cc/book/627150/834333

[Anonymous No.14529124]

>>14529030
>They could also make a little timelapse with Junocam where we can see the craft moving relative to Jupiter.
Done already, over a million views too. Looks incredible

https://youtu.be/CC7OJ7gFLvE

[Anonymous No.14529129]

>>14529124
Though technically it's a 3d animation with images projected onto it, but it's the best you can do with JunoCam since Juno is spin stabilized. A video would get pretty nauseating very quickly, that is if JunoCam can take video.

[Anonymous No.14529135]

>>14529045
its hard to explore Titan from the surface of Mars

[Anonymous No.14529139]

>>14529060
That is what will happen, it removes the need for the launch site to be located on a natural gas pipeline or near a deep water port that can host LNG carriers. The only regulations that apply in international water are the regulations of wherever the ship/platform is registered.
>>14529047
The performance gain of launching near the equator isn't worth operating from a shithole country, SpaceX won't even launch out of South America, let alone Africa. The Guiana Space Centre has a launch site ready to go now that non-domestic Soyuz launches have been halted and it would strengthen ties with ESA.

[Anonymous No.14529145]

>>14528994
couldn't hurt to test it out
the backup hydrazine thrusters surprisingly worked, might as well check even if it takes a few days and requires some instrument to be shut down during that duration
i understand it's risky, but the PR could unironically net NASA billions over the years

[Anonymous No.14529155]

>On 21 March 2017, the launch of an Ariane 5 rocket carrying a Brazilian satellite and a South Korean satellite was prevented due to protesters and workers on strike from the CSG blockading the centre. Further strikes and occupation of the space centre meant that the satellites were not launched until May 2017.
>Negotiations between the French government and Guianese protesters resulted in a rejection of a €1.1 billion offer made by the French, with the Guianese demanding at least €3 billion in aid
The audacity of these subhumans when the spaceport is responsible for around 15% of French Guiana’s GDP.

[Anonymous No.14529156]

>>14529124
>>14529129
Yeah that animation is done made from a a few pictures, though some people seem to think the video is an actual video and the title kinda implies is. NASA being deceptive is a topic for another time. These animations couldnt do a real video justices, the clouds are in 3d. Junocam could take a picture every few hours to create a time-lapse though there would be some issues as the solar panels always have to be pointed toward the sun and the camera is fixed to the spacecraft.

[Anonymous No.14529163]

>>14529155
>how dare they demand better conditions

[Anonymous No.14529173]

>>14529163
>How dare the 1% of that country take payoffs from foreign labor unions to hamstring a space program when the entire country depends on the spaceport and its future operations
Yes, now go back to R*ddit.

[Anonymous No.14529183]

>>14529155
FG is rather fucked. They're in the European Union which makes it very expensive to import from their neighbours and they're a long way from the rest of the EU. Prices are high for South America, comparable to Europe. There is huge unemployment because they get French benefits.

[Anonymous No.14529199]

Powerful. Next we just have to unionize SpaceX and get them to operate within a postcolonial mindset so we don't perpetuate imperialism and the narrative of colonial space exploration as fundamental to the assumed human nature :^)

[Anonymous No.14529256]

>And then there’s Gwynne Shotwell (Independent Advisor to the Board), whom fans of commercial space will immediately recognize as the President and Chief Operations Officer (COO) of SpaceX, and a member of their Board of Directors.

ummm BASED!??!?!

https://www.universetoday.com/155995/the-dream-of-faster-than-light-ftl-travel-dr-harold-sonny-white-and-limitless-space/

[Anonymous No.14529269]

>>14529199
Mauna Kea observatories are going next

[Anonymous No.14529275]

>>14529269
they just need a push

[Anonymous No.14529277]

>>14529256
Don't fall for this shit. Do you not remember his EM drive shit? Or how about his warp interferometer? No, I'm sure his new latest scam will totally work out.

[Anonymous No.14529279]

>>14529277
Thank you, FBI, very cool.

[Anonymous No.14529281]

>>14528547
>what's the point of sending solar sail probes and other super high velocity probes beyond the solar system right now?
Solar sails are currently the best way to send automated seed ships to terrestrial planets.

[Anonymous No.14529365]

>>14529279
nonsensical reply, take your meds.

[Anonymous No.14529392]

>>14529047
unironically the most stable place both environmentally and politically to build an offshore space elevator.

[Anonymous No.14529408]

>>14529392
>space elevator
>in the water
Hell no, build it in the mountains near the Eye of Sahara

[Anonymous No.14529416]

>>14529392
Dangerously susceptible to attack from enemy aircraft and associated super-weapons.

[Anonymous No.14529426]

/sfg/ science fiction general

[Anonymous No.14529428]

>need to get starship re-usable before sending people to mars
how long is that going to take?

[Anonymous No.14529430]

>>14529428
FSD will be ready this year

[Anonymous No.14529432]

>>14529430
xDDD

[Anonymous No.14529437]

>>14529428
this is obviously not going to be the constraint. the contstraint is the ship being reliable enough and having the ISRU capability on Mars to bring everyone back again if need be.

[Anonymous No.14529438]

>>14529430
speaking of this FSD is pretty neat and mostly works now

[Anonymous No.14529439]

>>14529437
>bring everyone back
we are in the age of reusable ships and expendable crew now

[Anonymous No.14529446]

>>14529438
>FSD is pretty neat
Agree
>and mostly works now
Cope

[Anonymous No.14529452]

>>14529446
i mean i just threw fsd on youtube and i am seeing plenty of vids where its working most of the time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NU3AN9z4rw

[Anonymous No.14529460]

>>14529392
The temperature consistency there is absolutely absurd. Good if you want to avoid issues with material expansion and contraction. The humidity however is absolutely brutal.

[Anonymous No.14529469]

SpaceX engineers have been working hard behind the scenes during the FAA slowdown and believed to have solved all potential issues with cryo-refueling in microgravity. Dear Moon by Q2 '23.
t. insider

[Anonymous No.14529472]

Why is VASMIR so controversial? Isn’t it just an ion engine?

[Anonymous No.14529473]

>>14529452
>implying this is the bar for FSD
There is 1.5 fatal crashes for every 100,000,000 miles traveled.
They are literally multiple orders of magnitude off.
Also the Tesla comparisons of autopilot crashes compared to human crashes are a scam because autopilot makes tons of mistakes that would lead to a crash if people didnt intervene, especially when not highway driving.

[Anonymous No.14529475]

>>14529469
>believed to have solved all potential issues
we all think that at first, we are all wrong

[Anonymous No.14529476]

>>14529469
SpaceX likes to iterate with feedback from real world experience. It must have been annoying for them to have to shift to doing only theoretical analysis.

[Anonymous No.14529486]

>>14529472
I personally hate it because its been hyped for years as the thing that will revolutionize spaceflight with still nothing to show for it. Hearing the name gives be PTSD to the blackpilled days of the late aughts-early 10s, which I admit isn't exactly a good reason but I don't care

[Anonymous No.14529500]

>>14529460
Humidity is fine. Just don't fuck up your NTO valves.

[Anonymous No.14529520]

at this point my typing/speaking style might be somewhat recognizable as "the guy with the retarded space ideas" but i'm legit wondering- is there anything (aside from potential cost) stopping us from just building a giant mirror array in space and using it to concentrate and redirect sunlight to power distant probes? i know it obviously dissipates over extremely long distances, but if you could concentrate it by just 1000-ish times, you would be able to give a probe as far as pluto a greater degree of solar energy than we receive on earth.
juno proved that a spacecraft can operate indefinitely with just solar panels, as far out as jupiter's orbit, so only around 4% of earth's sunlight. that means you could power a probe requiring roughly the energy of juno at more than 750 AU out. if you needed, you could even put solar batteries on the probe so that when it gets beyond the range where it can operate constantly, you could still power it up by sending the beam to charge it up over the course of a few days, then let it run off battery power for a day or two, and cycle between those.
even if you could only concentrate it a tenth as much, that'd still mean you could have solar-powered probes operating constantly at nearly twice the distance of pluto, and on-and-off for far further
would starship make a project like that feasible?

[Anonymous No.14529522]

>>14529520
>"the guy with the retarded space ideas"
no that's me

[Anonymous No.14529523]

How long until commercial space manufacturing is viable?

[Anonymous No.14529526]

>>14529392
How geologically stable is it? I used to think Cayambe would be a good place to anchor a space elevator but as a former volcano, it's probably not a great choice, even if it is literally rock solid.

[Anonymous No.14529527]

>>14529523
>Boeing logo
That'll be a quadrillion dollars, plus tip.

[Anonymous No.14529533]

>>14529527
quintillion*

[Anonymous No.14529535]

>>14529523
>commercial
if by that you mean making goods that can be sold on earth then never.
if you mean making that could be used in space then its viable the momement spacex starts selling starship flights.

[Anonymous No.14529537]

>>14529535
*making goods
*the moment

[Anonymous No.14529540]

>>14529535
The novelty of anything manufactured in space could make it economically viable to make some trinkets though the price would quickly drop as exclusivity dropped, which then could make it no longer economically viable.

[Anonymous No.14529558]

I’m hindsight, would it be better for SpaceX to get some more flight data on Raptor 2?
>Ship 24 hypersonic flight
>Booster 7 static fire campaign
>Booster 8 does a “hop” to test Superheavy in flight
Only go to orbit once extra data on Raptor 2 is present, etc.

[Anonymous No.14529560]

>>14529535
>making goods that can be sold on earth then never.
there are some niche applications where 0g manifacturing might actually be worth the trip
https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/research/news/b4h-3rd/eds-mis-building-better-optical-fiber/

[Anonymous No.14529567]

>>14529558
Hi hindsight

[Anonymous No.14529578]

>>14529558
How is that hindsight?
And no, just fuckin send 'er bud.

[Anonymous No.14529595]

Any shot Locksneed Martin actually builds their reusable concept rocket? If Starship works it’s gonna leave everyone in the dust, spacex and starship need competition. The Chinese are building their starship clone, I don’t know why an other American manufacturers are doing so as well

[Anonymous No.14529599]

>>14529578
What if it fails? SpaceX has not had a failed mission for a few years and 100+ launches now
>Booster 7 fucking explodes at Max Q
>John Insprucker awkwardly thanks the SpaceX team before closing the webcast

[Anonymous No.14529602]

>>14528648
>the problem isn't how long the isotope lasts
It kinda is, you're just arguing about scale of power source at this point. Build a bigger RTG.

[Anonymous No.14529605]

>>14529595
Lockheed’s vehicle is cool but it sucks as anything other than a Mars vehicle. It had 6 km/s of delta V with less than 5 tons of payload. It can’t even make Earth orbit from Falcon 9’s MECO velocity.

[Anonymous No.14529621]

>>14528074

Wasn't her EVA just pointless mucking around with tools? She said as much herself.

[Anonymous No.14529627]

>>14528989
>On that note, aside from starship-style, what reusable rocket designs could actually work? Dolphin-sex shuttle?
Venture Star
I will never stop being mad

[Anonymous No.14529628]

>>14529599
Oldspace brain

[Anonymous No.14529632]

>>14529135
ok Roger Irrelevant.
But literally it would be easier to explore Titan from the surface of Mars, than from the surface of Earth, for several reasons. Less escape velocity to get off the Martian surface; less delta-V to get from a Mars orbit to a Saturn intercept, even without considering possible grav-assists from Venus and Earth and Jupiter. Also if there's a telescope on Deimos or Phobos it can see Titan with more clarity than can Webb at STL2.

[Anonymous No.14529633]

>>14529621
IIRC it was the first time that anything had been welded in space, basically just test welds and nothing mission critical

[Anonymous No.14529635]

>>14529139
Also worth pointing out is that most launches go west-to-east. If a launch goes RUD from South Texas or from east FL, the debris hits water. A RUD from Sao Tome might hit some mud hut in Zaire. Suddenly all the white roasties in the world are crying about black lives (which matter).

[Anonymous No.14529646]

Wtf I just found out Japan is building a starship clone… for the 2040s!!!!

SpaceX will be on fucking Pluto by then

https://twitter.com/tobyliiiiiiiiii/status/1368259694645551104?s=20&t=AISA1fAockZ2gupzhV7IfQ

[Anonymous No.14529649]

>>14529646
Good for them I guess. It’s not like ESA is close. Seriously how hard is it to make a reusable rocket?

[Anonymous No.14529653]

>>14529633
they didn't test welding

[Anonymous No.14529654]

>>14529392
>space elevator
This is a not-gonna-happen. The geosync is NGH because it requires unobtanium rope. The Birch orbital ring in LEO is NGH because fuck off, nobody in the tropics is accepting a massive sun-blocking eyesore up above.
In short, your meds are getting lonely, please give them some attention

[Anonymous No.14529657]

>>14528959
Elon should read Artemis by Andy Weir and take notes.
Find some african nation on the east coast (Kenya in the novel) and offer to pump money into their economy building their infrastructure in exchange for allowing launches from there with an agreement to not interfere with red tape.

[Anonymous No.14529658]

>>14529653
>On July 25, 1984, Savitskaya became the first woman to spacewalk, conducting EVA outside the Salyut 7 space station for 3 hours and 35 minutes, during which she cut and welded metals in space along with her colleague Vladimir Dzhanibekov.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svetlana_Savitskaya#Second_flight:_Soyuz_T-12

[Anonymous No.14529659]

>>14529654
>The Birch orbital ring in LEO is NGH because fuck off, nobody in the tropics is accepting a massive sun-blocking eyesore up above.
This is why when Isaac Arthur or other futurists talk about orbital rings on Earth I cringe hard, not everyone subscribes to these ideas and obstructionists will ensure shit will not happen, not to mention all the people it would impact directly like you said

We already have astronomers bitching about all the satellites, just wait till large orbital stations 10x the size of ISS start populating LEO lmao...

[Anonymous No.14529679]

>>14529659
I hate that fag.

[Anonymous No.14529697]

>>14529658
look at the actual tests they did
the russians completely botched it
and nasa bothered to test it themselves

[Anonymous No.14529704]

Krystal pissing

[Anonymous No.14529708]

>>14529697
Everything that I can find points at there being no problems with the test whatsoever

[Anonymous No.14529712]

>>14529472
No it's an electric plasma engine, which is fundamentally different. It uses microwaves to ionize gas and heat the resulting plasma a bunch then a magnetic nozzle to direct the resulting very hot plasma out of the interior of the engine.
An ion drive on the other hand produces ions from a gas then passes the ions between two grids held at a huge voltage. The ions repel against the first grid, but as soon as they pass it they are attracted to the second plate while the first still repels them, resulting in huge acceleration. The now very fast ions on the other side of the second grid slow down slightly as they're still attracted to that grid, but electrons from an electron gun swiftly neutralize the ions, leaving them free to zip away at close to 100% of their peak velocity.
Issues with plasma thrusters are efficient heating of the plasma and thermal management among other things, plus they are power hogs.
Issues with ion thrusters are rapidity and effectiveness of ion neutralization (trying to keep the exhaust velocity as close to peak velocity as possible) and also physical erosion of electrodes (as ion smashing into them at tens, even hundreds of kilometers per second has a non-zero effect over many many weeks of constant use).
Also there's actually many ion drive types but they all share the same basic mechanism of "make ions, electromagentically accelerate them", whereas plasma drives are "make extremely super hot plasma, let it accelerate itself". They're different because . . . they just are okay??

[Anonymous No.14529718]

>>14529500
>NTO propelled space elevator climbers

[Anonymous No.14529724]

>>14528398
I am not trained or experienced in plumbing. It's just not that easy in employmentry.

[Anonymous No.14529728]

>>14529520
Better off using big solar arrays near the Sun to generate power to feed into laser arrays that beam power wherever. Lasers experience much less in terms of beam spreading than any mirror reflection of a typical light source, and also you can tune your laser array to produce the wavelength that your best photovoltaics absorb most efficiently (for example, modern panels absorb reddish light the best I think, I dunno I'm retarded). Anyway you definitely want to turn Mercury into a Dyson swarm of power satellites firing sustained output petawatt lasers into the solar system for delivering energy to various spacecraft and human settlements and such.

[Anonymous No.14529731]

>>14529526
>How geologically stable is it?
>ice on top
It's not stable, simple as.

[Anonymous No.14529735]

>>14529392
I wouldn't call france "enviromentally and politically stable"

[Anonymous No.14529736]

>>14529599
What would a few hop tests validate that would ensure the engine will continue to perform during max Q? What even makes you think engines get stressed during max Q? Max Q is just the moment at which reductions in drag force due to increasing altitude win over increases in drag force due to vehicle acceleration, meaning the drag force and thus dynamic loads on the vehicle have peaked.

[Anonymous No.14529737]

dubs and faa delays review till june 30

[Anonymous No.14529739]

>>14529599
>What if it fails?
Then they launch another prototype. It's not a Falcon 9 dumbass. Starships crashing last year had no effect on Falcons either.

[Anonymous No.14529743]

>>14529627
It would not work unless it was modified into a dolphin sex rocket.

[Anonymous No.14529744]

>>14529737
I'm expecting them to delay it and then release it well before the next deadline

[Anonymous No.14529745]

>>14529595
>Any shot Locksneed Martin actually builds their reusable concept rocket?
0% chance

[Anonymous No.14529749]

>>14529654
>nobody in the tropics is accepting a massive sun-blocking eyesore up above.
It would be an almost invisible line in the sky and would not cast any noticeable shadow on the ground, anon. Also the thoughts and feelings of people who live near the equator are irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.14529753]

>>14529657
Launching from the equator does not provide worthwhile performance gains unless you are going to GEO and would otherwise need to subtract inclination along the way. If you are going to the Moon it doesn't matter and if you are going to Mars it matters even less.

[Anonymous No.14529755]

>14529737
>737
what's boing up to

[Anonymous No.14529760]

I normally wouldn’t care too bad about a FAA delay but we’ve been blueballed by Eric Berger this time so if it still delays I’ll be mad

[Anonymous No.14529761]

>>14529708
>trusting official ussr sources
ohnononnoo

[Anonymous No.14529762]

Abolish the FAA and FBI entirely

[Anonymous No.14529765]

>>14529520
>by just 1000ish times
No, you can't get it hotter than the blackbody temperature of the sun with passive reflection. Use cheap inner-system power to fuel lasers instead like
>>14529728

[Anonymous No.14529767]

>>14529737
>>14529744
>>14529760
when is it supposed to come out, anyway? may 31? or is that when they're supposed to start doing it?

[Anonymous No.14529768]

>>14529767
Typically it gets delayed a day or so before it’s announced, but it hasn’t happened yet. It’s due may 31st so it’s looking like we should get it tommorow

[Anonymous No.14529773]

>>14528802
Lol no

[Anonymous No.14529775]

>>14529768
>>14529767
Tbh all of the other approvals aside from the final FAA report are done. So odds are good this time.

[Anonymous No.14529777]

>>14528200
>>14529775

[Anonymous No.14529778]

>>14529724
There are some easy postings in Food Services: https://www.spacex.com/careers/?department=Food%2520Services

Imagine washing dishes at Boca Chica for a few years, then getting to wash them on Mars. Wow!

[Anonymous No.14529779]

>>14529775
its not that easy in paperworkery

[Anonymous No.14529791]

>>14529778
I wash dishes and I don't have a GED, been doing it for several years and I'm pretty sure I could wash their dishes too. Lower the standard Elon, I'm not engineering your dirty dishes just scrubbing them.

[Anonymous No.14529794]

>>14529791
>I wash dishes and I don't have a GED
Ah, then this might be more your speed: https://blueorigin.wd5.myworkdayjobs.com/BlueOrigin?jobFamilyGroup=5f32d2b8465201e1dd6f274338179145

[Anonymous No.14529824]

>>14529472
VASMIR is old NASA technology that was privatized and it has hung around for decades without much progress so that has irked a lot of people. However, most of the controversy surrounding it is because the creator of it, former astronaut Franklin Chang Diaz, made a claim that it could transit Mars in 39 days which pissed off Zubrin to the point he challenged him to a debate, booked a venue, and gave a Thunderf00t tier presentation on how much it sucks after the guy just ignored him, lol. It's not useless, neither is it a scam, it's just other types of electric propulsion are more efficient and have more thrust per kW. It's worse than technology already operating in space today like the NEXT thruster on DART.

[Anonymous No.14529833]

>>14529824
VASIMR also requires like a 200MW nuclear reactor and a bunch of superconducting magnets to have decent performance kek. It's like the castrated form of a fusion engine's plasma nozzle only you're trying to use a fission engine and electric heating to get it. Sheared flow Z-pinch humiliates VASIMR on every single metric and is just as close to flying.

[Anonymous No.14529847]

>>14529833
>>14529824
Honestly it seems like chemical + aero capture is king for mars, at least for now

[Anonymous No.14529851]

>>14529847
Almost like Elon knows what he's doing, huh? Chemical with aerobraking is fucking ridiculously OP for Venus, Earth, and Mars. You need fusion for a real upgrade.

[Anonymous No.14529854]

soyuz stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6JoBfl412k

[Anonymous No.14529859]

>>14529731
Sorry, I wasn't clear in that post. I was asking about the geological stability of the island of São Tomé and Príncipe.

[Anonymous No.14529860]

>>14529851
Yeah. People like to shill nuclear propulsion but nuclear without aero capture sucks ass.

[Anonymous No.14529862]

>>14529595
One of the big benefits of Starship is that it's a simple stainless steel cylinder, at least simple in comparison to oldspace designs.

[Anonymous No.14529866]

>>14529472
its taken it 20+ years to get to this point, it was considered vaporware for a long time

[Anonymous No.14529867]

>>14529860
That's why Z-pinch fusion spaceplane SSTOs are the ultimate way to get around the system.
>launch some place inoffensive
>refill LH2/water/whatever in low orbit
>off you go to anywhere from Venus to Saturn
>aerobrake on arrival to reduce propellant budget
>land inert/safed
>refill
>launch
>refill in low orbit
>return to Earth
>aerobrake from TEI vector plus propulsive braking to survivable velocity
>engine is inert/safed on reentry minimizing risk of fallout

[Anonymous No.14529868]

>>14529595
how does it reenter? does it also do the powered flip at the end?

[Anonymous No.14529869]

>>14529867
>spaceplane
kek wrong

[Anonymous No.14529870]

>>14529646
Its old. /sfg/ even has bunch of images of the Starship/Falcon9 clones we compiled months ago

[Anonymous No.14529881]

>>14529851
Lithobraking Venus probe/pressure vessel mission with camera onboard filming Venus entry and descent when

[Anonymous No.14529885]

>>14529867
Based, make good use of those atmospheres

[Anonymous No.14529888]

In how many hours will the FAAggots release the fonsi?

[Anonymous No.14529892]

>>14529881
Lithobraking on Venus is impossible because the atmosphere is so thick. Venera lander EDL parachutes were like the size of F9 gridfins proportionally.

[Anonymous No.14529894]

>>14529892
I mean lithoslam, with a heavily shielded payload that survives the impact

[Anonymous No.14529900]

What is the over-under for the time of the announcement tomorrow? Last person hits "send" on their way out so they don't have to take any calls?

[Anonymous No.14529908]

>>14529867
>launch some place inoffensive
>immediately die due to the sieverts per second dose rate you are being exposed to from your fusion engine
that's IF you get your fusion engine started in atmosphere, when it's designed to only operate in the free vacuum of space (atmosphere crushes the plasma).
Sorry to ruin your science fantasy but fusion tech comes with basic realities that prevent it from functioning outside of very large, or at least very long, orbit to orbit spacecraft.

[Anonymous No.14529911]

>>14529894
Terminally velocity on Venus is more like sinking through water than falling through air. Do nothing and you hit the ground at moderate car crash speeds.

[Anonymous No.14529917]

>>14529911
even better

[Anonymous No.14529932]

It is 5/31 where the fuck is it

[Anonymous No.14529936]

>>14529932
2 more minutes

[Anonymous No.14529940]

>>14529794
My first directive would be "achieve orbit"

[Anonymous No.14529941]

i amgoing to sleep.
expecting final pea document when i wake up.

[Anonymous No.14529942]

>>14529932
Patience, young muskrat.

[Anonymous No.14529943]

>>14529932
It's end of day 5/31. You're about 20 hours too early.

[Anonymous No.14529948]

>>14529932
oh no no no musksisters...
Dare I say the words?
Is it finally time?
Is it official?

>IT’S OVER
IT’S OVER
>IT’S OVER
IT’S OVER
>IT’S OVER
IT’S OVER

[Anonymous No.14529950]

>>14529943
>>14529942
>>14529936
you think this is a fucking joke? do I look like I'm playing around?

[Anonymous No.14529952]

>>14529888
~12 hrs

[Anonymous No.14529954]

>>14529824
>and have more thrust per kW

Doesn't it have way more thrust than other electric propulsion?

[Anonymous No.14529965]

>>14529860
>People like to shill nuclear propulsion

Because nuclear thermal still has more delta V, which is why the military is very interested in it. NASA seems to be more interested in nuclear electric because the technology overlaps with many other uses.

[Anonymous No.14529968]

>>14529724

[Anonymous No.14529972]

>>14529965
>2 parallel nuclear propulsion techs in deep development in the US rn

cumminggg

[Anonymous No.14529973]

>>14529847
Laser electric or laser thermal propulsion would enable a VASIMR like ~30 day Mars transfer without the magic reactor bullshit but setting up the required infrastructure would cost quite a bit of money and ideally there would be another laser orbiting Mars so that the spacecraft could slow down because aerobraking at full speed would create g-forces strong enough to kill everyone onboard. IMO this is the best investment out of any type of propulsion since the laser array could be used for missions to any planet and the ships would be cheap to produce. Whereas something like a NEP tug would not only have worse performance but each ship would cost billions and they would be tied up waiting for the next transfer window to open. Decouple the power source and win, there's no need to move all that mass.
>>14529954
Other types of electric propulsion would have no problem scaling to the same level of thrust, it's just Ad Astra is deliberately trying to market it for human missions so the thruster is like a whopping 200 kW.
>>14529965
No, NTP is claimed to have more delta-v than chemical with thrust that isn't anemic, which appeals to the military, but it has poor Isp compared to electric propulsion thus making it much worse for interplanetary transit. NASA is only interested in it because it's easier to build a NERVA derivative engine than a high power fission reactor and because it's an ideal cash cow for old space.

[Anonymous No.14529980]

Anons pls tell me wen booster static fire.

[Anonymous No.14529982]

>>14529980
Never. It’s not necessary

[Anonymous No.14529987]

>>14529824
MPDT>VASIMR

>>14529972
True, I am starting to like this timeline bros

[Anonymous No.14529988]

GO OUTSIDE
METEORS

[Anonymous No.14529990]

>>14529988
cloudy :(

[Anonymous No.14529991]

>>14529980
you just missed it

[Anonymous No.14529993]

>>14529988
A ULYSSES 1994XF04 FRAGMENT JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE!

[Anonymous No.14529995]

>>14529980
As a muskrat, whenever i see this image, i get angry, SPITTING angry. i'm like a tornado of anger, swirling about. my heart rate is DANGEROUSLY HIGH right now

[Anonymous No.14530001]

>>14529973
>laser

Great on paper, actually having an array of megawatt death rays in space is a deal breaker.

>making it much worse for interplanetary transit

Or when you have time constraints, the anemic thrust of electric propulsion necessitates a high thrust stage be added to NEP vehicles for manned missions.

A bimodal NTP that powers electric propulsion when high thrust is not needed would be ideal, especially if the electric propulsion can use hydrogen as propellant (like VASIMR can).

[Anonymous No.14530006]

>>14529993
ALL PILOTS DESCEND BELOW 2,000 FEET IMMEDIATELY

PREPARE FOR IMPACT
>scccccrRRRSCCCCHKKKSCHHHHHH

[Anonymous No.14530007]

>>14530001
>LH2 is a GOOD thing
No.

[Anonymous No.14530008]

>>14529972
Four, in addition to the DARPA and NASA projects is this. Radioisotope electric and "fusion".

https://www.diu.mil/latest/powering-the-future-of-space-exploration-diu-launching-next-generation

[Anonymous No.14530012]

>>14530008
>Avalanche Energy has developed a device called an “Orbitron,” which utilizes electrostatic fields to trap fusion ions in conjunction with a magnetron electron confinement scheme to overcome charge density limits. The resulting fusion burn then produces the energetic particles that generate either heat or electricity, which can power a high-efficiency propulsion system. Compared to other fusion concepts, Orbitron devices are promising for space applications as they may be scaled down in size and enable their use as both a propulsion and power source.
ELECTROSTATIC FUSION AS A POWER SOURCE HOLY FUCK

[Anonymous No.14530016]

I tested the engine again today and once again, it didn't light. I was using both a stun gun and the barbeque lighter I used the first time.

Thankfully, I still have some nitrous oxide left so I think I might be able to try again in the morning. I have noticed that the propane side ignites very easily, so I think I may try switching on the propane side first and waiting until I see it light to open the NOX valve. This is the opposite of how its supposed to be done due to hard starts, but at this point I don't really care if the engine gets damaged.

[Anonymous No.14530019]

Now imagine something like this bad boy lofted 150 tons at a time for easy assembly, and with throostier electric propulsion.

http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/realdesignsfusion.php#id--IEC_Fusion_Ship_II

[Anonymous No.14530029]

>>14530019
prho is such a fun timewaste. I can always spend hours reading up on all these ideas

[Anonymous No.14530034]

LV0010/TROPICS-1 is on the pad at SLC-46 officially now. Static braap hopefully this week depending on FAA mother-may-I.

https://twitter.com/Astra/status/1531354329554137088

[Anonymous No.14530067]

>>14530034
starship deserved to win tropics
fuck nasa retard boomers

[Anonymous No.14530079]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt6yDd0rVqw

This is the story of how NASA killed 14 of its own, to keep the gravy train going.

[Anonymous No.14530085]

>>14530001
Using chemical propulsion to provide the initial impulse then staging to electric propulsion would be superior to a bimodal NTP/NEP unless maybe a high thrust maneuver is needed to capture.
>Great on paper, actually having an array of megawatt death rays in space is a deal breaker.
It's having a megawatt death ray orbiting Earth that would be major concern, luckily a ground based laser would work fine.

[Anonymous No.14530129]

IT IS 1 AM TEXAS TIME AND THE FAA STILL HASN'T RELEASED THE FONSI

[Anonymous No.14530132]

>>14529060
>mother base with rockets instead of guns
>tfw it all gets brought down by a surprise FAA inspection

[Anonymous No.14530180]

>>14530067
I thought Dr. Blackwell (TROPICS PI) was going to cringe his skeleton outside his skin when Chris Kemp asked what would happen if one of the launches failed. Fucking tweaker CEO was clearly on a bunch of uppers that day. Everyone else has been basically scrambling to make sure LV0010 is flawless after that little joke.

[Anonymous No.14530326]

>>14530180
>when Chris Kemp asked what would happen if one of the launches failed.
I mean its a good question
NASA should always be ready incase a launch fails

[Anonymous No.14530335]

>>14530326
the answer was TROPICS can work minimally with two good launches but prefers three

[Anonymous No.14530339]

The state of Starbase

[Anonymous No.14530341]

>>14530335
>NASA admitting they don't have a backup
Classic NASA

[Anonymous No.14530367]

>>14530341
The satellites were basically handmade because so many of the required parts didn't exist before they started. There is no production line to restart.
>classic NASA
There's more wacky stuff about the details of construction but that'd be a major ITAR violation to post. Suffice to say these are in fact as advanced as you'd expect a NASA/MIT collaboration to be and if TROPICS works you're going to see a lot of ridiculous shit in cubesat form factor for other missions.

[Anonymous No.14530377]

Test
Janny didn't like my FAA joke apparently

[Anonymous No.14530431]

>>14530367
What could possibly be so special about something ostensibly designed to gather information on hurricanes?

[Anonymous No.14530432]

>>14530339
shouldn't it be S and B instead of SN and BN

[Anonymous No.14530445]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjIdTGjs6CM

[Anonymous No.14530452]

>>14530445
Victor is 46, no chance they have him as the pilot on the HLS. Which is shame because that means they're going to pick some black chick.

[Anonymous No.14530501]

>>14530452
there was just a 61 year old on a long duration mission to the ISS, is HLS and Moon really that different?

[Anonymous No.14530559]

>>14529627
VentureStar is so fucking gay. Delta Clipper actually flew and worked and was only cucked by VentureStar because of muh politics and retarded Douglas employees

[Anonymous No.14530577]

>>14529646
They're not building jack shit. It's just a study.

[Anonymous No.14530583]

>>14530339
>Mr Quinton
Who?

[Anonymous No.14530613]

>>14530559
VentureStar and Delta Clipper are both victims of NASA, despite pretenses, being completely uninterested in giving up the Shuttle. The bureaucracy and pork surrounding it was far to entrenched to allow anything that might pose a threat to have any chance at succeeding. Before Columbia forced their hand they were expecting to keep the Shuttle flying until at least 2020

[Anonymous No.14530620]

>>14530583
Quinton Champer - Lead Civil Engineer at SpaceX
https://www.linkedin.com/in/quinton-champer-009a2928

[Anonymous No.14530623]

>>14530432
SN and BN sound better.

[Anonymous No.14530630]

>>14530623
so what we can just rename rockets when we don't like their names now? can i just claim the falcon 9 is really called "HMS Pencil Dick"?

[Anonymous No.14530631]

>>14530630
Yup.

[Anonymous No.14530669]

>>14530613
VentureStar was just another pipe dream, but DCX actually flew and worked flawlessly
>inb4 x33
>inb4 dolphin sex
NASA should be sued for shutting down so many promising design, and for handing the SLS development over to Boing

[Anonymous No.14530680]

Reminder that Lockheed (allegedly) solved the VentureStar problem and we could have had a real operating SSTO RIGHT NOW.

[Anonymous No.14530689]

>>14530680
In other words, they wanted the government to pay for it like all other government projects instead of creating a viable commercial program on their own and fund it own their own.

[Anonymous No.14530712]

>>14530680
reminder that the venturestar is responsible for no ssto flying today
>NASA had taken on the project grudgingly after having been "shamed" by its very public success under the direction of the SDIO.[citation needed] Its continued success was cause for considerable political in-fighting within NASA due to it competing with their "home grown" Lockheed Martin X-33/VentureStar project. Pete Conrad priced a new DC-X at $50 million, cheap by NASA standards, but NASA decided not to rebuild the craft in light of budget constraints.[14] Instead, NASA focused development on the Lockheed Martin VentureStar which it felt answered some criticisms of the DC-X, specifically the airplane-like landing of the VentureStar, which many NASA engineers preferred over the vertical landing of the DC-X. Just a few years later, the repeated failure of the Venturestar project, especially the composite LH2 (liquid hydrogen) tank, led to program cancellation.[17]

[Anonymous No.14530719]

>>14530712
also, cost of a new dcxa was estimated to be about 100 million dollarionos (adjusted for inflation), but this investment wasnt future-oriented enough for NASA and the saved money was needed to fund the jpl for solar panels that fail after one year on mars and boeing for their 10 gozillion dollar glorified jobs program

[Anonymous No.14530722]

FAA

[Anonymous No.14530742]

So how long until FAA judgement? Tomorrow for european people?

[Anonymous No.14530749]

>>14530742
2x 2 weeks

[Anonymous No.14530757]

>>14530742
Should be during US office hours?

[Anonymous No.14530759]

>>14530742
If dubs it gets delayed another month

[Anonymous No.14530762]

>>14530742
The delays will continue until the orange shitbird flies.

[Anonymous No.14530766]

>>14530742
2 weeks

[Anonymous No.14530786]

Дoнбacc" - Donbass

[Anonymous No.14530787]

FAA: It's time to deliver.

[Anonymous No.14530796]

>>14530742
You've heard of elf on the shelf...

[Anonymous No.14530804]

>>14530669
>NASA should be sued for shutting down so many promising design, and for handing the SLS development over to Boing
Even committing to small things like the HL-20 or the X-38 would have left manned spaceflight in a much better position than it ended up going being in last decade. God forbid NASA creates anything that might take away any sort of reliance on the Shuttle. We bitch about NASA today but how they conduced themselves in the era pre-Columbia is nuts

[Anonymous No.14530811]

>>14530796
What, now we're waiting for a mensch on a bench?

[Anonymous No.14530842]

Are they actually going to release the review today?

[Anonymous No.14530846]

today's the day
FAA approval day

[Anonymous No.14530847]

today's the day
FAA delay day

[Anonymous No.14530854]

>>14530847
That will be another proof that government hates spacex

[Anonymous No.14530858]

>The FAA intends to issue the Final Programmatic Environmental Assessment (PEA) for the SpaceX Starship / Super Heavy project on June 13, 2022. Interagency consultation is ongoing.

[Anonymous No.14530863]

>>14530858
https://twitter.com/SpcPlcyOnline/status/1531637915922612225/photo/1

Told you.

Its gonna be delayed indefinitely

[Anonymous No.14530864]

>>14530858
LOL
>>14530749
>>14530766

[Anonymous No.14530866]

>>14530858

[Anonymous No.14530868]

where is it, FAA?

[Anonymous No.14530871]

>>14530858
felon husk bros..
it's over...
biden and SLS won..

[Anonymous No.14530873]

>>14530863
Not really. Earlier they were delaying the review by 30 days, now it's just 2 weeks, so it should be the last one.

[Anonymous No.14530877]

>>14530873
So 2 more years till actual approval? After biden loses vote right?

[Anonymous No.14530876]

>>14530858
TWO
MORE
WEEKS

[Anonymous No.14530878]

>>14530858
>Unironically 2 more weeks
lmao

[Anonymous No.14530879]

>>14530873
it becomes Zeno's Report, after a few 2 weeks, they start making it 1 week, then we get daily and hourly delays

[Anonymous No.14530880]

>>14530858
Ok im officially going to kill myself

[Anonymous No.14530881]

>>14530879
all the way down to planck time

[Anonymous No.14530882]

>>14530858
they did the meme

[Anonymous No.14530883]

>>14530858
lmao, unreal

[Anonymous No.14530884]

>>14530877

[Anonymous No.14530885]

[Anonymous No.14530887]

>>14530879
In definite delays are worse than actual EIS as the slow boiling of the frog will have no option

[Anonymous No.14530890]

>>14530858
Its gonna be delayed until SLS flies, so just 6,307e+8 seconds more

[Anonymous No.14530892]

>>14530858
BRING TRUMP BACK NOW

[Anonymous No.14530894]

>>14530858
What the fuck man

[Anonymous No.14530896]

>>14530892
Abbot or Desantis pls. Someone more electable.

[Anonymous No.14530898]

>>14530896
not grabbot please
t.texan

[Anonymous No.14530899]

Maybe of ol'musky built in great state of Alabama he would have avoided some red tape.
https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/faa-issues-commercial-space-reentry-site-operator-license-huntsville-international-airport

[Anonymous No.14530902]

>>14530858
Abolish the FAA forcibly with torches and pitchforks. No agency, no approval required.

[Anonymous No.14530921]

>>14530902
You will require the approval from NTSB then.

[Anonymous No.14530933]

>>14530921
It's fine, torches and pitchforks are reusable.

[Anonymous No.14530934]

>It's unlikely that SpaceX will be ready to launch before Fall.
It's over

[Anonymous No.14530962]

give these fuckers some weapons already

[Anonymous No.14530964]

>All 19000 comments have been released

[Anonymous No.14530967]

>>14530962
utf logo is really unnecessary

[Anonymous No.14530968]

>This time my expectation is that there will not be another extension.
>Erica Berger, 2022

[Anonymous No.14530974]

>>14530964
https://cms.faa.gov/spacexstarship/starshipsuperheavy/comments-draft-programmatic-environmental-assessment-pea-spacex
>https://cms.faa.gov/spacexstarship/starshipsuperheavy/comments-draft-programmatic-environmental-assessment-pea-spacex
https://cms.faa.gov/spacexstarship/starshipsuperheavy/comments-draft-programmatic-environmental-assessment-pea-spacex
>https://cms.faa.gov/spacexstarship/starshipsuperheavy/comments-draft-programmatic-environmental-assessment-pea-spacex

[Anonymous No.14530977]

[Anonymous No.14530982]

>>14530968
It's his own fucking fault for having expectations or even a shred of optimism when it comes to bureaucracy and politicians.
Naive fucker.

[Anonymous No.14530985]

>>14530974
Damn

Disseminating all of these will take /sfg/ two weeks at least

[Anonymous No.14530993]

>>14530974
Volumes 21-25 are all just copies of the same anti-SpaceX copypasta

Who was that organized by?

[Anonymous No.14530995]

lmao

[Anonymous No.14530997]

>>14530934
Where did it say this?

[Anonymous No.14530998]

>>14530993
kek. sierraniggers

[Anonymous No.14530999]

>>14530995
preach brotha fr fr

[Anonymous No.14531002]

>>14530995
Lol

[Anonymous No.14531005]

>>14530995
based

[Anonymous No.14531009]

>>14530997
Random account on twitter.

[Anonymous No.14531016]

>>14530974
>https://cms.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/2022-05/23_Volume_19428%20-%2019613_508.pdf
Seems there's hundreds of copy-pasted "think of muh beetles" comments. Lame

[Anonymous No.14531017]

>>14530995
That has to have come from here.

[Anonymous No.14531019]

>>14531016
Its this guy

[Anonymous No.14531029]

>>14530995
that's cringe

[Anonymous No.14531030]

>>14530974
It's a complete clusterfuck. There's thousands of pages of what is practically spam and copypastas. There's multiple ~100 page thesis' written by random organizations and associations. Thousands of tables, pictures, graphs, whatever.

Asking for public comments was a mistake. I pity the bureaucrats who had to spend months reading through this trash

[Anonymous No.14531033]

>>14531030
>I pity the bureaucrats who had to spend months reading through this trash
I pity the retards who don't use algorithms to remove dupes and outright purge them when they hit a certain threshold.

[Anonymous No.14531039]

>>14531030
You just know the FAA is the type of organisation to actually print out tens of thousands of physical pages, to store it in some vault.

[Anonymous No.14531042]

>>14531039
It's my understanding that all US government agencies do that. Burgers cannot into computers.

[Anonymous No.14531052]

>>14530995
This is the guy from the public hearing who said we should kill all martians lmfao

[Anonymous No.14531054]

The good news is that it seems like SpaceX will get a FONSI soon.

[Anonymous No.14531055]

>>14531029
>that's cringe

[Anonymous No.14531057]

>>14530892
2 MORE WEEKS

[Anonymous No.14531064]

>>14531054
>will get a FONSI soon
>a FONSI
their pièce de résistance will be full EIS

[Anonymous No.14531066]

Tim Dodd being based for once

[Anonymous No.14531070]

>>14531066
>Tim Dood wasting inspiring rhetoric on some overpaid shaneequa in DC

[Anonymous No.14531076]

>>14531070
if shaneequa doesn't care about this, she sure as fuck doesn't care about the beetles either

[Anonymous No.14531081]

>>14531066
>Yet despite this, gas and oil plants litter the landscape and no one seems to bat an eye.
This should tell you everything. Not even the ultra sanctimonious r*dditors complain about them. But a sheet of metal falling onto a single beetle is the end of the world. Fucking Earthers.

[Anonymous No.14531100]

I finally got it to ignite! The plume looked somewhat energetic, for half a second or so, which is very relieving to see. It was only a partial success, though. The chamber pressure was still definitely too low and it was super unstable. I should mention that the reason why it is split in half like that is because of my ignitor.

I've noticed that when real engines throttle down, the plume gets less expanded, so I'm definitely not hitting anything close to my target chamber pressure since it was to under expanded. It's definitely time to switch to pressure fed gasoline, or alcohol and abandon the dumb turbo idea.

As for the instability, It appears that I need to fix my crude injector design. When I make the Krystal 1-C in a few months (I won't be able to work on it for a while due to an internship), I'll try to be more thorough with my design and have better workmanship.

I'll link a WebM in a sec.

[Anonymous No.14531105]

>>>4551515

[Anonymous No.14531109]

>>14531100
based?

[Anonymous No.14531110]

>>4551515

[Anonymous No.14531113]

>>14531100
>>>/wsg/4551515

[Anonymous No.14531116]

>>14531113
Thank you, fren.

[Anonymous No.14531120]

>>14531116
Keep up the gud work

[Anonymous No.14531123]

>>14531100
are you trying to get someone killed?

[Anonymous No.14531126]

>>14531100
based

[Anonymous No.14531125]

>>14531100
Great progress. Please don't kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.14531128]

>>14531100
Fucking outstanding anon.

What is that, NOx and kerosene?

[Anonymous No.14531129]

schizo alert
>>>>14530969

[Anonymous No.14531130]

>>14531129
Thank you for notifying us about yourself.

[Anonymous No.14531131]

>>14531100
BASED
A
S
E
D

[Anonymous No.14531132]

>>14528200
holy shit anon was mostly right

[Anonymous No.14531133]

>>14531100
how much did this shit cost

[Anonymous No.14531134]

Does anyone have the fake estronaut elon interview with the krystal porn? Thanks. It was on vimeo.

[Anonymous No.14531140]

Was thinking about nearish future space combat, with semi torch drive style propulsion IE: nswr, fission fragment, DFD ect.
Do you think it would make sense to have a Low G, constant acceleration, high deltaV carrier ship, that carries high TWR, low (relatively) deltaV missile boats into the combat zone?
The higher TWR ships would be better able to defeat enemy missiles kinematically and would act as a screening force and a range extender for the larger, low TWR ship.

It seems to me like space combat would be a case of the tortoise and the hare, in some ways similar to the dynamics of air missile combat.
Ships that could accelerate rapidly could catch slower accelerating ships within a certain range, however those slower accelerating ships would have much more deltaV to escape and determine the fight over longer distances.

I think a lot would depend on detection ranges.

[Anonymous No.14531141]

>>14531128
NOX and Propane
>>14531133
A bit under a thousand bucks so far, I think.

[Anonymous No.14531143]

>>14531100
Hire this man, Elon, I know you lurk here.

[Anonymous No.14531148]

>>14530974
>mfw Volume 25

>Yo lemme copy your hw
>yeah just change it up a bit so it doesn't look obvious you copied'
>ok

[Anonymous No.14531151]

Most of it is the same negative copy pasta but these are some good bits feel free to add more

[Anonymous No.14531154]

>>14531128
Propane and propane accessories

[Anonymous No.14531155]

>>14531141
Do you ever plan to put it in a rocket?

[Anonymous No.14531156]

>>14530858
>It's not political, we gotta protect the environment and listen to the local beach goers
Surrendering the earth to the mutts has been the true disaster for the Human race...

[Anonymous No.14531161]

>>14531123
chonker

[Anonymous No.14531166]

>>14531155
Realistically, probably not. It's really small right now and I couldn't really scale it up without some super expensive bottles and valves.

[Anonymous No.14531184]

>>14531155
it would need gyroscopes and a control system, and...

[Anonymous No.14531193]

>>14531184
Just get a raspberry pi and a cell phone accelerometer and then use it to launch a warhead into Canada.

[Anonymous No.14531195]

>>14531155
He would have to lower the propane temps until it is in a dense enough liquid form to get the pressures and weight balance required to launch a rocket otherwise the tanks would be too heavy even for the smallest designs.

[Anonymous No.14531207]

>>14531193
but that's against their laws so I guess it's impossible to do

[Anonymous No.14531230]

>>14530858
>FAA flight permit
>August 16, 2022

[Anonymous No.14531247]

>>14531230
how can you fucking read that shit
unzoom your window before making screen shots, geez

[Anonymous No.14531271]

>>14530377
*ahem*
>>14530858

[Anonymous No.14531283]

>>14530858
Can they launch on that very day?

[Anonymous No.14531294]

>>14531283
No, tiles are still falling down

[Anonymous No.14531319]

[Anonymous No.14531353]

>>14530583
>Who?
Mr Quinton

[Anonymous No.14531360]

>>14531294
>implying they care
The engines on the booster need to work. That's the focus.

[Anonymous No.14531381]

Whats the atmosphere at Boeing like right now? They are losing the airline business. They are getting mogged by SpaceX in the capsule market. And once SS starts flying their biggest grift (SLS) will be exposed.

[Anonymous No.14531386]

>>14531381
It's fine

[Anonymous No.14531390]

>>14531381
they are pooping and peeing all over the floor, crying and crapping and throwing up. it's a mess

[Anonymous No.14531392]

>>14531381
>They are losing the airline business.
They are not. They fucked up with the B737, the A320 is eating their lunch. But the 777 and 787 are still both better than what Airbus is offering.

[Anonymous No.14531394]

>>14531381
The atmosphere is undergoing removal.

[Anonymous No.14531397]

>>14531319
>AI is here
>It's already sabotaging efforts to get offworld

[Anonymous No.14531399]

>>14531319

[Anonymous No.14531413]

Emma Guevera again.. however this time she mentions the all important, sacred, rightful owners of the land SpaceX is occupying - the Carizo Comecrudo tribe of Texas

Yet curiously neither she nor anyone else brought up the name of this obscure tribe during the FAA public hearing calls - seriously go through the, right now and you will not hear this tribes name uttered a single time - if this tribe is so important and has deep ties to the are then why were they totally unmentioned during the FAA's public hearings?

Its so blatant what they are doing here. The tribe doesnt come up except in copy pasted Sierra Club comments.

[Anonymous No.14531416]

>>14531413
that tribe is long extinct

not that these people have the right to speak for natives anyway

[Anonymous No.14531418]

>>14531413
You're a retard. Emma Guevara mentioned Carizo Comecrudo during the call. Also in the document that was posted yesterday that the janny purged the FAA mentions Carizo Comecrudo.

[Anonymous No.14531421]

>>14531413
At least there's some good in that massive pile of crap.

[Anonymous No.14531423]

>>14531413
God I wish I could fuck the shit outta this naughty bitch

[Anonymous No.14531428]

>>14531381
boing is moving their headquarters to washington dc so they can focus on bribing politicians for contracts instead of improving their business like a normal company would. it's literally over for them.

>Boeing Co. said Thursday it will move its headquarters from Chicago to the Washington, D.C., area, where company executives would be closer to key federal government officials.
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/05/1096961418/boeing-moving-headquarters-washington-dc-area

[Anonymous No.14531436]

Holy shit
https://youtu.be/dqKeIjBWqL8

[Anonymous No.14531439]

>>14531436
So, the government has finally come to nationalize Starbase with the point of a bayonet.

[Anonymous No.14531442]

>>14531151
smaller scale

[Anonymous No.14531452]

>>14531140
>Was thinking about nearish future space combat

First step, learn orbital mechanics.

[Anonymous No.14531454]

>>14531418
Really? I literally dont remember that lmao, maybe cause she was the only one who brought it up even. Wouldnt be surprised if she's with Sierra Club because all the latter Sierra Club copy pasta includes the tribes name

Anyways here she says "multiplanetary species" is a problematic term

I cannot even begin to concieve of how the leftist/SJW mind of hers has managed to come to that conclusion lmao, these "space is racist" types are all nutty.

[Anonymous No.14531458]

>>14531423
She's a bag over head kind of fuck.

[Anonymous No.14531469]

>>14531458
A plastic one maybe, tightly wrapped.

[Anonymous No.14531476]

>>14531436
NSFerinos https://youtu.be/mhJRzQsLZGg

[Anonymous No.14531480]

>>14531458
>>14531413
Her voice

>>>/wsg/4551779

[Anonymous No.14531485]

>>14531480
Yeah I know I dont need to listen to that shrieking again lmao.

[Anonymous No.14531499]

>>14531458
cant you post a more up to date photo?

[Anonymous No.14531502]

[Anonymous No.14531506]

>>14531499
You do it then

[Anonymous No.14531509]

>>14531421
There's a redaction failure.

[Anonymous No.14531512]

>>14531509
No the name does not get redacted if they put it in the text. Same here >>14531413 >>14531066

[Anonymous No.14531518]

>>14531480
>HOW DARE YOU?
Why do they insist on doing this? It's really combative and not really sympathetic at all

[Anonymous No.14531526]

Damn I love ships, and spaceships

[Anonymous No.14531533]

rockets=racist

[Anonymous No.14531534]

>>14531454
>>14531421
>>14531413
Where are these coming from?

[Anonymous No.14531541]

>>14531534
>>14530974

[Anonymous No.14531544]

>>14531454
>South Texas Environmental Justice Network

Well that explains it, working with Sierra Club to obstruct SpaceX and America, lovely.

[Anonymous No.14531546]

>>14531480
>Making more money with his apartheid emeralds
She took the bait

[Anonymous No.14531565]

You can see it from Starbase

[Anonymous No.14531572]

>>14531526
>>14531502
I envy the people of 200 years into the future who will get to watch kilometer-long martian carriers pull into Port Phobos every once in a while

[Anonymous No.14531573]

>>14529999
>>14530000

[Anonymous No.14531576]

>>14531476
>>14531502
>>14531526
>>14531565
Schizobros... Biden admin has finally had enough

[Anonymous No.14531581]

Maybe this is cope but some good news:
> FAA Delay is only two weeks, not a month
>Wording on the delay implies SpaceX will get a FONSI
Most importantly
>If SpaceX was to get an EIS/Lose Starbase, there wouldn’t be any extra delays, only a ban hammer

[Anonymous No.14531592]

MOLTEN
WATER
REACTOR

[Anonymous No.14531607]

>>14531581
>SpaceX gets EIS
>decides to pivot completely to Florida
>abandons Starbase entirely, takes down all towers, buildings, infrastructure
>region enters even deeper economic decline
>tourism revenue dries up again
>but muh tribal lands, muh birds, muh beach are all there, colonizers btfo!

Some people actually want this, they actually want reduction and stagnation. It's crazy

[Anonymous No.14531612]

>>14531319
>it's only page 1
I lost it lmao

[Anonymous No.14531613]

>>14531572

[Anonymous No.14531617]

>>14531319
>faa public comments on SpaceX Starship launch facility expansion draft PEA proposal?
>time to talk all about my plans for living on Mars

[Anonymous No.14531618]

>>14531452
>Ah someone read my post
>Oh wait they actually didn't read my post

Gravity wells would have interesting tactical and strategic implications, but ultimately we are talking about ships with hundreds of Kms deltaV here.
They will transit the solar system well above escape velocity.

[Anonymous No.14531620]

>>14531607
they say they want it but are too low iq to really see the implications of it or if spacex continues what they are doing but in a larger way, perhaps turning the area into a small economic hub with other companies as well

[Anonymous No.14531621]

>>14531506
goddess guarvera

[Anonymous No.14531624]

>>14531607
SpaceX is too valuable to kick out. I have 100% faith Starbase will be fine

[Anonymous No.14531625]

>>14531621
is that really her?

[Anonymous No.14531626]

>>14531621
>Close face shot
fatty

[Anonymous No.14531631]

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1531307969308237824
>Yeah, the public has no idea how much Tesla and SpaceX have been attacked/undermined, because we aren’t unionized (yet offer highest pay in industry!) and this administration would rather a company be dead than not unionized
hmm

[Anonymous No.14531639]

>>14531319
Could it be Mr. KolkolshalAviation?

[Anonymous No.14531651]

>>14531621
SLAY
L
A
Y

[Anonymous No.14531652]

>>14531565
>You are NOT cleared for launch

[Anonymous No.14531658]

>>14531626
I'd still her.

[Anonymous No.14531663]

Bros SpaceX is facing such an uphill battle against what are essentially people who do environmental NIMBYism for a living, I fear they will not succeed without tremendous legal bullshit/delays 10x worse than what BO pulled after HLS

You read the first 1-3 pages of comments and its full of talk of people being inspired, about how Starship is necessary for multiple sectors of America, renewed faith and optimism in American space dominance, support from all over the world, lots of soulful posts, then from basically pages 18-25 you see the coordinated environmental machinations of various groups all out to stop SpaceX, the endless documents/letters calling for an EIS, the soulless sierra club copypasta repeating for 5 pages straight, it feels like even if we get a FONSI these people will do whatever they can to obstruct SpaceX. Their efforts are much more likely to delay the return of America to the moon than even BO's legal wrangling.

[Anonymous No.14531670]

I grew up in a shitty town with low income and poor conditions. One day Boeing (it was a different time haha) set up shop and us kids had a chance to tour the facility and it changed my life. That experience changed my life and inspired me to go to college and study STEM instead of spending the next 70 years working a shit job in a beaten down house like all my other friends and family. All I’m saying is I don’t understand why SaveRGV has a hateboner with SpaceX.

[Anonymous No.14531675]

>>14531663
What can they really do? As long as the lawsuits dont block the launches, it doesnt matter

[Anonymous No.14531676]

I’m trying to make my RSS career realistic as possible. How likely is a manned mission to Mars after Apollo? What comes after that?

[Anonymous No.14531678]

>>14531502
Kek why the fuck is there a fucking aircraft carrier in Starbase. Is this where we re gonna land

[Anonymous No.14531681]

>>14531670
They are bucket-crab mudfoot EARTHERS who hate the idea of anyone escaping this prison planet. They must be rendered down into fertilizer for the agrihabs.

[Anonymous No.14531682]

>>14531678
US Navy has come to make their support and interest in Starship and SpaceX known

[Anonymous No.14531683]

>>14531675
Endless lawsuits

[Anonymous No.14531685]

>>14529520
How are you going to hit something with a laser over such a distance? Or do you want a station larger than New York?

[Anonymous No.14531688]

So a warship can have a full blown nuclear reactor but a spaceship cant?

[Anonymous No.14531690]

>>14531663
There's these fags and then there's the weight of the entire Pentagon that sees Starship for what it really is. What they say is usually what goes.

[Anonymous No.14531693]

>>14531676
There was talk of that for sure. The other option being making a space station or doing both.

[Anonymous No.14531701]

>>14531688
Yes, cope.

[Anonymous No.14531703]

>>14531676
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Transportation_System
Now have Nixon Kerman cancel everything but the space shuttle and space station, there's your realism.

[Anonymous No.14531705]

>>14531676
>>14531693
I’m thinking of making it “realistic” and doing a single Mars mission then focusing on a space shuttle

[Anonymous No.14531708]

>>14531688
Naval reactors weigh like upwards of 500 tons.

[Anonymous No.14531710]

>>14531413
>we are a majority-minority
LMAO
>our elected officials are muh bad
Then why did you elect the? Top fucking kek

[Anonymous No.14531713]

How badly are ESG Hound and his followers going to seethe when SpaceX gets a FONSI for Starbase?

[Anonymous No.14531722]

>>14531688
Seawater is a neutron moderator.

[Anonymous No.14531725]

>>14531670
Love Gattaca.
I'm glad you made it.
https://youtu.be/73pu7mRxk5Y

[Anonymous No.14531730]

>>14531710
She even thinks Starbase is referring to Brownsville and not just SpaceX's Production & Launch facility.

Also even more ridiculous she claims its all because Elon wants to escape Earth and go to Mars, a lot of the anti-SpaceX comments talk about Mars, they appear to be totally unaware of Starships other, much more prudent and near-term uses, etc.

Huge mix of leftist academic theory and intellectual fluency but terrible technical and abstract conceptual understanding of Starship as a system and humanity's need to venture out and set footholds in the solar system and the required steps necessary to do that. They think Elon musk is personally doing this to put himself on Mars with the first Starship built and launched - to escape Earth.

[Anonymous No.14531734]

>>14531730
Starbase is referring to Boca Chica
*insert felon tweet*

[Anonymous No.14531736]

>>14531713
Just look at his twitter profile, the guy has lost it lmao.
Have fun reading this https://esghound.substack.com/p/elons-last-stand?sd=fs&s=w

[Anonymous No.14531739]

>>14531701
Yes im coping and seething

[Anonymous No.14531746]

>>14531730
>They think Elon musk is personally doing this to put himself on Mars with the first Starship built and launched - to escape Earth.
He is personally responsible for everything that is wrong with SpaceX and the world, yet at the same time it's his engineers doing all the work and he just steals the credit.

[Anonymous No.14531748]

>>14531413
>we have a unified message because we're not just random people.... we are a community that is desperately fighting tooth and nail for our home

>cue 10 pages of Sierra Club "muh birds" copypasta sent by people from across the US

lmao, pathetic excuse for your coordinated Sierra Club campaign.

[Anonymous No.14531755]

>>14531748
random people*

[Anonymous No.14531760]

>>14531748
>10 pages of Sierra Club "muh birds" copypasta
soulless
>>14530995
SOVL

[Anonymous No.14531769]

>>14531683
irrelevant, its basically just an added cost due to having to employ lawyers

[Anonymous No.14531772]

>>14531769
Lawsuits in progress could forcibly stop all work at Boca Chica if the judge is so inclined.

[Anonymous No.14531773]

I feel like them ending all of this on this guys succinct and straightforward email was a message in its own. The NASA name carries weight and intent.

[Anonymous No.14531782]

Any comments from Starfox enthusiasts?

[Anonymous No.14531790]

Terran 1 (relativity’s reusable 3D printed rocket) being shipped to Cape Canaveral

https://twitter.com/thetimellis/status/1531661704118927360?s=21&t=mxQa0k4UbCD5FSfpN2DjGQ

[Anonymous No.14531797]

>>14531790
>Terran 1 (relativity’s reusable 3D printed rocket)
>reusable
shitty bait

[Anonymous No.14531810]

who is bankrolling all the lawsuits?

[Anonymous No.14531812]

>>14531810
Whoever bankrolls Sierra Club

[Anonymous No.14531813]

>>14531810
Wall street and big oil.

[Anonymous No.14531818]

>>14531810
You know who.

[Anonymous No.14531820]

>>14531810
Xinnie the Pooh

[Anonymous No.14531833]

/
State Hwy 4. The proposed parking lot could potentially impact 14 acres of seagrasses that lie
within 1 km to the north. Parking lot construction could result in increased sediment loading to
Boca Chica Bay, potentially resulting in increased light attenuation on the seagrass beds.
Seagrasses are highly sensitive to reductions in light availability. Dunton et al (2003)
recommended no dredging within 1 km of seagrass beds in Laguna Madre

THINK OF THE GRASSES

[Anonymous No.14531841]

is the report out yet or did it get delayed again?

[Anonymous No.14531849]

>>14531841
>>14530858

[Anonymous No.14531855]

>>14531833
Grass is actually really important so the beach doesn't get eroded. Could cause structural issues if destroyed.

[Anonymous No.14531857]

>>14531688
Russia doesn't give a fuck. Developing one right now with 500 MW reactor.

[Anonymous No.14531860]

>>14531855
Nothing a bit of pile drilling and concrete pouring can't fix.

[Anonymous No.14531866]

>>14531833
What's next? Think of the poor amoebas and tardigrades that are killed whenever people walk down in that area? This is getting ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.14531871]

>>14531621
ywn hear her say
>neocolonize my ancestral areas papi

[Anonymous No.14531873]

>>14531773
cool

[Anonymous No.14531877]

Every FAA member deserves to be doxed for this. No more hiding behind “just doing my job” or “not all of us are bad.” Every FAA member must be punished immediately, starting with their faces being published online.

[Anonymous No.14531879]

>>14531877
They are just following orders.

[Anonymous No.14531882]

>>14531877
WE WILL MAKE THEM PAY

[Anonymous No.14531885]

>>14531773
>>14531873
No ones words carry more weight around to the FAA than NASA's

[Anonymous No.14531892]

>>14531879
Likewise.

[Anonymous No.14531896]

>>14531790
good job guys

[Anonymous No.14531900]

>>14531879
You would allow the government’s goons to nail your family to the floor, cut off your eyelids, and rape your children in front of you because they were “just following orders.”

[Anonymous No.14531903]

>>14531879
you mean like the Nazis? retard

[Anonymous No.14531912]

>>14531900
>>14531903
You have to go back.

[Anonymous No.14531919]

>>14531860
this, fuck beetles and fuck grass, also fuck the random ass tribe that probably doesn't even exist anymore

[Anonymous No.14531939]

>>14531912
Boomer, you are responsible for dooming this country to an eternity of rocket delays. It is your fault that we have these faggot federal agencies. You facilitated this. I pray your death is an extremely painful one at the hands of your own government.

[Anonymous No.14531944]

>>14531939
>doubling down on the reddit faggotry
refer to this >>14531912

[Anonymous No.14531948]

>>14531860

[Anonymous No.14531953]

>>14531476
>>14531502
>>14531526
>>14531565
>Here's the surplus aircraft carrier you ordered, Mr Musk

[Anonymous No.14531958]

>14531944
>hurr durr u hate government so u are reddit
You are a historically illiterate animal with no will to power. I should be glad that you will gladly kneel over a mass grave when your time comes. Keep sucking the axe wound grease, alpha slave.

[Anonymous No.14531962]

>>14531958
Yikes!

[Anonymous No.14531972]

>>14529037
I hope they have GetRight installed then.

[Anonymous No.14531975]

>>14529037
>download 1mb
So what. Uplink from Titan for all the nice pictures is going to be most important.

[Anonymous No.14531976]

>>14531810
Lockhead, Boing, and Aerojew

[Anonymous No.14531978]

>>14531833
Better cut down some forests to make up for the grass

[Anonymous No.14531983]

>>14529037
Why can’t they set up a high bandwidth relay system beforehand?

[Anonymous No.14531984]

>>14531983
BECAUSE NOTHING CAN CHANGE
DSN IS THE GOLD STANDARD

[Anonymous No.14531992]

>>14531978
>cut down some forests
Reminder, this happened before
https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-ordered-to-suspend-tree-clearance-at-german-factory-tagesspiegel-2020-12
>Tesla ordered to stop cutting down trees at its Berlin factory construction site because of hibernating snakes
>A German court has told the U.S. billionaire's electric vehicle company Tesla to suspend clearing of a forest at the site of the proposed factory after environmentalists said that cutting down more trees could endanger hibernating snakes
>Also, locals were concerned that the Gigafactory, especially once it started building battery cells, would be a drain on local water resources and wanted assurances from Tesla that consumption would be limited.

[Anonymous No.14531996]

>>14531919
Shut up, you have no place to speak on this

[Anonymous No.14531999]

>>14531992
Fuck environmentalists.

[Anonymous No.14532003]

>>14531972
>>14531975
>>14531983
>>14531984
why?

[Anonymous No.14532013]

So hypothetically, just spitballing, what would be the most efficient method to clear all plant and animal life out of a coastal wetland?

[Anonymous No.14532019]

>>14532013
Pour concrete over it after sticking rebar into the ground first.

[Anonymous No.14532024]

>>14532013
"accidentally" let a dust cropper drop several loads of barely legal pesticides all over the place.

[Anonymous No.14532038]

>>14532024
They already did this though.

[Anonymous No.14532039]

>>14532024
>dust cropper
crust dopper?

[Anonymous No.14532043]

>>14532038
some kind of proof of that?

[Anonymous No.14532056]

>>14532024
Okay, but imagine if they did this to the FAA HQ as well.

[Anonymous No.14532058]

[Anonymous No.14532066]

>>14532058
Yes.

[Anonymous No.14532071]

>>14532013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV6hP9wpMW8&t=154s

[Anonymous No.14532073]

>>14532043
cringe newfag https://youtube.com/watch?v=N-cuEcIl3ms

[Anonymous No.14532082]

Hey anon found you're comment

[Anonymous No.14532086]

>>14532082
cringe

[Anonymous No.14532092]

>>14531140
Space warfare will just be a bunch of weapon systems parked in orbit that will attack the weapons of the opposing force. Manned spacecraft would be inherently less capable because of the higher dry mass and good luck trying to outrun a laser weapon with your trillion dollar meme drive.

[Anonymous No.14532095]

>>14532082
imagine FAA clerks pouring over this document

[Anonymous No.14532106]

>>14531857
>Russia doesn't give a fuck. Developing one right now with 500 MW reactor.
You mean TEM? It's not nearly that powerful and the development effort could have stopped.

[Anonymous No.14532108]

>>14531565
Is that the Shitty Hawk?

[Anonymous No.14532111]

>Business Insider

[Anonymous No.14532127]

>>14532111
Dave Mosher

[Anonymous No.14532130]

>>14532108
Yes

[Anonymous No.14532145]

so uh, what the fuck is New Onizuka?

[Anonymous No.14532149]

>>14532145
They couldn't compare with the greatness of Eikichi Onizuka and decided to call it New Onizuka because their ability to teach is nonexistent.

[Anonymous No.14532158]

>>14532111
Fucking journos, what the fuck man unreal

[Anonymous No.14532180]

>>14532158
Press inquiring about a fire is unreal to you?

[Anonymous No.14532185]

>>14531100
obligatory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3o-N6RT4eQ

[Anonymous No.14532223]

>>14532111
That fire for sure killed so many beetles kek

[Anonymous No.14532237]

>>14532111
>>14532158
I still don't understand why the media doesn't report on this
>In 2017 Starliner had an accident during a ground test that forced the president of a different subcontractor to have his leg medically amputated. The subcontractor sued, and Boeing subsequently settled the case.

[Anonymous No.14532260]

>>14532058
Holy shit it's M Bison.

[Anonymous No.14532280]

Man thinks he's contacting SpaceX lmao

[Anonymous No.14532286]

oh no no no

[Anonymous No.14532293]

how legit is this?

[Anonymous No.14532303]

can you please read through the tens of thousands of comments and spoonfeed me the funniest ones as screenshots (TikTok video with added memes will also do)

I'm going to bed and I expect to get a good laugh when I wake up, so get to work

[Anonymous No.14532305]

[Anonymous No.14532312]

>>14532293
see >>14531773
it's also the final displayed public comment

[Anonymous No.14532315]

>>14532305

[Anonymous No.14532317]

>>14532305
>Go fire yourself

[Anonymous No.14532325]

>>14532305
Beautiful

[Anonymous No.14532343]

>>14532293
>NASA is willing to work with SpaceX and federal authorities on the management of the site
>NASA having a say in the management of Starbase
It's over for Boca Chica, it was good while it lasted.

[Anonymous No.14532364]

>>14531678
It's the USS Kitty Hawk, an old diesel aircraft carrier being towed to Texas to be dismantled. She left her port for the last time in January.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/Aircraft-carrier-USS-Kitty-Hawk-departs-Bremerton-for-Texas-dismantling/ar-AASOuSp

[Anonymous No.14532369]

>>14532013
Hydrogen bombs.

[Anonymous No.14532371]

when you see it

[Anonymous No.14532372]

>>14532364
RIP

[Anonymous No.14532373]

Meanwhile
https://twitter.com/NASA_SLS/status/1531665740893413378
>SLS and @NASA_Orion are targeted to return to launch pad 39B at @NASAKennedy June 6 for the next wet dress rehearsal attempt ahead of the #Artemis I mission. First motion is slated for 12:01 a.m. the morning of the 6th.

[Anonymous No.14532380]

>>14532371
Reaources are infinitely recyclable. No idea why people think anything can be “exhausted” except stuff like fossil fuels.

[Anonymous No.14532381]

>>14532373
>be at the pad by June 7
>don't do anything else afterwards till June 19th

the fuck is wrong with NASA EGS

[Anonymous No.14532387]

>>14532364
>spacex will buy kittyhawk and make it a Starship lander ship

[Anonymous No.14532390]

>>14532381
It's probably FAA fuckery. Even a little Rocket 3 has to sit on the pad for a week at KSC before the space DMV gets off their wide asses to sign the paperwork.

[Anonymous No.14532393]

>>14532390
The fuck has FAA to do with a fuel test that shit isn't leaving the ground

[Anonymous No.14532396]

>>14532393
But it COULD, you know. The SRBs can't exactly be safed.

[Anonymous No.14532404]

>>14532393
>assumes things have to leave the ground so that the faa can step in
Anon, I...
Did you forget this?
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/14/faa-warns-spacex-it-has-not-approved-new-texas-launch-site-tower.html
>FAA warns SpaceX that massive Starship launch tower in Texas is unapproved
>The Federal Aviation Administration has warned Elon Musk’s SpaceX that work on a massive launch tower will be included in the agency’s ongoing environmental review of the Starship facility in Boca Chica, Texas.
>“The company is building the tower at its own risk,” an FAA spokesperson told CNBC on Wednesday, noting that the environmental review could recommend taking down the launch tower

[Anonymous No.14532407]

>>14532404
Gay and lame

[Anonymous No.14532418]

>>14532371
>NOOOOOOOO!!!! WE CAN'T HAVE FUN IN SPACE!!!! JUST THINK OF ALL THE ENDANGERED SPECIES THAT LIVE THERE!!!! WE HAVE TO KEEP SPACE EMPTY FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS TO ENJOY ITS EMPTINESS!!!!

[Anonymous No.14532419]

>>14532404
>stop working so hard
>stop working so fast
>if you dont, ill have to stop you
Absolute trash

[Anonymous No.14532428]

>>14532419
Regulations and shit have really fucked us over and slowed us down https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=dont+build+fast+anymore+USA

[Anonymous No.14532429]

>>14531565
>>14532108
a ship most notable for having a race riot lmao

[Anonymous No.14532434]

>>14531810
Bill Gates and the Illuminati

[Anonymous No.14532445]

>>14532404
Abolish the FAA and federal government

[Anonymous No.14532449]

>>14531810
FAA is a federal body, so Biden admin's politics are all over the place

[Anonymous No.14532450]

>>14532428
Execute everyone who ever worked for one of the regulatory agencies and this country's problems would be trivial to solve.

[Anonymous No.14532464]

>>14532373
>SLS flight to Moon to slip to 2027
Every day, this becomes more and more real

[Anonymous No.14532503]

>Pay us every time when you close the beaches

[Anonymous No.14532511]

>>14531413
>Emma "Che" Guevera
I hope she ends up handless and in a hole, too

[Anonymous No.14532513]

lmao I found CSS

[Anonymous No.14532515]

>>14532513
>Fabian
EVERY TIME

[Anonymous No.14532516]

>>14532503
I'm at a loss for words regarding the mental gymnastics in this situation of wanting both the area to be pristine, untouched, and unspoiled... yet at the same time for the beach to be open for everyone to use, what in the actual fuck

[Anonymous No.14532521]

>>14532516
This is why healthy societies horsewhip NIMBYs or just ignore them.

[Anonymous No.14532522]

>>14532516
>The sacred, important ancestral lands of the Carrazudo tribe
>except not a single damn thing relating to them even exists or existed before SpaceX came to the area

[Anonymous No.14532527]

I don't think this is gonna turn a profit.

[Anonymous No.14532552]

>>14532513
>Fabian Lungu
That's bait

[Anonymous No.14532553]

So far seen 2 letters from construction companies in Cameron County in full support of SpaceX and the launch site lol

[Anonymous No.14532561]

>>14532559
>>14532559
new thread

[Anonymous No.14532576]

>>14529744
I think I had the right idea at least

[Anonymous No.14532577]

>>14531810
Bill Gates is enraged that his billions can't buy perfect natural breasts

[Anonymous No.14532600]

>>14532503
>Boca Chica beach is a treasured, undeveloped, natural and recreational area that the residents of the Rio Grande Valley and Northern Mexico have enjoyed for centuries

They tore the dunes to shit with their ATVs every spring break and enjoyed leaving their trash all over the treasured beach. Fuck right off.

[Anonymous No.14532608]

>>14532145
>noodles
pretty fucking racist
also, where's the rice?