/fpt/ Fermi paradox thread

[Anonymous No.14514740]

Discussion of the Fermi paradox and ayy lmaos.

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>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_panspermia

[Anonymous No.14514744]

Fermi's "paradox" isn't a paradox in the same way that Olber's "paradox" isn't a paradox. It's only paradoxical if your assumptions are faulty.

[Anonymous No.14514756]

God spoke to me and gave me instructions on how to save the world, this is the will of progenitors.

[Anonymous No.14514761]

>>14514756
explain

[Anonymous No.14515003]

why do we care about the kardeshev scale?

[Anonymous No.14515011]

>>14515003
useful metric for thinking about how ayys might affect cosmology in their development

[Anonymous No.14515179]

>>14514740
The answer to the Fermi Paradox is obviously that the civilizations that survive develop tech that is efficient enough to not be detectable to us. It's also very likely that their stealth tech is easy enough to use that they'd have to be retarded not to, kinda like how we use https everywhere

[Anonymous No.14515266]

>>14515179
so they'd be hiding as natural objects like stars or planets or black holes?

[Anonymous No.14515275]

>>14515179
they wouldn't even need to hide, are you dumb? to think that the failing of our pathetic attempts of "searching" for extra solar life warrant a paradox is ridiculous. we can't even take a detailed look at most of the objects orbiting our sun.

[Anonymous No.14515284]

>>14514740
There is no fermi paradox.
Aliens are here, they have contacted governments around the world.
Government are hiding this info from general public.

[Anonymous No.14515315]

>>14515284
how long have they been here, are we talking an Ancient Aliens timeline?

[Anonymous No.14515318]

>>14515275
We don't need to hide most internet data either, but we do anyway because it's so easy that it's the obvious default

>>14515266
That or they just avoid tech that emits or reflects lots of light because it's unnecessary and a security risk

[Anonymous No.14515329]

>>14514740
The solution to the Fermi Paradox is that the universe is a simulation, and civilizations that use up too much computational power get deleted.

https://www.unz.com/akarlin/katechon/

>A corollary of the Simulation Argument is that the universe’s computational capacity may be limited. Consequently, advanced alien civilizations may have incentives to avoid space colonization to avoid taking up too much “calculating space” and forcing a simulation shutdown. A possible solution to the Fermi Paradox is that analogous considerations may drive them to avoid broadcasting their presence to the cosmos, and to attempt to destroy or permanently cripple emerging civilizations on sight. This game-theoretical equilibrium could be interpreted as the “katechon” – that which withholds eschaton – doom, oblivion, the end of the world. The resulting state of mutually assured xenocide would result in a dark, seemingly empty universe intermittently populated by small, isolationist “hermit” civilizations.

[Anonymous No.14515331]

[Anonymous No.14515348]

>>14515315
No fucking idea how long, but I really think they are here, and government hide it. There are a lot of ufo sightings and testimony from ex military, astronaut, government employees etc.
Also just remember how many "conspiracy theories" ended up being true. MK ultra for example, just to list a really fucked up one

[Anonymous No.14515465]

>>14514740
Cixin Liu is right.

[Anonymous No.14515503]

Kardashev scale is star-wars-tier bullshit. I don't know why people even mention it.

[Anonymous No.14515584]

>>14514740
They've been here for a very long time. We have a sort of 'red tape' around our species warning others not to interfere. So that some other species can study us and our development. We are property of an entity we aren't even aware of.

[Anonymous No.14515588]

>>14515503
All of these threads are full of star wars tier popsci shit

[Anonymous No.14515629]

>>14514740
Nimitz incident, they're already here.

[Anonymous No.14515711]

It's probably pessimism.

The history of sentient life on this planet has unfolded like this; Humans develop a self-reflective sense of awareness, the reproduce for what is cosmically a short period of time ignorant of the circumstances, eventually they develop materialist theories that debunk any notion of them being special.

Alien civilizations may even have gone one step further and reasoned horrible things like Quantum or Big World immortality that posit once a consciousness is substantiated it cannot go out of existence.

They eventually as a society understand the merciful thing is to stop breeding and correct, at least locally, the mistake.

[Anonymous No.14516286]

I think the mistake is thinking aliens would create mega structures and consume a lot of energy, they might go nano and consume very little making them impossible for us to detect, this is what efficiency is, we're the opposite of that.

[Anonymous No.14516340]

Aliens have been in contact with humanity for millennia, in direct contact for 2022 years and in direct conversation since July 7, 1947.

[Anonymous No.14516347]

>>14514744
Correct. Faulty assumptions, such as aliens must be animals as we understand it. Cells, organs, and the like. They use metal and generate electricity, like we do.
Long distance communication is by radio, like we do. It’s so obvious we even have an inevitable scale of development, where we place ourselves “here”, relative to…nothing but science fiction.
A truly intelligent alien entity might be fascinated with bacteria, and regard us as relatively complex stromatolites.

[Anonymous No.14516502]

>>14514740
kardeshev scale is junk pop sci-fi. a civilization would never even reach type 1 because they'd be cooked in their own planet due to all the heat.

anything beyond type 1 is literal fantasy, a fairy tale.

[Anonymous No.14516531]

>>14516347
Based big thinker post