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Anonymous Mon Jul 19 03:06:29 2010 No.1436549 [Reply] [Original]

If elements are produced in stars via fusion where elements heavier than Iron come from ? Even a supernova cannot fuse elements down the periodic table.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 19 03:07:29 2010 No.1436559 btw when can we start making elements by adding and removing protons? I think it would be pretty cool to do this :\| But yeah how much energy would that take? Is it even possible?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 19 03:07:29 2010 No.1436555 >Even a supernova cannot fuse elements down the periodic table Yes, a supernova can.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 19 03:08:29 2010 No.1436562 the candyman can

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 19 03:08:29 2010 No.1436563 Supernova can produce heavier elements than iron.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 19 03:08:29 2010 No.1436560 >>1436559 lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 19 03:09:29 2010 No.1436565 Yes it can. Also, uncertainty principle. The power in the sun's center is not nearly powerful enough to fuse two hydrogens together, but it still does

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 19 03:09:29 2010 No.1436571 >>1436559 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclotron

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 19 03:11:29 2010 No.1436583 >>1436565 >The power in the sun's center is not nearly powerful enough to fuse two hydrogens together what?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 19 03:12:29 2010 No.1436586 File: 54 KB, 1280x800, 89359.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1436555 but but Iron needs more energy for fussion that it produses

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 19 03:13:29 2010 No.1436592 >>1436586 Oh, you have me there. It must be Jesus.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 19 03:15:29 2010 No.1436605 >>1436571 Well that's great but I'm wondering if we can actually remove and add protons permanently. Like turn something like Nitrogen into Gold by adding protons.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 19 03:16:29 2010 No.1436623 >>1436605 You can with Jesus's help.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 19 03:17:29 2010 No.1436626 File: 110 KB, 500x688, laughingelfman.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1436559 >my face when he doesn't realize every element after Uranium is synthetic

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 19 03:18:29 2010 No.1436642 >>1436626 >laughingelfman.jpg FUCK YOU

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 19 03:19:29 2010 No.1436644 >>1436586 Do you even know how much energy a supernova contains? No, you can't even being to imagine it. Just thinking about it will fry your mind with the power of 1000 suns.

Anonymous Mon Jul 19 03:19:29 2010 No.1436647

>>1436583
mathematically, if you calculate the force within the sun's core and the amount of force needed for fusion to occur among two protons from two hydrogens, it's impossible.

however, because of the uncertainty principle, a proton isn't always located where it will require the most energy for fusion to occur. it may be, 'closer to the edge of the atom', so to speak.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 19 03:19:29 2010 No.1436650 >>1436626 so can you make gold from other elements

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 19 03:21:29 2010 No.1436662 >>1436605 man this fool looking for the sorcerer's stone

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 19 03:22:29 2010 No.1436665 >>1436650 >Thinks he's going to be an alchemist and turn mundane metals to gold for a hueg profit

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 19 03:22:29 2010 No.1436674 >>1436650 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_T._Seaborg Yep. This guy transmutated lead into gold. He even won a nobel for it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 19 03:23:29 2010 No.1436676 >>1436665 >>1436662 THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M THINKING AT ALL

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 19 03:24:29 2010 No.1436688 >>1436676 To add to this, I'm just wondering because I thought the amount of protons were a leading identifier of elements. And I'm just wondering if it's possible and feasible?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 19 03:25:29 2010 No.1436692 File: 19 KB, 370x300, 1279452826394.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1436676

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 19 03:26:29 2010 No.1436700 >>1436662 >sorcerer's stone It's the philosopher's stone. You've been reading too much Harry Potter.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 19 03:26:29 2010 No.1436701 >>1436692 No I'm not particularly mad I just wanna know :\| I'm not thinking lul free gold at all because I understand such a reaction would probably take bucket tons of energy and is nearly impossible.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 19 03:26:29 2010 No.1436704 From what I understand, one would have to do fission. A technology we haven't been able to do yet.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 19 03:27:29 2010 No.1436708 To all you alchemyfags. Give up. The energy required to turn elements into gold is more expensive than the gold itself. You're spending $100 to get $80 back.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 19 03:28:29 2010 No.1436714 >>1436708 I'm just wondering on the methodology, and is it possible.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 19 03:28:29 2010 No.1436717 File: 17 KB, 322x292, Isaac_Newton_Biography.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1436708 HATERS GONNA HATE

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 19 03:28:29 2010 No.1436718 File: 155 KB, 912x1216, 1277709361150.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1436674

>>	Warden !/XflYWrXB6 Mon Jul 19 03:28:29 2010 No.1436721 >>1436708 So create a machine that performs the fusion, then sell it without detailing the energy costs. Then hide, because whoever you sold it to will get pissed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 19 03:28:29 2010 No.1436722 >>1436700 >It's the philosopher's stone. You've been reading too much Harry Potter. >You've been reading too much Harry Potter. You've been watching too much Full Metal Alchemist

Anonymous Mon Jul 19 03:29:29 2010 No.1436726

>>1436704
I think you meant to say fusion. We've harnessed fission energy for like a century now.

And we actually can harness fusion energy. It's just that we spend more energy to initiate fusion than what it gives back. The breakeven point should be coming this decade, though.

>>	Warden !/XflYWrXB6 Mon Jul 19 03:29:29 2010 No.1436728 >>1436721 Disregard this, I'm 12.

>>	Warden !/XflYWrXB6 Mon Jul 19 03:29:29 2010 No.1436727 File: 46 KB, 498x623, 1274439654388.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1436718

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 19 03:30:29 2010 No.1436731 File: 95 KB, 500x623, 1277711911808.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1436718

>>	Warden !/XflYWrXB6 Mon Jul 19 03:32:29 2010 No.1436736 >>1436722 Either word is accurate. >>1436728 And a wizard. But seriously I'm not worth impersonating.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 19 03:35:29 2010 No.1436747 ITT: Alchemists and wizards are the inhabitants of /sci/

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 19 03:36:29 2010 No.1436752 >>1436714 Yes it is possible but not probable. If you had the energy to do that why would you need gold?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 19 03:36:29 2010 No.1436753 >elements are produced in stars Where did you hear that? Elements are produced in my town.

Anonymous Mon Jul 19 03:38:29 2010 No.1436761

>>1436650

Yes, you can, but only metals.

You see, all metals are trying to become gold, but are corrupted by impurities. Nature is slowly trying to perfect these metals, but we can artificially complete the process.

All metals come from a metallic origin, much like all plants come from a seed and all animals come from an embryo. By isolating the origin from the imperfect metal by stripping away the metal's corporeal body (the solid object) and it's ethereal spirit (the properties we associate with the metal), we can isolate it's soul or 'seed'. It is then a trivial matter to reunite the soul with it's body and spirit under controlled conditions in a way that they lose impurities and imperfections; the metal becomes gold.

The problem of course, is finding what process we must use to coax the soul away from it's body and spirit. So far, we have discovered that acids (which embody violence and harm) work on the impurities of lesser metals and remove the body, and that sulfur (which embodies life) can be used to capture the spirit, but we can not apply both agents simultaneously.

A peer of mine from Persia claims he was able to use mercury to bridge the events, but the stubborn old Muslim will not tell me any more than that!

TL;DR: You we're asking for an alchemy joke.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 19 03:46:29 2010 No.1436787 >>1436761 what fuck

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