terraforming

[Anonymous No.1417380]

How long do you think it would take to make Mars suitable for human habitation, and how would you go about doing so?

[Anonymous No.1417388]

Roughly a millennium with today's technology.

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1417397]

You could drastically heat it up starting today which would produce a higher atmospheric pressure and oceans. Bomb the shit with CFC's and send some comets into the path of Mars. All that's left is converting CO2 into oxygen and so on which can be done with algae and mosses. Basically we could have people walking out (for short periods of time) on the open surface with nothing but a face mask in 50 years.

[Anonymous No.1417406]

the gravity is too low so it will never be suitable for human habitation, but that's not to say it couldn't be used for something else.

[Anonymous No.1417407]

>>1417397

>wtfamireading.jpg

[Anonymous No.1417413]

wildly differing opinions, interesting

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1417425]

>>1417407

[Anonymous No.1417427]

List what Mars needs. Find sources of each. Consider amounts and transfer rates. Math it up.

[Anonymous No.1417446]

I'd do it this way.

Find a way to reignite the core of Mars, some how, even if it meant a mass increase of the planet. This would be achieved by redirecting comets into Mars.

Then station a railgun in orbit around Venus, skim the atmosphere and load it into giant ferrous containers, use rail gun to fire these containers onto the newly mass increased Mars.

Bob's yer uncle we have an atmosphere and hopefully a magnetosphere capable of sustaining it from the suns wicked rays, now we plant some tree and some bacterium on Mars and let it run for a lil while before we move to the greener pastures of our new garden world.

[Anonymous No.1417448]

>>1417425
Just a few m8
>Bomb the shit with CFCs
lolwat
>Send comets into path of Mars
ok superman
>Convert C02 into oxygen with algae and mosses
that dont exist on Mars

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1417457]

>>1417448
You introduce plants, dipshit
Also redirecting comets isn't as hard as you think. That comets tail isn't a rocket, its just ice melting off.

[Anonymous No.1417463]

Hopefully we won't waste money doing this any time soon. It simply isn't a priority to terraform a whole planet, especially when we can't even sort out our own planet's climate.

[Anonymous No.1417464]

>>1417457
>Introduce plants on a place where water does not exist
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.1417471]

>>1417464
>Forgets comets can also be called "dirty snowballs"
>My face.

[Anonymous No.1417482]

>>1417463
It's too high risk NOT to move some of our species out from Earth.

We are so fucking lucky there haven't been any worthwhile meteor impacts man.

[Anonymous No.1417483]

>>1417471

Can we have a rough estimate of how much water you think could be introduced to Mars, and how many comets this would take?

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1417487]

Simple fact is we need another place where mass immigration can come from in the event of an emergency, such as a big tongue of plasma slapping our shit out of existence.

Also over 100 hours in MS paint etc

[Anonymous No.1417490]

Mars has a very small magnetic field, so radiation could be a problem.

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1417491]

>>1417483
Currently its estimated that Mars has enough frozen water ice to cover the entire planet to a depth of 11 meters.

[Anonymous No.1417494]

>>1417464
>implying that it's impossible to take water with the plants to Mars

[Anonymous No.1417499]

>>1417487
>a big tongue of plasma slapping our shit out of existence

Wat

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1417506]

>>1417499
Didn't you ever watch Knowing?

[Anonymous No.1417509]

>>1417499
Sol gets hungry too, you know!

[Anonymous No.1417510]

>>1417487
This is my point.

We're like ducks in a cosmic shooting gallery.

I kinda want our species to be a bit safer than a solitary lonely ass duck.

[Anonymous No.1417514]

>>1417499
>>1417509

[Anonymous No.1417518]

The atmosphere has too low pressure, and if you raise it somehow, it would probably leak into space because of a lack of magnetic field and small gravity.

[Anonymous No.1417528]

>>1417510
>>1417487
>implying the Earth doesn't have an ionosphere

[Anonymous No.1417533]

>>1417528
>Implying the Ionosphere can stop a fucking comet

Yeah definitely done it's job in the past amirite?

[Anonymous No.1417535]

>>1417533
comets don't hit earth

[Anonymous No.1417539]

>>1417533
Why stop comets, it's not like they'll hit the Earth or anything?

[Anonymous No.1417549]

>>1417482

We have far more serious and likely dangers to our species survival here on Earth than what can come from space. Even considering meteorite impacts, it would be far wiser to invest in survival measures here on Earth. Even an enourmous bunker stocked with centuries worth of supplies would be more cost effective than terraforming and colonising a whole planet.

[Anonymous No.1417550]

>>1417539
>>1417535

The dinosaurs would like to disagree.

Either way we're still in a bad position with all our eggs in one basket.

[Anonymous No.1417551]

build communities underground

[Anonymous No.1417557]

>>1417550
>doesn't know the difference between meteors, asteroids, and comets

[Anonymous No.1417568]

>>1417549

I'm not saying terraform the planet just a good idea to get somewhere of permanent or semi permanent habitation set up on the moon or Mars or some shit.

And in the mean time, fleet of railguns orbiting venus auto skimming the atmosphere and pounding the shit out of Mar's with it.

Just to get the process started.

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1417569]

>>1417549
>would be more cost-effective than
God I hate when people say that. So much.
FUCK. COST. EFFECTIVENESS.

[Anonymous No.1417574]

>>1417557
>Implying it actually matters, they will all equally fuck shit up.

[Anonymous No.1417582]

>>1417568

I can accept it could be worthwhile colonising other planets in the long run, but we won't have the technology or necessity to do it properly for centuries. As the for the second part about railguns and Venus... could you elaborate? I don't really understand what you're suggesting.

[Anonymous No.1417586]

>>1417569

You serious? This isn't science fiction wonderland, welcome to the real world.

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1417590]

>>1417582
What do you think he's suggesting?
Interplanetary catch!

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1417594]

>>1417586
>implying I'm saying fuck cost-effectiveness at this time
>implying money will even exist in its current form 100 years from now
>implying

[Anonymous No.1417595]

>>1417491

Sauce or GTFO

[Anonymous No.1417602]

>>1417594

Could you try and be more coherent?

[Anonymous No.1417607]

>>1417582
It's afucking good thing that you told us we don't need a off-planet base for centuries. What did you do to come to this conclusion? Perfectly plotted the position and course every piece of rock and ice in the closest 200 AUs?

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1417612]

>>1417602
Ever read the book Manna?
Yeah. That will most probably be shortly possible.

[Anonymous No.1417614]

>>1417607

See my earlier point:

>>1417549

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1417618]

>>1417614
Don't you want to see a second Earth?

[Anonymous No.1417662]

>>1417614
What would you use to power said bunker?

I know it must cause immense pleasure to utter the words "enormous bunker", but I don't think you understand all the issues it would have. The main problem of that kind of bunker would be the utter lack of sunlight.

The bunker would need to spend power to keep the lights on in the hydroponics/aeroponics section so the people wouldn't suffocate. Remember? The outside air got kind of fucked up by a big fucking rock and the after effects of the collision.

Sure you can use nuclear power, unless the fuel runs out, or a critical part breaks down.

You could use a thermal borehole, but that would indicate tectonic problems for the bunker.

Different categories of chemical energy have such a metric fuckton of problems that it's not even worth considering.

[Anonymous No.1417663]

>>1417618

Cool idea in science fiction, but not practical or realistic. Humanity would waste away to nothing on the effort, resources and funding for this. It's fantasy and nothing more, like time travel and mecha tanks.

[Anonymous No.1417667]

>>1417590
>>1417582

What he said.

Skim the atmosphere and launch it into mars, over time mass increases (tiny amount thats fine though cause it aint the main purpose) Venusian atmosphere gets thinner and more bearable and Mar's gains a thicker atmosphere that we can over time convert for terrestrial life.

[Anonymous No.1417680]

>>1417662

The engineering difficulties of such a bunker are dwarfed by difficulties of terraforming and colonising a hostile planet. I think you can see my point here, that one of these options is far more realistic than the other.

[Anonymous No.1417685]

>>1417663
Sir! The sensors have detected a subtle troll!

[Anonymous No.1417692]

>>1417680
>implying off-world base requires terraforming

[Anonymous No.1417698]

>>1417685

I'm absolutely serious. I'm sorry if my opinion bursts the bubble of all these starry eyed science fiction fans, but that's the way it is. Accept it, put a good case against it, or bugger off to /x/ with all the other nonsense.

[Anonymous No.1417704]

>>1417685
Agreed, fuckers just waiting, like a lantern fish with it's little head-testicle-light, waiting for some unwitting fucker to come along and suck on it.

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1417709]

>>1417663
Get out of /sci/.
>>1417698
You don't realize that it's actually mostly feasible even with today's technology?

YOU KNOW HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST?
LESS THAN THE BAILOUTS FOR THE BANKS

[Anonymous No.1417712]

>>1417692

Even without terraforming, a the same thing applies. The engineering difficulties of a totally self sufficient Mars base dwarf those of such a bunker.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1417726]

>>1417709

And we don't do it because lack of public interest and everyone being a dumbfuck.

God I hate how people go all "hurr durr idiots are holding humanity back". Go out and educate them for fuck's sake, or something.

Go, my monkeys, and be the next Carl Sagan's.

Thank JESUS I don't like in America.

[Anonymous No.1417730]

>>1417709

I think you would be more at home in /lit/, since it's clearly your emotions making this opinion and not any sense of reason.
Give a source for that cost analysis of yours or no-one has a reason to believe you.

[Anonymous No.1417735]

I think it would be easier to make Venus habitable. If you could somehow cause it's core to produce a dynamo effect, it would sginificantly decrease it's surface temprature enough to stop the runaway greenhouse effect

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1417736]

>>1417730
Creating a few thousand tons of hardcore CFC's and shipping them to Mars would not even cost 200 billion. Directing a few more comets wouldn't cost more than another 100 billion. A trillion dollars can go a long way.

[Anonymous No.1417737]

>>1417712
Yeah but the thing is, the bunker is guaranteed to be safe.

Air filters WILL clog.

Nutrients will run out unless properly and laboriously monitored.

Weakened immune systems unless people purposely allow diseases to roam free in this super bunker.

Power issues as already mentioned.

Food and water, water will run out guaranteed, human body and animals if any are taken into the bunker will release slightly less than given.

[Anonymous No.1417740]

>>1417736
CFC's would be self defeating they would burn a hole in whatever tiny atmosphere there already is man.

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1417745]

>>1417740
CO2 =/= Ozone

[Anonymous No.1417754]

>>1417736

Look, no one has any reason to believe you unless you have a source for these estimations. As it is I have no reason to believe you're not pulling these figures from nowhere.

[Anonymous No.1417759]

>>1417735
Yeah but then there's the issue of cooling the planet down, it might stop the greenhouse effect but you still have to cool the planet from it's current temperature.

If you done the same to Mars it would be easier because all we have to do is harvest the soil, and do what NASA discovered recently and just pump all the gases trapped in the soil back out of the soil.

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1417761]

>>1417754
No, I don't have a source. But you have to do surprisingly little to cause a massive greenhouse effect on Mars.
It may be even possible to just smash comets into the surface and let the gases flow if there is enough trapped CO2/O2

[Anonymous No.1417766]

>>1417737

All of these things apply to a Mars base, only it's even worse because it's on a completely different planet with conditions extremely hostile to life. Without terraforming, Mars is less suitable to life than the Earth has ever been since animals have existed, including after impact events.

[Anonymous No.1417772]

>>1417745
Chlorofluorocarbons are what created the Ozone hole man.

That's why there was an international agreement a few years back (5-30 years, not too sure sorry) to switch to HFC's as refrigerants and aerosols and the like while they came up with a better solution.

I think we should use sound instead for refrigerators anyway.

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1417778]

>>1417772
... I know that. I'm saying it wouldn't matter because initially there would be no ozone anyway.

[Anonymous No.1417781]

>>1417759
You know, he's probably not as kooky as you think he is. I was previously very skeptical about the concept of terraforming venus, but a friend of mine showed how fast the planet would cool off if the atmosphere could be made less opaque to thermal radiation. The result was along the lines of decreasing the temperatures to under 100ºC in about half a century. Sure the surface would stay volcanic for thousands of years, but that too would taper off and stations could be set up on the more stable sites.

[Anonymous No.1417789]

uh guys, we can make synthetic biospheres for ppl to live and as long you have sunlight and proper insulation, you can keep living theoretically indefinitely

[Anonymous No.1417793]

>>1417766
Mars isn't that bad.

Build it out of a stainless steel/polymer frame, use aerogels as windows or panels on the module and build it near the poles where ice is abundant, that allows for hydrogen fuel cells to be used.

With water a rainforest could be grown for the module and trace elements could be harvested from the outside soils to allow fabrication.

Mars is a lot easier than underground.

And underground you could even have the issue in certain areas or depths of tectonic movements.

[Anonymous No.1417804]

>>1417761

Without a source or reasoned analysis, this is just speculation. Please just accept that this fantasy has no grounding in the real world. Of course there'll be an emotional attachment to the vision of the future science fiction has promised us. I can completely sympathise with that. Of coursed we would all like to live in a world with interplanetary travel and spaceships, where technology has reached the levels we can only dream about. This simply isn't realistic though, and there's plenty of science out there which is just as exciting.

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1417814]

>>1417804
Tell me then, the upper price limit of sending unmanned rockets to redirect asteroids and comets towards Mars.

[Anonymous No.1417824]

>>1417793

If you seriously believe this would be easier than a well supplied bunker on Earth, there's no reasoning with you.

[Anonymous No.1417829]

>>1417814

I have no idea. At least I'm the one being honest about that.

[Anonymous No.1417831]

>>1417726
>Go, my monkeys, and be the next Carl Sagan's.
>Thank JESUS I don't like in America.
Shall we begin educating you?

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1417843]

>>1417829
Who cares, money is going the way of the dodo in a couple of decades anyway.

[Anonymous No.1417844]

>>1417824
I'm not saying easier, just better.

It's like wanting a guitar, you can wait a month and get a batshit awesome PRS Custom shop.

Or get one now and it could be good, but it's not as good, the gear on it is a bit sub par for you.

They both do the job but one is just better.

Fuck I know it would be hard as fuck I just think it would be a more worth while venture.

[Anonymous No.1417854]

>>1417843

Still no source.

[Anonymous No.1417862]

>>1417814
We could crash one the moons into Mars. Of course the fallout would take a long time to settle and it would ruin hopes of researching the history of Mars.

[Anonymous No.1417864]

>>1417843
Agreed.

I sense trade in electronics raw resources soon.

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1417872]

>>1417854
http://roboticnation.blogspot.com/
Not completely reputable but I don't give a fuck.

[Anonymous No.1417873]

>>1417844

My point was it would be wiser to make a bunker on Earth than on Mars. It's safer and quicker and cheaper and easier, and that's why it's better.

[Anonymous No.1417889]

>>1417862
Guy who wants to railgun Mars into the future.

How the fuck do you plan on crashing a moon into Mars?

I mean totally neglect the massive hazard of it ejecting a lot of material into space which will undoubtedly hit us at some point, where the fuck are you getting the energy to plough Mars

WITH A FUCKING MOON

GOOD GOD MAN THAT SHIT IS WAY WAY BEYOND OUR REACH

[Anonymous No.1417891]

>>1417872

Well you really ought to give a fuck about the reliability of what's influencing your ideas. If you don't give a fuck there's nothing to stop complete rubbish getting in there.

[Anonymous No.1417897]

You make me laugh /sci/

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1417905]

>>1417891
You realize you're supposed to test these ideas and think about them before you write them off, right?

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1417911]

>>1417889
1) Attach a few strong rockets onto Deimos
2) Ignition
3) Rapidly decaying orbit
4) ????????????
5) PROFIT

[Anonymous No.1417920]

>>1417873
>>1417873

>that's why it's better.

I have to disagree, it's totally my opinion and I'm not sure for certain, but wouldn;t it take a few thousand years for the earth to even slightly recover to a point where we could even safely venture outside of the bunker?

Where as on the Mars colony we could construct new habitats as time goes on a perhaps even create modules that slowly leak out gases and genetically modified plant material and extremophilic bacteria to begin terraforming Mars.

I dunno I suppose this is kinda biased from me because I want a reason to be proud of my species and establishing the first off world colony would bring me to tears of happiness and pride.

[Anonymous No.1417933]

>>1417804
So, a giant terran circlejerk in favor of actually doing something incredibly ballsy again, close to landing on the moon?
No wonder there are so many idiots believing we as a species didn't so some of our greatest feats ourselves.

[Anonymous No.1417941]

>>1417911
Yeah but dude, how are you fueling these rockets?

How many rockets are there, how viable is it and what is it going to achieve? How much mass would be added to Mars? Why not colonise those moons instead of Mars?

There's a lot of issues and trust me I would fucking love to watch a planet get annihilated with a moon more than you know but it's just not worth it.

[Anonymous No.1417962]

>>1417905

Maybe, but I still won't accept ideas without good reasoning. On a practical level I won't accept something about economics from the isolated opinion of a smattering of people not qualified to talk economics, and with a huge bias for their robotic future fantasy. This is no more reliable than creation scientists, if only because they have an agenda to support, and more so because they lack expertise.

[Anonymous No.1417966]

>>1417941
LH2 / LO2
We get plenty of power from the sun to pull this off.

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1417978]

>>1417941
>Yeah but dude, how are you fueling these rockets?
Hydrogen/Liquid Oxygen or possible Project Orion crap
>How many rockets are there
Two would probably be enough
>how viable is it and what is it going to achieve?
Pretty viable, and the ejection of debris and the sheer heat will most probably melt ice within a 1000km radius and would release a shitload of gas.
>How much mass would be added to Mars?
Fuck all.
>Why not colonise those moons instead of Mars?
Because it's about having a backup for MASS evacuations and A LOT of people. Phobos and Deimos would probably have 100,000 population all up if you tunneled through them because they aren't that big.

[Anonymous No.1418009]

>>1417978
>>1417966

Project Orion is what i would use, chemical rockets just aren't gonna pack a sufficient punch in my eyes for this sort of thing.

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1418027]

>>1418009
Why don't we go the whole mile and just set up nukes a small distance behind the asteroid and detonate it fucking its orbit and crashing into Mars?

[Anonymous No.1418036]

>>1417920

It's easy to imagine a huge impact rendering the Earth an inhospitable wasteland, but the reality is thankfully much better. Even the worst extinction event, the Permian-Triassic (bigger than the KT event that killed the dinosaurs), killed only about 70% of land species. It's even debated whether they killed the species over a few years or thousands of years due to climate disruption. I'm certain an environment where many Earth species still survive (including mammals) will be better than Mars.

>I dunno I suppose this is kinda biased from me because I want a reason to be proud of my species and establishing the first off world colony would bring me to tears of happiness and pride.

I would love this too. Science is doing some really interesting stuff in reality as well though, that we can still be proud of.

[Anonymous No.1418053]

>>1418036
Yeah it's doing great stuff and i am proud of that, but the I would give up my humanity, my genitals everything and undergo excruciating physiological changes if it mean I could go into space and colonise some far off planet.

All pipe dreams just now for me, until the Manhattan Beach project is actually achieved, which I'm sceptical about.

;_;

[Anonymous No.1418057]

NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR STUPID FUCKING BUNKER FAGGOT.

You have no idea what you're talking about anyway.

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1418058]

>>1418036
Remember a few days ago? Something about BP possibly triggering an extinction-level event?

Imagine if that came true, and if you'd still want to build that bunker on Earth. That bunker would protect the wealthiest most probably and you would die.

[Anonymous No.1418080]

>>1418058

And you're saying this would not apply to a Mars base?

[Anonymous No.1418085]

>>1418058

Also, seriously wtf. That speculative BP extinction event report was massively posted on /sci/ and massively debunked. It's nonsense.

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1418089]

>>1418080
I'm saying that we should have a place where we can fuck off to incase of anything. If Mars fucks over, at least we have Earth. If Earth fucks over, then at least we have Mars.

Mars also doesn't have oil and methane from clathrates.

[Anonymous No.1418093]

Step 1. Establish a base on Phobos or Diemos for coordinating purposes.
Step 2. Send lot's of probes to various asteroids that would take a very small change in velocity to put them on a collision course for Mars. Test all of these asteroids for maximum water content. Some asteroids are thought to be up to 30% water.
Step 3. Send more robotic ships to set up solar powered mass drivers on the selected asteroids. These will scoop up some of the asteroid mass and shoot them out of the mass driver, slowly pushing the asteroid into a Mars collision trajectory.
Step 4. Asteroids crash into Martian surface. They release billions of tons of trapped water vapor.
Remember children, water vapor is THE MOST EFFECTIVE GREENHOUSE GAS.
Step 5. Martian surface at the equator will have similar conditions to those on very high mountains. Deposit genetically engineered lichens/algae to convert more of the atmosphere to oxygen.
After a century, you're going to have an environment where genetically modified plants and animals (including humans) can live.

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1418095]

>>1418085
I KNOW this. But imagine if it actually happened.

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1418102]

>>1418093
I like this.

[Anonymous No.1418110]

>>1418089

I'm saying it's not necessary. All the effort spent turning Mars into a second Earth could more reliably be spent securing humanities survival actually on Earth. Let's face it though, all these survival arguments aren't actually the reason you support terraforming Mars.

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1418117]

>>1418110
They half are.
The other half is having A SECOND FUCKING EARTH where you can jump off a three story building and won't hurt yourself.

[Anonymous No.1418122]

>>1418093
Can we have railguns as well.

No real reason just for the shits and giggles.

And space marines too!!!

[Anonymous No.1418123]

When we manage to create the first teslaic magnetic field we will manage to colonize mars. Probably to a more effective planet than earth is today. There is plenty of carbon and water to feed millions.

[Anonymous No.1418126]

>>1418117

Yeah, it would be cool having a terrformed Mars. That still doesn't mean we should actually do it any time soon though.

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1418130]

>>1418123
>teslaic magnetic field
Well we've already made an artifical magnetic field, but I'm guessing Teslaic means covering the entire planet?

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1418133]

>>1418126
>That still doesn't mean we should actually do it any time soon though.
But it's fucking easy to do and the rewards are great

[Anonymous No.1418141]

>>1418133
This.

Fuck we've already built a metric fuck ton of super bunkers on earth, and it wouldn't be that difficult to build a permanent site on Mars or even the Moon.

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1418147]

>>1418141
...I'm talking about changing a planet's atmospheric composition.

[Anonymous No.1418172]

We will never colonize other planets. We will never explore space.

We will self-destruct before that.

[Anonymous No.1418173]

>>1418147
Oh.

Well fuck we'e already done that as well here anyway.

[Anonymous No.1418181]

>>1418133

We've been through this. You have no justification for saying it's easy to do.

[Anonymous No.1418206]

>>1418172
We're sentient cockroaches.

We will never truly die.

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1418222]

>>1418181
I mean relatively compared to the size of the planet and sheer benefits.

[Anonymous No.1418223]

YOURE FORGETTING ABOUT THE MARTIANS WE HAVE TO KILL THEM FIRST

[Anonymous No.1418229]

>>1418222

Still no. At least for now.

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1418236]

>>1418229
Why not?
We actually *do* have the technology and resources.

[Anonymous No.1418261]

>>1418223
no problem, they'll combust as soon as the atmospheric moisture rises high enough after the first comet drops

[Anonymous No.1418281]

>>1418236

You still haven't justified this, and I have reason to find it ridiculous considering even the moon would be a challenge if we decided to go there again, let alone terraforming and colonising an entire planet when we can't even sort out our own climate. Face it, your ideas are grounded in wishful thinking, not reality. You're like a creationist.

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1418293]

>>1418281
Can you not get into your mind that doing one relatively small thing snowballs the entire thing?
Crash asteroids into surface, gases released, temperature rises, water vapour forms in atmosphere, atmospheric pressure continues to rise, clouds form, oceans and seas form, then all you have to do is introduce extremeophile bacteria.

[Anonymous No.1418312]

>>1418293
>Can you not get

No

No he can't.

[Anonymous No.1418319]

>>1418293

Speculation speculation speculation. Speculation even ignoring the absurdity of a program to redirect asteroids into Mars.

[Anonymous No.1418332]

>>1418206
Cockroaches doesn't blow themselves up or mutilate their own breed. Calling us cockroaches would be an insult to all cockroaches. There is really no hope. I give humanity another 100 years before complete obliteration.

[Anonymous No.1418333]

>How long do you think it would take to make Mars suitable for human habitation
We can live on it now. You don't need a breathable atmosphere to breath on Mars. It's not like we will be living in leather huts and wearing loin clothes once we get there.

[fizx !d75etXAowg No.1418344]

>>1418319
Absurd how?

[Anonymous No.1418352]

>>1418332

With a population of about 7 billion members of our species, that's a lot of genetic variation.

Groups WILL without a shadow of a doubt, survive anything we throw at ourselves.

We are worse than a virus, thanks to our technology we can and will survive any nuclear war we ever throw at ourselves.

[Anonymous No.1418366]

>>1418332
>I'm so angsty, I hate humanity, look at my angst.

>>1418352
Surviving the initial event doesn't ensure long term survival. Should Earth's biodiversity degrade too far and without the resources we are now depleting humanity will have a much harder time at progressing or simply surviving.

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1418442]

Hey fat fucks of /sci/: You'll weigh 38% of your current weight on Mars.

[Anonymous No.1418458]

>>1418442
I'm 5' 7'', 152lbs. That is hardly overweight.

[Anonymous No.1418461]

>>1418442
Oh god i'll be just over 25 kg

FUCKING AWESOME!!!

Super jumping around the landscape for me then.

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1418467]

>>1418458
Yeah but you'll weigh 38% of that on Mars.

[Anonymous No.1418472]

>>1418467
So what you are saying is... we can sell the colonization of Mars as a weight loss program.

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1418485]

>>1418472
We can sell the colonization and eventual terraformation of Mars as an amazing vacation.

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1418538]

>>1418485
On top of this we need to smash Deimos into Mars (or other asteroids/comets) before we get a base up.

[Anonymous No.1418555]

>smash Deimos
Why in the wide wide world of sports would we do that.

[Anonymous No.1418558]

>>1418555
It would look fucking awesome.

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1418563]

>>1418555
Read thread.

Also it would look cool.

[Anonymous No.1418592]

>>1418563
>>1418563
Who says Deimos has the elements wanted for terraformation?

[Anonymous No.1418599]

>>1418555
Melts water across mars.

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1418613]

>>1418592
No one. But it burning up in the Martian atmosphere on entry as well as the impact would be enough to make water ice melt on vast portions of its surface which will kick off the warming and eventual thick atmosphere that is trapped in the ground.

[Anonymous No.1418633]

>>1418613
Or the dust would just block out more sunlight. I would prefer orbital mirrors recycled from solar sail cargo shipments, shipments bringing super-greenhouse gas factories.

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1418640]

>>1418633
>Or the dust would just block out more sunlight
Just like Venus' atmosphere is freezing from its thick cloud cover amirite

[Anonymous No.1418649]

>>1418640
Don't be difficult. You know the premise is sound.

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1418663]

>>1418649
The dust generated from the resulting impact would not be much worse than the global duststorms Mars has already.

[Anonymous No.1418673]

>>1418649

It's no use using reason to argue with this guy. He doesn't care about how valid or realistic his ideas are, or what evidence they have in support. You're arguing with the scifi equivalent of a creationist.

[Anonymous No.1418674]

Just wait 2 billion years for the Earth to get burned up by the sun and by that point Mars's orbit will have sufficiently decayed into the "habitability/goldilocks" zone

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1418688]

>>1418673
I don't have to give you five sources per suggestion you fucking ignoramus because most modern web browsers have some form of search engine intergrated into them.

There has never ever been any serious thought by professionals into the terraformation of other planets. Therefore we should research and hypothesize of ideas that could possibly work.

tl;dr ur a faget

[Anonymous No.1418749]

damn I want to jump on a trampoline on mars

[Anonymous No.1418766]

>>1418663
You are arguing about one phenomena outweighing another versus simply stating a phenomena exists. That requires sources.

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1418776]

>>1418766
Those sources do not exist. It's called an educated guess based on the apparent composition of Mars.

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1418781]

Obligatory: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZ5sWfhkpE0

[Anonymous No.1418793]

would someone mind explaining to me the reason why we would colonize another planet? We have a perfectly good one right here.

[Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg No.1418797]

>>1418793
The reason is in the thread.

[Anonymous No.1418815]

>>1418766
Anotherguy here again. The martian storms can last months and often envelop almost the whole planet. Given Deimos is only 12 kilometers long and in a low orbit, the impact would be less energetic than a regular impact event. Also given the low density and height of martian atmosphere, the dust thrown up by the impact would settle to the surface sooner than it would here on earth.

Of course, given the low gravity and the thin atmosphere, more of the impact debris could enter orbit.

[Anonymous No.1418835]

>>1418793
It's called keeping your eggs in one basket while a mountain is perched over it, ready to fucking UTTERLY DECIMATE EVEN ANY MEMORY OF THE EGGS HAVING EVER EVEN EXISTED

[Anonymous No.1418842]

Let bygones be bygones.

[Anonymous No.1418876]

>>1418688

>Massive butthurt realising your ideas don't hold up to scrutiny
>Sounds like a child having a tantrum
>Any shred of credibility now completely gone

[Anonymous No.1418883]

>>1418815
By the way, the moons of Mars are NOT what you think they are. The Russians sent 2 probes in 1989 to the moons of Mars and they both mysteriously disappeared right before sending a picture of a cylindrical shaped object coming at them.
:o

As for Martian colonization, I think it would be a bit like a pressurized Mcmurdo station near the South pole right here on Earth. Mars will be cold, a fraction of the gravity on Earth. You might not need spacesuits for short duration EVAs, but you would almost certainly need breathing apparatus. I don't know how long the human body could survive on the surface without a suit. I'm sure in the future somebody will try it.

Any hope of survival on Mars would come from a nuclear mining industry and powering a nuclear fission or fusion power station. I think Ice mining would be important too.

I think we are a VERY long way off colonizing Mars, maybe a hundred years or so maybe more.

I think a short duration visit might be possible, but because of the gravity being stronger than the moon's, you would need to land a two-stage rocket on its surface in order to return to your orbiting command module.

I think finding a crevice and sealing it off would make an excellent habitat. Mars needs some sort of robotic airship to get a good close-up view of potential construction sites.