/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.1312353]

"Human beings, vegetables, or cosmic dust, we all dance to a mysterious tune, intoned in the distance by an invisible player."

Albert Motherfucking Einstiein

[Anonymous No.1312357]

Einstein believed in spinozas god

which means hes an agnostic athiest.

[Anonymous No.1312359]

>>1312357
no, it means he's a jew.
lrn2kabbalah

[Anonymous No.1312364]

he didn't belive in free will

[Anonymous No.1312366]

Discussions about einstein and religion are stupid because:

1) He made a lot of contradicting statements
2) He's dead

[Anonymous No.1312368]

"I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly"


Albert Motherfucking Einstein

[Anonymous No.1312371]

>agnostic athiest.

[Anonymous No.1312373]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ain_Soph_Aur
God can have no desire, thought, word, or action, emphasized by it the negation of any attribute.

[Anonymous No.1312380]

>>1312366
>He's dead

He's only dead if you're within about 50 light-years of him.

[Anonymous No.1312387]

>>1312380
No he's dead, but the light that reflected off him and that he re radiated still exists.

Also the distant invisible player is the immutable laws of physics, that's why he was a physicist.

[Anonymous No.1312392]

>>1312380
i lol'd
but still, he's a jew. esoteric judaism supports pretty much any pantheistic interpretation of god and it is a well known fact that many jews have contrary opinions as to the nature of god Himself (like spinoza for example).
but they're still all just jews.
(am a jew)

[Anonymous No.1312415]

"Ein Sof" signifies "the nameless being." In another passage the Zohar reduces the term to "Ein" (non-existent), because God so transcends human understanding as to be practically non-existent.

[Anonymous No.1312428]

>>1312353

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_atheism

[Anonymous No.1312433]

>>1312428
goy just don't understand

[Anonymous No.1312438]

>>1312428
>Agnostic atheists are atheistic because they do not have belief in the existence of any deity

Incorrect definition of atheist, atheists believe there is no god

http://www.evilbible.com/Definition_of_Atheism_1.htm

[Anonymous No.1312439]

"The release of atom power has changed everything except our way of thinking...the solution to this problem lies in the heart of mankind. If only I had known, I should have become a watchmaker."

Albert motherfucking Einstein.

[Anonymous No.1312452]

>>1312438
You're a tard, atheism is the lack of belief in a deity.

Note the A at the start of Atheism, commonly denoting lack of something i.e apathy, a lack of emotion in a situation, cardiac arrhythmia, lack of a heart beat/rhythm

[Anonymous No.1312453]

>>1312439
good advice.

[Anonymous No.1312454]

"All glory on high to Jesus Christ, my Lord and savior."

Albert motherfucking Einstein.

[Anonymous No.1312459]

>>1312452
Stupid Argument #1: The etymology of the word "atheism" means "a lack of belief".

A commonly repeated error is that the word "atheism" was derived from the prefix "a-", meaning "without", and the word "theism", meaning a belief in God. Therefore they claim that "atheism" means "without a belief in God". This is incorrect because the etymology of the word "atheism" derives from the Greek word "atheos" meaning "godless". The "-ism" suffix, which can be roughly mean "belief", was added later. The etymology of the word means "godless belief" not "without a belief in gods".

A couple of etymologies from respected dictionaries are shown below:

From Merriam-Webster Online:
Etymology of "atheism": Middle French athéisme, from athée atheist, from Greek atheos godless, from a- + theos god

From The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, 4th ed.:
Etymology of "atheism": French athéisme, from athée, atheist, from Greek atheos, godless : a-, without; see a–1 + theos, god

[Anonymous No.1312460]

"Everybody wants to be a nigga, but nobody want to be a nigger."
Albert motherfucking Einstein.

[Anonymous No.1312461]

>>1312454
"Everyone bust a move and get down to the electric boogaloo"

Albert Einstein

[Anonymous No.1312464]

>>1312452
>ism
>Not a belief

[Anonymous No.1312466]

>>1312459
Well I personally have a lack of belief in a deity so I fit the lack of belief part.

Cool brah?

[Anonymous No.1312468]

>>1312461
He never said that.

[Anonymous No.1312469]

"It seems they want to fingerprint me and give me some years? They'll only get ONE finger while I'm shifting gears!"

-- Albert Motherfucking Einstein

[Anonymous No.1312477]

>>1312468
"Shut your damn pie hole before I kick you in the cock at 99.9% light speed"

Albert Einstein.

[Anonymous No.1312480]

>>1312466
But that's wrong

[Anonymous No.1312481]

"I am Batman."

Albert Motherfucking Einstiein

[Anonymous No.1312482]

>>1312466
Well, say that I have strong suspicions that you are in fact a closeted homosexual. I could say that I believe you are one, even though I concede that I don't have conclusive proof.

[Anonymous No.1312483]

>>1312482
oh but put him in a sac filled with wet assholes and watch him go to work

[Anonymous No.1312484]

>>1312466
So you're not an atheist

[Anonymous No.1312486]

>>1312480
FUCK YOU YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT NOT TO THINK AND NOT BELIEVE!!!

FUCK YOU I WON'T DO WHAT YA TELL ME!

[Anonymous No.1312502]

>>1312486
i think we just sort of want you to learn to read.

[Anonymous No.1312509]

why is the picture saved as "Einstein Laughing"?

[Anonymous No.1312521]

>>1312509
>>1312509
Because it shows Einstein, and he's laughing.
(Look at his ears!)

[Anonymous No.1312523]

>"A man who is convinced of the truth of his religion is indeed never tolerant."

>"About God, I cannot accept any concept based on the authority of the Church. As long as I can remember, I have resented mass indoctrination. I do not believe in the fear of life, in the fear of death, in blind faith."

>"It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropomorphic concept which I cannot take seriously."

>"And certainly we should take care not to make the intellect our god; it has, of course, powerful muscles, but no presonality. It cannot lead, it can only serve; and it is not fastidious in its choice of a leader."

- Albert Einstein

[Anonymous No.1312531]

Question:

Is there really any difference between a lack of belief in something and disbelief if you can comprehend the question?

Babies can't comprehend the question and are truly agnostic, however if you have considered the possibility of god, and still have no belief in him whatsoever that is tantamount to disbelieving in him.

Now you can label yourself agnostic for the sake of skepticism, but really you are essentially an atheist, aren't you?

[Anonymous No.1312533]

>>1312523
jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew jew

can you guys honestly not tell the difference between an atheist and a jew? i find this to be quite funny.

[Anonymous No.1312541]

>>1312380
Fuck this thread, you made my day, Sir.

[Anonymous No.1312543]

>>1312521
more of a smirk.

[Anonymous No.1312562]

>"I do not believe in a God who maliciously or arbitrarily interferes in the personal affairs of mankind."

>"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own — a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms."

>"Nobody, certainly, will deny that the idea of the existence of an omnipotent, just, and omnibeneficent personal God is able to accord man solace, help, and guidance; also, by virtue of its simplicity it is accessible to the most undeveloped mind. But, on the other hand, there are decisive weaknesses attached to this idea in itself, which have been painfully felt since the beginning of history."

>"The main source of the present-day conflicts between the spheres of religion and of science lies in this concept of a personal God."

>"The idea of God in the religions taught at present is a sublimation of that old concept of the gods. Its anthropomorphic character is shown, for instance, by the fact that men appeal to the Divine Being in prayers and plead for the fulfillment of their wishes."

>"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."

[Anonymous No.1312568]

>>1312562
Clearly a kabbalist.

[Anonymous No.1312570]

>"I do not believe in a God who maliciously or arbitrarily interferes in the personal affairs of mankind."

>"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own — a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms."

>"Nobody, certainly, will deny that the idea of the existence of an omnipotent, just, and omnibeneficent personal God is able to accord man solace, help, and guidance; also, by virtue of its simplicity it is accessible to the most undeveloped mind. But, on the other hand, there are decisive weaknesses attached to this idea in itself, which have been painfully felt since the beginning of history."

>"The main source of the present-day conflicts between the spheres of religion and of science lies in this concept of a personal God."

>"The idea of God in the religions taught at present is a sublimation of that old concept of the gods. Its anthropomorphic character is shown, for instance, by the fact that men appeal to the Divine Being in prayers and plead for the fulfillment of their wishes."

>"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."

- Albert Einstein

[Anonymous No.1312579]

Below are some quotes by Albert Einstein that reveal some parallels between his conclusions and the principles explained in Kabbalah:

>>Man’s real value is defined by the degree to which he has liberated himself from egoism and by the means he used to attain it.
>>A person starts living only when he managed to surpass himself.
>>One who wants to see immediate results from his work should become a shoemaker.
>>A human being is part of a whole, called by us universe – a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest – a kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a prison, restricting us to our personal desires and affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature and its beauty. Nobody can fulfill this task to the end, but just the efforts to reach this goal are a part of liberation and a foundation for inner confidence.

[Anonymous No.1312590]

>>1312531
No. Atheist believe there is no god and are not open to the possibility of god. Agnostics require proof there is or is not a god but are open to either possibility. Baby do not do not have any beliefs

[Anonymous No.1312594]

>>I see a pattern, but my imagination cannot picture the maker of that pattern. I see a clock, but I cannot envision the clockmaker. The human mind is unable to conceive of the four dimensions, so how can it conceive of a God, before whom a thousand years and a thousand dimensions are as one?

Albert Einstein

[Anonymous No.1312606]

>>In the view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognise, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support for such views.

Albert Einstein

[Anonymous No.1312638]

>>1312590
I guess my question, was If you lack belief in god after hearing about him, how is that not the same as disbelieving in god? Aren't you just saying the same thing differently?

So to be called an atheist you have to clearly refuse to even consider the possibility of god, no matter what?

THE SEMANTICS ARE DRIVING ME CRAZY I CANT BELIEVE I AM PARTICIPATING IN THIS ARRrrrrrRRRRRrrr

[Anonymous No.1312666]

>>1312606
now i'm sort of sad that i killed this thread.
i wish i hadn't so you pitiful and vapid atheists could still make your infantile attempts to break the universe down into a cold, unfeeling machine with einstein to back you up.

quick list of jews:
Hans Bethe
Felix Bloch
Niels Bohr
Max Born
Albert Einstein
Richard Feynman
John von Neumann

all of whom are also practicing kabbalists.
shall I go on?

[Anonymous No.1312681]

>>1312638
Yes, atheist reject the existence of god, agnostics are open to either possibility but require evidence, agnostic atheist say god doesn't exist but if evidence is produce I'll change my mind

[Anonymous No.1312719]

im jewish, i guess. what the fuck is up with kaballah. isn't that the tasty bread we eat?

[Anonymous No.1312720]

[Anonymous No.1312722]

>What the fuck are you smoking, Neils?
-- Albert Einstein

[Anonymous No.1312729]

>>1312719
how can you be jewish and not understand קַבָּלָה‎ ?
read the zohar. thank me later.

[Anonymous No.1312771]

>Kabbalah is a set of esoteric teachings meant to explain the relationship between an eternal and mysterious Creator and the mortal and finite universe

>finite universe
>modern scientific view of universe: continues to expand forever and is thus effectively infinite, since the expansion is accelerating

Just because a bunch of great scientists were raised to believe in something doesn't make it true.

[Anonymous No.1312786]

>>1312771
seriously
you don't know what kabbalah is. it isn't just some bullshit idea about His relationship with creation.
if it could be summed up with 2 lines do you think there would be so many thousands of pages dedicated to understanding this?
don't mock what you don't understand, child.

[Anonymous No.1312812]

>>1312786
Sounds like it's something wise men who were raised to jewish religion resort to when they don't want to completely give up their religion

[Anonymous No.1312813]

>>1312786
there is NOTHING in modern science which is not present in kabbalah. just because you are ignorant of something doesn't mean that you can discount it.
i guarantee that no one in this thread can dispute kabbalah without a thorough understanding of it, and ANYONE with a thorough understanding of it will agree with me.

[Anonymous No.1312817]

>>1312812
i'm quite glad that, with the exception of a few brilliant examples, goy don't ever figure this one out, to be completely frank with you.

[Anonymous No.1312849]

ITT; butthurt jews and atheists who are mad because neither side can rightfully claim Albert Einstein as a figure who supported their beliefs

[Anonymous No.1312857]

>>1312849

"In the view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognise, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support for such views."

[Anonymous No.1312874]

iit: children with disposable intellectual fashion-systems attempt to assume that such a brilliant man who could see the infinite in every thing could ever stoop so low as to call himself an atheist or even agnostic.

he clearly denies the existence of a personal god. no one can say otherwise. Ein Sof is not a personal god, or even a "god" at all. our pathetic brains can't possibly understand the nature of EIN.

what makes any of you any smarter than him?

[Anonymous No.1312876]

>>1312666
>Implying that a godless universe is cold and unfeeling

Not that cold, It's 3 degrees out, it's a warm day

[Anonymous No.1312888]

iit: no one cares what einstein _actually_ thought

[Anonymous No.1312896]

>>1312849
Albert Einstein confirmed for genius level troll.

[Anonymous No.1312912]

>>1312874
>implying your god exists
>implying there is any reason to believe your god exists

by the way, when you say EIN are you referring to Ein sof or Einstein?

[Anonymous No.1312915]

>>1312896
Americans confirmed for vapid fat pieces of shit

[Anonymous No.1312920]

>>1312912
The Zohar reduces the term to "Ein" (non-existent), because God so transcends human understanding as to be practically non-existent.

[Anonymous No.1312943]

>>1312912
yeah, your right.
all of those rabbis are clearly just deluded, leading their people to doom because they are too dumb to realise that there is no god.
just like the rest of all jew physicists

goy 0
jews EIN SOF

[Anonymous No.1312947]

>>1312943
>>you're≠your

[Anonymous No.1312988]

>>1312786
rabble rabble cattle farmers rabble rabble THUNDER rabble rabble 2000 year-old stories rabble rabble JEWS rabble rabble mystic golem teachings rabble rabble POPULAR CULTURE sephirot BOOKS MUSIC LOL rabble rabble

[Anonymous No.1312997]

>>1312988
yr uh genyus

[Anonymous No.1313011]

ITT: Humans can't understand inifinity, god=infinity, he exists but not for us because we are puny little automatons who can't think
DONT MOCK MY VIEWS GOYIM

[Anonymous No.1313035]

>>1313011
they're Einstein and Spinoza's views, you unread clown.

Most of you assholes who claim to be Spinozists have absolutely NO IDEA what the fuck you're talking about.
You can't just read someone's name on a list and claim you understand their whole body of work.

You pseudo-intellectual basement dwellers make me sick.

[Anonymous No.1313141]

>>1313035
shut up kike what do you know apart from draining blood and smashing glassware in towels?

all this bullshit god exists but only for those who are "worthy", for what purpose? If you need something to help you sleep at night, that's fine, most people do. Self-awareness is a very important, albeit neglected trait in our times.

>HURR Einstein and Spinoza's views DURR

So what? Philosophical arguments can be made by illiterate persons as well. The fact that they were scientists does not render their views on the subject more important than a "layman's" opinion.

Protip: You're just a monkey, get a grip

[Anonymous No.1313148]

>>1313141
>>kabbalah agrees that we are monkeys

[Anonymous No.1313162]

Einstein 1
Rest of universe 0

[Anonymous No.1313172]

>>1313162 correction
Einstein <span class="math">\infty[/spoiler]
Rest of universe 0

[Anonymous No.1313189]

>>1313148
millenia-old belief systems make me lol

[Anonymous No.1313203]

>>1313189
better laughing than learning

[Anonymous No.1313221]

>>1313203
>derp hurf durf
is this supposed to convey a super-awesome retort?

[Anonymous No.1313226]

>>1313221
does it matter to you?

[Anonymous No.1313243]

"Everybody walk, get on the floor"

Albert Motherfucking Einstein

[Anonymous No.1313246]

>>1313226
we're having a special battle here on the interwebs.

I want to walk away a winner.

> #1

[Anonymous No.1313258]

>>1313226
all i said was that Einstein and Spinoza are kabbalists, not whether or not some deity exists to you.
no argument, fuckface.

[Anonymous No.1313316]

>_
>_load atheist status
>........complete.
>atheist status update no. 506
>[] not told
>[]told
>[x]FUCKING TOLD
>_

[Anonymous No.1313321]

>>1313258
Better keep your fingers clasped then, don't waste our precious planet's resources. Also, your last post doesn't really make sense as people don't just "post" threads with no underlying argument, this is the internet we log in to ARGUE about petty stuff like this

[Anonymous No.1313349]

[Anonymous No.1313356]

>>1313349
>saves thumbnails

[Anonymous No.1313360]

>>1313321
what does "fingers clasped" mean?

[Anonymous No.1313402]

>>1312786

[Anonymous No.1313431]

>>1313402
how is it that an ignorant person is able to disagree due to a complete and utter lack of interior understanding of the meaning of something and that this result is somehow expected to carry any tangible regard to a consistent and meaningful discourse in the face of what is so clearly easily demonstrated proof of the real position at hand?

anyone who argues to the contrary is no better than a young earth creationist arguing against evolution. of course, that never slows them down. i guess ignorance is ignorance.

spoken clearly, if you can.

[Anonymous No.1313450]

>>1313431
>utter lack of interior understanding
>tangible regard
>meaningful discourse

Lol, nerd

[Anonymous No.1313457]

>>1313431
what a fucking tool. "maybe if I'm as verbose as possible people will think I'm smart.

[Anonymous No.1313466]

>>1313457
>>1313450
or maybe some of us just write that way because we're able to without much difficulty. i need to dress down. you need to step up.

[Anonymous No.1313468]

>>1313431
>the meaning of kabbalah
can also be translated as HURF DURRRR DURF jew loners

>what is so clearly easily demonstrated proof of the real position at hand?
lol

you suck at argumentative speech

[Anonymous No.1313471]

>>1313450
>>Lol, nerd

just got called a nerd on /sci/
this is a proud day for me, yessir

[Anonymous No.1313473]

>>1313466
It seems to me you're just stroking your e-peen. This isn't a fucking thesis, you can talk like a normal human being here.

[Anonymous No.1313474]

>>1313468
sure
let's attack the speech and not the point
either way, whatever.

[Anonymous No.1313482]

>>1313473
suck my epeen, fatty

[Anonymous No.1313487]

[Anonymous No.1313496]

>>1313482
You've lost bro, just admit it. you've just wasted how much time arguing with faceless persons over the internet, on 4chan no less.

[Anonymous No.1313506]

>Out of context Einstein quote
>96 posts omitted
Never change, daytime /sci/.

[Anonymous No.1313519]

>>1313474
by sucking I meant that you can't adequately transmit the point, I'm fine with your pedantic way of writing.

>what is so clearly easily demonstrated proof of the real position at hand?
lol = show us the so-called "easy to demonstrate" proof

You're thinking 5 levels below me, I hate it when I have to explain myself, what a waste for your immense knowledge of the dictionary

[Anonymous No.1313520]

>>1313496
heh
i haven't wasted anything. i'm listening to rabbis talk while i work on maths and crush any fragile opinions about einstein you unread slobs might have.

you know, i was an atheist for 24 years. it's now very easy for me to see through the superficiality of it. but then again, i'm in really great shape, sleep well, feel happy, and eat healthily so understandably i think HaShem is a pretty great chap.

it's been a pretty great afternoon for me. just waiting for my girlfriend to come home and then i'll leave you fatfucks alone.

Till then >:]

[Anonymous No.1313523]

>>1313519
the point was like 75 posts ago, grimace.

[Anonymous No.1313536]

[Anonymous No.1313549]

>>1313523
>Kabbalah is a set of esoteric teachings meant to explain the relationship between an eternal and mysterious Creator and the mortal and finite universe

Is this the point? Weird that you dwell at that level and hesitate to elaborate

[Anonymous No.1313603]

>>1313549
I said look it up, fatty. The zohar is online, but that's only the beginning. The teachings are very complex and all-encompassing, not unlike tripitaka.

Why I am not describing kabbalah here: Mostly because I don't want to drag the pearls of sacred teachings out before you swine to be treated like garbage.

[Anonymous No.1313651]

>>1313603
>The teachings are very complex and all-encompassing
much like intelligent design

You are not describing kabbalah here because you are afraid of ridicule and nothing else. The "too pure for goyim" is just a facade. It's a good thing this site praises anonymity above all, sets the stage for constructive criticism and prompts people like you to act like you did, as a real jew.

You dare to call us swine, you insolent semitic potpourri. Here I present you with a typical specimen of your filthy race-religion.

[Anonymous No.1313683]

>>1313651
i don't endorse intelligent design in the understood sense.
i believe everything you believe, except my understanding of the ultimate nature of reality simply goes a little further. this is due to the sacred teachings of kabbalah which are available for any sincere student of wisdom.

i am not here to educate you about kabbalah. i am here to tell you to stop accusing brilliant men such as Einstein, Bohr, Feynman and Spinoza of being vapid atheists like yourselves. their understanding of the universe is so much more vivid than could ever be allowed by your cardboard atheistic facsimile.

i am not arguing in favour of religion or otherwise. i am arguing in favour of essence, which you can look up in plato or aristotle if you need help with that one too.

tldr: eat less, sleep more, troll less, read more

[Anonymous No.1313685]

>>1313603
clever troll is clever.

[Anonymous No.1313694]

Ignostic master race reporting in.

[Anonymous No.1313711]

>>1313520
k she's home now so i'll bid you fatfucks adieu.

i hope the endless light brings wisdom to you all. Shalom

[Anonymous No.1313720]

>>1313711
>bids adieu because girlfriend came home

[Anonymous No.1313721]

>>1313520
>>1313711
He's in good shape, he has a girlfriend, and we're all fat.

CLEARLY KABALLAH IS RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS GOOD FORTUNE AND OUR PROTRUDING BELLIES.

[Anonymous No.1313760]

>>1313721
Surely, it has helped me a lot. I have to say goodbye now, need to finish work on my golem in the basement.