>There's so much CO2 in the atmosphere that planting trees can no longer save us

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Anonymous Fri Feb 26 05:32:39 2021 No.12758058 [Reply] [Original]

>There's so much CO2 in the atmosphere that planting trees can no longer save us

Anonymous Fri Feb 26 05:39:56 2021 No.12758074
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>OH NO WE'RE DOOMED THE CLIMATE APOCALYPSE IS HERE AND THE EARTH WILL BECOME HOTTER THAN THE SUN AND TURN INTO A BALL OF PLASMA!!!!11!!1111one111oneone11eleven
Reminder that people like you and pic related who blow climate change out of proportion by crying wolf are actively preventing it from being solved. When you make bullshit cataclysmic predictions that don't come true, people stop caring, which is bad.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 26 05:41:53 2021 No.12758078 good, i can't wait for the planet to kill us off. we've been a plague for too long.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 26 05:42:12 2021 No.12758079 >>12758058 Ok I will stop planting trees then.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 26 05:43:06 2021 No.12758083 File: 6 KB, 250x250, 1614121938051s.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12758058 Plants love CO2, go outside and give them some of your own if you want to save the planet.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 26 05:43:41 2021 No.12758085 >>12758058 By volume, dry air contains 78.09% nitrogen, 20.95% oxygen, 0.93% argon, 0.04% carbon dioxide. None of these fractions have changed

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 26 05:48:36 2021 No.12758111 >>12758085 These fractions have changed, the CO2 fractions used to be 0.3% and now it's almost 0.45%

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 26 05:49:38 2021 No.12758114 >>12758111 I meant 0.03% and 0.045%

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 26 05:52:07 2021 No.12758125 >>12758074 What a spoiled little girl.

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Anonymous Fri Feb 26 06:00:15 2021 No.12758159

>>12758058
>planting trees can no longer save us
Planting trees never was going to save us, a large mature tree can only take out a few tons or so of CO2 over its entire lifetime before it would have decayed and died and releases the CO2 back into the air. The carbon dioxide were releasing is from dense materials formed by geologic processes, the only thing that would remove the CO2 is either geologic or some carbon capture solution that's geologic in scale.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 26 06:36:26 2021 No.12758239 >>12758058 thank you asia

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 26 06:55:38 2021 No.12758280 >>12758159 >what is coal

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 26 06:58:46 2021 No.12758292 >>12758280 Nigger, the only plants that got turned into coal did so by geologic processes. Planting trees that will die in decades or centuries from now only to rot in the open air, as opposed to being crushed under the weight rock won't become coal.

Anonymous Fri Feb 26 07:14:01 2021 No.12758336

>>12758058
Get ready for the rationing and military lockdown.

>https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/02/the-climate-crisis-rationing-and-conscription.html

>To do this, Wilkerson suggests that planning start now, that the Selective Service (the draft) be reformed, that Congress re-initiate full conscription, and that the military be divided into two parts, a smaller war-fighting force similar to what we have today, and a new, far larger contingent focused on climate-related tasks.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 26 07:19:16 2021 No.12758352 >>12758074 Name one thing she's said about climate change that isn't supported by science.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 26 07:20:01 2021 No.12758356 >>12758083 but they don't like heat & droughts,so the co2 goes to waste https://skepticalscience.com/argument.php #43 C3 & C4 https://skepticalscience.com/co2-plant-food-advanced.htm

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 26 08:36:51 2021 No.12758527 >>12758058 Fuck, i don`t want to go full eco-commie yet >>12758074 I was doing some personal research and the only respectable newspaper was the fucking business insider, idk anon...

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>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 26 12:18:33 2021 No.12759237 >>12758074 Shes crying about her country being infested with "climate refugees" and shes right to do so.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 26 12:24:48 2021 No.12759262 File: 264 KB, 660x550, Cumulative-CO2-treemap-660x550.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12758239 Not that straightfoward.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 26 12:28:57 2021 No.12759279 >>12758058 Just reduce the polulation by 40%

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 26 12:54:03 2021 No.12759399 File: 55 KB, 601x473, 1614292389214.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >in the near future there will be a Climate Change lockdown

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 26 13:02:32 2021 No.12759434 >>12758336 >a new, far larger contingent focused on climate-related tasks So this is how they justify 1984

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 26 13:14:35 2021 No.12759474 >>12758058 Holy shit we're all going to die in 10 years let's give the government more power. The Earth is a very long way from turning into a Venusian hellscape, ignore the alarmism

Anonymous Fri Feb 26 13:20:06 2021 No.12759493

>>12758352
Her "solutions" are public displays of sacrifice that do nothing to actually reduce CO2 emissions by meaningful levels. Most greenhouse gas emissions are caused by heating and cooling buildings, as well as automobiles. Despite her giving up air travel, aircraft are significantly more efficient than automobiles and we would actually cut greenhouse gas emissions if more people flew instead of taking cars, boat, or rail. Aircraft only account for 3-4% of global CO2 emissions. Also
>eat ze bugs
Presented without comment lmfao.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 26 13:21:02 2021 No.12759496 File: 1.38 MB, 2048x1366, 2019-08-06_14-23-53.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] famous german forest already looks like this

Anonymous Fri Feb 26 13:24:43 2021 No.12759510

>>12758159
>>12758292
These.

We could grow wood or bamboo to make charcoal and bury that, but that would require quite a bit of land. It would still probably be the cheapest method of carbon sequestration based on how long it stores carbon compared to other methods.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 26 18:05:35 2021 No.12760521 >>12758159 >what is co2 circle? The more trees the more co2 is bound by the co2 circle.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 26 18:10:56 2021 No.12760542 >>12759496 >famous german planted commercial pine forest monoculture attacked by pests looks like that. It's famous for being dead and photographed for an alarmist news article. It's not famous because people knew it existed before it died.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 00:32:49 2021 No.12761693 >>12758074 There is no solution, if you live in Alaska you and your family will probably be thrown away to make space for the powerful. I would pity your children but let's be real, you ain't having kids with that face.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 00:39:13 2021 No.12761713 >>12758058 >CLIMATE CHANGE IS GOING TO DESTROY US ALL Ok, let's build some new nuclear react.. >NOOOOO, YOU HAVE TO EAT THE BUGS AND BE HAPPYYY Somebody explain this to me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 00:54:03 2021 No.12761748 File: 29 KB, 552x503, 1614320444850.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Oh no, humans will go extinct, how will the Universe ever get by without us???

Anonymous Sat Feb 27 03:37:53 2021 No.12762171
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>>12760542
no, this is just what it really looks like today, it was green and alive 3 years ago, this is what climate change means in Central Europe

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 03:43:16 2021 No.12762189 Well on one hand, all that Co2 is going into the ocean but on the other that means no more seafood really

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 03:47:53 2021 No.12762198 >>12758111 but the percentage of oxygen, nitrogen and argon have also increased by the same amount, so the fraction is unchanged

Anonymous Sat Feb 27 03:49:02 2021 No.12762205

>>12759237
She should be advocating for stronger border security and to stop (immigrant run) NGOs from illegally importing asylum seekers then.

If the concept of a climate refugee was real then what about the other 4 billion people in the third? What makes the Somali rape gangs in Sweden more special than them? These rent-a-activist cunts are riding on image and reputation of science and destroying the public faith in institutions that have existed for over a thousand years.

Anonymous Sat Feb 27 03:52:16 2021 No.12762217

>>12759496
Because of monocultured tree plantations getting pawned by s single native beatle species. Environmental science is far more complicated than >hurr co2 bad. It needs sophisticated solutions for which we need a sophisticated industry to support research. What we don't need is alarmist journalist parasites who make their living by talking about shit they have never studied.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 03:54:13 2021 No.12762218 >>12762198 oxygen has decreased you absolute retard

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 04:05:16 2021 No.12762241 File: 29 KB, 478x357, 1600100445560.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12758074 now that she's 18 I wanna fuck her

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 04:27:16 2021 No.12762275 >>12762241 She's still busy getting dicked by her Jewish handlers. You can have her when she's too old for them at 20.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 04:45:52 2021 No.12762299 >>12762275 found the space laser wingnut

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 04:47:40 2021 No.12762301 >>12758058 If trees can't do the job, just genetically engineer an organism that can.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 05:06:59 2021 No.12762330 >>12758058 I was wondering if they were going to start up their climate scaremongering again now that covid is winding down. Seems they are.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 05:57:53 2021 No.12762432 >>12758058 >save us What do you mean? I live in the developed world so a few more degrees wouldn't be so bad. We just to avoid africans escaping their shithole and we'll be good.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 06:09:06 2021 No.12762454 >>12758058 How about, instead of planting trees, we cull the human population to the point where the entire human race can live in a tropical siberia. Problem solved.

Anonymous Sat Feb 27 06:41:25 2021 No.12762519

>>12758621
She's got a solid point. If you want her to provide solutions, appoint her as cabinet member and pay her for it. As it stands, there are people who are paid to provide solutions for the issues the citizens care about, called the government and the parliament, so have them do their job.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 06:50:16 2021 No.12762535 >>12758336 what are they going to do? Shoot climate change?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 06:51:18 2021 No.12762540 >>12759399 Well in China they had and I assume it still happens, times where people are better off staying home because there is so much pollution in the air you can't even see 50 meters ahead.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 06:54:25 2021 No.12762550 >>12762535 employ zoomers to do make-work in return for unemployment benefits.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 06:57:23 2021 No.12762556 >>12762171 >Plant monoculture >Dies >"Must be climate change!" Kek

Anonymous Sat Feb 27 07:06:20 2021 No.12762578

>>12762171
It's a monoculture high density plantation attacked by pest beetles. what part of it do you not understand?

It's like stacking chickens 3 layer deep in a warehouse and when they die of disease you blame climate change instead of mismanaged artificial conditions.

Are you really this stupid or are you just a colossal retard?

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Anonymous Sat Feb 27 07:14:54 2021 No.12762601

>>12762171
holy fuck are you dumb.
>type of tree not even native, planted everywhere
>dry years because of climate change
>tree gets eaten by bugs
hurr durr we are dying. Just plant normal fucking trees
How do i know you did not study and are younger than 25

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 07:21:34 2021 No.12762613 >>12762171 Holy shit bugs are scary.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 07:23:13 2021 No.12762618 Climate management is mostly so we get miocene conditions and not a PETM event at this point. One is relatively benign, the other is a bit of a nightmare.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 07:30:24 2021 No.12762630 >>12762618 Bugs are scary we need more oil and pesticides.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 07:34:16 2021 No.12762635 >>12758058 >trees could ever save us Every time >>12758074 What a nice and nuanced bait post

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 07:35:48 2021 No.12762638 >>12759399 I legitimately don't understand how this will work

Anonymous Sat Feb 27 07:42:40 2021 No.12762651

>>12758058
>It sure is great that we are beating this virus, I can't wait to go on vacation aga-
>Oh no! Climate change is back! Guess you still have to cancel those vacations and stay at home! Essential "business" travel for the ultra-rich elites only! heheh.

Anonymous Sat Feb 27 08:02:40 2021 No.12762695

>>12762217
More trees died in Germany in 2020 than in any other previous year.
Just 21% of trees under observation had an intact canopy — an indication of how healthy a tree is.

it's not pictures it's not journailsts it's in the official government report, it's hard data
https://www.dw.com/en/german-forest-decline-hits-record-levels/a-56680590

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 08:09:49 2021 No.12762704 Great, let's go all in on fossil fuels then! Fuck climate protection laws, it's all futile anyways then.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 08:18:50 2021 No.12762722 >>12762171 My cousin makes a loving planting pines in Germany (in NRW), her plantation was devastated last year by this fucking drilling beetle or whatever it's called.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 08:23:58 2021 No.12762728 >>12762695 Germans where always a bit slower as other Germanic nations. You see this trees are not meant to grow at this altitude. Also If you plant such a massive monoculture you better get the pesticides ready.

Anonymous Sat Feb 27 09:00:23 2021 No.12762799

>>12762704
There will be large changes regardless, however there is a big difference on the severity and timescale of the effects depending on the CO2 concentration.
If we got it to 800ppm by the end of the century then we would have increased the CO2 concentration way faster than basically any know period in history, for example the trap events (IE: Siberian Traps, Deccan Traps ect.) All released considerably more CO2 but over a much, much slower timescale, so a lot was re-absorbed over time.
We don't know for sure what would happen, but we know it wouldn't be good, so it's best to do the relatively easy things to prevent that scenario.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 09:47:45 2021 No.12762890 >trying to discuss global warming on 4chan you new here, boyo?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 09:53:24 2021 No.12762901 >>12759262 >1751-2017 why do you post such bait? all that matters is what countries have done within the last 20-30y to decrease their current and future carbon emissions as you can't go back in time and fix it.

Anonymous Sat Feb 27 10:46:49 2021 No.12763019

>>12758621
Shes right though, Germs for instance killed nuclear energy for no reason other than that the general public disliked it and built new coal plants instead. Most 'green' parties in the Netherlands don't support nuclear energy. There are plenty of solutions, all we need is willingness to implement them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 10:49:01 2021 No.12763024 >>12762586 Add the time of the circle including the time it takes to form oil from biomass and you will see its not very sustainable.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 11:04:16 2021 No.12763059 >>12758158 Nice hope India reaches 1000% soon to cause more seething

Anonymous Sat Feb 27 11:14:30 2021 No.12763077 [DELETED]

>>12759262
>"China dindu nuffin. It's all you white bois faults for pollution that happened centuries before you were born. So pay no attention to China's carbon footprint.

>>12762901
Good poiny. I would also like to point out that, when the US and Europe was industrializing, fossil fuels was the only source of energy that could keep up with demand. Now we have nuclear power, wind, and solar. So what is China and India's excuse.

Anonymous Sat Feb 27 11:16:44 2021 No.12763082

>>12759262
>"China dindu nuffin. It's all you white bois faults for pollution that happened centuries before you were born. So pay no attention to China's current carbon footprint.

>>12762901
Good point. I would also like to point out that, when the US and Europe was industrializing, fossil fuels were the only sources of energy that could keep up with demand. Now we have nuclear power, wind, and solar. So what is China and India's excuse.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 11:24:35 2021 No.12763099 >>12758158 if this was true that means that despite growing populations that both the US and Europe both throttled down and that is amazing. china be like: lol

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 11:28:28 2021 No.12763113 >create co2 pumps >aim them at space >pump out co2 from earth Explain to me why this wouldnt work

Anonymous Sat Feb 27 11:40:29 2021 No.12763132

>>12762901
>>12763082
I'm not saying China didn't do nothing, just that blaming Asia for for everything is retarded.

Europe and the US reap the rewards of cheap energy, if they want the rest of the world to co-operate with them pulling up the ladder, then they need to help them out a bit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 12:12:22 2021 No.12763224 >>12763113 Care to share your plans for an affordable space elevator?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 12:14:03 2021 No.12763228 If you faggots are willing to ago around and artificially increase your own breathing CO2 with a fucking mask to 800+ ppm I don't see any fucking problem to it, since you've already proven that there's no downside to it fucking cunts

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 12:21:21 2021 No.12763251 >>12758356 nice personal blog, faggot

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 12:22:34 2021 No.12763259 >>12762198 anon that is not how percentages work

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 12:24:44 2021 No.12763265 >>12763024 But CO2 is a bottom heavy gaz, has nothing to do with biomass. Zahara has for example a lot of sand where the co2 can sicker in. Got it? Its geological not biological. You know the stuff planets are made from? Stone and rocks?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 12:27:41 2021 No.12763276 >>12758621 women they never change

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 12:27:43 2021 No.12763277 What percentage of all this supposedly "evil" CO2 is caused by Western countries? How much of it comes from countries like India or China? It's not that I don't believe in climate change, I just don't believe we're the main culprits.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 12:29:24 2021 No.12763282 >>12762171 this was not caused by climate change retard

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 12:46:03 2021 No.12763335 >>12763276 This activism in general. They get paid to bitch about things, they never put in work towards solutions. The second you make changes they have to find something new to bitch about.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 13:00:16 2021 No.12763375 >>12762728 it's happening everywhere, it's almost every tree in the entire nation, no amount of shilling can explain it away

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Anonymous Sat Feb 27 13:04:38 2021 No.12763388

>>12758058
Planting trees was never going to "fix" the excess of international capitalism though. No sane or reasonable person was saying it would.

The answer is to stop(by force) allowing industry to abuse the developing world and always has been but that's hard and costly unlike posting "plant trees :)" on twitter

Anonymous Sat Feb 27 13:05:28 2021 No.12763391

>>12763379
Of course it doesn't really tell the whole story either.
Western nations dropped their emissions by building factories in poor nations to exploit their cheap labor. But they still both paid for and built them, and reap all the benefits, so it's a little odd to not include them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 13:10:30 2021 No.12763404 >>12763379 fucking anglos lmao

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>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 13:19:17 2021 No.12763454 >>12763335 political action is the solution though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 13:20:01 2021 No.12763458 Oh no! Quick! More eco taxes and planned obsolescence gadgets before Mother Nature dies and everything Ends!

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 13:21:35 2021 No.12763468 >>12761713 ignoring your dumbass strawman, would you prefer market based solutions, or socialization of the energy sector?

Anonymous Sat Feb 27 13:22:44 2021 No.12763473

>>12763099
Of course its not true.

1. It's racist drivel and as such may be dismissed automatically
2. It compares CURRENT emissions of DEVELOPING countries with ones that are already DEVELOPED - completely ignores the western imperialist industrial revolution directly responsible for the ongoing extinction event and climate disaster.

There's a reason why all global experts focus on CO2 emissions in western europe and the us - that's where policies must be put in place so we can save this planet before it becomes too late.

Anonymous Sat Feb 27 13:25:22 2021 No.12763484

>>12763375
God I hate this fucking slang cant you guys use normal words.
Also it is what its. A monoculture of mountain trees at low altitudes.
Who is to blame for this? I don't know. Probably stupid farmers. And occasionally some corrupt politicians who allowed that monoculture in the first place.

Anonymous Sat Feb 27 13:27:38 2021 No.12763493

>>12762556
>>12762578
>>12762601
>>12762613
>>12762722
>>12763282

It is caused by Climate Change you absolutely mindless corporate drones.
Or you think the pests appeared out of nowhere and that humans are supposed to patch up the problem they cause with a bigger one by spraying toxins and poison everywhere?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 13:29:22 2021 No.12763500 >>12758058 So what you're saying is that it's now too late to do anything so we shouldn't even bother anymore? Sign me up!

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 13:30:58 2021 No.12763510 >>12763493 No one asked you for your uneducated opinion. And what I think is btw. this. >>12763484

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 13:37:39 2021 No.12763529 planting trees is so 2019 we're all about that geoengineering Renaissance now

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 14:06:07 2021 No.12763645 >>12763468 Nuclear is the only practical solution at the moment, negro. If France can do it, anybody can do it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 14:27:25 2021 No.12763752 >>12762171 >>12759496 this has to be bait to make people disassociate themselves from climate change

Anonymous Sat Feb 27 14:31:35 2021 No.12763772

>>12763379
>per capita
So you don't actually care about the raw amount of co2 in the air? If my country has 1000 people and produced 6 gorillion tons of CO2, that's worse than your country with 1,000,000 people who produce 600 gorillion tons of CO2? Just because I produce more per capita?

Anonymous Sat Feb 27 14:36:20 2021 No.12763805
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>>12763473
>1. It's racist drivel and as such may be dismissed automatically
How is it racist? Retard. Even if it was, so what?
>2. It compares CURRENT emissions of DEVELOPING countries
China is more than developed at this point Zhang. India still has a bit of an excuse, but the term "developing" really only applies to Africans.
You can't be a global superpower and be a poor whittle victim of imperialism, make up your mind Zhang.

Anonymous Sat Feb 27 14:37:23 2021 No.12763809

>>12763379
And what the fuck is the average even supposed to mean? If 90% of countries are literal shit holes with people shitting in public, and the other 10% are civilized, you'll see a huge shift between the civilized and the shitilized carbon emissions. So, what, civilization should strive to emit as much carbon as third world countries? I don't fucking get it.

Anonymous Sat Feb 27 15:10:47 2021 No.12763941

>>12763805
Another point: due to the nature of exponential increases in energy demands, the fraction of emissions that western nations pumped into the atmosphere will dwindle within years. CCP-cucks like to point fingers at Europe for their emissions during the industrial revolution, but the percentage of total CO2 that can be attributed to Yuros will be 4 times smaller in ten years, meanwhile China's will be twice as big.
The countries who's responsibility is to turn Green are China and India. America needs to put in sone work, bug nowhere as much as the grorious Chinese Cuck Party.
1989 Tiannamen Square Massacre - Dalai Lama- Free Tibet- Free Hong Kong - Great Leap Forward - Mao's mangoes -Winnie Pooh

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 16:27:50 2021 No.12764260 >>12763251 >oh noes, facts take your meds, schizo

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 16:29:15 2021 No.12764266 >>12764260 False, CO2 is good for plants. Global Warming is propaganda.

Anonymous Sat Feb 27 16:37:10 2021 No.12764305

>>12763645
So you prefer socialization of the energy sector?
I'll admit I'm not entirely against it, good luck convincing the rest of the country.
if you would prefer the avoid it you need a carbon tax that roughly doubles the cost of NG and coal to make nuclear competitive

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 16:44:04 2021 No.12764342 >>12764266 >False, CO2 is good for plants. No one claimed it isn't, though I'm not sure why this matters >Global Warming is propaganda Source?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 16:57:45 2021 No.12764408 >>12763941 China and India are together like 1/3 of the world population. Of course they will have a larger total co2 output than the USA and Europe which together are barely one of those country - population wise.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 17:07:59 2021 No.12764455 >>12763941 so just split china into china 1 china 2 china 3 and then problem solved!

Anonymous Sat Feb 27 17:13:14 2021 No.12764479

>>12763772
because people are more real than countries, is a country with 1000 people that each has 6 gorillion dollars worth of property less greedy than a country with 7 gorillion people each with 1000 dollars worth of property? You can't consume shitloads of resources and handwave it away with "but your country is so much bigger"

Anonymous Sat Feb 27 17:15:18 2021 No.12764487
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>>12764342
Look at the title, the more CO2 there is for the plants, the better.
If you do not see that Global Warming is obviously propaganda shoved down our throats, there is not much I can do to help you.

Anonymous Sat Feb 27 17:21:05 2021 No.12764520

>>12764487
>Look at the title, the more CO2 there is for the plants, the better.
in a lab where you control every other factor maybe
>If you do not see that Global Warming is obviously propaganda
There's mountains of empirical evidence for it, is there any that proves it isn't true?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 17:22:49 2021 No.12764533 >>12764479 So climate change depends on who contributes how much co2, and not how much co2 is in the atmosphere? LMFAO what is this, Indentitarian Climatology?

Anonymous Sat Feb 27 17:31:24 2021 No.12764573

>>12764533
we're discussing who's more responsible to reduce emissions, the conversation is at this phase right now. Do people who already live in poverty start living in even greater poverty so the wealthiest nations in the world can retain their standard of living? Or do the wealthiest nations reduce their standard of living?

Anonymous Sat Feb 27 17:32:56 2021 No.12764579

>>12758058
When I think my giving a shit about this had stopped completely, something comes up to slow it even further.

Future generations will laugh at us the way we laugh at the climate hysterians who predicted a new ice age at various times the past 100 or so years.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 17:33:57 2021 No.12764585 >>12764573 False dichotomy. Neither group should reduce the quality of their life. >But muh co2 And? Just wear a fucking mask outside. You faggots seem to be fine with doing that indefinitely anyway.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 17:33:58 2021 No.12764586 File: 84 KB, 1280x720, 63bbfdcf-pasco20tweet20-20web_1505048540217_4122062_ver1.0_640_360.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12762535 Theyre americans, so probably

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 17:39:27 2021 No.12764612 >>12763019 Also european green parties tend o support rapefugees

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 17:54:17 2021 No.12764678 >>12764585 ah yes the old just pretend problems aren't real approach, I like it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 17:56:46 2021 No.12764689 >>12759493 Over 70% of all emissions are by 100 corporations. Your individual contributions are meaningless. Without legislative action we cannot solve climate change

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 17:58:21 2021 No.12764696 File: 108 KB, 1080x1536, climate change 3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12764678 If anyone is a pretender, it's the climate (((scientists)))

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 17:59:28 2021 No.12764702 >>12764696 >If anyone is a pretender, it's the climate (((scientists))) source? you must have some evidence right? You wouldn't be so confident otherwise right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 18:01:31 2021 No.12764708 File: 99 KB, 1080x1536, climate change 1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12764702 >Ignored pic rel Or are you just too stupid to understand?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 18:03:26 2021 No.12764717 >>12764708 Given climate model's proven track record, and strong basis in physical science, why should I trust an MS paint drawing over them? Surely you have some other evidence right?

Anonymous Sat Feb 27 18:06:40 2021 No.12764728
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>>12764717
What's your IQ? What's your skin tone? I didn't modify the data at all. I merely qualify what's data and what's a projection.
>proven track record
Like what? Literally all their predictions are failing. An Inconvenient Truth? A polar bear about to drown? Yeah the only Inconvenient Truth there is that nothing happened.
>strong basis in physical science
Kek, the models are so convoluted because they don't have any basis. Find me a single article with a simple model. All of it is big data driven, based on no fundamental model.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 18:07:06 2021 No.12764730 >>12764717 >Given climate model's proven track record Have you seen An Inconvenient Truth lately? I think it's under "Comedy" on Amazon.

Anonymous Sat Feb 27 18:12:33 2021 No.12764749
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>>12764728
I'm not sure where you're getting your information from but global temperature has fallen pretty much exactly within the 95%+ confidence interval always. That kind of accuracy can't just be dismissed by an MS paint drawing.
> Literally all their predictions are failing.
what predictions? provide a single failed prediction from a peer reviewed source.

>An Inconvenient Truth
I don't really care about popsci movies so I've never seen it. Either way it's hardly relevant to the discussion.
>All of it is big data driven, based on no fundamental model.
the fundamental model is the earth's energy budget. Not sure how it's possible to miss this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 18:22:12 2021 No.12764796 >>12764696 >>12764708 >>12764728 Oh it's this retard again. >>/sci/thread/12697388

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 18:24:44 2021 No.12764809 >>12764796 honestly I wish I could have the absolute baseless confidence stupidity gives

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 18:27:48 2021 No.12764821 >>12764728 >qualifies data with paint >ignores models, e.g. >>12764749 >asks for IQ and skin colour in unrelated discussion whoa, now this is what I call a scientific discussion!

Anonymous Sat Feb 27 18:34:22 2021 No.12764855
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>>12764821
>>12764809
>>12764796
>>12764749
Typical mass produced midwits, easily manipulated by "speculations" and "predictions" made by corrupt entities instead of searching truth.
Winter has never been as cold as this one. Thank godness there is global warming!

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 18:40:17 2021 No.12764883 >>12758058 Trees are a minor contributor to carbon fixation, plankton do way more.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 18:40:43 2021 No.12764885 >>12764487 >KGB defector (CIA recruit)

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 18:42:05 2021 No.12764890 >>12763473 This has to be bait, there's no someone this retarded can get out of bed without hanging themselves with the sheets by accident.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 18:42:14 2021 No.12764891 >>12764855 very amusing projection

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 18:42:38 2021 No.12764892 >>12764855 >quotes from 3 dead guys who never did anything

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 18:45:24 2021 No.12764898 File: 26 KB, 752x371, WinterNorthernHemisphere.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12764855 >corrupt entities Proof? >Winter has never been as cold as this one. Are you trolling or actually this retarded?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 18:46:04 2021 No.12764900 File: 159 KB, 255x255, 1601414841674.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12764855 you niggas getting baited so fkin hard by this dweeb

Anonymous Sat Feb 27 18:49:27 2021 No.12764909
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>>12764749
I've never denied global warming. The data is sound. Notice the difference between this plot and the previous ones I showed. If you think global warming == climate change, you're an idiot. There's a huge difference between the data and the projections.

Anonymous Sat Feb 27 18:51:22 2021 No.12764914

>>12764749
And obviously their post hoc model will match the data. What, you think their statistically driven model based on the data won't match the data? How fucking stupid are you? They don't predict anything. They make up five different models with orders of magnitude different change, and are hence always guaranteed to have the next year's data fit within at least one of their projections. There's no actual way to falsify it. Wait 10 years, you'll see. You fags will still be clutching your pearls thinking we're all gonna die.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 18:53:34 2021 No.12764923 >>12764898 >140 years is a long time in the context of climate fluctuations

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 19:01:26 2021 No.12764947 >>12764909 So what is your point exactly? That the projections are wrong? You're not actually saying anything.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 19:01:28 2021 No.12764948 >>12758356 CO2 makes plants more drought resistant by allowing them to absorb adequate CO2 while their stomata spend more time closed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 19:03:01 2021 No.12764956 >>12764923 Who are you quoting? You claimed winter has never been this cold, and that's clearly bullshit. Get over your retardation already.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 19:04:21 2021 No.12764963 File: 3 KB, 111x125, 1611345246989s.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12764956 Your statistics are made up, stop believing people who in 97% of the cases whore themselves for money.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 19:05:06 2021 No.12764968 >>12764963 >Your statistics are made up Proof? So far the only thing shown you have been made up are your claims.

Anonymous Sat Feb 27 19:08:57 2021 No.12764980
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>>12764947
His point is pretty obvious. The projections are fear mongering and not based on data. You can use that bullshit to do anything. I did it proving that LGBT populations are growing wildly.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 19:15:00 2021 No.12764997 >>12764914 >Wait 10 years, you'll see. Implying his memory is good over that range. He will just look at the most recent pretty graph made to convince him and won't have any recollection of what the predictions were today.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 19:16:14 2021 No.12765003 >>12764980 >I did it proving that LGBT populations are growing wildly. Growing the LGBT population is the real solution that has been implemented to curb climate change.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 19:18:45 2021 No.12765011 >>12764997 This was Winston Smith's job, actually.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 19:26:03 2021 No.12765024 >>12764923 damn bro this dude just moved his goalposts into the fucking Miocene

Anonymous Sat Feb 27 19:27:55 2021 No.12765030

>>12764980
>His point is pretty obvious. The projections are fear mongering and not based on data.
source? they've been accurate for the past 40+ years why should I trust you over science with a proven track record, come on man you have to have something.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 19:29:42 2021 No.12765034 >>12765030 Find a plot from 40 years ago that accurately predicted what we see today, or stop talking out of your ass.

Anonymous Sat Feb 27 19:47:54 2021 No.12765096
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>>12765034
this one is particularly based as it's an internal model leaked from exxon mobil (from when they figured out they needed to start funding AGW denial asap) . Also included for fun are some predictions from prominent deniers of AGW.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 19:49:08 2021 No.12765099 File: 62 KB, 700x826, 1573241160096.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12765096 one of the original leaked graphs

Anonymous Sat Feb 27 19:51:11 2021 No.12765109

>>12764980
>The projections are fear mongering and not based on data.
Nothing he said shows either. It would be nice if you retards could ever post anything substantive, but you can't.

>I did it proving that LGBT populations are growing wildly.
Based on what?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 20:14:33 2021 No.12765166 >>12765099 Okay and how do those projections compare to what's measured today?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 20:15:02 2021 No.12765168 >>12765166 it's in the first graph dude

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 20:17:17 2021 No.12765172 >>12765168 No it's not. Compare the y-axis values of the red curve to the old plot. It doesn't line up, and it's not even close. The old plot appears to be off by at least a factor of 2.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 20:18:19 2021 No.12765178 >>12765172 It's adjusted from a different baseline, you know how this works right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 20:25:06 2021 No.12765193 File: 42 KB, 562x437, haha.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12765172 You got absolutely destroyed, just stop posting.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 22:31:59 2021 No.12765478 >>12763224 why can't we just shoot CO2 containers into space?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 22:43:00 2021 No.12765495 >>12765478 great plan, at current launch costs that's aprox $12,600 per gallon of gasoline

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 23:52:41 2021 No.12765682 >>12763132 The US gives billions in financial aid already. It has given more than enough.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 27 23:57:12 2021 No.12765698 >>12765682 >us financial aid >free and I have a bridge to sell you, it's all to grease the wheels of resource and labor extraction.

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 00:07:18 2021 No.12765724
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Every year thousands of hungry kids freeze to death. Because the evil dictators in the North raise CO2 taxes.
In many regions its illegal to chop woods with further worsens the heat poverty. Woods is often so stone hard frozen, that people need to use explosives to get there firewood.
An other common problem is the ice torture, which means that people are deprived from warmth on purpose.
Since years now the local governments, raise the taxes on fossil flues. This is because a coal is a stone and didnt get harder if frozen. They just do it to freeze people to death.

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 00:18:25 2021 No.12765758
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>>12763379
>>12759262
>>12763132
The correct way to approach this issue is:

CO2 emissions per capita relative to its level of development. This chart is a bit outdated but it's very clear... as countries develop they pollute more. However it's not a linear relationship and you can see some developing countries (ie. Russia, former USSR countries, China) that simply do not give a shit as well as developed countries that are doing a fair effort (ie. France) in relation to their level of wealth.

I believe this relationship is called "carbon energy intensity", or how much wealth you are getting out of each CO2 emission. The way forward would be to impose quotas according to the level of wealth of each country but this seems too complex for retarded climate activists like Greta who simply like to use it as an excuse to bash the US.

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 00:27:23 2021 No.12765792

>>12765758
Using this chart we can see some interesting conclusions:
In the richest tier the biggest polluters are Australia, USA, the Arab emirates. Australia, while France, Sweden, Switzerland are the least polluting.

In the second richest tier the biggest polluters are the Saudis, Estonia, Czechia, while Argentina, Lithuania, Croatia, Hungary are doing OK

In the third richest tier Russia, Kazakhstan, Malaysia are the most egregious polluters, while Mexico and Romania are doing OK

In the fourth richest tier China, Venezuela, Ukraine, Iran are the worst, while the Philippines, Peru, El Salvador, Brazil, Colombia are doing OK.

And so on.

It's interesting for instance that the Russians pollute more than Germany and Japan despite being a third as wealthy, signs of large inefficiency.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 00:30:51 2021 No.12765800 >>12765792 lets be honest Russians have more in common with Africans than Europeans

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 01:58:21 2021 No.12765974 >>12765792 CO2 is not a "pollutant", it's a clean greenhouse gas.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 02:06:36 2021 No.12765996 >>12763428 sauce on the right?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 02:06:46 2021 No.12765997 >>12765974 Fair enough But I can guarantee you the pollutant emissions are just as disproportionate as GHGs emissions

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 02:12:36 2021 No.12766005

I have a question.
I know CO2 is a very very stable gaz. So how can it be that you become CO2 intoxicated? I heard this now many times on science channel and other channels. But it doesn't make sense.
I understand that a to high concentration of CO2 can lead to Oxygen deprivation. But this is not what they are talking about hey are speaking of an CO2 intoxication. Is it possible that they mean CO and just misspelled it?

Johnny Appleseed Sun Feb 28 02:18:56 2021 No.12766019

>>12766005
When drowning in CO2 your brain responds by spiking you with chemicals to pacify your death. This is the intoxication. Its the same reason people practice auto-erotic asphyxiation, they are trying to time the chemical releases together.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 02:22:18 2021 No.12766028 >>12766019 Oh ok then its no real intoxication but more like a high before death thing. ty.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 02:26:12 2021 No.12766034 >>12765034 Models from 1982 predicted 2019 accurately. Big oil knew exactly what it was doing. https://youtu.be/FGVW9vJ773k https://youtu.be/oS9VzE0Kqq0?t=2m

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 02:27:55 2021 No.12766041 >>12762198 You stupid nigger so now there’s 110%?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 02:30:12 2021 No.12766048 >>12765034 https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 02:32:51 2021 No.12766059 >>12765034 https://youtu.be/FGVW9vJ773k

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 02:42:12 2021 No.12766075 >>12766048 >scientificamerican They already lost what little credibility they had when they decicided to become a political tabloid.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 02:51:57 2021 No.12766095 >>12764948 sure bud, that's why all the world's breadbaskets are in deserts

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 02:53:02 2021 No.12766098 >>12766075 keep on reading sadfart then boomer

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 03:22:10 2021 No.12766152 >>12758621 She's right cope boomer

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 03:49:47 2021 No.12766232 File: 876 KB, 1900x2528, 72000.ngsversion.1422284755636.adapt.1900.1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 03:52:58 2021 No.12766237

>>12766152
Let's get realistic.

None of these rent-an-activists are right. They demand inherently contradictory policies.

>Reverse climate change, but also increase the number of grid powered EVs
>Stop urbanisation and deforrestation, but also import more refugees and plant more monocultures for my vegan diet.
>Fuck Hindus in India, they should let Muslims kidnap rape their kids(?)

None of the things they demand can reverse climate change or protect the environment (in fact if you understand how entropy balances you will quickly realise inefficiencies are so miniscule that they are not even relevant; only the total human poplation you try to sustain at any lifestyle level matters for impact). It is just one industrial lobbey trying to crush another industrial lobbey group. That is why scientists and engineers who understand thermodynamics are cynical about it.

Now when are talking about real solutions possibly the only things that matter are (i) clean energy and storage (and by clean I mean no harmful toxins; CO2 and Steam is clean, we handle GW gas cycles with ii), (ii) the global entropy balance and (iii) minimizing the agricultural and urban footprint so that natural environments can recover.

Solutions are founded in
>(i) Energy and materials research; fusion and fission tech, good natural gas cycles, efficient renewable energy tech
>(ii) Reflectors basically; what we do on the ground is largely irrelevant, global entropy must be shed with a megaengineering project (such as the one Bill Gates is cyrrently testing) if we want any hope of sustaining billions of humans
>(iii) Literally the only one non-researchers can work on: just stop fucking importing so much shit humans and let the population in developed countries decline naturally. THIS IS LITERALLY THE ONLY FUCKING JOB YOU FANBOYS HAD, KEEP THIRD WORLDERS OUT AND PROTECT THE TINY PIECE NATURAL FOREST WE HAD LEFT.

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 03:57:05 2021 No.12766243

>>12766237
Also stop fucking picketing our labs? We are working on "green" battery tech and some dumb fuck activists chained off our offices because they thought the distillation column in our test plan had something to do with petroleum research. Activists are the most harmful element here by far. Even actual oil companies pay us for green tech research.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 04:11:25 2021 No.12766274 File: 25 KB, 650x471, 1604452089284.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12758058 >human activity CO2 >He forgot about the huge amounts of methane waiting to be released from melting ice caps

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 04:19:48 2021 No.12766281 File: 368 KB, 1500x2335, 2,000-_and_139-year_global_average_temperature.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 04:34:04 2021 No.12766310 File: 1.94 MB, 1168x861, 0198234712389047.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12758058 So the chinese have been wating their time then?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 04:37:52 2021 No.12766315 >>12766237 >Reverse climate change, but also increase the number of grid powered EVs EV's are more efficient than gas powered cars meaning every car that gets replaced reduces co2 emissions. There is nothing contradictory about that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 04:54:13 2021 No.12766347 >>12758159 trees have no live span. trees are basically immortal and dont die on their own. external factors are killing trees.

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 04:54:51 2021 No.12766348

>>12766237
>Reverse climate change, but also increase the number of grid powered EVs
definitely makes sense, EVs emit significantly less GHGs over their lifetime even in coal based grids (worst possible case) and in areas with renewables they're so much better it's hard to even quantify.
>import more refugees and plant more monocultures for my vegan diet.
for most the reason to prevent climate change is to prevent unnecessary human suffering so allowing refugees is consistent with that.
plant based diets are far more efficient and sustainable so this also makes plenty of sense.

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 05:02:42 2021 No.12766366

>>12766315
>>12766348
Interesting. As a PhD in evironmental engineering I have yet to see a single study that proves entropic favourability instead of looking at simplified single gas emissions. Would you care to produce a citation for your assertions?

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 05:06:12 2021 No.12766373

>>12766348
>for most the reason to prevent climate change is to prevent unnecessary human suffering

So you are saying the lobby is actually anti-environmentalist and their goals could be reached by maximising industrial output of cheap goods and medicine to alleviate suffering?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 05:06:48 2021 No.12766374 >>12763772 >Noooooo those chinks must reduced their emissions even tho I'm 3x worse than average chink! Where is my PS5 mom?!

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 05:09:21 2021 No.12766379 File: 593 KB, 1280x720, 1465418666725.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12758239 >Western companies move cheap production to Asia >LOL stupid Asia stop polluting Earth! Every time.

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 05:18:50 2021 No.12766390

>>12766366
As a Phd in mechanical engineering, if we talk about EV and their consequent production through renewable energies they will reduce CO2 emissions, pollution etc. However, so far this is system is not working properly as we import materials for vehicles from China, Chile etc; it is known that so far for production of a new EV we produce more CO2 than for normal vehicle which will hopefully change in the future... At least in Germany in Europe this debate is starting ..

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 05:19:08 2021 No.12766391 >no longer When was it ever?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 05:20:55 2021 No.12766396 >>12763024 Oil is abiotic :/

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 05:24:01 2021 No.12766409

>>12766390
>At least in Germany in Europe this debate is starting ..
Yes, hopefully we are seeing the slow and steady triumph of truth. I just hope that society learns its lesson and bans activism and lobby groups. They all have some obvious industrial interest group agenda behind them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 05:31:25 2021 No.12766427 >>12766409 I see activism as less harming than lobby as it has far less power to slow down the changing procedure.. but yeah, lets hope some things will change

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 05:34:13 2021 No.12766431 >>12766427 I see them as them as the exact same thing. Lobbyists pay tremendous amounts of money to activists and NGOs every year. Activism is one of the biggest service industries in the West.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 05:41:29 2021 No.12766452 >>12766431 good to see that there are not only poltards on this board, have a good day sir.

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 06:20:27 2021 No.12766517
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>>12758058
If Climate alarmists as Al Gore were right in 2006,
Florida and New York should be UNDER WATER right now.

>>12758074
Now it's Greta generation turn to spread more false alarmist predictions and promote their leftist bullshit political agendas such as:
"Don't eat meat, Eat ze bugs" and "don't have white kids, but give money to Africa" to "save the planet" they say.

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 06:23:51 2021 No.12766523
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>>12766517
It's not as if her "generation" is actually spreading anything. She is just spreading what the rich and powerful tell her to spread. Pic related, the document from Greta's handlers that she posted by accident.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 06:26:33 2021 No.12766527 >>12758074 >people stop caring literally me

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 06:28:14 2021 No.12766532 >>12763473 >pointing out where most of emissions come from is racist hate facts lol

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 06:30:33 2021 No.12766538 File: 67 KB, 787x787, Greta.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12766523 >She is just spreading what the rich and powerful tell her to spread This. Greta is just a PUPPET..

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 06:32:38 2021 No.12766540 >>12766538 Isn't it illegal to have sexual relations with minors? How come they have had their fists up her ass for so many years without the police doing anything?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 06:38:30 2021 No.12766555 >>12762535 Biden talked about intervening on Brazil I shit you not. There's a legitimate possibility of wars over this retarded propaganda.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 06:41:16 2021 No.12766562 >>12766540 Her masters can also buy the police (and of course also: politicians, media, academia, etc)

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 06:43:44 2021 No.12766569

>>12765792
>>12765758
that still doesn't tell the whole story because gas and energy generation are directly correlated to the production of food and commodities in general. Several of the least polluting countries are either shitholes and rapidly rising as they grow economically, or they simply don't produce absolutely fucking anything and just consume what other countries produce.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 06:43:59 2021 No.12766571 >>12766562 ^ Westerners are retarded if they think their countries are magically free of corruption

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 06:45:55 2021 No.12766576 >>12766310 >chengdu green corridor when i see someone driving the green corridor on youtube, then I'll believe it.

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 06:54:04 2021 No.12766590

>>12766555
Biden is bombing now Syria because that Oil Pipeline.
A pointless war in MidEast... just for Oil.... It's all so tiresome

Now Imagine declaring War against Brazil using Amazon rainforest and Global Warming as Excuse.

A excuse to "remove" the right wing Brazilian president Bolsonaro. (Removing=Assassination? as Iraq's Saddam Hussain?)

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 07:05:49 2021 No.12766610

>>12766571
1st world and 3rd world are both very corrupt.

The difference is that 1st world HAS a middle class.
while in 3rd world, everybody is miserable except the elite.

But if the trends continue soon USA, France (etc) will become 3rd world.
A few decades ago the Middle class average Joe could buy a House, now barely can afford a tiny apartment's Rent.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 07:12:07 2021 No.12766624 File: 273 KB, 1765x1387, Figure-11-hi.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] all these oil industry shills don't even understand basic science

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 07:17:22 2021 No.12766635 >>12759496 trekking in the carpathians in 1988 I have already encountered places like this. it was all because of the nearby sulphur strip mine. what is this due to, global warming burned the trees?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 07:19:26 2021 No.12766641 >>12766624 yet another lying graphics. increases in co2 would not cause the alarmist scenarios even in the dreams of the alarmists themselves. a whole shitload of theoretical secondary runaway effects are also necessary (not shown on the picture).

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 07:22:54 2021 No.12766650
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>>12766624
pre-industrial levels of CO2 -> 280 ppm (0.028%)
Current CO2 concentration -> 412 ppm (0.0412%)

Estimated Temperature change: less than 1.5°F (less than 1°C)

Wow so much change.

Meanwhile Jurassic period had over 5 times the current CO2 levels while teeming with life.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 07:36:05 2021 No.12766689 >>12766650 no way? holy shit, I guess nobody thought it so far this way, thanks mister science man. oh by the way, its about the changing rate. this why so many species cant adapt and extinct. anything else you want to add or cherry pick?

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 07:45:27 2021 No.12766710
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>>12766689
The "final redpill" is that CO2 and Temperature don't correlate.

There were several Ice ages when the CO2 concentrations were high, and several warm periods when he CO2 concentrations were low.

Disproving the CO2 Global Warming theory.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 08:21:32 2021 No.12766789 >>12766710 >final redpill that alone disqualifies you from this discussion. however, as Im not familiar with you pic, Im reading the paper. see you 30 min

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 08:30:53 2021 No.12766816
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>>12766710
>>12766710

Taking your argument at face value, that means its inversely related and if i assume that that the extreme winter storm we had is related.
It might be symptoms of that. If we model the climate like a type of electron shell where once there is enough CO2 in the atmosphere soaking up heat energy (CO2 tends to do that) a sudden extreme winter storm might semi-permanently lower global temperatures while simultaneously lower the CO2 molecules energy state so it stays cold (assuming its harder to heat up then to cool down)..

aka iceage.

Honestly thinking about it like this, makes alot more sense.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 08:38:19 2021 No.12766836 Man, the way world leaders handled a flu pandemic, makes hyped to see how they face real shit like a climate collapse or antibacterial resistance.

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 08:44:09 2021 No.12766849

>>12766710
finished.
1) the guy who wrote this:
"W. JACKSON DAVIS is professor of ecology and evolution at the University of California at Santa Cruz (UCSC), where he teaches exercise physiology. He is a certified health and fitness instructor of the American College of Sports Medicine and serves as strength and conditioning coach in the UCSC athletic department, where he has trained athletes for their individual sports. He has published more than 150 scientific papers, books, reviews, op-ed pieces, and articles."
So his expertise is rather questionable. In my papers I wouldnt question someone as questionable as him.
2) MDPI Journal is rather useless as people pay to publish. So its rather unreliable source.
3) There are more valuable scientist.Jouzel et al. 2007; Lüthi et al. 2008 show correlation for the last 800.000 years.

Show me your other graphs from "sceptical clima scientist" blogs ..

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 08:45:13 2021 No.12766853 >>12766849 *I wouldnt mention someone as questionable as him.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 08:45:30 2021 No.12766854 File: 49 KB, 720x720, 1611320199456.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12766849 >>12766789

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 08:46:57 2021 No.12766857 >>12766854 in the end its a believing matter for people like you =)

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 09:15:27 2021 No.12766908 >>12758078 Speak for yourself, ape

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 09:20:27 2021 No.12766919 >>12761748 This isn't about the universe idiot. This is about humanity. I want to keep living thank you. The universe can go fuck itself.

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 09:29:34 2021 No.12766935

>>12766816
>that means its inversely related

No I said it's UNRELATED.
There were Ice ages and Warm ages with High CO2
There were Ice ages and Warm ages with Low CO2
There were Ice ages and Warm ages with Average CO2.

So no direct one-to-one relation.

Actually

Global temperature depends on a series of other combining factors such Volcanism, Sun activity, Continental landmass positions, Plant Biome, etc.

CO2 is just one of such factors and not that significant as climate alarmist think.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 10:00:42 2021 No.12767007 File: 384 KB, 1600x1237, sealevelrise.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] every coastal city will be flooded

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 10:41:36 2021 No.12767151 >>12765974 >A pollutant is a substance or energy introduced into the environment that has undesired effects CO2 is a pollutant.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 10:46:20 2021 No.12767176 >>12767007 I'm not seeing a downside.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 10:48:24 2021 No.12767181 >>12766641 >increases in co2 would not cause the alarmist scenarios Source?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 10:51:57 2021 No.12767194 >>12766650 >Wow so much change. Yes. What is your point? >Meanwhile Jurassic period had over 5 times the current CO2 levels while teeming with life. That would be very good for Jurassic life I guess, not so good for humans.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 10:53:52 2021 No.12767203 File: 54 KB, 600x450, Al Gore.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12767007 "Florida will be flooded in 2020" said Al Gore 15 years ago. Meanwhile Texas is frozen.

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 10:54:23 2021 No.12767205

>>12767007
This is the ultimate nightmare. How many films have you not seen, where the protagonist is trapped in a room where the water is slowly rising, leading to inevitable drowning? Of course, in the movies, there is always some deuce ex machina saving our hero in the nick of time, but for these people, no such salvage will occur. What's more, the water is rising to drown-point not within minutes, but decades. Slowly the children will drown first (or they would, if they didn't grow faster than the sea levels are rising), then the elderly (if Covid hadn't gotten to them first), and then the young and healthy will drown as they go prone on their floor, trying to retrieve something that floated underneath their couch.

I cry everyday thinking bout this.

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 10:55:16 2021 No.12767209

>>12766710
>The "final redpill" is that CO2 and Temperature don't correlate.
I would only expect them to correlate over those timeframes if they were the only relevant factors determining the climate over that timeframe. Since they aren't, you have no point.

>There were several Ice ages when the CO2 concentrations were high, and several warm periods when he CO2 concentrations were low.
Ice ages are caused by continental drift blocking the flow of warm water to the poles.

>Disproving the CO2 Global Warming theory.
How?

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 11:00:49 2021 No.12767231
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>>12766935
>So no direct one-to-one relation.
There is a direct causal relationship, that doesn't mean there will be a one to one correlation.

>CO2 is just one of such factors and not that significant as climate alarmist think.
So CO2 is a factor? Then how does this disprove AGW? CO2 is the main factor currently. Other factors are either operating on much longer timescales that can't explain such rapid warming or are going in the opposite direction. We would be slowly cooling right now if not for massive CO2 emissions.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 11:02:51 2021 No.12767235 >>12767203 >Al Gore >Al Gore >Al Gore Weird how deniers never cite any climate scientists when claiming they're all wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 11:05:34 2021 No.12767245 >>12767205 >if it's slow it's not a problem >floods getting worse isn't a problem OK, retard.

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 11:11:08 2021 No.12767266

>>12766590
That's the problem with these climate activists.
Climate change is real and works as the science has predicted. There's no problem with the science here.

The problem is that these activists are politically motivated, serving other interests. There is no way to explain Greta attacking Brazil at the UN while ignoring China and India.

The real context of this attack was that the EU had just signed a trade agreement with Mercosur (South American trade block) which European farm lobbies oppose and so they seek to paint the president of Brazil as "destroying the Amazon" as an excuse to not retify that treaty.

The countries Greta attacked at the UN were all signatories to the emissions pact to begin with and neither among the biggest top 5 world polluters. The countries that didn't sign that emissions pact were immune from attack. So in effect she was attacking the countries that were at least trying to do something.

This kind of shit puts smart people off environmentalism altogether.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 11:14:04 2021 No.12767278 >>12766710 >don't correlate sure they do https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLjkLPnIPPw

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 11:21:07 2021 No.12767301 File: 166 KB, 867x563, 506.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12767278

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 11:23:16 2021 No.12767311

>>12767266
>ignoring China and India.
and yet it was the USA who left the clima contract. and again, why is it relevant what Greta, al Gore or whatever says? those are people with no real power. the discussion here is backed up by knowledge from scientific papers not populistic screamers. to solve this crisis ALL countries need sit together and work on compromises. the environmental activists wouldnt be needed if there was progress. what happened so far are peanuts that wont change too much ..

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 11:27:13 2021 No.12767326

>>12767266
Honestly this, between these self-owns they keep doing by burning people out with predictions to scare people into action (everyone will die in 10 years if you do not do anything) and the anti-nuclear push they are just absolutely retarded.

I feel bad for any scientist who cares about this because their activists are absolutely screwing them over.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 11:28:15 2021 No.12767328 >>12767311 >clima

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 11:29:17 2021 No.12767333

>>12767311
I know, /pol/tard denialists are utterly retarded and I have spent my share of time knocking down their shitty arguments here, there is no problem with the science.

I have to agree on them hating Greta though.
Nobody with honest motivations would use a kid as a political attack dog.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 11:32:50 2021 No.12767339 >>12766710 You're ignoring the effects of the sun

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 11:35:32 2021 No.12767349

>>12767333
>I have to agree on them hating Greta though.
I dont get this hate; she repeats stuff from scientists, informs her generation and seems to be heard which is a good thing. I would never donate or take her seriously in any other aspect.
btw nice digits.

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 11:38:08 2021 No.12767359
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>>12767266
This . China is the largest emitter of CO2 and India is the 3rd largest (while USA is the 2nd).

China pollutes much more. China's Huge air pollution smoke clouds are massive and visible from space.

Globalists such as Biden are p*ssies that fear war with China.

Brazil is targeted just because Brazil's president is an anti-globalist right-wing.

While Brazil Bolsonaro was attacked by the Media for "saying mean things that hurt feelings" just like Trump.

Meanwhile China is literally genociding Uyghur Muslims in concentration camps.

China's government should be held accountable for their crimes against humanity (not just Human rights abuse but also the damages to the environment)

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 11:43:02 2021 No.12767374

>>12766048
Holy shit what a pozzed source.
>Exxon knew about climate change
What's with this bullshit shift in language? They knew about global warming. That's been known be everyone for decades. Climate change makes wildly different claims than just global warming. You know why you don't see any articles proving predictions about that right? Because there aren't any. Coastal cities aren't under water. Polar ice caps aren't melted. So on.
>But muh wildfire and muh blizzards and muh tornadoes
No, fuck you. Not a single one of these events is predicted in any area due to (((climate change))). It's all simple, ordinary weather fluctuations that climatologists capitalize on to scare policy makers and alphabet organizations into giving them more funding. I'm fucking sick of it. If global warming is as bad as they say it is, then they don't need to exaggerate and chalk it up to tornados and blizzards in Texas and so on.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 11:48:23 2021 No.12767391 >>12767359 >>12767374 you sound like you read a lot of papers ;^)

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 11:52:43 2021 No.12767405

>>12767235
Weird how Al Gore won the Nobel Peace prize was the the Greta of the 2000s. Great also nominated for Nobel Peace prize. If they're hacks, why are they propped up so much? I think a part of you already knows it's because they're communicating (accurately) the findings of such scientists.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 11:52:50 2021 No.12767407 >>12764455 if smaller regions were allowed to autonoumously control their own CO2 emissions, I assure you they would probablby do a much bettter job than chinas as a whole.

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 11:57:29 2021 No.12767426

>>12767391
>Ad hominem
Go ahead, find any prediction from before 2000 on sea levels, or tornados, or blizzards, or droughts that they predicted to see in 2020. These are all supposedly effects climate change, are they not? So where the fuck are the predictions? These climate models are so good, so powerful, so predictive, yet not one of them can predict any of this stuff. All they do is make post hoc assertions that all weather fluctuations are the result of global warming. This is, I think, because global warming isn't a big deal. So the earth gets 10 Celsius hotter. Onoes, who gives a shit? Life will evolve.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 12:07:41 2021 No.12767446 File: 231 KB, 584x301, 1613866497691.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12767426 Come to think of it, climate change is only a problem if you faggots don't believe in evolution. What, you doubt life's ability to adapt? Kek.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 12:09:00 2021 No.12767450 >>12767235 Weird how the only accurate predictions graph in this thread comes from an oil company and not an academic source.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 12:18:16 2021 No.12767483 >>12767426 >This is, I think lulz >Go ahead, find any prediction Why would I even bother. This is not a conversation of people with the same will. It's retards demanding sources that they will ignore. As if your opinion matters.

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 12:31:33 2021 No.12767517

>>12767483
I didn't ignore the Exxon source. Others may have but I didn't. I think it's really good evidence that global warming is real and predictable. All I ask is that same degree of rigor is applied to all other sources of climate change. Where are the predictions of droughts, sea levels, ice cap density, blizzards, tornadoes, tsunamis, etc.? And I mean beyond a nebulous "well climate is turbulent and will change and be drastic!" I want quantifications, like how Exxon quantified the amount of CO2 in the air forty years in the future. Where are those? The only ones I've seen were the ones advocated by Al Gore, for which he won the Nobel peace prize mind you. No climate scientists attacked his presentation as falsehoods. Yet, none of them came to pass.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 13:37:49 2021 No.12767702 >>12766919 You won't be alive to see climate change at its worst. You would have died as a front line soldier in the Chinese World War.

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 13:48:17 2021 No.12767735

>>12766366
>PhD in enviromental engineering
I'm taking a required class in enviromental engineering and it's the most boring shit I've ever had the immense displeasure of studying.
Just why the fuck would you pursue a phd in such a shit field?
Just reading the book for this class legitimately makes me want to blow my brains out

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 14:02:51 2021 No.12767798 >>12767735 I studied Chemical Engineering and wanted to do a PhD. This department was the only one that offered me a funded position. I hate it too.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 14:20:18 2021 No.12767851 >>12767798 Well shit dude now I feel bad for you. I'm sure in the end it will all be worth it, I've heard enviromental engineers charge top dollar for their work, so hang in there dude!.

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 14:27:16 2021 No.12767875

>>12767851
No it won't. I hate myself and I want to die. I have to deal with fucking climate fanatics daily and grind my teeth as they virtue signal about their irrelevant vegan diet. You have no idea about the hell I live in Anon. I which I just did fucking control engineering for my Masters.

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 14:29:17 2021 No.12767885
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>>12767176
Florida is a battleground state, this means government will shower this failed state with money to make up for flooding. Taxpayer money.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 16:42:30 2021 No.12768437 >>12767517 >https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar5/wg2/ happy reading

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 16:44:28 2021 No.12768450 >>12768437 >https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar5/wg2/ Okay, which link do you want me to read, and why?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 16:46:22 2021 No.12768459 >>12767405 > Nobel Peace prize >politician wins political prize wow big surprise

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 16:51:15 2021 No.12768487 >>12768437 the whole thing? it's exactly what you asked for so I'd expect you to actually read it

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 16:52:17 2021 No.12768495 >>12768487 meant for >>12768450

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 16:56:14 2021 No.12768528 >>12768450 if you want long term predictions chapter 12 is also a good read, https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/02/WG1AR5_Chapter12_FINAL.pdf Really the whole physical science basis portion of AR5 is really good

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 17:07:12 2021 No.12768584 File: 70 KB, 799x600, The unbunkable.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Climate science as a field was debunked already, stop posting about it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 17:14:35 2021 No.12768611 >>12768584 source?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 17:15:16 2021 No.12768614 >>12768584 >look mom, i posted it again retard

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 17:50:13 2021 No.12768734 >>12767359 >>12767374 >What's with this bullshit shift in language? They knew about global warming. >I CAN'T HANDLE TWO PHRASES BEING USED AAAARGH Sperg

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 17:52:39 2021 No.12768743

>>12767405
>I think a part of you already knows it's because they're communicating (accurately) the findings of such scientists.
One has nothing to do with the other. If scientists were actually wrong it would be very easy to just show them saying it. Instead you make some convoluted argument about Nobel Peace Prizes and Al Gore. You know you're full of shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 17:53:14 2021 No.12768748 >>12762635 you're actually retarded

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 17:56:54 2021 No.12768765 File: 53 KB, 403x448, cvbbmwwe4rzz.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12767446 >anything which doesn't kill me is not a problem >evolution adapts to any change >mass extinctions don't exist

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 17:58:05 2021 No.12768769

>>12768734
The problem is that climate change includes claims about tornadoes and other anomalous weather events. They use the well-documented global warming to justify the ill-supported nebulous climate change. So, yeah, the shift in language is a big deal.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 18:09:08 2021 No.12768820 >>12767426 >All they do is make post hoc assertions that all weather fluctuations are the result of global warming. Source?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 18:10:51 2021 No.12768828 >>12768820 source is https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar5/wg2/ enjoy

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 18:10:54 2021 No.12768829 >>12767450 Why are you lying? >>12764749

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 18:15:58 2021 No.12768855 >>12768769 >They use the well-documented global warming to justify the ill-supported nebulous climate change. Retard, global warming is climate change, and that's what the Exxon graph shows. Stop whining about semantics.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 18:17:01 2021 No.12768862 >>12768828 I don't see anything there that claims all weather fluctuations are the result of global warming.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 18:17:50 2021 No.12768864 File: 1.46 MB, 2825x3999, Astroturfing India.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12766523 >>12766538

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 18:18:57 2021 No.12768868 File: 37 KB, 1213x264, Climate Change vs Global Warming.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12768855 >global warming is climate change I fucking hate pseuds.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 18:20:21 2021 No.12768870 File: 45 KB, 570x487, ok.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12768862 >spent 7 minutes perusing thousands of pages of articles >didn't find anything that doesn't support his preconceived notions Of course you didn't.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 18:21:53 2021 No.12768875 >>12768864 Oh my god *GOOGLE DOCS* You cracked the conspiracy, bro!

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 18:23:51 2021 No.12768885 >>12768870 >>spent 7 minutes perusing thousands of pages of articles What? I'm highly familiar with AR5. I've used it for years for reference. You're assuming everyone is as ignorant as you about climate science.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 18:24:53 2021 No.12768890 >>12768868 >Climate change includes global warming Thanks for proving my point.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 18:26:27 2021 No.12768900 >>12768890 Go back and review the comments faggots. Exxon predicted ONLY Global Warming, and then the scientificamerican article link called it Climate Change. That's called a shift in language. You're 100% a midwit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 18:36:07 2021 No.12768943 >>12768900 why does it even matter?

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 18:36:54 2021 No.12768946

>>12768900
>Exxon predicted ONLY Global Warming, and then the scientificamerican article link called it Climate Change.
Right, and since climate change includes global warming, they're correct.

>Lady Gaga's dogs were stolen but the New York Times headline says her pets were stolen! FAKE NEWS!

Are you mentally ill?

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 18:40:00 2021 No.12768962

>>12768943
>>12768946
It matters because global warming has far more evidence in support of it than do the general claims of climate change. When I use the strong evidence of global warming to prop up the general claims of climate change, I'm being dishonest.
>Lady Gaga's dogs were stolen but the New York Times headline says her pets were stolen! FAKE NEWS!
Wrong analogy, faggot. The problem isn't that climate change is more general, the problem is that the evidence in favor of these more general claims is far weaker. Here's a better analogy:
>Physicists detect Higgs Boson at the LHC, confirming the existence of Dark Matter particles

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 18:56:42 2021 No.12769019

>>12768962
>It matters because global warming has far more evidence in support of it than do the general claims of climate change
What claim is the article talking about that lack evidence?

>When I use the strong evidence of global warming to prop up the general claims of climate change, I'm being dishonest.
Who is doing this?

>The problem isn't that climate change is more general, the problem is that the evidence in favor of these more general claims is far weaker.
That has nothing to do with the analogy. You're saying that the New York Times is saying Lady Gaga had cats because it used the word pets.

>Physicists detect Higgs Boson at the LHC, confirming the existence of Dark Matter particles
This fails because the Higgs boson isn't dark matter. Global warming is climate change. Retard.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 18:58:15 2021 No.12769024 >>12769019 >bad faith arguments Ask me how I know you frequently post on leddit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 19:08:18 2021 No.12769069 >>12769024 >anything I don't have a response to is bad faith like clockwork

Anonymous Sun Feb 28 19:16:06 2021 No.12769095

>>12769069
No, it's the faggot rhetoric you find uniquely on leddit. It's stupid bad faith arguments that are constructed to be impossible to respond to.
>literally nobody says that
>only you say that
>that has nothing to do with it
>you're saying
>quote mining
>quote fragmenting
>break a 100 word comment into 15 quotes each of 10 words, respond to each
For starters, stop debating on leddit. Shit is poisoning your mind more than /pol/ would. Secondly, read some proper sources on rhetoric. Your current rhetoric is utter garbage. You can start here for some understanding of it.
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/aristotle-rhetoric

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 19:37:27 2021 No.12769172 >>12769095 >stop debating on leddit. this has nothing to do with the argument > Your current rhetoric is utter garbage literally only you say that

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 19:42:38 2021 No.12769186 >>12762198 Kekked

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 19:43:41 2021 No.12769189 File: 45 KB, 1000x1000, Bait_tutorial.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12769172

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 19:47:49 2021 No.12769203 >>12769024 >bad faith >says the guy misrepresenting the article and ignoring context Nice projection, retard.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 22:47:17 2021 No.12769819 >>12758058 Oh no, even the traffic gone to a record minimum, with virtually no air traffic, thanks to Covid, couldn't stop those god damn cows from farting. Someone burn me with a can of aerosol spray!

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 28 23:19:44 2021 No.12769918 >>12763473 >China >Not developed stfu moron

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 1 01:51:50 2021 No.12770311 Does the ozone layer still exist? Everyone was talking about the ozone layer disappearing because of global warming 10-20 years ago, yet I can't remember the last time I've heard it brought up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 1 02:04:16 2021 No.12770346 >>12770311 The world got together, banned and heavily restricted CFCs with the Montreal protocol and the ozone layer has been recovering quite well.

Anonymous Mon Mar 1 02:19:09 2021 No.12770391

This crisis will only get solved with massive geoengineering, which will only happen when China/US/EU starts feeling serious effects, like Shanghai or NYC suffering from flooding, or parts of the Netherlands going under. So until then I wouldn't hold my breath for any effort towards a solution to global warming being developed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 1 02:47:47 2021 No.12770463 >>12770346 Well that's good news at least

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 1 03:25:53 2021 No.12770528 >>12758058 just put me in charge. ill fix it

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 1 04:26:43 2021 No.12770635 File: 306 KB, 2048x1365, thatcher-reagan.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12770463 but back then the world had actual leaders

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 1 05:10:46 2021 No.12770708 >>12770635 >tfw boomers got Reagan who decisively solved the all the world's problems >tfw the best leader we ever got was a cheeto man who pussied out on everything At least we have a good economy (for now) I suppose.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 1 11:09:02 2021 No.12771653 >>12766310 Isn't any stretch of road with trees a green corridor?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 1 11:21:36 2021 No.12771704 >>12767181 my ass, and it has a lot more credibility than the whole of academia put together

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 1 11:23:37 2021 No.12771712 >>12768765 yes mass extinctions exist, that's the whole point of not worrying. at best you are only accelarating the inevitable. ECOACCELERATIONISM

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