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Why isn't education one of the most heavily funded aspects of American life? Logic dictates that an educated public would be more likely to reach breakthroughs than a public divided between the smart and the stupid. Guaranteeing a free college education is the best way to incite innovation.

>> No.1274292

Poor, stupid people are easier to exploit.

Why would the rich and powerful want to create more competition?

>> No.1274297

Smart people think too much, which means corporations and government can't do anything they want,

>> No.1274299

>>1274292
YAY CAPITALISM!

>> No.1274301

Making people pay for their education is a good way to fund research. IMO the people who benefit from said education should make a contribution and the government should be pumping money in as well.

>> No.1274303

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGL8FEMc378

>> No.1274306

>>1274301
Maybe mandate a work/study program?

>> No.1274309

>>1274303
He is talking about high school; which is probably poor. But as a European let me assure you that you have the best universities in the world.

>> No.1274324

>>1274287

You're asking a stupid question. You should look at more general questions about American culture, and also the conditions under which the country was founded.

There, you will find that the poor treatment of education is ultimately the consequence of the American desire to independent thought; to not be told what to think. This happens in other countries, of course (British schoolchildren had a very violent reaction to their education system in the sixties, in large part because it was poorly structured and not at all pedagogical) but the US is laced with it back to the arrival of the early colonists.

It's the same thing that makes Americans competitive, entrepreneurial, and allowed them to lead in the 20th century... but those traits are taking over and pushing out respect for others and cooperativity. Blame McCarthy.

>> No.1274336

>>1274324
That's bullshit. Providing a higher education doesn't mean that you're "telling someone what to think".

>> No.1274351

>>1274287
>education not heavily funded in the US
Are you a moron?

>> No.1274353

>>1274287
>the best way to incite innovation.
Ironically we've pushed it far enough that we're hurting ourselves. Postdocs are effectively slaved to deplorable wages and endless lab monkey work for years before having the slightest chance at getting an actual research position where they can do their own work. A recent study showed that the average age for a science related postdoc getting to a position where they can pursue their own ideas and apply for research grants had soared to 42, well past the best years for those endeavors.

I wish I could find the damn article.

>> No.1274362

>>1274353
Interesting.

>> No.1274363

is it easier to control a smart population that asks questions or a dumb public that doesnt know up from down?

>> No.1274369

>>1274309

Even better when our states pay their universities for us to go there.

YEAH!

>> No.1274370

>>1274287
Vacuum chambers, yaaay

>> No.1274379

>>1274324

There have always been bigots in the US, all the way back to the beginning. The United States has never been the all-welcoming land of the free people like to dream it was in hindsight.

However, it has, legally, been as much, for the most part, unless you weren't a white male. Even then, you had a better chance in the US than most places.

Back to the topic of education, talking about publicly funded education in the US is, like anything in the United States, a bad topic to speak of broadly. The US has lots of local control over the school system, always has done, so saying "education in the United States" is like saying "education in Europe"; it's too diverse to address with one topic.

>> No.1274380

>>1274336

Of course it doesn't. But it does to policymakers, whose exposure to the education system by definition must involve law school or something similar, which are full of stuffy old autocrats.

>> No.1274382

Is that a motherfucking FUSOR?!

>> No.1274386

>>1274324
>It's the same thing that makes Americans competitive, entrepreneurial, and allowed them to lead in the 20th century

>Hurr durr

>> No.1274393

>>1274301
>Making people pay for their education is a good way to segregate society, and a free market education provides maximal segregation. This allows the children of the wealthy to obtain and retain the best jobs at the expense of those who would otherwise be better than them.

ftfy

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>>1274287
Uhm. Education _is_ one of the most heavily funded aspects of American life. It's funded by the states rather than the feds, but in total dollar terms it outranks national defense. The trouble isn't that we're not putting money into the schools, it's that we design schools as child (and young adult) daycare rather than as education facilities.

One-size fits all, grade-inflated education does us no good... and merely pumping money into it is throwing that money away.

Go read Richard Hofstadter's "Anti Intellectualism in American Life".

>> No.1274439

i love you op. i really do. keep the fires burning

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>>1274432
>Defense spending spikes in 1942

Yeah you faggots. France needed you.

>> No.1274455

>>1274432
education isn't heavily funded it's big business.

i lol anytime someone says better school, it's like some kinda paradox i cant articulate

>> No.1274462

There is no money. only resources. the greatest being human. our selfish natures allow us to be pandered into fighting over virtually unlimited resources

>> No.1274465

>>1274287
b/c the people who have the power to do this don't want an educated public. they stay in power by appealing easily to the stupid people who believe whatever bullshit they are fed. how else would america have gone into iraq, afghanistan, veitnam, etc.

>> No.1275216

>logic
>politics

Pick one.

>> No.1275250

Education is funded in the US like nowhere else. Even so, experiments don't show any appreciable difference in intelligence or knowledge of students by increasing funding.

>> No.1275257

>>1275250
The education system needs to be reformed completely. It's godawful and promotes rote memorization of soundbyte facts rather than critical thinking.

>> No.1277839

true

>> No.1277856

>Guaranteeing a free college education for the brightest students is the best way to incite innovation.
fix'd

oh wait, we already do this

>> No.1277872

One thing that really needs fixing is the idea of how long education is supposed to take.

Everything I learned in school through eighth grade would have been better learned in two years starting when I was 8.

High school was too late and too long, I would have had a much better time of it if they crammed it into two and a half years starting when I was 11.

Same fucking problem now in college, "learning" is moving at a glacial pace for me, this shit should be three years TOPS, and start no later than 15.

I don't know what to say about graduate school except that as a 19 year old I wish I had the opportunity to already be enrolled in it already.

>> No.1277885

>>1277872

Too many stupid niggers for that to happen.

>> No.1277909

and when he says nigger he means. .. people who cloud their minds with absolute junk that all his thoughts are just black.

>> No.1277923

mostly black