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[Anonymous No.12713139]

RIP 1059 edition
Last thread: >>12708003

[Anonymous No.12713145]

fuck urf and fuck ad astra

[Anonymous No.12713148]

>>12713139
Does anyone have that shit grimes said about Elon breeding her? It was autistic

[Anonymous No.12713149]

>>12713139
At least it still had a soft landing

[Anonymous No.12713151]

>>12713148
>
https://pagesix.com/2020/03/05/grimes-talks-getting-pregnant-with-elon-musk/

[Anonymous No.12713154]

>>12713148
I still don't understand why he picked her

[Anonymous No.12713157]

>>12713154
>“Even though it’s this great thing,” she clarifies. “For a girl, it’s sacrificing your body and your freedom. It’s a pretty crazy sacrifice and only half of the population has to do it. It was really profound to me when I decided I was going to do it, to actually go through the act of, like, y’know, unprotected sex. I’m just like, I have sacrificed my power in this moment. I have, like, capitulated. And I have spent my whole life avoiding that situation. I have never capitulated to anything, so it was just a profound commitment.”
She’s weird like him

[Anonymous No.12713159]

>>12713151
>Grimes, the artist formerly known as Claire Boucher — she now prefers c, the symbol for the speed of light

[Anonymous No.12713165]

>>12713154
>he's autistic
>she's autistic
What is there that you cant understand

[Anonymous No.12713170]

>>12713151
Elon is both the man with a plan, and the man without a plan at the same time. What was he thinking

[Anonymous No.12713172]

>>12713110
seriously.
>extremely expensive
>slow production
>non-trivial scrap rate
>inferior at cryo and reentry temps
CF is cool but it's a terrible idea for a reusable orbital vehicle. It also doesn't play nice at all with SpaceX's rapid iterative testing strategy. The expense alone to build 10+ prototypes would be astronomical.

[Anonymous No.12713179]

>>12713157
>, I have sacrificed my power in this moment. I have, like, capitulated.
She gained power by having his child. She is a retard

[Anonymous No.12713182]

>>12713179
Nah she probably had a submissive thing going. Anyhow Elon had a million sons wtf

[Anonymous No.12713193]

>>12713165
Hes autistic but also the richest man in the world. He should just date a hot engineer or 6

[Anonymous No.12713195]

lox factory making progress

>>12713154
picking someone successful and very different is pretty ideal as far as genetic mixing goes

[Anonymous No.12713201]

super heavy thrust puck with piping for 4 raptors

[Anonymous No.12713203]

>>12713193
Elon is actually pretty handsome

[Anonymous No.12713204]

>>12713201
landing pad

[Anonymous No.12713208]

>>12713193
>be Elon
>marry hot engineer
>will never have "deep" autistic discussions because she's too normal
You fool

[Anonymous No.12713214]

>>12713201
How far along is BN2? I’m worried that Superheavy will be the new bottleneck

[Anonymous No.12713225]

SN11 now has all its flaps

[Anonymous No.12713227]

>>12713139
Current Mars 2020 / Perseverance view.
FoV 45º
Spacecraft model is MAVEN, do not mind it.

[Anonymous No.12713228]

>>12713104
yeah a 85 ton starship with no flaps, heatshield or payload could barely make orbit. but since starship couldn't reach this ambitious weigh goal, which is according to Elon at least 100 tons now, SSTO is not going to happen

[Anonymous No.12713230]

>>12713225
Is SN15 almost done?

[Anonymous No.12713240]

>>12713182
True

[Anonymous No.12713246]

>>12713195
>successful
Not really

[Anonymous No.12713248]

>>12713225
Sexy

[Anonymous No.12713260]

>>12713225
So are we going to see both SNX and SNXI on the launch pad?

[Anonymous No.12713261]

Current Mars 2020 / Perseverance view.
FoV 45º
Spacecraft model is MAVEN, do not mind it.
The angular diameter should be around 49 arcminutes.

[Anonymous No.12713265]

>>12713248
I love how they're getting shinier

>>12713260
definitely possible with all the landing pad work going on right now.

>>12713261
nice

[Anonymous No.12713268]

>Boucher's debut album as Grimes, Geidi Primes, is a concept album inspired by the Dune series. It was released by Arbutus Records on cassette in 2010.
be honest, you would.

[Anonymous No.12713294]

>>12713246
>i don't like her music therefore she's not a successful musician
okay

[Anonymous No.12713301]

https://youtu.be/2ifMPiPpxKo?t=394
>russians attached jet engines to the Buran for in-atmosphere flights
whoa. I had no idea

[Anonymous No.12713307]

>>12713268
I've never listened to any of Grime's music but I'm a sucker for autistic concept albums so I'll give it a spin

[Anonymous No.12713309]

>>12713260
Given how close sn9 was to landing on 10 I’d say putting two out together again is just too risky.

[Anonymous No.12713311]

>>12713309
I thought of this too, that maybe SN9's result would give SpaceX cold feet. But then again they aren't exactly adverse to risk AND they seem pretty confident with SNX

[Anonymous No.12713317]

Anyone feels that since SN9 had its flight delayed cause of SpaceX fucking about with the FAA during SN8, that this general has gone down hill?

[Anonymous No.12713323]

>>12713311
They were pretty confident with 9, but that obviously didn’t go the way they wanted, no point putting it out there early when we both know it will be sitting out there for a month before it gets it’s chance to launch so it’s not like they will save much time.

[Anonymous No.12713328]

>>12713317
Nah we’re just spoiled.

[Anonymous No.12713335]

>>12713265
>I love how they're getting shinier
Same, they look great

[Anonymous No.12713339]

>>12713294
She wasn't popular before so no she wasn't really successful

[Anonymous No.12713346]

>>12713261
>Spacecraft model is MAVEN, do not mind it.
Easier said than done

[Anonymous No.12713352]

>>12713309
>>12713311
They really weren't that close together

[Anonymous No.12713358]

>>12713339
(you)

[Anonymous No.12713363]

>>12713352
Seemed pretty close to me

[Anonymous No.12713398]

So The Expanse was a pretty cool concept as far as world-building went, but they goofed it with the aliens and wormholes. I tried getting into Ben Bova's Grand Tour series, but he just honestly sucks as a writer. I'm almost finished with Seveneves, and that's pretty cool. Also read Saturn Run over the holidays and loved that.
What's your recommendation for the next book or series to read that is set in an Interplanetary setting. Preferably something set in the near future so I can fantasize about living to see it, though that isn't necessary.

[Anonymous No.12713400]

>>12713363
Okay now show the one without the misleading angle.

[Anonymous No.12713406]

>>12713398
I couldn't get into the expanse because they put progressive undertones throughout the show

[Anonymous No.12713421]

>>12713398
Star Trek Enterprise is pretty good. I watched it out of pure boredom and an autistic need for a good show. It has aged better than I expected, and it was the last good Trek before the series fell off the rails. It's a prequel, so it's more like the life on a submarine than it is life in le epic comfy spaceship (which I enjoyed)

[Anonymous No.12713432]

JPL and NASA holding press briefing about Thursday Perseverance Landing
https://youtu.be/uN_WvzhM1oY

[Anonymous No.12713433]

>>12713406
Yeah, that was pretty insufferable I'll agree with you there. Overall it was a fun read, though.
>>12713421
I've thought about Star Trek, but I'm mostly wanting to read something in bed at night. Good recommendation though, thanks!

[Anonymous No.12713439]

>>12713421
Michael Fincke and Terry Virts were in Enterprise. Fincke is going up on the first manned Starliner launch; God rest his soul.

[Anonymous No.12713442]

>>12713398
For All Mankind is starting again at the weekend. I for one really like it just don't try and wrestle with the Apple TV bullshit app if its anything like it was last year.

[Anonymous No.12713445]

>>12713398
natgeo made a "realistic" mars colonization tv show. It's got a lot of bullshit you have to wade through though with "every conceivable bad thing that could happen happening" syndrome along with awful characters and contrived plot. colony stuff is a nice fantasy though

[Anonymous No.12713446]

>>12713442
This post was made without reading the post I'm quoting kek. Fuck it I want to shill the show so it gets more seasons.

[Anonymous No.12713447]

>>12713433
Maybe I'll try it again and just stomach the progressive bullshit. If it has world building value it may be worth the contemplation

[Anonymous No.12713453]

>>12713445
Wow for once we get a underground concept that isn't completely retarded

[Anonymous No.12713458]

>>12713453
no buttplugs either

[Anonymous No.12713461]

>>12713447
Just consider it part of the dystopia. Earth has a UBI with mass homelessness and caste systems, for example. Adding "progressive hellhole" isn't a stretch.

[Anonymous No.12713463]

>>12713445
I tried to watch it. Good in theory. To call the acting awful would be an understatement.

[Anonymous No.12713464]

>>12713445
d-do the habs walk?

[Anonymous No.12713466]

>>12713453
I want to ride the elevator!

[Anonymous No.12713472]

>>12713433
Read Arrival by Ryk Brown. It's a good book about a team of colonists landing and surviving on a planet called Tau Ceti V.

[Anonymous No.12713483]

>>12713461
Thats fair, thanks anon that might make it watchable

[Anonymous No.12713487]

>>12713458
Nope, but guaranteed those structures are printed

[Anonymous No.12713490]

>>12713433
Ah I wish I had a book recommendation but alas, I never read. I'm sure there are some excellent books out there though (if you do some digging).
There is a huge lack of realistic, near-future, non-dystopian sci-fi material. Writers can't help themselves but add a whole bunch of shitty plot crutches and SJW shit. Like yes FTL is interesting, but I really crave a series that has post-starship tech but still relies on "simple" means of traversing the solar system or visiting nearby star systems. I guess The Martian comes close, but it's just nerd porn and should have never been published to the public. And The Expanse couldn't help themselves with the whole wormhole thing. A Lord of the Rings-level trilogy with Orion ships would be fucking cool.

[Anonymous No.12713495]

>>12713487
they are. one of the character's sole personality trait is a need to print. he prints all day and night, and when they tell him he can't print any more he quits and moves in with the big bad men who let him print as much as he wants

[Anonymous No.12713498]

>>12713445
>>12713453
>>12713466
>living in lava tubes
>not just bringing a TBM and building as much habitat as you need, and putting in almost no effort to get it sealed

[Anonymous No.12713500]

[Anonymous No.12713511]

>>12713406
>Sci: alt-right pussies cry over literally everything

[Anonymous No.12713513]

>>12713495
Excellent
>>12713498
>using heavy equipment instead of just printing pressurized regolith concrete with a thick layer of ice in-between the 1st and second wall
Ngmi

[Anonymous No.12713517]

>>12713511
I'm not alt right I'mAmericanleft , the expanse is literally far leftist propaganda

[Anonymous No.12713518]

>>12713511
Have- have you watched the show? It ruins the whole thing.

[Anonymous No.12713522]

>>12713464
I'm sure those are methane drills, but that'd be cool as hell.
>>12713511
*insert copypasta about how you will never be a woman yada yada yada*

[Anonymous No.12713523]

>>12713511
>noooo you have to LOVE the heckin niggerinos in EVERY show ALWAYS
Even moderates have severe nigger fatigue at this point. Literally only brainwashed idpol drones don't see this.

[Anonymous No.12713524]

>>12713195
BLA BLA BLA Mr. Freeman

[Anonymous No.12713530]

>>12713511
You have to go back

[Anonymous No.12713533]

>>12713513
>harvesting and processing material when you can just use bedrock as a ready made wall with nearly infinite shielding

[Anonymous No.12713535]

>>12713523
heckin niggerinos

[Anonymous No.12713537]

>>12713261
>>12713346
https://eyes.nasa.gov/apps/orrery/#/sc_perseverance

[Anonymous No.12713540]

>>12713511
Yeah because its so great to inject ID politics and gender identity in a show set far in the future. Also the only population of blacks being involved is space are from the US and that is a much smaller pool than you think. The future of space will be european, asian or middle Eastern descended peoples.

[Anonymous No.12713541]

>not building sea dragons and just sending evrything over at massive scale to be built instead of this

[Anonymous No.12713549]

>>12713533
You have to dig to it, pressurize a massive space and still build structures inside it. Its a far harder process then you are letting on. I was all about lava tubes and tunneling until U saw the supply chain neccesary in comparison to surface habs

[Anonymous No.12713558]

>>12713541
Starship is a large vehicle that is much cheaper per kg than sea dragon. But the scale is still massive

[Anonymous No.12713560]

What's the point of dedicated habs instead of just converting early cargo Starships into wet workshop habs? Each Starship is basically a small apartment building work of pressurizable volume, if you include the main tanks.

[Anonymous No.12713565]

>>12713511
>5 straight episodes of Naomi crying alone and getting people around her killed

[Anonymous No.12713574]

>>12713560
>instead of just converting early cargo Starships into wet workshop habs
They pan to use the early cargo starships as habs. The problem is the starships are going to be too valuable to throw away for something like a hab, it also isn't scalable for the colony plans. Building habs is neccesary so you don't waste starships and so you can expand as neccesary without reliance on earth shipments

[Anonymous No.12713579]

Some one forgot the fed payed for their whole rocket....

https://twitter.com/torybruno/status/1361415655497469952?s=19

[Anonymous No.12713581]

>>12713549
I've thought about this

>dig hole
>build airlock at entrance to hole (preferably using steel from martian foundries
>capture CO2, pump it into farms to produce O2, and use to pressurize the internal space
>move excavated rock out of the airlock and into some kind of processing station that sucks water and other useful stuff out of the tailings
>check for leaks

All of that would still be way easier than starting from scratch, and could be 100% ISRU.

[Anonymous No.12713591]

>>12713579
I assume spacex wasn't involved in NSSL?

[Anonymous No.12713592]

>>12713579
I like tory, not his fault his "company" is an oldspace feed program. Hes kidding himself however if he thinks he is actually cheaper than spacex

[Anonymous No.12713600]

>>12713533
Have you ever dug before
It’s a giant amount of work
Digging loose soil/gravel is whatever, but then you hit really large rocks or bed rock and fuck that

[Anonymous No.12713603]

>>12713600
>implying anything on Mars is going to be manual labor when robots don't require food, water, habitat, or oxygen
>implying TBMs don't exist already

[Anonymous No.12713608]

>>12713592
How does Vulcan compare to expendable F9?

Obviously Starship makes this discussion moot but still, it'll be a while before Starship flies national security payloads.

[Anonymous No.12713614]

>>12713581
>All of that would still be way easier than starting from scratch
No it wouldn't you need a machine larger than a starship payload to dig a tunnel, you need a forge which requires structures and complex machinery. The CO2 production is pointless as you can get it from the atmosphere easily, the rock would be harvested either way abd checking for leaks in a tunnel is hard. Printing surface habs is so much easier to make, requires less infrastructure, is easier to monitor/maintain and its faster.

[Anonymous No.12713623]

>>12713614
>proooonting
>not just sending Starships with rolls of stainless steel and welding kits

[Anonymous No.12713625]

>>12713537
I know that this exists.

It's just that Orbiter shows up much more information, regarding orbital elements, trajectory... It is an actual simulation.

[Anonymous No.12713628]

>>12713513
>Printing concrete which is weak and brittle.
>Concrete in an atmosphere so thin water boils at ambient temperature.
>Not PROOOOOOONTING with superior basalt-polymer which sets as hard and strong as true stone.
>Caring about ISRU for building materials during initial setup when you'll have 1000 Starships worth of payload to work with.

[Anonymous No.12713629]

In what year will the first Starship be built on Mars?

[Anonymous No.12713632]

>>12713603
>implying machines don’t need maintenance every Fucking week and that parts don’t need to be constantly replaced

[Anonymous No.12713633]

>>12713614
>No it wouldn't you need a machine larger than a starship payload to dig a tunnel

Pic related. It would require a lot of minmaxing in terms of the engineering, but it would easily be easier than a proonting setup, especially when you begin to ISRU some of the parts.

> you need a forge which requires structures and complex machinery

A forge and a machine shop would be the two first things to make, because they give you a massive amount of flexibility and redundancy in terms of spare parts, contingencies, and not having to bring as much shit.

Like the very first ship should be a nuclear reactor, a forge, and some MREs. From then on, every metal part can be made on site, and only complex shit like computer chips needs to be imported.

[Anonymous No.12713644]

>>12713633
there's no iron on Mars though

[Anonymous No.12713645]

>>12713629
2022

[Anonymous No.12713646]

>>12713633
>shipping food along with radioactive materials

[Anonymous No.12713651]

>>12713646
>reactor grade uranium will contaminate everything because it's green and it glows in the dark like the simpsons

nice self portrait

>>12713644
yes there is

[Anonymous No.12713657]

>>12713633
There is no such nuclear reactor that fits in a starship payload and there never will be

[Anonymous No.12713662]

>>12713646
Irradiated != radioactive, you nitwit. Just keep them in different parts of the ship and you are good.

[Anonymous No.12713667]

It’s cheaper and easier just to have a couple guys stacking stones to make homes
Larger boulders for the first floor
Fill the gaps with whatever

People would rather send 500 tons of machinery than 20 mexican brick/stone stackers

[Anonymous No.12713671]

>>12713657
https://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/non-power-nuclear-applications/transport/nuclear-reactors-for-space.aspx
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNAP-10A

ancient technology my guy

[Anonymous No.12713675]

>>12713667
>implying you don't need tons of machinery to feed, house, and provide oxygen for any human

[Anonymous No.12713679]

You know, this whole process would have been a heck of a lot easier if we had started on a moon base 2-3 decades ago

[Anonymous No.12713684]

>>12713667
Just print those mexicans, duh

[Anonymous No.12713689]

>>12713679
Yeah lol. It was doomed to fail. NASA landed a few times and then pushed Von Braun to a back office.

[Anonymous No.12713694]

>>12713684
That requires Mexican women to 3D print Mexican sons. Plus they have a 9 month gestation period, and at least an 18 year formation period

[Anonymous No.12713698]

>>12713671
Look at the weight of those reactors, none of which actually exist to be purchased
Look at the wattage they are supposed to produce

Meanwhile a 100 watt solar panel weighs 4 lbs today according to this site selling flexible solar panels

[Anonymous No.12713702]

>>12713511
Good bait. But seriously, the Expanse does sometimes try to be moralistic and that is detrimental to the plot and the world-building.

[Anonymous No.12713703]

>>12713679
Even a small base staffed with 6 people yearly would’ve been really cool. We could’ve seen COTS for the lunar surface in the 90’s instead of today

[Anonymous No.12713706]

>>12713363
kinda. Probably fine though considering it's mostly empty = conflagration not explosion.

[Anonymous No.12713708]

I don't get the hate. It's kino.

[Anonymous No.12713709]

>>12713708
i've seen this stance before

[Anonymous No.12713712]

[Anonymous No.12713717]

>>12713708
Amogus

[Anonymous No.12713721]

>>12713712
>environmentalists melting down over toxic exhaust
>impossible to turn off once started
>prefers payload shaken, not stirred

[Anonymous No.12713722]

>>12713679
This. Three decades of continous lunar presence experience would make Artemis and mars fags colonization plans many times more feasible.

[Anonymous No.12713733]

>>12713406
Season 1 was the best imho, loved the neo-noir pacing, and UNniggers and belter scum were still underfoot where they belonged

[Anonymous No.12713735]

>>12713733
I dropped it about 15 min into the first episode because of too many fucking accents

[Anonymous No.12713752]

Hullo posted a side-by-side video about last night's booster failure: https://twitter.com/DJSnM/status/1361580402477985793

And this graph. Blue = last night's run. Basic idea is that halfway through the entry burn an engine starts to underperform which means F9 ends up into the atmosphere at faster speed before telemetry loss. Engine didn't completely fail until after entry burn where they maybe tried to relight and got fireworks as a result. Scott thinks that close to nominal performance means that turbopumps were ok.

What do you guys think the exact cause was?

Also I'm guessing that the F9 doesn't really have engine redundancy on reentry.

[Anonymous No.12713753]

>>12713708
I think the final design might look better. There will probably be multiple layers for visors, color identification, and definitely a gold-plated visor for EVA sun protection

[Anonymous No.12713756]

>>12713579
>Tory taking credit for saving ULA
Did he really?

[Anonymous No.12713760]

>>12713733
Season 1 to half way through season 3 were great.
It's shit now, I dropped it.

And I never liked Naomi. Maybe it's because I'm racist, or maybe it's because she fucking sucks.

[Anonymous No.12713764]

>>12713735
You want accents? Read this.

[Anonymous No.12713765]

>>12713733
Same for the books, 1 is fine, goes downhill after that

[Anonymous No.12713770]

>>12713735
Maybe it's because I live in a big city but they don't sound too unbelievable, a lot of my coworkers already talk like that

[Anonymous No.12713774]

https://spacenews.com/abl-space-systems-signs-customer-for-first-launch/
Imagine the discount they must've got.

[Anonymous No.12713781]

>>12713770
Yea but I still dislike it
You only have an accent because you grew up speaking a different language
350 years from now in the belt they’ll all be speaking the same language

[Anonymous No.12713788]

>>12713760
Nah, show Naomi is definitely worse than original Naomi, can't blame you for dropping it.

[Anonymous No.12713790]

>>12713760
If you didn't watch Season 5, it's not exaggerating to say she spends 5 episodes alone in small rooms crying. On camera. While getting civilians and her friends killed repeatedly. She's responsible for the deaths of AT LEAST a billion on Earth, Fred Johnson, and Alex; and a dude she spaces before doing a magical yass queen shirtsleeve EVA.

[Anonymous No.12713802]

>>12713774
oh yeah, these guys. If I remember right their rocket is even bigger than firefly's. They also claim to be able to launch from anywhere that has a concrete pad. Their juicy defense connections don't hurt either I bet.
https://ablspacesystems.com/

>Imagine the discount they must've got.
yeah, these deals are pretty interesting
>we'll take a loss on the launch, but in exchange there's a 50+% chance your sat explodes.

[Anonymous No.12713804]

>>12713774
I can't wait until the smallsat launch market collapses

[Anonymous No.12713807]

>>12713804
That's a terrible perspective.
Smallsats is a good way for new aerospace companies to be formed and start out.
I just hope that they transition into something heavier.

[Anonymous No.12713806]

>>12713804
I want to see a documentary on it after the bloodbath cools down

[Anonymous No.12713835]

>>12713807
The only one who’s ever done that is SpaceX. The others have either died, haven’t even launched their smallsat rocket yet, or are entering the satellite business.

[Anonymous No.12713840]

>>12713835
Ehhh even trying to become a heavy lift company is pretty pointless when you are 15 years behind SpaceX already

[Anonymous No.12713843]

>>12713804
Same, although as it stands the only 2 contenders (besides big company ride shares) are rocketlab and virgin. I hope the two of them move on, while other companies barely make it to orbit only to fall and cause tons of people to lose money. Fuck astra, fuck ARCA, fuck everyone else I can’t even think of. Also I hope blue origin somehow gets tied up in the meme and loses lots of money

[Anonymous No.12713847]

>>12713807
Go back

[Anonymous No.12713848]

>>12713203
Maybe now he is, after hair replacement.
>>12713644
>there's no iron on Mars
>"The Red Planet"
>it's just paint, right dude?

[Anonymous No.12713851]

>>12713848
Amazing what some hair can do. I feel bad for headcrestlets.

[Anonymous No.12713852]

>>12713802
>Contracts are for space
>60% of the chosen entities have “Air” in their name

[Anonymous No.12713854]

>>12713835
So? There's a chance that another will succeed. The issue is that most of these smallsat companies and lead by people who think small.
>>12713847
Back where? To /tv/?

[Anonymous No.12713857]

>>12713662
>Irradiated != radioactive, you nitwit. Just keep them in different parts of the ship and you are good.

[Anonymous No.12713862]

>>12713802
They seem like Astra with a bigger rocket. On paper, it beats out Firefly and Relativity's rockets on both payload and cost, and if the military can take advantage of their flexible launch setups that wouldn't hurt. Also, those sats sound just like tech demos, so I have to figure it was free, maybe with an agreement for more down the line.

>>12713807
The only one of these companies that's publicly interested in building a significantly bigger rocket is Firefly, though their Beta still small compared to Falcon etc. There might be a scenario where they do everything right and the others get a lot wrong to allow them to establish themselves well enough with the Alpha and Beta to help them with something bigger and reusable. These companies probably missed their chance to go big by 5 years or so though.

[Anonymous No.12713863]

>>12713721
lmao added

[Anonymous No.12713864]

>>12713843
>ARCA
there is nothing I want to see fail more than these con artists

[Anonymous No.12713865]

>>12713854
I just think that trying to defend smallsat launchers is very reddit. Besides rocketlab and virgin, they are all cash grabs. I understand that, in theory, it’s a path to becoming a serious contender. But look at all the companies that exist now. They are all hack fraud—and the only people defending them are r/space idiots

[Anonymous No.12713868]

>>12713864
Didn’t their founder get arrested for tax evasion or something? Lmao romania will never get to space even 500 years from now

[Anonymous No.12713869]

>>12713753
I won't mind red stripes for commanders, like back in the Apollo days, but they better don't go full MURICA FUCK YEAH! giving every suit the stripes just for the hell of it.

[Anonymous No.12713878]

>>12713863
Kek

[Anonymous No.12713880]

>>12713865
Why exactly are they all frauds?
It's all about the guys at the top.
In ABL's case, it was started by a former Space X employee (ok!) and a Morgan Stanley employee (not so ok).
>>12713862
But it's not all about size. There is a market for quick launch systems.
Even if they're all tiny rockets, what matters is they do their niche incredibly well.
Although, from what I can see, Firefly does absolute dick well.

[Anonymous No.12713887]

>>12713880
which SpaceX employee, there are a few serial scam artists whose only qualifications are "worked at SpaceX before Elon figured out how to hire competent people"

[Anonymous No.12713888]

>>12713603
>thinking a lot of work means manual work
Seriously tunnelfags are retarded

[Anonymous No.12713889]

[Anonymous No.12713891]

>>12713887
Oh, I have no idea. It's just what it says when I googled it.

[Anonymous No.12713892]

>>12713880
>Morgan Stanley employee (not so ok)
https://www.reddit.com/r/space/

[Anonymous No.12713895]

>>12713608
Vulcan technically will be a better launch platform if they can get comparable costs but i don't think they can because its still expendable

[Anonymous No.12713901]

>>12713623
>>not just sending Starships with rolls of stainless steel and welding kits
Then you take up space for something that a printer could make out of regolith and water. Also who is going to weld it?

[Anonymous No.12713904]

>>12713629
2285, except itll look like a penis, and all the Earthers laugh at them for it for decades
>>12713679
Why didn't we just go ahead and do this? It would've been great for experiments and trials. I hope landing on Mars makes a new period of colonization or at least green light the idea for world powers

[Anonymous No.12713906]

>>12713901
me

[Anonymous No.12713907]

>>12713892
Anon, I have no interest in reddit.
Besides bullying them, that is.

[Anonymous No.12713909]

>>12713628
>Printing concrete which is weak and brittle
It is not
>Concrete in an atmosphere so thin water boils at ambient temperature.
It works on the ISS just fine.
>>Caring about ISRU for building materials during initial setup when you'll have 1000 Starships worth of payload to work with.
You underestimate just how little of that payload can be wasted on some bullshit building materials

[Anonymous No.12713910]

>>12713901
Men. And besides, I feel much more secure in steel than literal dirt.

[Anonymous No.12713914]

>>12713906
I'll pitch in too, brother

[Anonymous No.12713918]

>>12713907
>if aliens exist they’d be my preferred failed ideology from the 1800s

[Anonymous No.12713921]

>>12713633
>Pic related. It would require a lot of minmaxing in terms of the engineering, but it would easily be easier than a proonting setup
Printing setups already exist, are being tested and are smaller. The shit you posted is dissimilar to any tunneling equipment on earth and would still require a lot of testing/engineering to make. We don't have that kind of time or incentive to build it.

[Anonymous No.12713930]

>>12713907
Fair enough, I take back what I said. Also lol this pic makes me laugh every time

[Anonymous No.12713933]

>>12713921
Except PROOONT doesn't work with entirely ISRU materials and thus the actual weight of your equipment is the proonter and thousands of tons of raw materials. A single earth mover certainly comes out on top once you consider that.
I can't believe we're having this stupid fucking discussion again.

[Anonymous No.12713934]

>>12713708
Its kino for 30 years ago. Our need now require it to be less of a bitch to work in

[Anonymous No.12713937]

>>12713139
Any word on what happened to B1059?

[Anonymous No.12713938]

Would it have worked?

[Anonymous No.12713939]

>>12713933
Martian concrete is just regolith mixed with hot sulfur so it is ISRU
Although regolith brick is superior with an industrial mold and a pneumatic press that can be filled with CO2

[Anonymous No.12713942]

>>12713889
I rike it. What's a vortex chimney though? Is it an approach to nuclear cooling similar to vortex rocket engines?

And speaking of vortex rocket engines I still really want to know what propellants this cute thing is running on. Can't wait to see it fly.

[Anonymous No.12713944]

>>12713921
You can stack a stone house way better than these meme printed houses
Mars is nothing but stones

[Anonymous No.12713945]

>>12713363
Imagine the tower of a church blowing up.

[Anonymous No.12713953]

>>12713938
no

[Anonymous No.12713955]

>>12713944
Neolithic gang rise up.

[Anonymous No.12713956]

>>12713938
>Oh...oh god! I'm gonna THROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOST

[Anonymous No.12713958]

>>12713942
An atmospheric vortex engine basically uses waste heat to create a twister that can act as a chimney far taller than a physical cooling tower
It's a bit less efficient than a big fuck-off radiator but at that scale, it makes up for it in extra energy production and reliability

[Anonymous No.12713960]

>>12713939
There's no need to use a proonter to pour concrete, actually it's just strictly inefficient. And those proonter concepts buttplugman loves to shill so much use some kind of polymer mixture.

[Anonymous No.12713967]

>>12713938
Yes and it would have looked far cooler than that dogshit.

[Anonymous No.12713968]

>>12713592
he's as much a marketing guy as an engineer. twists the facts a bit more than elon though

[Anonymous No.12713970]

>>12713938
Highly doubtful
Pressure fed is a meme

[Anonymous No.12713974]

>>12713967
You don't think it looks cool?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRMDcC0QvFQ

[Anonymous No.12713977]

>>12713938
Engine would probably have problems, may or may not have been solvable, combustion instability is a major issue at that size.

[Anonymous No.12713980]

>>12713934
NASA is slow, so even if they started testing new generation of space suits now, they won't get used until the '40s

[Anonymous No.12713983]

>>12713974
Every single marketer should be set on fire in the public square after due process.

[Anonymous No.12713984]

Astra is completely dead in the water, right? Should I buy puts? They're sitting at a $5B valuation with zero successful launches and no reusability.

[Anonymous No.12714000]

>>12713984
their gimmick is having the smallest rocket around. Which enables them to launch from anywhere and presumably have a pretty decent cadence. On the other hand, and I'm not an expert here, but their last launch worries me. Everything went well but they still didn't make it to orbit. They claim that the fix is simple but their leadership is scummy so I'll believe it when I see it.

But if they do get their shit working they may be able to carve out a niche. Not sure.

[Anonymous No.12714002]

>>12713984
Would you invest in a woke company?

[Anonymous No.12714003]

>>12713887
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/08/rocket-startup-abl-space-aims-for-first-rs1-launch-in-a-few-months.html
Apparently the lead engineer behind the Falcon grid fins. So at least competent as an engineer, though not directly applicable to their rocket.

>>12713984
They'll ride high on gullible investors for a couple years, so maybe not yet.

[Anonymous No.12714009]

>>12713974
Is this a real ad? Also lucky strikes are so based. I don't smoke, but I tried some in college after my grandpa told me about his WW2 days and they were pretty damn good.

[Anonymous No.12714010]

>>12713958
thanks for the explanation. That's a pretty cool way of going about it. Kinda reminds me of a gas generator engine in the sense that it's inefficient but reliable, simple, and scalable

[Anonymous No.12714021]

Does ULA actually have an edge when it comes to orbital insertion accuracy or this just bullshit their marketers came up with in an effort to stand out from SpaceX's shadow?

[Anonymous No.12714022]

>>12714002
Long puts is a short position on the stock. It means betting the stock goes down. Also, pretty much every publicly traded company is performatively woke because they get badgered by commies if they aren't.

[Anonymous No.12714028]

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1361816051718238209
Greta has her sights set on space

[Anonymous No.12714029]

>>12713945
Churches were often used to store gunpowder during the renaissance, some did blow up. Most of the big church in my hometown was destroyed due to it's gunpowder stores exploding. Crazy to think a fully stacked Starship will be slightly taller

[Anonymous No.12714032]

>>12714028
Can someone destroy the internet? Human society and critical thinking has been destroyed by mass communication

[Anonymous No.12714036]

>>12714009
Smoking is based

[Anonymous No.12714038]

>>12714028
>>12714032
Earthers' animosity for Martians will only fuel the colony's development and hasten its independence

[Anonymous No.12714042]

>>12714028
Who?

White liberals worry about non-threatening climate change because their lives are piss easy and actual problems no longer exist

[Anonymous No.12714046]

>>12714028
Neither Chinese nor the Russians give a fuck about this shit. They will land on the Moon and on Mars because their great leader told them to, and millions shall perish for all they care.

[Anonymous No.12714067]

>>12714021
After using Centaur for so long they know a thing or two. iirc when they launched Perseverance they were credibly close the planned insertion

[Anonymous No.12714095]

>>12713921
>The shit you posted is dissimilar to any tunneling equipment on earth

it's literally tunneling equipment from earth

[Anonymous No.12714102]

>>12713906
>>12713910
The logistics and mechanisms needed to support men on mars far exceeds a printer

[Anonymous No.12714112]

>>12714028
Here's a solution for those humans: we don't care.

[Anonymous No.12714113]

>>12714102
The biggest logistical burden is on sourcing raw materials. After water and the main elements of life, which are actually widely available, your next big raw material burden is on building material. So don't fuck that part up, retard.

[Anonymous No.12714129]

>>12713901
It's cheaper to teach Miguel to wear a space suit than it is to build a giant PROOONTER that works on Mars and self-assembles

[Anonymous No.12714136]

>>12714102
If you don't have men on Mars your "simple printer" needs to extract itself from Starship, assemble itself, collect ISRU materials, process them, clear a flat area, test the soil for suitability, and only then can it begin to PROOOOONT.

Consider that our greatest and most expensive robots on Mars so far failed to dig a 30cm hole.

[Anonymous No.12714157]

>>12714028
I want to fuck her squishy liberal brains out

[Anonymous No.12714158]

>>12714129
Can we please bring Mexican welders to Mars? I like white people and all but whites have gone fucking crazy

[Anonymous No.12714169]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKiIfEpdDZE
Here's a link to the stream of progress docking with the ISS. Live in~5h. Apparently there won't be NASA converge this time- they got frozen out.

[Anonymous No.12714171]

>>12714129
>teach Miguel to wear a space suit
Literally not possible. Any 90 IQ cheap laborer you want to stuff into these missions will put everyone's lives at risk.

[Anonymous No.12714181]

>>12714028
Greta says whatever her globalist handlers tell her to say. She's a marketing tool to trick retards like you into focusing your energy towards a teenage girl instead of the billionaires and politicians who are actually pulling the strings

[Anonymous No.12714208]

>This kills the PROONTER and TOONNULER fags and build your colony

[Anonymous No.12714220]

>>12714208
>This kills the...TOONNULER
Look up boring company bricks lol.

[Anonymous No.12714229]

>>12714208
Oh shit does it create vacuum sealable bricks just like that?

[Anonymous No.12714233]

>>12714229

[Anonymous No.12714244]

>>12714208
Stones for the wall
Bricks for the room arch
Bring back proper architecture

[Anonymous No.12714245]

>>12713154
Only her can satisfy his 537 IQ induced megaweird fetishes, you wouldn't understand.

[Anonymous No.12714246]

>>12713764
Great book.

[Anonymous No.12714250]

>SMART Reuse, c. 1972

[Anonymous No.12714254]

>>12714233
Hey whatever works, I liked the PROOOONTER because it works with a stupendously durable basalt polymer mix which is s like 90%+ basalt so only a small amount of what is essentially just ground plastic powder has to be sent along with the machine to deploy it.
If you can heat the material to 600 degrees and then throw it through a brick press though that will yield similar results I'd assume. Martian bricks can have even larger channels in them due to the 60% reduced structural load of any given structure on Mars to save on material.
Radiationfags can just be ignored because so long as the primary structure is buried bellow ground the colonists will get less radiation on average than they would on Earth anyways.

[Anonymous No.12714261]

>>12714254
Carrying >5% of your building material is not negligible and proontfags need to stop acting like it is. It's like you want to be stuck with a situation where you're barely better off building than just using the ships you got there on.

[Anonymous No.12714267]

>>12713442
It's entertaining at best and plain boring at worst. But from a technical point it was pretty kino, hope they show less earth drama and more about colonies and space cold war, it surely seems like they will.

[Anonymous No.12714287]

>>12714171
This.
Cheap labor will be destroyed by space. The only option will be to employ competent men.

[Anonymous No.12714291]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/16/elon-musks-spacex-raised-850-million-at-419point99-a-share.html
>SpaceX completed a raise of $850 million last week, people familiar with the financing told CNBC, sending the company’s valuation to about $74 billion.
>The company raised the new funds at $419.99 a share, those people said, or just a cent below the $420 price that Elon Musk made infamous in 2018.
>SpaceX’s latest raise also represents a jump of about 60% in the company’s valuation from its previous round in August, when SpaceX raised near $2 billion at a $46 billion valuation.

[Anonymous No.12714296]

>>12714261
To put it in perspective though, for every one cargo Starship filled with the polymer sand to make basalt plastic you can create (press, PROOOONT, whatever) 1000 tons of structure, out of a material so strong it is unlikely to suffer significant weathering or wear throughout an entire human lifestime, and probably a lot more if you make the structure heavy. I'd say ten of the first thousand Starships carrying polymer powder so you can make a ten thousand ton colony structure is pretty reasonable, another Starship carrying say ten huge sized brick presses (Martian gravity is low, you could make bricks three times the actual size of Earthly ones), and still have 989 Starships left to transport other stuff.

[Anonymous No.12714298]

>>12714254
>>12714261
Martian ISRU concrete can be made out of sulfur and regolith that's fairly strong
Proonterfags still cling to polymers that would just be a waste of space and weight
You could use much less sulfur concrete harvested planetside using it to glue pressed bricks together for something strong, easy to build and could easily stop most all radiation
http://www.cv.titech.ac.jp/~anil-lab/others/lectures/CMCE/31-Martian-Concrete.pdf

[Anonymous No.12714299]

>>12714028
Literally nothing about this says anything about cutting space funding. Brainlets itt just don't get that it's meant to compare climate change to space colonization, both being long term money pits that will have little tangible benefits to anyone alive (and they are both important)

[Anonymous No.12714304]

>>12714296
Meanwhile a single concrete home will be 100+ tons just by itself lol

Shipping building material is insane

[Anonymous No.12714309]

>>12714250
>For the large helicopter this involved putting a jet engine, or more likely two jet engines, on the tip of each of the three rotors—six jet engines in all, plus a seventh in the rear fuselage to power the tail rotor.
I mean Gyrodyne's proved the concept was feasible for smaller craft but still..

[Anonymous No.12714313]

I'm glad Elon has a brain has chosen tunnels which means that's what's going to happen. No one cares about your shitty buttplug NASA house just like no one cares about shitty NASA kilopower.

[Anonymous No.12714319]

>>12714309
>heaviest helicopter ever
>lifts 20-30 tons
>SV booster
>130+ tons

Ok

[Anonymous No.12714321]

>>12714028
Well gentlemen, the Mars dream was fun while it lasted. The "cancel space" meme was funny to shitpost about while it lasted, but it seems it is a reality now. At least the replies to Foust's tweet seem reasonable. But people like Greta will convince BLM anti-white pro-commy manchildren to get their senators to pass anti-colonizing laws soon enough

[Anonymous No.12714334]

>>12714298
Imagine the smell

[Anonymous No.12714336]

>>12713657
Nuscale SMR's fit and have just been approved for commercial use in the US.

https://www.nuscalepower.com/technology/technology-overview

[Anonymous No.12714338]

>>12714296
You really overestimate how far 1,000 tons of building material gets you if you think that's a good trade. A flushed Starship and overlay material would probably get you more volume than 1,000 tons of buttplugs. Earth movers and pressed brick are essentially infinite profit by comparison.

[Anonymous No.12714342]

>>12714319
Also it needed to be in the air for upto 6 hours so he was going to strap extra fuel tanks to it. Shit would never work but still fascinating to read about

[Anonymous No.12714344]

>>12714304
Sure, let's call it 100 tons. Of that, assuming basalt polymer, ten tons will be polymer and 90 will be pulverized Martian rock. Every 100 ton Starship load of polymer can create ten homes which will essentially never wear down, unless you were to deliberately drill or blast a hole through one.
I don't understand why people are stuck up on shipping the material, the whole point of Starship fleets is to make this shit economical by sheer quantity of low cost transport ships. Build the colony to last as long as humanly possible with a material which won't wear under basically any circumstance in the Martian environment.

[Anonymous No.12714352]

>>12713698
Wew lookit those goalposts go.

[Anonymous No.12714355]

>>12714344
> the whole point of Starship fleets is to make this shit economical by sheer quantity of low cost transport ships
Because that's what you need to get reasonable amounts of shit to Mars at all. Starship doesn't suddenly mean you want to be inefficient with what you actually put on the surface of Mars. I don't know how retarded you have to be to actually believe that.

[Anonymous No.12714372]

>>12714336
>still a decade off
>haven’t even made anything yet

Call me when it happens
These companies go tits up for a reason
(The NRC exists to bankrupt them)

[Anonymous No.12714375]

>>12714208
automation applied to construction is going to be a very interesting field

>>12714313
how does digging on mars compare to earth digging? I know nothing about this shit.

>>12714181
for the love of god this. Focus on the power holders, not their puppets. Greta recently accidentally posted pic related. This shit is organized by billionaires who want to change the world to their liking

[Anonymous No.12714377]

>>12713592
He's not kidding. He's trying to fool the ignorant public. SpaceX is little more expensive than ULA for the launch contract because ULA already received their billion dollar package on separate deal while SpaceX is combined. Disengenous is ULA's parlor trick.

[Anonymous No.12714380]

>>12714342
that's wild. At least they dared to dream back then

>>12714287
outside of the oasis that is earth you'll either have to contribute or be ousted. No other choice, really.

>>12714375

[Anonymous No.12714411]

Bocachicagal got an overpressure notice for tomorrow, though there aren't any announced road closures.

[Anonymous No.12714423]

>>12714380
Really the only thing keeping automation from being more prevalent is the lack of coordination between various elements of machinery and project management. If things could be crosschecked and coordinated from an onsite AI, we could have just sent a starship filled with a mobile construction yard and have built an arcology station out of some sulfur and dug up dirt and received a "Ready to go" signal

[Anonymous No.12714433]

>>12714299
Do people genuinely believe “climate change” is “destroying the planet”?

[Anonymous No.12714440]

>>12714433
it doesn't take much to make a planet uncomfortable for humans

[Anonymous No.12714441]

>>12714423
The thing that's keeping automation from being more prevalent is that it's not economical to do so. Cheap labor still undercuts it. Space will truly allow us to realize our potential and see the bounds humanity can actually push.
That second part of your post is a pipe dream though. Absolute "rovers can do everything a human can" tier.

[Anonymous No.12714448]

>>12714440
Humans live everywhere from the arctic circle to the Sahara. Earth is always going to be comfortable, at least until the sun gets thicc

[Anonymous No.12714458]

>>12713960
What else are you going to pour it with a truck and astronauts? Your thought process is retarded

[Anonymous No.12714464]

>>12713944
Can you pressurize a stacked stone house? Also these memes are proof of concept nothing more. Don't expect printed habs to look anything like them

[Anonymous No.12714468]

>>12714002
Is astra woke?

[Anonymous No.12714470]

>>12714458
>What else are you going to pour it with a truck and astronauts
Literally and unironically yes.

[Anonymous No.12714472]

>>12714468
Yes

[Anonymous No.12714474]

>>12714028
it's not greta, greta isn't a person she is a collection of intellectual, corporate, and most importantly state and international interests. Very very dangerous.

[Anonymous No.12714477]

>>12713980
Yeah and we can't have that. Commercial suits or we get nowhere

[Anonymous No.12714480]

>>12713933
>Except PROOONT doesn't work with entirely ISRU materials
Yes it absolutely does. Most of the designs were regolith and water or regolith and sulfur

[Anonymous No.12714482]

>>12714474
Turns out her dad and some other guy were behind many of her supposed Facebook posts, not her. Obvious AstroTurf

[Anonymous No.12714484]

>>12714474
This, poor kid had her brain scrambled by scumbag environmentalist parents, she's just a microphone for the """green""" lobbyists.

[Anonymous No.12714485]

>>12713968
True

[Anonymous No.12714488]

>>12714484
Environmentalism is inherently anti-humanist

[Anonymous No.12714493]

>>12714488
Environmentalism is necessary if you don't want a society full of depressed drone bugmen. You're throwing the baby out with the bathwater if you think that preserving the environment is bad because bad actors co-opted the top of the movement. Greenspaces will also be necessary anywhere humanity goes to avoid mental collapse.

[Anonymous No.12714495]

>>12714493
Environmentalism is about protecting wasteful and pointless natural environments at the expense of man, not about making forests in an O’Neill cylinder for us to amuse ourselves in

[Anonymous No.12714498]

>>12713608
Well, Vulcan doesn't really exist yet.

[Anonymous No.12714499]

>>12714493
You're confusing the platonic ideal of environmentalism with the real world environmentalist movements, they probably couldn't be further apart.

[Anonymous No.12714502]

>>12714495
>wasteful and pointless natural environments
Soulless nigger mentality, plain and simple.

[Anonymous No.12714505]

>>12714499
One need only read about how much environmentalists were upset by the “green revolution”.

[Anonymous No.12714508]

>>12714502
I’m sorry for not caring about Peruvian Pygmy squirrels that live thousands of miles away when their habitat could instead be utilized as a magnesium mine

[Anonymous No.12714530]

>>12714508
You're not making a good argument against being a soulless nigger.

[Anonymous No.12714533]

>>12714484
the problem is the green lobbyists are real. But it's not """"" or ((())). It annoys the hell out of me that people are still using smoke screens. The reality is there are real people in places of power from which this trickles down

[Anonymous No.12714536]

>>12713139
Hi bro’s I just thought I’d like to show you that testing of my Duna base is going well. This version can support a crew of 12 or so. That module to the lower left is actually the crew transport and it can bring 6 Karbala from orbit down to Duna’s surface (but not back up). Anyhow, I plan on staffing the base with 100 permanent crew members. It’ll need at least 25 modules and 17 or so crew landings. This will not be easy, but we do things because we can. I’ll keep you guys posted.

[Anonymous No.12714539]

>>12714530
What’s “soulful” about caring about nature? I believe that the resources of the universe are ours by divine right, and that it is the manifest destiny of mankind to conquer the universe and reshape it to suit our needs. If nature gets in the way of that, then I think we should dispose of it.

[Anonymous No.12714542]

>>12714530
Jews and niggers hate nature

[Anonymous No.12714543]

>>12714533
“some of the environmental lobbyists of the Western nations are the salt of the earth, but many of them are elitists. They've never experienced the physical sensation of hunger. They do their lobbying from comfortable office suites in Washington or Brussels...If they lived just one month amid the misery of the developing world, as I have for fifty years, they'd be crying out for tractors and fertilizer and irrigation canals and be outraged that fashionable elitists back home were trying to deny them these things.“-Norman Borlaug

Remember Greta’s extremely expensive designer furniture?

[Anonymous No.12714546]

>>12714208
>That
>pressurized.
Pick one. Also who is going to build it

[Anonymous No.12714547]

>>12714542
I think nature is fun but I’d never support restricting humanity for nature’s sake. That’s anti-human and what I’d call plainly evil.

[Anonymous No.12714553]

>>12714542
I know.
>>12714539
Men who would eviscerate rather than preserve and celebrate nature and natural beauty are death cultists who will not expand humanity.

[Anonymous No.12714556]

>>12714553
What does it mean to “expand humanity” past grow the population and the resources available to it?

[Anonymous No.12714559]

>>12714261
>>12714254
>>12714296
>>12714298
You can print martian concrete without the plastic mixture and its actually pretty strong

[Anonymous No.12714563]

>>12714484
Many such cases!

[Anonymous No.12714565]

>>12714543
No I don't... but it's a fucked system. Also modern farming standards also don't always work. they can burn out specific patches of land. to my understanding this happens.

But on everything else you are practically right. I am kinda spooked that if there there is gonna be another political shit show. With lefties pushing for enviromentalism, and protectionism, and none development to retain power over development rights as they put in their own people in a cislunar economy. God... Nature abhors power vaccums.

[Anonymous No.12714570]

>>12714565
>Also modern farming standards also don't always work. they can burn out specific patches of land. to my understanding this happens
A big focus in modern environmentalism is making agriculture sustainable. There are ways to prevent or postpone the soil loss etc. that are common with intensive farming

[Anonymous No.12714572]

>>12714298
Also the majority of the printed designs used the sulfur concrete without the polymer

[Anonymous No.12714576]

>>12714556
I'm talking about pushing frontiers, not bulldozing forests for lignite. Stuffing a dysfunctional concrete jungle with a million more people does nothing for humanity as a whole.

[Anonymous No.12714580]

>>12714547
Blatently destroying ecosystems for the sake of increasing population size unnecessarily is inherently evil
Plenty of civilizations and tribes learned to modify ecosystems to better suit their needs like the missisipians, the iroquois and the mesoamerican civilizations. European civilizations had sacred groves for some of their gods and worshipped many animals as their avatars
It's impossible to just leave it un-impacted as that's impossible, but we can modify our behavior and allow the present ecosystems to exist in equilibrium in human civilization. We need the environment for our physical and mental health, otherwise we're dystopian soulless bugmen ruled by spiteful jews
If we invite the local ecosystem in just a bit, every living system can thrive on every world we colonize

[Anonymous No.12714582]

>>12714570
We invented crop rotation centuries ago. Let’s start dumping our shit onto fields instead of into the ocean lmao

[Anonymous No.12714583]

>>12714313
>>12714375
Just s heads up, elon did not pick tunnels

[Anonymous No.12714584]

>>12714580
>Blatently destroying ecosystems for the sake of increasing population size unnecessarily is inherently evil
Oh okay then go live in the woods and freeze to death in the winter. Mankind’s history for the past several thousand years has been removing nature to fit more of us and extract more resources

[Anonymous No.12714585]

>>12714536
Very comfy, thank you anon
>>12714547
Yeah I'm on the same boat as you I think. I respect nature on the basis that it is a gift given to us. But we must utilize the gift. You can disagree with me on the reasoning, but I believe (as Von Braun did) that God would want us to use our intellect in unison with nature to explore and protect (perhaps arbitrarily) what needs to be protected. Pumping chemicals and destroying the ozone isn't the best choice, and recycling and reusing is always helpful, but I will not allow spaceflight to be cancelled because muh nature retards want to power trip and go on a regulation rampage. Nature is important but the whole movement has been hijacked by radicals who care more about koala bears than they do the thousands of infants they genocide each year. That's my stream-of-conscious argument at least.

[Anonymous No.12714588]

>>12714472
Well i guess ill just put that money in RYCEY then

[Anonymous No.12714589]

>>12714583
Obviously you can't see the tunnels in the picture; they're underground and out of frame.

[Anonymous No.12714592]

>>12714582
>Let’s start dumping our shit onto fields
Waste treatment to fertilizer is a thing, treating human waste is more expensive though so it isn't as common as it probably should be.

[Anonymous No.12714593]

>>12714585
good points but humanity isn't colonizing the stars in the event of environmental collapse in the next century or two

[Anonymous No.12714596]

>>12714470
That would require so much more equipment and supplies. Its also a total waste of manpower that could be used on more important projects

[Anonymous No.12714597]

>>12714583
You're avin a laff if you're gonna claim anything in promo material is meant to be taken literally, it's just to catch the eye and show intent. A realistic colony, whatever the construction method, would not be much to look at from the outside.

[Anonymous No.12714605]

>>12714596
It's scalable beyond a boom arm and much faster. Honestly from what I've seen these proonters aren't ready to operate without supervision anyway so I don't even buy that advantage.

[Anonymous No.12714606]

>>12714593
>sorry but we can’t colonize space anymore. Civilization collapsed.
>how?
>Korean flea snakes went extinct
>how did that cause civilization to collapse?
>I dunno just trust me

[Anonymous No.12714608]

>>12714589
When asked if the boring company was meant for mars he said no

[Anonymous No.12714609]

>>12714583
Artist rendering, you dope. If Elon had any personal involvement over this image, it was an aesthetic choice first.

[Anonymous No.12714610]

>>12714597
I expect pre-fab sheds buried in dirt with portholes

[Anonymous No.12714614]

>>12714592
Hydrothermal liquifaction's being tested to recycle sewage and unusable plastics into biocrude, nutrient water and solid waste. The later two could be put in a biodigestor to make biomethane and fertilizer
We could use it on Mars and on Earth to recycle biomass into useful compounds and store energy
https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2014/11/f19/oyler_biomass_2014.pdf

[Anonymous No.12714615]

>>12714584
Some things are inherently beautiful. Actual humans also tend to collectively stop reproducing too much, as seen in upper middle class whites. If we only bring actual people, like non-chinese east asians and caucasians, we won't need to effectively core planets to have a meaningful presence in the solar system.

[Anonymous No.12714617]

>>12714605
>1 person supervising an autonomous printer
>a construction crew of men pouring concrete out of a truck in spacesuits
You can make a buch of those printers and it will scale very quickly.

[Anonymous No.12714619]

>>12714593
Yeah I don't disagree. The environment is important. But liberals blow it out of proportion, and by doing so they make conservatives give less fucks about the environment. A perfect world would be one where social media doesn't exist so no one had a soapbox to radicalize the general public. Or we could just expel liberals, that would solve a majority of our problems.

[Anonymous No.12714622]

>>12714615
>Actual humans also tend to collectively stop reproducing too much, as seen in upper middle class whites
Don’t reproduce enough even to prevent extinction, which is why they’re being replaced.

[Anonymous No.12714624]

>>12714606
>sorry but we can’t colonize space anymore. Civilization collapsed.
>how?
>Mass contamination and chemical pollution of the oceans, combined with runaway pH shifts caused mass die-offs of plankton. The oxygen content in the atmosphere has dropped over 20% from baseline, all humans must now utilize oxygen supplies when in unpressurized areas

[Anonymous No.12714625]

>>12714624
Ocean acidification was shown to be an exaggerated issue years ago. Higher acidity doesn’t bother fish or plankton as much as presumed

[Anonymous No.12714627]

>>12714622
No, they're becoming extinct because of antinatalist propaganda and minecraft villagers shilling (((porn))), causing racemixing and said antinatalism. Just remove and defend against said causes and white/asian flight will be real.

[Anonymous No.12714629]

>>12714617
>set up mold
>pour, level
Ohh no however can we manage it? Surely we need a dozen house-sized printers to make a decently sized structure instead.

[Anonymous No.12714632]

>>12714625
t. my asshole is a publishing organization, I pulled my sources out from there

[Anonymous No.12714633]

>>12714009
>>12713974
Luckies are choice, avoid the new filted ones tho.

[Anonymous No.12714637]

>>12714464
You would have to seal them with some sorta spray on sealer of course
No home on earth is airtight, nor are these 3 d printed homes

[Anonymous No.12714641]

>>12714632
if you disqualify t.my asshole from /sfg/ there won't be anything left here

[Anonymous No.12714642]

>>12714464
I mean, you can probably inflate an internal pressurized structure inside, with the shell entirely for protection.

[Anonymous No.12714646]

>>12714641
Kek fair point

[Anonymous No.12714648]

>>12714597
>A realistic colony, whatever the construction method, would not be much to look at from the outside.
You honestly don't know what its going to look like as none of us know yet. Geostatic domes for the greenhouses and printed exterior structures are probably going to happen because of how easy it is in comparison to alternatives. They might be buried like pic related and they might be connected by tunnels. But what we do know is that the boring company is not meant for mars according to elon and as the quote in the image provided says, elon wants an exciting colony and that means aesthetic will be a major consideration. Its obvious as well when you look at the products Elon's companies make.

[Anonymous No.12714650]

>>12714632
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31915382/
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/324160793_Predictable_ecological_response_to_rising_CO_2_of_a_community_of_marine_phytoplankton

Besides, if ocean acidification made phytoplankton that create calcium shells less successful, they’d just be replaced by phytoplankton that don’t, who would if anything start producing more oxygen due to higher CO2

[Anonymous No.12714651]

>>12714609
The quote was the important part you dope

[Anonymous No.12714654]

>>12714648
>You honestly don't know what its going to look like as none of us know yet.
There isn't a single viable long term inhabitation method that won't end up looking like a reddish lump when it's done.

[Anonymous No.12714656]

>>12714627
The Africans are coming too!
And the Arabs

[Anonymous No.12714658]

>>12714588
Go with SRAC. They're merging with Momentus, who make space tugs. Space tugs!

[Anonymous No.12714659]

>>12714654
Buried storage containers is practical. Safe from radiation and insulated thermally

[Anonymous No.12714663]

>elon musk
fraud
>dear moon
now a dragon flight with mrbeast
>SN9
fucking destroyed
>SN10
doomed
>inspiration 4
cancelled
>falcon 9 booster
at the bottom of the sea
>spacex
bankrupt

[Anonymous No.12714669]

>>12714656
Arabs are fine so long as we make sure the explosion-happy ones are detonated in a controlled environment.
As for the Africans... Well, UNICEF surely can't just magically transport rice to Mars, and I highly doubt Elon Musk, a man whose home was destroyed by "natives" who didn't even inhabit the land, would let them rent some starships.

[Anonymous No.12714676]

>>12714642
A breathable atmosphere is like 7.5 psi
Anything works to seal that and it doesn’t have to be perfect because you would have to cycle the oxygen/CO2 anyways

[Anonymous No.12714677]

>>12714617
You mean 1 guy working and 5 standing around.

[Anonymous No.12714683]

>>12714629
If you are pouring concrete you need a crew because it has to be done fast
Someone controlling it, someone running the vibrator, someone scooping and finishing the top, people tying rebar, etc

[Anonymous No.12714688]

>>12714683
>someone running the vibrator

[Anonymous No.12714692]

>>12714683
Reject modernity, return to masonry
concrete can stay as a mortar

[Anonymous No.12714694]

>>12714683
>it's fine simply dumped out of the end of an aperture
>fill a mold with it, suddenly you need vibrator and rebar

[Anonymous No.12714695]

>>12714692
>clearly a crack in the middle

[Anonymous No.12714696]

>>12714692
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Fort
Martian red fort when?

[Anonymous No.12714699]

>>12714629
Where are you getting the mold? How long will that last, how are you going to ensure it sets correctly and works under pressurization?
>Surely we need a dozen house-sized printers to make a decently sized structure instead.
A boom arm rover can print multiple houses and different shapes while being able to monitor the process in real time. It also has the benefit of building them prior to colonists arriving. Also these rovers would take less cargo space and less prefabbed material than pouring a bunch of molds with a truck and astronauts

[Anonymous No.12714700]

does anybody have the image of the guy replying to that jew who said who gives a fuck about mars with "you wouldn't get it" and pictures of european explorers

[Anonymous No.12714702]

>>12714695
>What is stress testing

[Anonymous No.12714704]

>>12714637
Thats extra work and material
>No home on earth is airtight
Which is why earth methods aren't going to be good for mars
>nor are these 3 d printed homes
That is where you are wrong

[Anonymous No.12714705]

>>12714699
A printer literally needs all the same equipment with the exception of levellers and molds, which is essentially just a bunch of flat pieces of mars-friendly equipment (metal or plastic) that would fit in a closet.

[Anonymous No.12714706]

>>12714642
Okay but why not just print it at that time

[Anonymous No.12714709]

OH NO NO NO NO

[Anonymous No.12714710]

>>12714692
That looks like some really poor hashish.

[Anonymous No.12714712]

>>12714709
Oh no!
Anyway...

[Anonymous No.12714713]

Something printards never explain is how they are going to put a house sized amount of Martian regolith into a 3d proonter?
If the answer is "some guys with a shovel" I am going to be very upset.

[Anonymous No.12714715]

>>12714709
doesn't matter, elon musk will get richer then him again with starlink

[Anonymous No.12714717]

>>12714709
Sorry Bezos, nice try but they aren't counting Elons fat doge stacks.

[Anonymous No.12714718]

>>12714713
>robots

[Anonymous No.12714719]

>>12714700

[Anonymous No.12714720]

>>12714659
>>12714654
They could be grey too, they could be huge blocks of ice, they could be painted. But they definitely won't be in lava tubes and they won't be huge tunnels.

[Anonymous No.12714722]

>>12714719
It's true, the Jew wouldn't understand it. The Jew just wants Israel because it thinks that Israel is the center of the universe.

[Anonymous No.12714723]

>>12714477
>expectation

[Anonymous No.12714724]

>>12714720
Mars reaches 70 Fahrenheit

[Anonymous No.12714725]

>>12714720
Huge blocks of ice are going to go opaque and red in a few months, maybe a few days with work crews working around them. Anyway the only thing there I would rule on on principle is lava tubes. Lava tubes are retarded.

[Anonymous No.12714727]

>>12714423
>>12714441
settling on mars will be Apollo on steroids. Like how the moon landings resulted in a large number of inventions and useful tech (https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/80660main_ApolloFS.pdf https://spinoff.nasa.gov/)) Mars will also demand advancements that will then become beneficial for society as a whole.

[Anonymous No.12714728]

>>12714723
>reality

[Anonymous No.12714731]

>>12714722
Nothing wrong with wanting to hang out in your ethnic homeland

[Anonymous No.12714732]

>>12714658
Okay but are they going to succeed or is it a meme

[Anonymous No.12714733]

>>12714713
For both bricks and printing powder you're going to need to collect Mars rock, sift out the garbage that's not of the right quality, and pulverize the good shit into powder so it can be compacted (for bricks) or melted (for printers). Just because stone is abundant on basically every large body in the solar system doesn't mean that making very large structures out of stone is easy.

[Anonymous No.12714734]

>>12714728
They didn't remember that when astronauts become dads, they become W I D E

[Anonymous No.12714735]

>>12714692
I'm suddenly imagining what future-rustic would look like and I like what my mind's eye is showing me.

[Anonymous No.12714737]

>>12714704
Building things is always work, 3 d printing things is a meme

[Anonymous No.12714738]

>>12714677
Still 6 men

[Anonymous No.12714742]

>>12714705
Not at all, it also requires less of the most resource demanding equipment available on mars (men)

[Anonymous No.12714745]

>>12714728
they need to design a suit that makes dad bods look good

[Anonymous No.12714746]

>>12714709
Starlink.

[Anonymous No.12714747]

>>12714733
>not just converting one of the cargo ships into habitation like a true viking

[Anonymous No.12714749]

>>12714742
A printer needs a particular consistent mixture

[Anonymous No.12714750]

>>12714713

[Anonymous No.12714751]

>>12714731
Except for when you dump your illegal migrants into Europe.

[Anonymous No.12714752]

>>12714742
>Not at all
Excellent argument. I would love to know how you intend to print non-existent material since a container vehicle is not in the cards for you.
>it also requires less of the most resource demanding equipment available on mars (men)
Except when a team of 6 gets the same job done in one one hundredth of the time and you end up expending more man-hours babysitting the printer than would have been spent doing the work.

[Anonymous No.12714760]

>>12714747
While the radiation hazards are overblown, it's still sensible to half-bury and brick/proooont over the ship. You aren't wrong though, I see no inherent problem with tipping over ships that won't be sent back and using them as temporary habs.

[Anonymous No.12714763]

>>12714725
I would also rule out large tunnels as the equipment is too large for the early colony. Buried inflatable or printed habs with printed skeletons like the esa moonbase, buried prefabbed metal habs or printed exterior habs are what is going to work. I'd expect eventually to have connecting tunnels as well

[Anonymous No.12714767]

>>12714760
You don't need bricks or proonting for a steel ship's overlay material, literal soil/rubble will work fine. The steel will hold its shape, mars doesn't have strong enough winds or quakes to dislodge it, and it's just there to provide rad protection through thiccness.

[Anonymous No.12714769]

>>12714737
Underground is a meme, 3d printers are the future of space construction

[Anonymous No.12714771]

>>12714749
And?

[Anonymous No.12714774]

>>12714752
DYOR.

[Anonymous No.12714780]

I'll solve this problem once and for all

[Anonymous No.12714781]

>>12714767
>>12714760
The issue is there are only a few cargoships to spare. Most will be needed to keep running missions

[Anonymous No.12714783]

>>12714774
Consistent inability to compare like situations. You've accepted sulcrete with no adulteration will just work, yet you insist that if poured it suddenly requires extra steps because all you know is earth concrete. All you can say is "muh vibrator" (irrelevant, meant to combat 1atm air ingress in a water mixture, not .01atm ingress in a sulfur mixture) and "muh rebar" (not any more necessary than for you fucking buttplug, retard)

[Anonymous No.12714784]

>>12714780
of course!

[Anonymous No.12714787]

>>12714767
You can't sacrifice very many ships however

[Anonymous No.12714791]

>>12714781
>>12714787
Yes, this is just early on before you have infrastructure set up. It's more efficient to get a good start with the cargo ships and just build more than it is to build everything from the ground up with minimal internal volume to work with.

[Anonymous No.12714792]

post the 4ass rocket

[Anonymous No.12714796]

>>12714783
The proof of concept has already been shown for printers. Anything requiring more men is going to put a heavy strain on the supply chain and sustainability of the early colony. It also takes away already limited man hours from the more important needs of the colony

[Anonymous No.12714799]

>>12714791
They plan to keep the starships from the first cargo mission there, thats already a given

[Anonymous No.12714805]

>>12714796
>The proof of concept has already been shown for printers.
It's never been done at 1:1 scale, never been pressurized, and the "winning" concept uses a different construction method requiring hauling part of your material all the way from the depths of Earth's gravity well but sure you're right, somehow no one ever felt it was necessary to "prove" that it's possible to pour concrete, or lay bricks, or use an excavator.

[Anonymous No.12714807]

>>12714728
>ywn relive the glory of those posts

[Anonymous No.12714814]

>>12714796
I should add, noone cares about how these look because it isn't what they will look like when we get the actual polished designs. What matters is they showed how printing marscrete can work and in an automated way.

[Anonymous No.12714817]

>>12714796
>using a material with no tensile strength to build a pressure vessel
>not using a technique that has existed for thousands of years on earth, which is mature and uses off the shelf technology

tunnel snakes rule

[Anonymous No.12714819]

How hard will proontnigger rope when Elon sends a TBM?

[Anonymous No.12714825]

>>12714819
How hard will you ree when he sends some blasting equipment and starts stacking stones ?

[Anonymous No.12714827]

>>12714805
That is true, however the concrete poured structure failed completely, partially collapsing under it's own weight if I recall correctly. In addition, while this isn't 1/1 scale, it's 1/3 scale, it's not like these are tiny miniatures on a desktop, and you will recall that the gravity in which these structures are assembled is roughly 30% that of Earth's, with almost nonexistent wind and weak geological activity if any. At it's current thickness here on Earth that basalt polymer buttplug could have stood to it's full size on Mars, and while it was about an inch thick in the test I think they said they would want it to be 3" on Mars, so not only could it be to the full proposed sized, but two or three times upscaled beyond that, or close to the size of a nine story building.
Both of these structures were also subjected to a weight test in which a fifty ton excavator lent it's weight on top of them. Both did crack eventually, however the cuckcrete hut was crushed into powder immediately, while the basalt polymer structure held the entire fifty ton mass of the excavator for several seconds before only a part of it cracked off.
The cuckcrete extruder also suffered a serious malfunction, liquid concrete hardened in the pipe and required human intervention to pick the shit out of there. The basalt plastic one suffered a print programming issue which had it printing too fast and thus overheating some layers near the top, however this problem could be mitigated by a fine tuning of software.

In that particular test the basalt polymer PROOOONTER won not just because it was shique and new, but because the competing process proved in practice to be strictly inferior.

[Anonymous No.12714830]

>>12714825
>Elon doesn't send a TBM
>because he's sending 50 tons of dynamite instead
Anyone who would be unhappy with this situation is invited to leave

[Anonymous No.12714833]

>>12714830
Why send 50 tons of dynamite when you could send 30 tons of HMX?

Better yet, send one Davy Crockett

[Anonymous No.12714835]

>>12714833
what if we sent 50 tons of davy crocketts?

[Anonymous No.12714838]

>>12714827
>all this arguing that you can't pour sulcrete
>turns out proonting is objectively an inferior way to lay sulcrete and pouring would have been 10x better

[Anonymous No.12714840]

why does Bill Gates keep trying to shit on Musk? Is he Jealous?

[Anonymous No.12714842]

>>12714805
>no one ever felt it was necessary to "prove" that it's possible to pour concrete, or lay bricks, or use an excavator
Did they prove that can be done by a robot? Or pressurized? Or with marscrete? Also that concept won 1 round in a continuing program, there were 2 other rounds and more to go. A printer is literally just an automated pourer without needing a crew or an excavator or molds or making it piecemeal like with bricks. I bet if i didn't use the term printer half of you guys would be all for it

[Anonymous No.12714844]

>>12714842
>Did they prove that can be done by a robot?
why would you ever do anything with a robot lmao

[Anonymous No.12714847]

>>12714817
>with no tensile strength
You are retarded

[Anonymous No.12714848]

>>12714833
Why send 30 tons of HMX when you could send down one of these?

[Anonymous No.12714849]

>>12714844
wait wait wait no i got your argument already
>noooo muh manpower
meanwhile in reality: 30 sweaty (wy)men watch a robot fail to make a pothole

[Anonymous No.12714850]

>>12714833
>Not sending a starship who's entire upper stage is one large deuterium/tritium tank with a conventional warhead at the nose.
>>12714838
I am strictly talking about the live demonstration which took place between two automated building processes. If Marscrete is superior to both I would be strongly interested in a practical demonstration of it's advantages.

[Anonymous No.12714854]

>>12714819
>Imagine thinking the man whos entire work is meme levels of tech and aesthetics is not going to choose the proont meme

[Anonymous No.12714860]

>>12714854
Elon's entire work is in reducing to fundamentals and eliminating complexity. Only midwits see "lmao meme tech".

[Anonymous No.12714863]

>>12714827
Thank you for actually discussing this

[Anonymous No.12714869]

>>12714844
>>12714849
Ah yes lets make our hab building require a bunch of man power at a place that is incredibly difficult to live and very far away from resupply. Yes lets do that instead of the automated alternative that requires little risk at all.

[Anonymous No.12714873]

>>12714869
Everything will always take manpower
Somethings can be automated but people moving shit with their hands is way better than a machine

[Anonymous No.12714876]

>>12714860
A printer is just an automated material pouring tube. SpaceX is already very good at automation and so is tesla. There is zero reason so believe they couldn't get a printer working easier than sending 100 space mexicans to pour out of pic related

[Anonymous No.12714878]

>>12714869
>>12714850
>Automated

You keep using this word but I don't think you know what it means. No significant habitat construction, including your faggot buttplug is happening without boots on the ground. The best that is happening without humans is self unrolling solar panels and semi autonomous earth moving equipment.

[Anonymous No.12714879]

>>12714873
>but people moving shit with their hands is way better than a machine
Not at all

[Anonymous No.12714881]

>>12714878
>No significant habitat construction, including your faggot buttplug is happening without boots on the ground
Someone didn't watch the competition

[Anonymous No.12714886]

>>12714878
Yes, and so far, between cuckcrete pouring and basalt PROOOOOONTING, the NASA competition demonstrated that the human operators had significantly more difficulty with cuckcrete than they did with the basalt, up to and including having to completely halt operation and partially disassemble the piece of equipment due to a mechanical breakdown caused by the nature of the building material.
I will reiterate for a second time that if Marscrete is a superior option to both, I would strongly desire to see a practical demonstration of the mixture and it's advantages, if such a demonstration already exists please post it.

[Anonymous No.12714895]

>>12714688
>He doesn't know

[Anonymous No.12714899]

>>12714881
So the competition featured an entirely hands off process with equipment digging and refining local regolith did it?

[Anonymous No.12714902]

>>12714886
Also you keep strawmanning me into the position of your other shit proonter machine which I also don't care about.

[Anonymous No.12714903]

>>12714840
No one likes Bill Gates he’s some evil Mr. Burns weirdo

[Anonymous No.12714905]

>>12714899
No swamp works is tackling that aspect. The printing however was completely remote

[Anonymous No.12714907]

>>12714769
>rely on proonting for habs
>the robot inevitable fucks up halfway and the top half of the hab is shifted away from the bottom half by like 5 m
>results in the hab tipping over and the remainder of the top being a goopy ass mess

[Anonymous No.12714909]

>>12714905
Cool so the competition didn't demonstrate the most fundamental aspect of using in situ resources remotely. Also the buttplug took for fucking ever to print and it's a tiny scale model.

[Anonymous No.12714924]

>>12714909
That wasn't the purpose of the competition. Also that part is already being handled by yet another automated machine. And even if it didn't it would still be better to have the actual structure building done by a machine.
>Also the buttplug took for fucking ever to print and it's a tiny scale model.
So? Its hands off, you can start printing them before you get there, you can be printing them when you're setting up your propellant plant or your solar farms. You can have them printing when you are doing anything. Do you know how long it normally takes to build a concrete structure? Also have fun making all that rebar.

[Anonymous No.12714928]

>This thread

[Anonymous No.12714933]

>>12714907
>>the robot inevitable fucks up halfway and the top half of the hab is shifted away from the bottom half by like 5 m
You are much more likely to encounter human error than error in the machine.

[Anonymous No.12714934]

>>12714924
These printed structures claim to not need rebar because they are filled with meme polymers which can’t be made in Situ

[Anonymous No.12714937]

>>12714928
Kek, needs the domers too. Soo many dome autists on this board

[Anonymous No.12714947]

>>12714934
>These printed structures
One, one of them does and it does actually work without rebar. However the amount of polymer they would need vs the amount of rebar in a classically built structure is going to be much less cargo volume on the early missions.

[Anonymous No.12714951]

>>12714928
You forgot the viking longhouse made out of Starship.

[Anonymous No.12714955]

>>12714928
Needs Pisslock

[Anonymous No.12714956]

>>12714928
The viet kong and the coomer lmao

[Anonymous No.12714975]

>Two robotic cargo flights, the first of which may be named "Heart of Gold", were originally aspirationally slated to be launched in 2022 to deliver a massive array of solar panels, mining equipment, as well as deliver surface vehicles, food and life support infrastructure. Additionally, it was originally planned that in 2024, the mission concept would have four more Starships follow: two robotic cargo flights, and two crewed flights will be launched to set up the propellant production plant, deploy the solar park and landing pads, and assemble greenhouses. Each landed mass will be at least 100 tons of usable payload, in addition to the spaceship's dry mass of 85 tons.
Just a reminder to all the anons not on team print. Tell me how these missions are going to set up these structures without printing.

[Anonymous No.12714977]

>>12714975
>Team print

It's literally just you, one autistic spammer.

[Anonymous No.12714979]

>>12714975
Bricks and concrete mortar

[Anonymous No.12714980]

>>12714975

[Anonymous No.12714987]

>>12714977
we are all one person anon

[Anonymous No.12714992]

>>12714979
overly complicated when you can just proont

[Anonymous No.12714996]

>>12714987
there is only one poster here

[Anonymous No.12714998]

>>12714996
indeed

[Anonymous No.12715000]

>>12714992
Proonting machine is overly complicated when you can just press dirt into bricks and use a sulcrete gun to glue them down

[Anonymous No.12715003]

>>12715000
good luck finding the source of all your leaks on a 3 story high 4 foot think wall made of fucking bricks

[Anonymous No.12715005]

finally /sfg/ has returned to arguing over proonting vs standard construction rather then shitty politics

[Anonymous No.12715012]

>>12715005
Proonterfags are liberal atheists

[Anonymous No.12715016]

>>12715003
>implying every single brick won't be carefully placed and imaged and autistically profiled by mission control

[Anonymous No.12715020]

>>12715012
Wrong, the day of the print is coming and you will see right wing print squads take to the streets of new Elon

[Anonymous No.12715025]

>>12715016
And that is better than just squirting it out of a printer how?

[Anonymous No.12715027]

>>12715003
>What is a liner?
Something you would need for XL Bad Proonter habs anyway but with better stability and less complicated

[Anonymous No.12715029]

>>12715003
>add some colorant to the air
>patch leak

[Anonymous No.12715030]

>>12715025
I didn't say it is

[Anonymous No.12715033]

>>12715020
50% of the personnel on mars will be Negro stone haulers and Mexican brick layers
With effeminate white suits to supervise

[Anonymous No.12715041]

>>12715027
>What is a liner?
A prefabbed non mars made piece of garbage.

[Anonymous No.12715043]

>>12715033
>Mfw they finish my hab

[Anonymous No.12715046]

>>12715033
They'll all suffer a premature airlock release

[Anonymous No.12715049]

>>12715041
It's just spray on plastic to make it airtight, something your dildo house would also need

[Anonymous No.12715065]

>>12715041
You're going to need one in your faggot fudgepacking house too.

[Anonymous No.12715068]

>>12715041
>non mars made piece of garbage.

Ironic considering your entire method of building relies on endless shipments of snowflake polymers from urf.

[Anonymous No.12715076]

I have yet to hear an argument against just bringing a giant boring machine and tunneling your home into bedrock. Yeah it would suck but it could be for all the personal rooms and storage. Public quarters, laboratories, viewing rooms, etc could be constructed at the surface as need be. I could realistically see pic related happening.

[Anonymous No.12715085]

>>12715076
Yes it's better in virtually every aspect which is obviously why Elon is investing in it.

[Anonymous No.12715092]

lol

[Anonymous No.12715100]

>https://twitter.com/BocaChicaGal/status/1361845958024265728?s=20
static fire tomorrow

[Anonymous No.12715102]

>>12715092
BOOO! Get a better waifu!

[Anonymous No.12715103]

>>12715076
>just bringing a giant boring machine and tunneling your home into bedrock
>just

[Anonymous No.12715106]

Space is hard

[Anonymous No.12715108]

>>12715085
>why Elon is investing in it.
The boring company has nothing to do with mars.

[Anonymous No.12715115]

>>12715108
Just like Tesla right?

[Anonymous No.12715118]

>>12713398
The bobiverse is pretty good, if a little reddit.
I'd also recommend relevation space, great series of books

[Anonymous No.12715120]

>>12715115
Elon said it has nothing to do with mars, Elon has however talked about maybe using tesla products on mars

[Anonymous No.12715132]

>>12715108
He has said before that tunnels would be useful on mars. Check your Elon lore newfag.

[Anonymous No.12715136]

>>12715076
>bedrock
Do we even know how far down it is? Do we have any idea what kind of soil environment is below the surface? Is tunneling even practical?

[Anonymous No.12715139]

>>12715108
>>12715120
Everything he does is based around future potential on mars. Do you think he really gives a shit about building tunnels for fucking event stadiums and airports? Just like Tesla it's a front to develop technology for Mars.

[Anonymous No.12715143]

>>12715132
source

[Anonymous No.12715146]

>>12715136
What even is the geological structure of a dead planet? Is it all just sandstone?

[Anonymous No.12715152]

>>12715143

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnet.com/google-amp/news/spacex-exec-gwynne-shotwell-says-elon-musks-boring-company-could-create-homes-on-mars/

>"I think the Boring Company could be the way that we house people on Mars. We'll have to dig tunnels for folks,"

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mashable.com/2017/07/19/elon-musk-boring-company-mars-colony.amp

>"And then, along the way, building underground habitats where you could get radiation shielding… you could build an entire city underground if you wanted to," said Musk. "People are still going to want to go to the surface from time to time, but you can build a tremendous amount underground with the right boring technology on Mars.

A five second Google search and the top two links have both Elon and shotwell talking about it. Now fuck off back to rebbit newfag.

[Anonymous No.12715153]

>>12715146
Mars is geologically active

[Anonymous No.12715154]

>>12715139
I think it was to test the technology but I believe he thinks its not as solid of an idea as he thought. It definitely was his old plan

[Anonymous No.12715166]

>>12715152
That was years ago and recently he said it wasn't for mars.
>Now fuck off back to rebbit newfag.
Says the faggot with reddit spacing

[Anonymous No.12715170]

>>12715166
>and recently he said it wasn't for mars.

Where's your source cunt? And get a grip, it's called formatting your fucking post.

[Anonymous No.12715182]

>>12715136
>>12715146
Here you go dorks, though this is largely restricted to Gale crater it should give you a general idea of what you're gonna deal with. And I can assure you that this isn't Krystal R34
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uuY_pMHAMiOwgyNcjEBosmXnF_31hrjt/view?usp=sharing

[Anonymous No.12715195]

>>12715182

[Anonymous No.12715197]

>>12715170
It was in tesla's most recent news livestream. now go back faggot

[Anonymous No.12715210]

>>12715182
Okay 1) I was definitely expecting a Krystalpost, and 2) I've published in Elements before lmao

[Anonymous No.12715213]

>>12715197
I gave you some sources you lazy nigger. Fucking timestamp it.

[Anonymous No.12715228]

>>12715213
>google searches
>sources
k

[Anonymous No.12715233]

>>12715228
Still more effort than your

>Hurr I said so

[Anonymous No.12715258]

People are more mass and cost efficient than machinery prove me wrong

[Anonymous No.12715263]

>>12715195
I'd upload it directly but the fags in charge of /sci/ won't let us upload PDFs and I'm too fucking lazy to convert it all into separate image files

[Anonymous No.12715264]

>>12714536
Alright brothers it’s me again. The good news is that “simulations” show that the colony architecture here works great on Duna (thanks wheels). There are a few points of improvement though that must be addressed before I start making the colony
1) These things are heavy. Each module is around 12 tons apiece. They lack RCS or a heat shield and can only really be deployed from low Duna Orbit
2) My original plan was to dock four or five of them to a transfer stage and boost them to Duna at once (while breaking into orbit). It turns out that the transfer stage has to be gigantic in order to his the payload and Delta V requirements.
3) I could launch the modules alongside a small transfer stage, but this would mean that I’d have dozens of landers per synod, which is awful to deal with.
4) Lastly and rather important, I’m not sure how to launch the modules into LEO. They don’t fit into the shuttle-type cargo bays so I can’t use a Starship clone to launch them. I could use a vehicle with an expendable upper stage but that feels like it kills some of the realism. I’m in a pickle here because they’re already as volume efficient as possible.
Suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Also the colony size has increased from 100 to 160. It’ll still be a 50/50 male female split.

[Anonymous No.12715289]

Idk why people are arguing so much. Both tunnels and 3d printers will be used

[Anonymous No.12715377]

>>12715182
Elements is based

[Anonymous No.12715381]

>>12715289
/sfg/ comes in three phases
>oldfags have nothing going on, come back for a while and the threads get good again
>newfags take over and ruin it
>printing comes back, newfags leave <--- You Are Here

[Anonymous No.12715383]

>>12715381
Printing is not newfaggotry.

[Anonymous No.12715390]

>>12715383
that's not what it said

[Anonymous No.12715424]

>>12715383
Reading comprehension: 2/10
>>12715381
Yeah proonting pisses me off, but the anons who shill about it are old friends. I’d rather shitpost back and forth with them than spend an hour ignoring all the reddit refugees

[Anonymous No.12715431]

its actually 25 degrees (-4 for europoors) in boca chica? damn.

[Anonymous No.12715440]

Why have we not experimented with the radiation eating shrooms we found from chernobyl to see how well they would work in space?

[Anonymous No.12715442]

>>12715440
>Mir

[Anonymous No.12715455]

>>12714495
t.

[Anonymous No.12715494]

>>12715455
God we need to nuke china and india

[Anonymous No.12715495]

>>12715003
just hose it down with corn plastic sealant

[Anonymous No.12715507]

>>12715455
Based India

[Anonymous No.12715525]

>>12715264
The road to Duna is paved with the blood of patriots and expendable stages

[Anonymous No.12715541]

>>12715495
There is no escaping the corn jew

[Anonymous No.12715542]

>>12714928
You better add pisslock or im gona reereeeeeeeee

[Anonymous No.12715545]

>>12715541
corn is delicious as long as you're eating it whole or ground into meal and not processed into some sort of awful syrup

[Anonymous No.12715553]

[Anonymous No.12715564]

>>12714171
This is perfectly acceptable if everyone's lives is expendable.
I live in a country that imports an army of Bangladeshi's to do the most dangerous jobs for $3 an hour because the locals refuse to do it. They'd unrionically would be clamouring to work interplanetary for $10/hour plus free accommodation/food.

[Anonymous No.12715569]

>>12715564
It is not possible to integrate these people without nearly guaranteeing mission failure. Not initially, anyway. If genuine healthy colony is ever established, then it can be time to consider this.

[Anonymous No.12715571]

>>12714372
> all this cope
They have approval to build and fit perfectly in a starship.
Solar is a meme that people use to skirt around the engineering realities of an 18 month stay on Mars.
Only a few places on the moon is it decent too.

[Anonymous No.12715574]

>>12714719
Serious question. Have there been any Jews who were prominent in the American and Soviet space programs?

[Anonymous No.12715588]

>>12714728
ACES still stands as pinnacle of pressure suit design.

[Anonymous No.12715601]

>>12715076
TBM's require a shitload of energy and water to go just a few metres, they constantly break down and need new cutters every 10m. This is in surveyed soil where you know the geology of what you're up against.
You need a team of 50 people, plus support trucks to move the dirt out, it's a massive endeavour just on Earth. The difficulty scales up a fucktonne on Mars.
Maybe it a good late stage concept with the need for custom shaped areas, but there's no fucking way it's happening early or with under 1000 people living there, especially when there's already tens of thousands of lava tubes that have so much volume it would take 20 years to evacuate on Earth.
t. been around a lot of underground mines and civil engineering projects

[Anonymous No.12715604]

>>12715569
> these people
woah what's with all the antisemitism
I think we should just brute force our way there with hundred of inevitable deaths, like the Hoover dam

[Anonymous No.12715619]

>>12715564
Bangladesh is pretty neat. It’s one of the most ethnically homogenous countries in the world, and there’s over a hundred million of them. Kinda envious

[Anonymous No.12715624]

>>12715619
I don't live there and don't want to. They just seem to love being other people's cheap labour on the most dangerous worksites possible.

[Anonymous No.12715630]

>>12715624
Chad Bengali imported laborer juggling molten rocks in a mine vs Virgin first world white who thinks flipping patties at McDonald’s is hard work

[Anonymous No.12715698]

>>12715132
>>12715139
They asked him this at the Mars Society a few months ago and he flat out said NO boring company is for traffic alleviation. not mars

[Anonymous No.12715771]

>>12715698
He really doesn't like LA traffic hey.

[Anonymous No.12715806]

>>12715442

[Anonymous No.12715816]

>>12714992
>just proont

[Anonymous No.12715828]

>>12715816
OH NO NO NO NO

[Anonymous No.12715831]

>>12715816
> heres your new hab bro

[Anonymous No.12715874]

>>12715816
looks painful to sleep on ngl

[Anonymous No.12715888]

>>12715816
and this is why we wont print. instead we will trim and chisel. isogrid hab brothers, RISE UP

[Anonymous No.12715962]

>>12715154
Is this Death Stranding?

[Anonymous No.12715975]

Robert Zubrin... god, I love that man, more than my own dad

[Anonymous No.12716000]

>>12715816
It's even better with the massive splash on one wall

[Anonymous No.12716009]

>>12716008
>>12716008
>>12716008
>>12716008

[Anonymous No.12716019]

>>12715455
This is what capitalism gets you. There is no profit in recycling and people dont want taxation for it.

[Anonymous No.12716039]

>>12715092
I was on the bus, you absolute cock monger.
And for God's sake, robogirls are way better.