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/sfg/ Spaceflight General Anonymous Mon Feb 15 05:39:11 2021 No.12708003 [Reply] [Original]

The countdown begins edition
Previous >>12703755

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 05:40:58 2021 No.12708006 File: 19 KB, 1008x656, 106690034-1599161367514-starship_sn6_labdpadre.pngv1599161445.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12708003 So when is the next hop

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 05:43:10 2021 No.12708008 >>12708006 When the weather gets better probably

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 05:44:58 2021 No.12708010 File: 62 KB, 2048x1365, rawImage (1).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12708008 It better be soon. I want to see it land live

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 05:50:15 2021 No.12708014 >>12708003 Do you guys ever wonder about the first manned mars trip. Like it is so unavoidably dangerous, especially trying to get back. I wonder if today's society could even handle the death of some astronauts.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 06:44:29 2021 No.12708110 >>12708006 Which hopper is this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 06:46:43 2021 No.12708114 >>12708014 >I wonder if today's society could even handle the death of some astronauts Today's society cant even handle the placement of a female in the crew, or the lack of one.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 06:48:00 2021 No.12708119 is thunderf00t based? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TxkE_oYrjU

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 07:00:22 2021 No.12708139 >>12707992 Made before this one. Do you plebs not even read?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 07:27:37 2021 No.12708176 File: 45 KB, 611x458, 1552492026310.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] bumping real thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 07:33:50 2021 No.12708184 >>12708176 Nice collection, anon. But this isn't sextoys general

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 07:52:08 2021 No.12708209

>>12708119
entire video whiny and complaining, changing topics to boring company, not knowing Dragon is human rated, and in conclusion basically boils down to 'its not as cheap as he says it is'.

But it still is cheap. Cheaper than anyone else. Why would they make it cheaper? They're a for profit company.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 08:00:03 2021 No.12708228 File: 277 KB, 1234x1461, 1587506195231.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12708184 Sorry, wrong dildo collection.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 09:15:14 2021 No.12708349 >>12708228 Is that with new Glenn and Falcon heavy in expendable mode? Given how close falcon heavy is to SLS in payload why the hell dont we just use it for Artemis?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 10:34:19 2021 No.12708518 >>12708228 That diagram should really include the tankers needed to refuel SS.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 11:39:53 2021 No.12708672 >>12708119 what's his problem /sfg/? why is he so butthurt for so many years? did elon touch him in his private place?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 12:19:09 2021 No.12708798 >>12708518 Doesn't matter. It's the payload that counts.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 12:24:03 2021 No.12708809 File: 810 KB, 1280x1046, donald_dick.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12708228 that pic just made me very hard anon

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 12:30:13 2021 No.12708831 File: 336 KB, 1920x1080, 1612502257113.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How the fuck are we getting to Mars before 2030 bros?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 12:33:02 2021 No.12708849 >>12708831 oh that's easy we do some tests in the 2022 launch window then we shoot many rockets towards it together some to act as storehouses with food / water etc. one with 50 people and other material to begin the first colony

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:00:40 2021 No.12708928

>>12708119
Not in that video. He intentionally ignores information that goes against his arguments, talks about irrelevant topics as if they're proof of his case, calls Shotwell a liar over her positive claims about SpaceX yet accepts negative claims about SpaceX from companies who compete against the company, and throws a price dumping accusation out there with no evidence

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:05:28 2021 No.12708938 >>12708110 Sn5

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:06:30 2021 No.12708943 >>12708114 True

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:07:32 2021 No.12708944 >>12708139 That is a bullshit op image

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:08:20 2021 No.12708946 File: 170 KB, 585x460, 1612820781443.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Dude, you don't believe in aliens? That's literally wrong >You realize that there's like 20 billion Earth-like planets in our galaxy, don't you?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:09:39 2021 No.12708952 3 more days roverchads

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:10:41 2021 No.12708955 >>12708946 I mean i believe in aliens but i also believe we won't ever meet them without FTL travel

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:11:49 2021 No.12708958 File: 1.33 MB, 1200x799, 1613409156725.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 3 more days roverchads

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:14:18 2021 No.12708962

Could some Biologyanons here give us a rough gestalt of the limits of genetic engineering when it comes to modifying the cold resistance/CO2 consumption of a plant? I understand that the various perchlorates in martian regolith severely stunt plant growth, but there's got to be some way to spread something like a versatile algae in lichen form over the surface for some free O2.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:16:32 2021 No.12708967 >>12708831 Starship reaches orbit this year, when that happens you will see maybe cargo starships sent to mars on 2022. By 2024 the Starship will be polished enough to be working on getting crew rated. By 2026 there will be a crewed mission.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:16:42 2021 No.12708968 >>12708958 Dood lets propulsively land on mars and since we are idiots let’s hover and fucking lower a rover 200 feet

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:17:30 2021 No.12708970 File: 3.01 MB, 1412x942, 1613410101193.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The russians are making a pretty spacey ship

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:18:54 2021 No.12708974 >>12708968 skycrane is based fuck off

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:19:26 2021 No.12708977 File: 2.81 MB, 1413x943, 1613410981971.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12708970 We will see how it goes

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:20:29 2021 No.12708980 File: 60 KB, 919x524, 1613409347579.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12708968 It worked before and its better than the alternative airbag assualt on the surface

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:23:04 2021 No.12708987 >>12708980 Do a proper hover slam or fuck off

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:24:57 2021 No.12708990

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1361322519786119171
>The Inspiration4 sweepstakes, which is raffling off a seat on a Crew Dragon mission at a fundraiser, is at the halfway mark (started two weeks ago, ends Feb. 28). Its goal is $100M and it’s currently at… just $8.9M.
big oof

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:25:59 2021 No.12708995 >>12708987 Nah

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:27:47 2021 No.12709003 File: 193 KB, 1106x1080, 1613389433291.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Anyone else heard about OTRAG? Watched this documentary recently, shit was fucking insane. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEmYgATuz5A

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:29:05 2021 No.12709008 >>12709003 It literally never had the mass fraction it needs to reach orbit

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:29:18 2021 No.12709010 >>12708987 >spacex popularized the hoverslam so now it needs to be used everywhere retard.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:29:55 2021 No.12709012 File: 556 KB, 4096x2304, 1613214245764.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12708228 Absolutely based. Starship is gonna blow the space race wide open

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:31:00 2021 No.12709014 >>12708349 They're starting to do just that

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:34:27 2021 No.12709030 File: 290 KB, 1920x900, 1613405424931.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] All you "colonists" are pathetic. Us chads in the 3120s are the real chads

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:38:57 2021 No.12709041 File: 229 KB, 1102x509, 1609283560409.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12708518 We need to get fuel depots operational, that would open up the door for different rocket manufactures to go to the moon such as Indian and Airbus.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:39:59 2021 No.12709047 >>12708928 So is he a outrage grifter?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:42:18 2021 No.12709056 File: 963 KB, 794x565, 1595015978883.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12709041 son i need to speak to you outside...

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:42:54 2021 No.12709057 >>12709010 They didn’t popularize it or invent it.... it’s the optimal landing profile....

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 13:54:53 2021 No.12709103 Why is tory bruno so based on Twitter but ULA is so shit?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:03:12 2021 No.12709132 >>12709103 ULA is funded and controlled by the government

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:40:04 2021 No.12709246 File: 81 KB, 1000x575, Vulcan-Centaur-graphic_ULA.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12709132 >>12709103 Actually the vulcan should be pretty great.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 14:43:35 2021 No.12709258 >>12708977 looks nice

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:10:22 2021 No.12709430
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Found a solution to a nuclear reactor's cooling needs in a martian atmosphere
a vortex chimney could send heated ambient martian air into its stratosphere so it could cool off more efficiently with minimal physical structures and would harvest more power from the waste heat of a reactor's CO2 turbines
Plus, you could add atmospheric gasses into the stratosphere with it

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:22:48 2021 No.12709503 >>12708970 >orel coming 2025 >yenisei coming 2028 the absolute state of russian R&D

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:23:52 2021 No.12709510 File: 57 KB, 750x750, 1592715983706.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12709246 post yfw Starship gets to orbit before SLS, Vulcan, Ariane 5 and New Glenn

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:33:17 2021 No.12709551 >>12709503 The only significant difference from the rest of oldspace programs is a shoestring budget

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 15:59:38 2021 No.12709656

>>12709246
>its 2024
>starship is taking cargo to mars and the moon, falcon heavy is sending gateway to the moon's orbit having already sent up the Europa clipper. New Glenn is just starting blue origin's mission to industriali,e space and the ULA Vulcan is running constant space force operations

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:19:58 2021 No.12709747 File: 740 KB, 2104x3836, g8twme7z0qc21.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12709510 Absolutely unreal

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:28:56 2021 No.12709779 File: 540 KB, 617x543, 1588629471249.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12708003 What streams are you watching on Thursday? NASA's is probably going to be insufferable.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:31:15 2021 No.12709790 >>12708958 Does the helicopter have a camera? That's all I'm interested in. The rover itself is a boring piece of trash that serves no real purpose. The previous rovers have already gathered all the relevant data that a rover could possibly gather.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:33:13 2021 No.12709795 >>12708970 They deserve it after being crammed into the Soyuz for all these years.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:40:42 2021 No.12709815 >>12709790 >Does the helicopter have a camera? That's all I'm interested in. yup.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:40:55 2021 No.12709817 >>12708970 Looks like something out of 90s building lmao.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:47:22 2021 No.12709842 >>12709790 Yes it does

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:49:29 2021 No.12709847 >>12709790 >The rover itself is a boring piece of trash that serves no real purpose. Actually the rover has a lot of good shit on it, also we get camera footage and audio from the skycrane process

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:51:46 2021 No.12709851 >>12708946 Literally not wrong tho

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:52:07 2021 No.12709854 >>12708970 /comfy/ as fuck, I want to ride on it. Crew Dragon's soulless interior wishes it looked half this nice.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:52:53 2021 No.12709857 >>12709057 for the falcon 9. You know skycrane was specifically made because they don't want to kick up a bunch of dust on the billion dollar equipment

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:53:23 2021 No.12709859 >>12708970 >lets go for the public toilet aesthetic

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:54:03 2021 No.12709865 >>12709854 Looks pretty bare bones to me. I'm glad its being made however

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:55:38 2021 No.12709872 >>12709851 science fiction isn't real

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:56:14 2021 No.12709876 >>12708970 >>12709859 I'd like to think that the shitter is behind the panel marked '3' and to drop a load you get to shove your bare ass between the heads of the captain and the pilot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:57:58 2021 No.12709884 File: 49 KB, 1000x600, SpaceX-Inspiration-4-All-Civilian-Space-Flight-Raffle-1000x600.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Did you guys donate?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 16:58:02 2021 No.12709885 >>12709854 >soulless interior you are braindead

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 17:03:31 2021 No.12709908 >>12709854 it looks like shit

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 17:07:36 2021 No.12709925 File: 449 KB, 923x805, 1613404406879.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is anyone excited about how easy solar will be on mars

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 17:12:15 2021 No.12709941 >>12709925 >having to wipe off all that fucking dust

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 17:13:27 2021 No.12709944 >>12709925 You better hire a good panel cleaner, or your plant is toast in a few months. Martian dust is a bitch.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 17:13:48 2021 No.12709947 >>12709941 Just use an air compressor

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 17:14:07 2021 No.12709949 >>12709884 Tfw yuropoor

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 17:14:50 2021 No.12709951 >>12709944 Not really a hard thing when you have boots on the ground

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 17:15:51 2021 No.12709954
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SN27 has a healthy dent in the bell so it's clearly not going to fly again. Maybe it's going to be used as a pathfinder for BN1. Or used for on-site replacement parts for another raptor if needed

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 17:21:01 2021 No.12709967 >>12709925 Enjoy cleaning dust off your panels every day and getting gigacancer as a result. I'll be chilling in my lava tube with a nuclear reactor building the Geofront irl.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 17:21:08 2021 No.12709968 >>12709954 >healthy dent What's the problem, do they not have any hammers on site?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 17:27:04 2021 No.12709991 File: 305 KB, 1048x1584, 1593111013413.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12708003 It's out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TxkE_oYrjU

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 17:30:52 2021 No.12710004 >>12709991 >>12708209

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 17:33:03 2021 No.12710008 >>12709968 Seems risky and could create a weak point. Also I'm sure the nozzle is a specific shape and changing that even by a little could effect the flight

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 17:34:56 2021 No.12710017 >>12709991 Is this guy this retarded?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 17:35:45 2021 No.12710020 File: 334 KB, 2048x1366, C6262D64-3129-4483-9A09-99EFF86403E1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] VulcanCHADS rise up!

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 17:37:37 2021 No.12710027 >>12710020 >not reusable

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 17:39:40 2021 No.12710033 >>12710027 Yet...

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 17:41:38 2021 No.12710041 >>12710033 It won't be

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 17:42:10 2021 No.12710043 >>12709925 >Is anyone excited about how easy solar will be in martian orbit? FTFY

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 17:44:28 2021 No.12710052 >>12709925 I'm sure excited about capacity factors of 20%

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 17:48:07 2021 No.12710067 >>12710020 >massive vertical structure Where’s the tents Bet they didn’t even have any Mexican welders

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 17:56:38 2021 No.12710100

>>12709925
>>12710043
>"Well, time to put my commsman headset on..."
>"This just in, the Sol Invictus solar power station remains dormant despite NASA's attempts to reactivate the facility. The chief engineer vowed to fix the problem, blaming it on the axiom of quote "Energy is hard"
>"This news program was brought to you by the Frogs and Feels tavern. The martian's choice to share the drink of loneliness. Now I'm gonna play one of my very favorite songs for you..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&feature=youtu.be&v=iFRa0KZsGhc

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 18:21:11 2021 No.12710175 Great. Another mishap where Americans spill Tardigrades all over a pristine celestial body.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 18:25:54 2021 No.12710187 >>12710175 Earth life is superior to any faggot lifeless planet

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 18:34:35 2021 No.12710219 >>12710175 Good

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 18:36:03 2021 No.12710223 File: 57 KB, 680x448, 1613431868948.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] which colony would have the worst shitposters?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 18:37:06 2021 No.12710230 >>12710223 Venus It's a hot prison planet

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 18:39:23 2021 No.12710236 >>12710230 So venus is pretty much just Australia?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 18:44:25 2021 No.12710254 >>12710236 Yes, It's there to mine gas for the Martian empire and get rid of shitstains

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 18:47:40 2021 No.12710264 >>12710223 Its the god damn neps its always been the neps

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 18:53:01 2021 No.12710283 >>12710254 Saturn is the real shitposters, beware the eternal ring

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 18:54:03 2021 No.12710289 >>12710254 True, perfect prison planet

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 18:55:07 2021 No.12710294
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Failed clone of Martin Sheen shits on SpaceX for 20 minutes while shilling for ULA.
>https://youtu.be/_AMg9JudChM
Some cool info from the video
>SN8-11 all are expendable prototypes designed to test liftoff and aerodynamics. Elon didn’t expect SN8 to go so well so SN12-14 were cancelled.
>SN8-14 we’re all designed to test ascent and whatnot. Landing was a secondary mission hence why their legs are so crappy.
>SN15 is the Block 2 of the starships. It’s actually designed to land as a primary goal.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 18:56:35 2021 No.12710300 File: 57 KB, 446x850, Untitled.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12710230 >Venusian prison planet Congrats, you just turned some random prisoners into the hardest cunts in the galaxy. No way that could ever backfire.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 18:57:39 2021 No.12710303 File: 87 KB, 1248x1186, Screen-Shot-2018-08-04-at-11.01.40-PM-min.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What do you guys think will be the outcome of pic related? Can they make it competitive?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 19:03:24 2021 No.12710316 >>12710223 Any colony made by Elon Musk

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 19:09:27 2021 No.12710328 >>12710294 >you tuber says “we” as if he has any relationship with spacex

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 19:12:49 2021 No.12710336 What would you consider a more direct successor to the Hubble Telescope; JWST or Roman?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 19:16:23 2021 No.12710345 >>12710316 So mars?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 19:23:23 2021 No.12710358 >>12710303 It might work if they bothered to actually work on it and test it

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 19:24:52 2021 No.12710363 >>12708014 >especially trying to get back >implying A manned mission to Mars is a one-way trip senpai, someone has to set up the colony there

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 19:27:18 2021 No.12710370 >>12710336 JWST for sure

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 19:28:21 2021 No.12710373 >>12710328 They all do that now its ridiculous

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 19:34:14 2021 No.12710385

>>12710336
It's difficult to say, because while Roman is more technologically similar to Hubble, JWST will probably have achievements much more similar to Hubble.

AFAIK there's nothing significant that Roman can do that Hubble couldn't already, but with 100x the field of view it'll be 100x more effective in studies that rely on sheer volume of data and luck.

JWST however is designed to push past the limits that Hubble hit with the research it was capable of. Like Hubble, it'll likely trigger a wave of new understanding of our universe.

So JWST is the spirtual successor of Hubble, but Roman is what'll push Hubble into a secondary role.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 19:37:28 2021 No.12710390 >>12710363 >A manned mission to Mars is a one-way trip senpai Kek, no it is not

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 19:48:19 2021 No.12710413 File: 229 KB, 1863x1116, ng-oct2018.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Anyone?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 19:54:45 2021 No.12710431 File: 426 KB, 1730x2000, 1613417526716.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Guys I'm so happy that we aren't paying for the SLS to stage gateway or send out the europa clipper. We just saved so much fucking money

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 19:54:49 2021 No.12710432

I reckon that a Mars colony would end up floundering for social reasons.

Say that it's a few decades in the future, and you plan to go into space for work, living, or tourism.
Here are your choices:
>Earth orbit: Quick and relatively cheap to reach, allows for telepresence with minimal lag, would have a very strong economy thus plenty of work opportunities
>Luna: Fairly expensive but fairly quick to reach, would have a strong economy due to being a sensible place to assemble and launch space infrastructure
>Mars: Extremely slow and expensive to reach, would have an extremely weak economy, would have extremely limited communication with Earth

Personally, I wouldn't set foot on Mars, and I doubt many people could stand to live there. It'd be incredibly isolating.
Imagine wintering over in Antarctica (something that few people do and is very draining on psyche and morale), except you're even more cut off from the outside world, and you have to live like that for even longer.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 19:57:02 2021 No.12710436 >>12710328 I'm team blue origin till I fucking die la

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 19:59:31 2021 No.12710444 >>12710432 It's basically siberia. Though that said. It'd develop it's own culture pretty quickly considering the difficulty of living there. And realistically the people there would be hardy workmen. 1 virtuous man is worth 10 degenerates

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 19:59:46 2021 No.12710446 File: 2.45 MB, 3840x2838, 1613352387194.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12710436 Thats depressing, at least be rocketlab

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 20:04:08 2021 No.12710460 >>12710432 >Personally, I wouldn't set foot on Mars Personally, i would, your argument is invalidated.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 20:05:06 2021 No.12710462 >>12710432 If wintering in Antarctica was a component of building a fresh sovereign nation state there then you would find near 100% of people would stay.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 20:05:06 2021 No.12710463 >>12710431 Is falcon heavy doing these, god I hope so, I want more falcon heavy launches

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 20:09:27 2021 No.12710479 >>12710462 anyone that goes, should also have a claim to 1000 acres. I'd die for that. Also exploration and speculation rights would be nice. When was the last time you could discover some shit? Nobody really knows what's beneath the Surface.

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 20:10:01 2021 No.12710482

>>12710432
Of course people would be signing up in droves when a Mars colony is a new, futuristic idea and there's few opportunities to get to space; but once the novelty wears off and getting into space is a very realistic goal, it'll simply be impossible for the draw to compete with near-Earth space where everything is far better.
Mars would probably just be a place for very devoted scientists to study the planet (plus assorted staff to manage the colony), and in that case it's very reliant on Mars continuing to be scientifically interesting for decades even when it can be studied with ease.
It could very well be that after just one decade, the only science left to do is geological surveys and long-term monitoring projects that don't benefit significantly from human presence. It is most likely just a lifeless rock after all, with very exposed features. After that point, who would stay?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 20:13:23 2021 No.12710497 >>12710482 If you don't understand why, you are ngmi.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 20:14:00 2021 No.12710499 >>12710431 Saving money doesn't exist for the government. It just means that NASA's budget will get slashed by that much and spent on welfare instead.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 20:14:46 2021 No.12710504 >>12710482 i would stay because fuck you

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 20:15:44 2021 No.12710508

>>12710432
>>Mars: Extremely slow and expensive to reach, would have an extremely weak economy, would have extremely limited communication with Earth
Its about the same as Europeans going to the new world. The difference with mars is how quickly elon wants to scale it up. There are always people willing to push the envelope and leave their past behind and its not like theyre stuck there for long. Hell you'll probably see internships and study abroad programs there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 20:15:56 2021 No.12710510 >>12710482 you have to appeal to the people who want to play the long game. You want to sell the rights to ownership of the entire planet.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 20:16:56 2021 No.12710514 >>12710463 They got the gateway contract already and it is implied that they'll get the clipper.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 20:32:07 2021 No.12710555 >>12710482 Asteroid mining will stage from mars anon

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 20:32:35 2021 No.12710557 >>12710413 >LNG first stage at least they didn't fall for the hydromeme

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 20:35:54 2021 No.12710564 >>12710482 Yeah you're right I guess, a whole planet to build a new civilisation from scratch on does sound pretty lame. Guess I'll just go back to urf, eat the bugs and holiday in an orbital hotel once a year.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 20:38:36 2021 No.12710569 >>12710514 Are these payloads going to be launched on board reusables? If not, there is no point on launching both missions with SpaceX unless the rocket size is the best fit in the market.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 20:39:52 2021 No.12710575 >>12709747 Didn't Super Heavy get taller since that image was made

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 20:45:31 2021 No.12710602 >>12710303 It needs better engines and an upper stage spaceplanes

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 20:56:11 2021 No.12710643 Its better to just live in space mining asteroids for H, O and C with precise centripedal gravity for manufacturing then live on a planet trying to suck water out of rocks. cant be self sufficient on a baren planet really.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 20:58:24 2021 No.12710650 >>12710569 I'd assume so

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 20:59:26 2021 No.12710654 >>12710575 Yes it did

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 21:02:19 2021 No.12710669
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>>12710643
>cant be self sufficient on a baren planet really.
You can and its easier to live with gravity than without it. Also mars is the perfect staging for asteroid mining operations

>>	Sage Mon Feb 15 21:09:04 2021 No.12710698 File: 201 KB, 966x1200, 1613418926620.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I want to see a reusable propulsive landing saturn 5

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 21:09:28 2021 No.12710700 >>12710413 so this will ultimately just act as a beefed up falcon 9 right? Only reusing the first stage and letting the second stage go straight to hell?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 21:15:03 2021 No.12710726 >>12710700 Yeah They could develop a reusable upper stage for it eventually

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 21:25:24 2021 No.12710758

>>12710669
So you rather cross 2 gravitational gradients/singularities then 1.

People legit think they can play farmville on mars.

Staying in space is cheaper to haul resources and advance further industry and know how.

Global trade started with merchant navies. My bet solar system will too.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 21:29:54 2021 No.12710766 >>12710758 You wouldn't ship stuff from earth to Mars just to send it off to the belt It's not feasible to farm the belt from earth directly either, so he's proposing that you should build the belter bullshit on Mars

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 21:34:20 2021 No.12710775

>>12710758
Do asteroid and orbitalfags ever get tired of misunderstanding logistics? Mars is a good staging location because it provides primary material access and easy lift off. No you aren't going to cross 2 gravitational gradients, you're going to send up the vast majority of your industrial equipment from Mars because doing it from Earth sucks.

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 21:35:48 2021 No.12710780

Can you guys give me the case for building out industry on mars vs in the belt some place. I personally favour mars as it's low gravity is not low enough to require special bs for mass manufacture of components, and you can put things in orbit much cheaper. Also material extraction maybe cheaper than moving around asteroids. Considering later movements and processing costs as well as infastructure costs

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 21:36:29 2021 No.12710785 >>12710758 >Cheaper to haul resources around using hugely energy intensive to produce chemical propellants compared to electric trucks hauling resources around Mars Ogey

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 21:38:03 2021 No.12710792 >>12710766 Think: oil rig in space, it probably cost less fuel and headache to cargo truck a shitton of stuff from belts + refuel to earth then dropping and relaunching on mars. you cant launch with raw ore either

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 21:39:19 2021 No.12710797 >>12710785 rrat

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 21:40:32 2021 No.12710802 File: 10 KB, 480x360, old_man_kek.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12710345 post yrw marslets are showing off their "muscles" again

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 21:40:52 2021 No.12710803 >>12710785 Comparing your redneck country roads to outer space. >pathetic

Sage Mon Feb 15 21:41:40 2021 No.12710804

>>12710780
Making your infrastructure on a planetary body is going to be easier, it also will end up being a transportation hub like a port city. It just gets frustratingly difficult to try to set everything up on asteroids when you have a planet with cities close enough to stage from.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 21:42:11 2021 No.12710805 >>12710792 It frustrates me that I can't even decipher this word salad to tell you how retarded it is. Is that how ESLs win arguments?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 21:43:23 2021 No.12710808 >>12710804 this is something we could do to the moon in 30 years unironically. Though 1/10g may make mars an even better candidate. Let's hope for life extension drugs. These are technically speaking 200++ year long projects.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 21:44:02 2021 No.12710809 >>12710792 Okay and where is the collection point of your operations? If you are talking about staging from a massive ship then you are retarded.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 21:45:05 2021 No.12710812 >>12710808 >Though 1/10g may make mars an even better candidate. It will and I think you underestimate starship and its competitors.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 21:47:29 2021 No.12710816 File: 504 KB, 1600x902, 1598891328734.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12709790 This rover has microphones. They've used pressure sensors to replicate the sounds but this is really the first time we will hear Mars.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 21:49:14 2021 No.12710821 >>12710803 Not an argument, there is no reasonable comparison to be made between a thousand+ tonnes of cryogenics and an electric truck or train.

>>	k Mon Feb 15 21:50:20 2021 No.12710823 >>12710809 You mean like the iss or similar. No wait lets notmass manufacture large modular spacestations that can be assembled together in 0g with proven track record and protocols Lets iNstead play IKEA on mars.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 21:52:03 2021 No.12710830 >>12710780 You can actually do ISRU on an appreciable scale.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 21:52:29 2021 No.12710831 brainlet here why do we have to build a new space station in lunar orbit? I thought aerodynamics don't matter in space, can't we just slap a rocket engine to the ISS and move it to lunar orbit?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 21:53:23 2021 No.12710833 >>12710831 It's big and we'd probably break it if we tried to move it in one piece. Also, we still want the ISS for other stuff, and the requirements for a lunar station are different.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 21:55:23 2021 No.12710839 >>12710831 >why do we have to build a new space station in lunar orbit? A senator needs to justify his obsolete rocket.

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 21:59:22 2021 No.12710850

>>12710833
I thought they want to decomission the ISS this decade or something.
And why would it break, it doesn't matter if flying to the moon takes like a year. It could use an ion drive and we only accelerate it with like 0.0something g. The stress on the individual parts should be small because there is no air resistance and the shape shouldn't really matter as long as the engine pushes at the center of mass.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:01:06 2021 No.12710855 Colonization only makes sense if their is shit on the other end you can directly use. Else your still gonna have to haul the spacestation equivelant but also now need to launch and land.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:02:18 2021 No.12710862 >>12710850 You could probably do that, but it would mean cucking the entire Euro space program and throwing away decades worth of investment for a platform that isn't even good compared to a purpose built one.

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:12:10 2021 No.12710878

>>12710831
ISS costs multiple billions every year just to keep functioning, in vleo. It would be impossible to keep in repair around the moon. Also iirc it operates in a much lower rad environment.
>>12710850
Fitting and ion drive on the thing capable of moving it in a useful timeframe would require outfitting it with enough new power and shit you might as well have put up a new station anyway.
Mind you none of this is actually intended as a defence of gateway as it's a malignant space tumor, but the ISS would be worse.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:15:21 2021 No.12710881 >>12710831 ISS is falling apart at the seams and not build with any level of significant acceleration greater than stationkeeping in mind.

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:17:04 2021 No.12710888
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>see girls with NASA stickers on their laptops and shit
>have already accepted that they know fuck-all about actual spaceflight and its processes, therefore not actual space-loving tomboys and thus not actually being worth the effort
I'm no suicidal faggot, but god damn can life be cruel sometimes.
>>12710881
What could be done to make the next orbital outpost not crumble? I have a suggestion:
>stainless steel

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:17:07 2021 No.12710889 >>12710878 It will cost similar or more on mars if you want to do it safely. Your gonna build a ISS either way. Up in 0g or down a planet

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:17:43 2021 No.12710891

>>12710878
>>12710862
I see.
The radiation issue is probably the biggest concern.
But doesn't the ISS currently require some form of engine aswell, because it needs to stay in LEO where there is still a little bit of drag.
So the only thing lacking is probably fuel capacity to get enough delta v. And you could even cheat that limit by in-flight refueling meeting up with rockets from earth.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:18:23 2021 No.12710895 >>12710889 First of all nothing in my post had anything to do with Mars you fucking neanderthal, second no one has to or should ever build anything like the ISS again because it's fucking garbage, shut the fuck up you mindless normie transplant

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:18:30 2021 No.12710897 >>12708228 refueling, be it from launched tankers or in-orbit depots, is a fucking cheat code

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:19:19 2021 No.12710899 File: 81 KB, 700x510, a49.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12710888 >I want a woman that is actually a 30 year old man with autism You are 100% a suicidal faggot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:19:21 2021 No.12710900 >>12710888 >What could be done to make the next orbital outpost not crumble? Reinforcement and permanent attachment of each module's superstructure together

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:19:29 2021 No.12710901 >>12709430 How well would that fare against the elements? Sandstorms and strong winds are fairly common, not to mention the unfiltered solar radiation. Won't those cause complications?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:21:18 2021 No.12710905 >>12710901 >Sandstorms >Sting winds Hi newfriend! My only knowledge about Mars comes from watching a Reddit tier movie too!

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:22:02 2021 No.12710912 >>12710905 Dust storms are a real issue though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:22:22 2021 No.12710914 File: 462 KB, 2560x1526, 1586860358187.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12710575 yeah

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:23:09 2021 No.12710915 >>12710912 No, they aren't.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:23:26 2021 No.12710916 >>12709510 I wonder if Vulcan makes it this year. Berger seemed to think "no" but it's making pretty good progress.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:23:49 2021 No.12710918 >>12708014 Danger is good. Pussies need not apply,

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:24:14 2021 No.12710919 >>12710895 i take neanderthal as a compliment actually. Ty. Any planet free space efficiency gets nullified by transport. Its like trying to suck a golfball through a straw. Something i reckon you are quite good at.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:24:22 2021 No.12710920 >>12710891 No upkeep is 100% the biggest issue. The ISS is on its last legs as it is. NASA literally does not have the funds it would require to maintain it on a higher orbit, let alone around the moon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:24:41 2021 No.12710923 >>12710823 Gtfo of here with that chink spacing. Also more like you keep your ore payload in mars orbit but the colony on mars is where your supplies, prefabs and equipment come from. Its also where your human services are going to be centralized

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:24:47 2021 No.12710925

>>12710901
The most vulnerable elements would be the heat exchangers and the turbines. everything else would be either martian concrete or heavily shielded by said concrete
The turbines would be dirt cheap to produce until more durable ones can be mass produced, not sandblasting the heat exchangers would be an issue

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:25:27 2021 No.12710927 >>12708955 They’re already here looking at us. No guarantee they have FTL but it’s conceivable.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:26:19 2021 No.12710930 >>12710919 Nothing you say even makes sense but keep reddit spacing, it helps mark the worst poster in the thread.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:26:32 2021 No.12710931 >>12708962 Perchlorates are a meme

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:27:32 2021 No.12710938 >>12710927 Is there proof they are here?

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:27:58 2021 No.12710939

>>12710839
>>12710878
>Mind you none of this is actually intended as a defence of gateway as it's a malignant space tumor, but the ISS would be worse.
I wouldn't mind a modernized ISS clone around the moon if it wasn't NASA's main project. Imagine they reduce a bit of defence or welfare spending and 10x the national Spaceflight budget. Then they could build two or three of them and still have enough money for other cool stuff.
And the current like 20Billion are nothing compared to overall federal budget, they could easily 5-10x it without it making a huge impact on the economy or overall federal spending.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:28:55 2021 No.12710943 >>12710915 https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/the-fact-and-fiction-of-martian-dust-storms They throw up a ton of dust which could choke intake systems.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:28:58 2021 No.12710944 >>12709925 Solar is shit here and even shitter there

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:31:04 2021 No.12710947 >>12710175 Is life spreading supposed to be bad??? Anti-lifers should suicide

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:31:56 2021 No.12710951 >>12710943 Martian dust storms cause a fine layer of dust that covers everything, that's it. Panels can be blown clean easily, anything meant to take in air just needs to be prefiltered (no different than on earth really), etc.

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:32:45 2021 No.12710954

>>12710920
And how the f are they planning to maintain gateway? Isn't the main cost of the ISS the constantly required resupply missions to sustain habitability and spare parts to repair stuff?
Why would Gateway suddenly need less resupply missions? And we haven't even talked about the Moon ground base yet.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:34:11 2021 No.12710959 >>12710938 Not aliens per se, but entities utilizing technology outside of conventional physics. In principle I guess it could be some deep government black shit or Nazis from the center of the earth

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:34:47 2021 No.12710962 >>12710951 in outer space simple shit become difficult. Like blowing your abundant imaginary aerosol.

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:35:37 2021 No.12710965

>>12710888
Expando-habs for more volume, they're flexible and much more durable, steel spar tent pole internal skeletons to give them strength and rigidity after they're inflated. We also need a much stronger more permanent docking solution, perhaps in addition to the docking collars more spars along the outer edge of the hab that can be joined together so they're thoroughly fused.
Attached enough to ensure it won't fall apart, but still able to be disassembled if necessary.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:35:45 2021 No.12710967 >>12710951 >anything meant to take in air just needs to be prefiltered So you're going to be constantly changing filters on massive air intakes. It's doable, but it's not without its own challenges.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:36:30 2021 No.12710969 >>12710959 Very schizo, but interesting nonetheless

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:36:59 2021 No.12710970 >>12710962 Just use compressed CO2, you don't need much at all, even at a quarter bar of pressure a stiff blast from a CO2 line will be twenty times more powerful than any wind on Mars since it lost it's magnetosphere.

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:38:40 2021 No.12710973

>>12710962
>>12710967
What is with the midwit pack out to overcomplicate every simple problem? Air can be compressed, dust storms aren't actually that frequent, the drones you see covered in dust have been on the surface for years and the layer isn't actually very thick.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:38:45 2021 No.12710974 >>12710962 We need to extract fucktons of pressurized/liquid CO2 for rocket fuel from the atmosphere anyways. Just fill some of it up in a canned duster and you're good.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:42:28 2021 No.12710985 >>12710973 Because it could be a pretty big problem if one of those massive planet wide dust storms happens and the air filters choke on the one reactor keeping the colony alive.

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:42:29 2021 No.12710986

>>12710969
Supposedly them annoying the US Navy is becoming a bit of a banality.

"part of a larger issue of an increased number of training range incursions by unidentified aerial phenomena in recent years."-Some Pentagon Spokesperson

Goddamn ayy lmaos

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:42:49 2021 No.12710989 starlink is live baby >>12706453

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:43:31 2021 No.12710991 Solar is dogshit go fission or go home

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:44:11 2021 No.12710993 >>12710985 >and the air filters choke on the one reactor keeping the colony alive Good thing Elon is all in on solar then isn't it? Even in the worst dust storm you turn off the Sabatier plant and have plenty of power for life support.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:46:58 2021 No.12711007 >>12710993 Luckily i only need the sun for sustenance.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:51:12 2021 No.12711027 >>12710985 You're still not understanding how diffuse these 'storms' are. Coverage for months long storms is in the micrometer range.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:54:18 2021 No.12711041 File: 46 KB, 280x275, BIDEN_POG.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] More rich people going to space

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:54:46 2021 No.12711043 Does mars have wifi?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:54:53 2021 No.12711044 >>12710986 >Pentagon Spokesperson The USG is literally the least reliable source of information on the planet. This is the one entity on earth I would expect to perpetrate elaborate ayy hoaxes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:56:27 2021 No.12711052 >>12709503 I thought Yenisei got cancelled, and Vodka 9 was delayed to 2028

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:57:03 2021 No.12711055 >>12710993 Dust storms cover solar panels too. It's not a show stopper, but it might be a reason to use molten salt or something.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:57:17 2021 No.12711056 File: 15 KB, 669x651, laughing pepe.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12711052 >Vodka 9

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:58:11 2021 No.12711063 >>12711055 Bitches don't know about my methane fuel cell backups

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:59:26 2021 No.12711065 File: 1.27 MB, 480x269, 1479596883539.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12711041 Cursed image.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:59:35 2021 No.12711067 >>12711041 It’s like it costs money to go to space or something

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:59:37 2021 No.12711068 >>12711055 Dude those rovers have been on the surface for fucking years and only have a fine coating. Again, compressed atmosphere blows dust off the panels, wow so hard.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 22:59:46 2021 No.12711072 GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:03:54 2021 No.12711093

>>12711055
You could easily have the solar panels close like venus flytrap leaves when meteorological sensors detect sust storms ahead. Of course, solar power should only really be used for the beginning stretch, as nuclear is the prime option when large scale construction begins.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:08:48 2021 No.12711135 SEAGULL CURSE

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:08:53 2021 No.12711136 BOOSTER BLEW UP >BOOSTER BLEW UP BOOSTER BLEW UP >BOOSTER BLEW UP BOOSTER BLEW UP >BOOSTER BLEW UP

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:09:31 2021 No.12711143 >>12711093 You guys must be fucking larping. Cant evn get your own tendies without earth bitch.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:09:44 2021 No.12711149 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:09:47 2021 No.12711151 Rip first stage I saw what looked like a jet coming off of the merlins after it was supposed to be engine cutoff. Thought it might be RCS but after this I suspect maybe engine failure.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:09:53 2021 No.12711153 AHAHAHA SPACEX DOESNT KNOW HOW TO LAND A FALCON 9 AND PEOPLE THINK SN10 WILL WORK AAAAAAAAAAAHHHAAHAHAHAHAHA

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:10:55 2021 No.12711164 Unironically my faith in Starship just went way way down

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:11:15 2021 No.12711166 File: 304 KB, 1280x720, 105DF04B-2D9B-4B0C-B5F5-754EF542502A.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12708003 Rip B1049. You did a good job now you must rest.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:11:56 2021 No.12711173 >Losing a booster is more surprising then a landing Weird kind of feeling.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:12:10 2021 No.12711177 >>12710918 Not my point

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:12:16 2021 No.12711178 FALCON DEFEATED BY SEAGULLS

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:12:27 2021 No.12711180 they diverted the booster to save those 3 seagulls on the deck. dont ask how i know, i shouldnt even be posting this here

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:12:34 2021 No.12711181 >>12711153 >>12711164 >falcon booster misses on sixth reflight >RIP SN10 you people don't make any sense

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:12:41 2021 No.12711182 Bro just retropropulsively land a hundred people on another planet lmao.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:14:01 2021 No.12711189 >>12711181 >you cant compare apples to oranges oh yes you fucking can bitch

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:14:12 2021 No.12711191 File: 243 KB, 680x709, Yes.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12711182

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:14:12 2021 No.12711192 File: 29 KB, 665x574, akko_retaard.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12711181 Humans are simple, irrational creatures. We look for patterns everywhere, even if it doesn't make sense.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:14:22 2021 No.12711195 >>12711182 There's no seagulls on mars

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:14:34 2021 No.12711196 File: 29 KB, 371x826, images (7).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Ohoho, you're approaching me?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:14:54 2021 No.12711197 >>12711067 >imagine Jeff's ex buying four seats on Crew Dragon for some random niggas just to piss him off

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:15:25 2021 No.12711200 >>12711182 Elon did say many people will die and crashes should be expected.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:20:55 2021 No.12711224 File: 192 KB, 630x477, wrong burn.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Was this the glow of an explosion or an off-course burn? Upper right corner. I wonder what happened

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:21:12 2021 No.12711225 So who are we going to blame for this one? Jews? Seagulls? FAA? Miguel in assembly bay two?

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:22:24 2021 No.12711231

>>12711151
i suspect they were trying to push the reentry profiles with this one due to the brighter than usual plasma/ablated material coming from the heat shield after the reentry burn. Maybe the heat shield got so damaged that the engines were fucked up and wasn't able to divert to the droneship for landing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:22:36 2021 No.12711232 File: 124 KB, 934x599, NOAA.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12711196 >>12711225

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:23:00 2021 No.12711234 >>12711224 I think it failed during the entry burn. Telemetry stopped at 1.5 km/s and 21 km up

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:24:14 2021 No.12711239 File: 8 KB, 302x167, Wake me up.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12711225 >>12711232 >NOAA is controlled by the Eternal Seagull

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:26:48 2021 No.12711249 >Jeff Blue thinks he can easily do this, on a boat, with people on it lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:27:39 2021 No.12711252 >>12711224 That's an off-course burn. Seen it before. >>12711232 The plot thickens.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:28:26 2021 No.12711256 >>12711224 I think it's designed to ditch when something is off

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:29:45 2021 No.12711260 >>12711256 correct, more important for RTLS

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:30:14 2021 No.12711262 >>12711249 Defo would not want to be on that boat.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:30:22 2021 No.12711263 File: 46 KB, 960x959, 4434343.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Blocks your path

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:31:02 2021 No.12711266

>>12711224
probably not off course. It's programmed to do a soft water landing if it doesn't think it can stick the drone ship landing because it's better to fish the booster out of the ocean and potentially recover some engines and parts than to have to build a new booster AND new drone ship.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:31:38 2021 No.12711270 >>12710989 Even with the ice?

Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:32:17 2021 No.12711273

Hmm it looks like the grid fins locked up, I wonder if that could have fucked it up and sent them in a steep reentry. There was definitely a ton of plasma between the entry burn and landing burn time. Could that have been atmospheric heating? Or is it possible that one of the engines got stuck burning and couldn't shut down?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:33:11 2021 No.12711279 >>12711266 I wonder how expensive it'd be to recover from a booster landing as badly as possible on a drone ship?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:40:17 2021 No.12711308 File: 68 KB, 1200x627, 1596848756910.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] F

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:43:36 2021 No.12711318 >>12711195 Proof?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:46:17 2021 No.12711323 >>12710899 >I want a woman that is actually a 30 year old man with autism Pretty much yeah?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:46:38 2021 No.12711326 >>12711195 We will find out the truth on Thursday.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:51:31 2021 No.12711341 >>12711323 can we just get proper cellular rebuild sex transitions instead of this dumb tranny shit already bros?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 15 23:53:49 2021 No.12711349 >>12711341 Fuck off tranny

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 00:16:02 2021 No.12711389 File: 1.47 MB, 320x240, Elon Tweet.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] New tweet from Elon

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 00:17:32 2021 No.12711395 >>12711389 >spacex quality control maybe the should leave space to companies that actually know what they are doing

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 00:19:24 2021 No.12711398 >>12711389 NO WAY

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 00:20:14 2021 No.12711399 File: 93 KB, 1200x644, 1598054458463.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] actual tweet

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 00:20:29 2021 No.12711400 >>12711389 haha holy shit spacex is finished

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 00:22:50 2021 No.12711404 >>12711389 WTF I JUST GOT RICKROLLED

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 00:23:22 2021 No.12711406 I’ll kill myself if people use fucking dogecoin as the standard currency on Mars

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 00:24:43 2021 No.12711408 >>12711406 >he didn't spend $10 to become a martian trillionaire

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 00:33:46 2021 No.12711431 >>12711389 The seagull that survived posted this

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 00:50:15 2021 No.12711462 What physical differences are there between a rocket booster intended for reuse and an expendable one?

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 00:59:23 2021 No.12711477

haha time for autism.

So I compared this flight's 1st stage telemetry to last starlink flight's telemetry. Relative to liftoff Starlink 19's entry burn occurred 1 second later.

Starlink 18 entry burn telemetry:
>entry burn: 8043 km/h 54.3 km
>+10s: 6948 km/h 44.4 km
>+20s: 5752 km/h 36.1 km
>+35s: 5388 km/h 23.9 km

Starlink 19
>entry burn: 8025 km/h 54.0 km
>+10s: 6908 km/h 43.9 km
>+20s: 5892 km/h 35.1 km
>+35s: 5322 km/h 21.9 km

Only discrepancies I notice is that 19 is moving ~140km faster at +20s relative to its entry burn, though it slows down after. It's difficult to tell when its burn shuts down because of the fireworks afterwards.Other than that Starlink 19 seems lower than 18 at equivalent times. 0.5 km at entry burn start and 2 km 35s afterwards.

Links if anyone else wants to check:
https://youtu.be/fe6HBw1y6bA?t=1222
https://youtu.be/L0dkyV09Zso?t=1584

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 01:07:06 2021 No.12711490

>>12711477
Thanks anon very cool. I'm wondering if we need to take into account the fact that all of these launches are going to different orbits and planes, so things will all be a bit different. I'm sure the folks over on the NSF forums are busy gathering data and correcting for these factors. I would love to see a graph of nominal starlink launches vs. Starlink 19. It would certainly help diagnose the problem before Elon shares the official news

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 01:12:15 2021 No.12711497 >>12711477 Aren’t Starlink launches very taxing on the Falcon 9? I think they’re pretty much the maximum payload that can be launched by them while also landing the booster.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 01:16:43 2021 No.12711510 File: 108 KB, 1770x874, 1608158100245.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12711490 looks like they had the same idea. I wonder what exactly that "extra" burn was

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 01:17:50 2021 No.12711515 Martian concrete arcologies are the best form of habitation Mark my words

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 01:18:17 2021 No.12711517
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>>12711497
Yes, and as of last starlink launch they've become even more taxing: https://old.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/ldkz7c/starlink18_first_stage_telemetry_and_analysis/

they've been testing their luck lately in seeing how far they can push the F9. They may have just found their wall.

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 01:22:07 2021 No.12711524

>>12711517
Is it a dynamic pressure problem? Could this account for the plasma we saw between the reentry burn and planned landing burn? I would hope it's a dynamic pressure problem because that would mean a) this loss of booster was more "expected" compared to something like an engine fucking, and b) starship would be fine considering this outcome because it's way bigger and thicker
I guess what I'm trying to get at is that I want the problem to be wind/pressure related because F9 is a skinny pencil, and not "oh no our rocket fucked itself up and we will need to ground the whole fleet for a while and this also has ramifications for Starship propulsive landings"

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 01:23:44 2021 No.12711527 >>12711524 >engine fucking meant to say engine fucking exploding, lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 01:30:29 2021 No.12711548 >>12711524 it's probably reentry, yeah. This is not an easy regime

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 01:30:52 2021 No.12711551 File: 69 KB, 500x500, funny-otter-pose-fascinating.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12711515 >arcologies

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 01:34:18 2021 No.12711558 martian homesteads are the only way to live on mars

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 01:40:43 2021 No.12711577 >>12711558 What does that even mean?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 01:42:17 2021 No.12711584 >>12711515 If you're doing an arcology sized hab without exterior windows, just seal off a lava tube and put some auto turrets on the surface to shoot anyone who gets too close to the ceiling. Martian lava tubes can be hundreds of meters in diameter.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 01:43:09 2021 No.12711586 >>12711577 just you and your dog and a cozy aluminum fire in the hearth in your 1bar pure o2 habitat tent

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 01:50:02 2021 No.12711602 File: 51 KB, 491x585, 1611654093573.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12711586 >1bar pure O2 Anon...

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 01:51:21 2021 No.12711605
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>>12711517
It’s reminds me of the STP-2 Falcon Heavy Center Core. Basically originally SpaceX planned to expend it but then they said “well maaaaaybeeeeee” we can land it, so they went for a landing and the thing got charcoaled during descent.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 01:53:07 2021 No.12711610 File: 2.27 MB, 300x332, worry.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12711586 >fire >tent >pure O2

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 01:55:05 2021 No.12711613 >>12711586 Hey honey, let me just flip this light switch on real qui-

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 01:56:18 2021 No.12711618 File: 29 KB, 450x286, F7A6153B-EACD-40FF-A02E-18FAB7D5EEF6.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12711586 >Amen

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 02:05:12 2021 No.12711646 >>12711586 >Here, Sparky!

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 02:08:16 2021 No.12711656 >>12711462 Landing legs, grid fins, radars, heat shields.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 02:55:39 2021 No.12711762 File: 95 KB, 698x1000, anime.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] F9-chan saw the birds and didn't have the heart to vaporize them, rip in pieces

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 02:59:09 2021 No.12711769 File: 92 KB, 1125x751, 9555F4EC-F4BB-453E-B21D-AF0674753310.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12708003 >Wtf...SSTObros...we got too cocky Seriously though is it because Starship is 120 tons dry now instead of 85 when it was carbon fiber

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 03:05:25 2021 No.12711777 >>12711769 Just find a delta/v calculator dude, and note that the delta/v to orbit earth is 9.4-9.7k

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 03:11:49 2021 No.12711789 File: 96 KB, 840x700, 1384222256699.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12711618 >that scene in Apollo 13 where Lovell's kid asks him if he knew the astronauts who died in the fire >slight pause before answering yeah he knew em all

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 03:16:35 2021 No.12711798 File: 566 KB, 733x764, SSTO-mcdonalddouglas.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12711769 goddamn musk ruining my ssto dreams

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 03:17:33 2021 No.12711803 >>12711798 >420 retweets 69 quote tweets You think this is real? Lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 03:18:33 2021 No.12711807 File: 423 KB, 315x258, aerospike-startup.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12711769 also ....vroom >>12711803 haha didn't even notice ;)

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 03:38:53 2021 No.12711838 >>12711462 One goes up, other goes up and down.

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 03:56:26 2021 No.12711857
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Do you think this is an outlandish claim /sfg/?? Seems to me like a lot of news sites really don't believe Starlink can turn that sort of profit or even really be fully functioning at all.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 04:02:45 2021 No.12711864 >>12711857 >professional bloggers >BIG NUMBER ME NO UNDERSTAND Musk has definite incentives to fluff the numbers, but a globe-spanning communications network is not small-fry stuff.

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 04:09:59 2021 No.12711877

>>12711857
30b dollars net income would be 300m customers, a large number to be sure but well achieveable within a decade or so. Doesn't seem unreasonable at all, if he complies with local cuckoldry to provide service in China, Russia, India, etc... Then I would say that's a pretty lowball estimate even.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 04:15:17 2021 No.12711886 >>12711877 How are chinese and indian rice farmers going to afford $100/month for internet?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 04:27:57 2021 No.12711908 so where's the usenet group for the thread, guys

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 04:32:29 2021 No.12711916 >>12708014 Men wanted for hazardous journey. Low wages, bitter cold, long hours of complete darkness. Safe return doubtful. Honour and recognition in event of success.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 04:33:06 2021 No.12711919 >>12711908 It’s pinned on our discord

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 04:41:41 2021 No.12711934 >>12711857 musk will be a trillionaire by 2025, screencap this

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 04:42:00 2021 No.12711935 File: 85 KB, 710x600, _3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12711857 >Motley Fool is bearish Strong contrarian bullish indicator

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 04:44:12 2021 No.12711938 >>12711916 I'm not fucking talking about the people volunteering for the mission you dumb faggots

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 04:53:56 2021 No.12711952

>>12710985
that's a preventable issue at worst, more likely a total non-issue
the thing with dust storms is that they block out the sun so your solar arrays are going to drop down to like 1% efficiency or so, which means you need to halt your ice mining and propellant production processes, which can be damaged by the shutdown
even at 1% off of your solar panels you'll still have more than enough for life support and grow-ops

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 05:10:12 2021 No.12711979 resetting the calendar to 1957 aka Sputnik 1 when?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 05:10:58 2021 No.12711982 >>12711857 Keep spreading this. I need to get in as cheap as possible.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 05:22:15 2021 No.12711989 >>12711857 I think it'll be a 50 bill a year when its fully matured

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 05:24:20 2021 No.12711990 >>12711886 Its not going to be 100 a month for long. Also there are wealthy people in all countries

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 05:39:39 2021 No.12712024 File: 867 KB, 3951x3419, 1613235425259.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I just want to see sn10 land

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 05:40:08 2021 No.12712026 >>12712024 Sorry kid but space flight is cancelled for being too white

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 05:41:04 2021 No.12712028 >>12712026 reused falcon boosters are black checkmate

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 05:46:00 2021 No.12712038 >>12712028 Its just blackface anon. Its racist

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 06:24:43 2021 No.12712094 remember kids: the bureaucracy saying "no, you can't do that" risks no bureaucrat's job the bureaucracy saying, "yes, go ahead" absolutely risks some people's jobs

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 06:27:44 2021 No.12712096 >>12712094 >bureaucrats >people no

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 06:47:57 2021 No.12712116

>>12711886
Shit like this gets different pricing for different regions. Anyhow you don't want a whole bunch next to each other, it'll probably end up with no more than one dish per dirt village. They really don't need 100Mbit anyhow, cell towers will probably be more than enough for the barefoots for at least another decade.
>>12711919
And the Discord link is on the pastebin.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 06:50:51 2021 No.12712120 >>12712116 I assume the pastebin is in the IRC channel topic?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 06:55:28 2021 No.12712129 :) mars

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 07:10:32 2021 No.12712144 File: 177 KB, 1920x1080, 1601140377715.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12711807

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 07:16:56 2021 No.12712154 >>12709056 Who is the fucker and why does /space/ hate him so much?

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 07:22:35 2021 No.12712159

>>12712154
that is Senator Richard Shelby
have a few news articles
https://spacenews.com/richard-shelby-senator-with-major-influence-over-nasa-to-retire/
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/296094-nasas-space-launch-system-may-have-set-back-orbital-refueling-by-a-decade
https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/07/nasa-agrees-to-work-with-spacex-on-orbital-refueling-technology/
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1156289239119802369?s=20
https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/08/nasa-chief-alienates-senators-needed-to-fund-the-moon-program/

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 07:23:37 2021 No.12712162 File: 55 KB, 960x480, a5df5911dcc4ae4c5ed21a8ba63657cb.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12712159 I'm going to need you to hand in your resignation

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 07:26:37 2021 No.12712167 >>12712129 ye :)

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 08:00:31 2021 No.12712223 >>12711857 >Do the math >just don't add up. Oy vey!

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 08:03:59 2021 No.12712224 >>12712094 What the fuck happened to people being allowed to do what they wanted unless it was explicitly banned? Why is it now that you can't do something unless it's explicitly permitted?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 08:05:03 2021 No.12712226 >>12712224 it's time to purge the government

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 08:31:48 2021 No.12712270 Why the fuck are liberals so extremely pessimistic and even misanthropic? It's delusional and confusing. Colonization of other worlds is on the horizon, and HDI keeps climbing almost everywhere.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 08:37:29 2021 No.12712287 Who else is unironically jumping ship to Bezos if SS crashes a third time? I’ve had enough of Musk’s bullshit

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 08:39:31 2021 No.12712295 >>12712287 I have zero monetary involvement with either, I will simply watch both I don't think it's possible to liquidate your assets in a private company in an efficient manner

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 08:39:36 2021 No.12712296 File: 763 KB, 1125x1536, bo new sherpherd crash.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12712287 Good luck jumping to a ship that isn't in water.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 08:43:11 2021 No.12712314 >>12709003 Did Hitler draw this picture or what? The perspective is all fucked up.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 08:45:50 2021 No.12712323 >>12712287 >0-2 starship landings >Falcon 9 just ate shit despite being ‘human rated safe’ It’s fucking over Maybe this’ll convince to Elon to stop fucking around with crypto and do some actual work

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 08:46:43 2021 No.12712326 >>12711857 hint: starlink is not about individual internet access

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 08:48:43 2021 No.12712332 >>12712287 New Glenn will never land

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 08:51:12 2021 No.12712340

>>12712270
Because they don't want progress. They need things to complain about. If we made the world a good place then they'd be forced to acknowledge that they aren't anything special and that they're just like any other person. Having things to whine about is their purpose in life; it makes them feel like they're rebelling against the evil world, fighting for something, and most of all giving their life meaning. That's the only thing they ever have done, ever do, or ever will do. It's why they have such a visceral reaction towards people like Musk. He's actually solving problems. People like him threaten to take all meaning from their lives, so they can't do anything but go against it. Obviously they can't just accept moving on to something else. They've already dug themselves in too deep. It's just simple sunk cost fallacy. They're also encouraged to continue being like this by people in power. Those in power stand only to lose by further progress and technology because it equalizes the playing field. They're control freaks. The very idea of not being at the top is a threat and terror to them in an existential way.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 08:56:18 2021 No.12712358 >>12711769 that isn't a real tweet

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 09:04:24 2021 No.12712374 >>12712314 >OTRAG haha no hitler died :))))

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 09:06:44 2021 No.12712378 >>12712374 pic or didn't happen

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 09:13:22 2021 No.12712399 >>12712378 lol there is no way he could have been involved in OTRAG it was confirmed he died :)))

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 09:46:06 2021 No.12712472

>>12711877
>300m customers
Oh no, that's only less than 4% of the earths population, how will Musk ever do it? Its simply not possible! It doesn't add up! Click my ads! Subscribe to my news letter! Check out my patreon! Turn on notifications! I'm a fan of Musk!
I fucking hate the internet.

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 09:49:24 2021 No.12712483

>>12712472
it's not even 300m—more than half of the income would come from B2B contracts for high frequency traders, Google Cloud backend services, government contracts and military contracts. Direct to consumer is almost a waste of time considering how huge a global, low-latency network would be for businesses.

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 09:49:38 2021 No.12712485

>>12712224
>What the fuck happened to people being allowed to do what they wanted unless it was explicitly banned?
I think it happened when common sense went out the window. It's easier to tell someone "you can do this" in stead of "no you cannot do that, that, that, or that, certainly not that, not that either."
When people are allowed to sue companies for stupid shit, when common sense could have prevented an accident, the list of "CAN DO" became much shorter than "CANNOT DO"

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 09:51:21 2021 No.12712488 >>12712287 >Who else is unironically jumping ship to Bezos if SS crashes a third time? Can't crash if you don't launch anything, right? >>12712323 >Falcon 9 just ate shit despite being ‘human rated safe’ Human rated to launch, not landing, retard.

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 10:02:47 2021 No.12712514
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Here's a really good lecture by Tom Mueller from 2017:

https://youtu.be/Uu9sobNjPFY

If the fucking airplane taking off in the background is too much to tolerate, here's a transcript of the whole lecture:

https://zlsadesign.com/post/tom-mueller-interview-2017-05-02-transcription/

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 10:06:16 2021 No.12712526

>>12712287
> Boo hoo, my fantasies of a glorious neo-nazi space empire kicked off by an infallible visionary can't hold up under the weight of realistic trial and error led by a man who's stated ideals put his slightly right of center
> If I can't have my dream then I'll go cheer for the other team. *homosexual flouncing*

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 10:54:55 2021 No.12712607 >>12712287 >>12712323 dipshittery

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 11:14:32 2021 No.12712644 File: 208 KB, 323x500, 140382-8f7320ac90f15be4499621b3f6e3c0bb.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Can I get more info on the Jupiter III concept? It's hard to come by.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 11:14:33 2021 No.12712645 File: 37 KB, 600x436, 52854991-623F-4428-8D2D-7A86985ACC3D.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12708003 So how would one go about making glass ISRU on Mars? How about the moon? Big glass panels on colonies are kino.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 11:15:34 2021 No.12712646 File: 153 KB, 500x376, 140388-68dbfd7c8880d32b93a0165dcf3d1e1a.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12712644

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 11:16:27 2021 No.12712650 >>12712644 what the FUCK is this

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 11:16:38 2021 No.12712651 >>12712646 >>12712644 Does it have anything in common with DIRECT or does it just use the Jupiter name?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 11:18:27 2021 No.12712654 >>12712650 An oldspace abomination.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 11:18:28 2021 No.12712655 >>12712645 >total cost per Mars trip >$43 Wow! But also why does it only have twelve lifetime launches?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 11:20:17 2021 No.12712658 >>12712655 We’ll figure a round trip Mars mission is about 3 years or so. A ship going to Mars and back would be almost 40 years old after 12 trips

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 11:21:50 2021 No.12712659 >>12712658 Fuck. Didn't even think about that. It won't even take that long for it to become obsolete.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 11:21:51 2021 No.12712660 >>12712644 https://web.archive.org/web/20160331112557/http://www.teamvisioninc.com/downloads/AIAA-2006-7517-146.pdf

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 11:22:39 2021 No.12712662 File: 44 KB, 400x400, 4392429903404.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] don't tell anyone I was here, but the NOAA death squads were responsible for the booster failure

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 11:22:56 2021 No.12712664 File: 31 KB, 215x558, s.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] presented without coment

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 11:42:49 2021 No.12712713 >>12712664 what is it? Just an F9 in a configuration that it would never actually fly in?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 11:47:23 2021 No.12712723 >>12712664 >Newer Shepard

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 11:48:08 2021 No.12712728

>>12712645
To make glass with useful strength you'll need to incorporate plastics which is a whole other mess. ALON is strictly superior and the ingredients are plentiful on Mars, the Moon has no nitrogen though so have fun with your coke bottles I guess

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 11:51:07 2021 No.12712731 >>12712664 >Dragon never stages so you can ride falcon 9 the to space and back

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 11:54:30 2021 No.12712741 >>12712731 >mounted as falcon heavy side booster

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 11:56:12 2021 No.12712748 >>12712741 >MANUALLY PILOTED LANDING FALCONS

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 11:59:47 2021 No.12712763 >>12712644 2 (two) orange tanks

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 12:13:40 2021 No.12712805 File: 274 KB, 608x608, 1605340625846.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12712741

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 12:14:17 2021 No.12712807 File: 268 KB, 517x387, TWO CHAOS WARRIORS.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12712763 TWO ORANGE TANKS?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 12:15:38 2021 No.12712810 >>12711406 >>12711408 I have $1000 in Dogecoin. What should I name my Starship?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 12:16:20 2021 No.12712812 >>12712810 Celest Invicta

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 12:16:57 2021 No.12712813 >>12712810 Big Digger Nick

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 12:22:16 2021 No.12712826 >>12712807 imagine the . . . . . foam strikes

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 12:27:52 2021 No.12712841 is boca chica without power as well?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 12:31:50 2021 No.12712848 >>12712644 judging by the rate of tank production on SLS, this would fly Q3 2040

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 12:31:51 2021 No.12712849 >>12712810 The Intoxicating Aroma of Elon's Musk

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 12:32:43 2021 No.12712854 >>12712849 betting on Musk has yet to really fail

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 12:32:53 2021 No.12712856 >>12712810 The White Man's Burden Especially if it's a colony ship

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 12:35:10 2021 No.12712859 >>12710792 >IESLB I cachinnate in confusion.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 12:39:40 2021 No.12712876 >>12710223 >post from jovian moon >by the time the multi hour long time delay reaches the server the tread is already gone >every time

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 12:51:12 2021 No.12712899 >>12712856 >>12712807 Why are conservatives so obsessed with what liberals think?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 12:52:18 2021 No.12712902 >Solar-powered Dogecoin mining facility on the Moon

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 12:53:19 2021 No.12712907 >>12712810 USSV Shelby

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 13:20:15 2021 No.12712977 >>12711886 A village can easily afford 100$ a month for internet they’ve never had before... Not sure if there are actually many villages left without internet in china though

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 13:28:34 2021 No.12712991 File: 2.67 MB, 5761x2829, Mars_landings.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-M1Jb7FlSg Anyone watching this?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 13:33:37 2021 No.12713006 >>12712899 Because "reality has a liberal bias", I'd imagine.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 13:37:17 2021 No.12713011 >>12712899 because they're in charge of the country now

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 13:47:29 2021 No.12713034 >>12712991 >Rosalind Franklin Are they still making this? It's been 20 years, shit or get off the pot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 13:51:56 2021 No.12713049 >>12708003 Why isn’t there much “interplanetary” Sci fi? Why did the expanse use wormholes? Anyhow I enjoyed Ad Astra even if it was really stupid at times.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 13:52:54 2021 No.12713055 >>12712902 mercury*

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 13:53:24 2021 No.12713059 File: 255 KB, 1440x1440, 1579115516274.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12713049 >I enjoyed Ad Astra

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 13:56:41 2021 No.12713072

>>12713059
That scene where he’s underwater on Mars was kino. Anyhow I wish we had more Sci fi that was in the 2060s to 2070s timeframe. Interplanetary travel but not Epstein drives. Colonies on the moon and Mars but with less than a million people. Outer solar system is still an untamed wasteland. That’s why I liked Ad Astra’s setting desu

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 14:00:24 2021 No.12713085

>>12713072
i've never been so angry at a scifi film ever. idkw but i hated it. actually i do know why but listing it would give me a stroke thats how bad that fucking movie was. every copy, everyone involved with it and everyone whos ever seen it (including myself) should be shot into the sun.

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 14:01:23 2021 No.12713089

>>12710831
>can't we just slap a rocket engine to the ISS and move it to lunar orbit?
No. ISS is designed to operate in LEO, conditions outside LEO differ drastically (radiation, illumination cycles) in ways that would degrade the usefulness and integrity of the ISS. ISS is not designed for the sort of sustained acceleration necessary, and it is big enough to make the cost of attempting (launches to get the vast quantities of fuel needed) prohibitive. ISS is an international collaboration, and there's no way anyone else would approve of such an operation. Most rockets used for supply operations do not have the TLI (or even GTO) payload needed to keep it in supply, meaning logistics would have to be completely reworked.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 14:01:54 2021 No.12713091 just watch interstellar

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 14:02:56 2021 No.12713098 >>12710831 based and seveneves pilled

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 14:03:14 2021 No.12713102 >>12712841 LabPadre is down, so probably

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 14:03:19 2021 No.12713103 >>12713091 Great movie. I don’t know why /tv/ shits on it so much >>12713085 >Still using expendable rockets >Dude moon pirates!

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 14:03:51 2021 No.12713104
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>>12711769
fake tweets aside he has commented on SSTOs before.

He's also said that starship COULD do it but it would demand no payload, thus making it completely pointless.
>Seriously though is it because Starship is 120 tons dry now instead of 85 when it was carbon fiber
Elon has stated that the steel construction will be overall lighter than CF because you need less TPS etc.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 14:07:34 2021 No.12713110 >>12713104 Man carbon fiber seems like it was such a mistake looking back. Imagine if they started on steel earlier.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 14:13:23 2021 No.12713140 yeah I'm thinking it's new thread time >>12713139 >>12713139 >>12713139 >>12713139

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 14:31:04 2021 No.12713212 >>12713085 >should be shot into the sun. fucking waste of delta v.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 14:33:43 2021 No.12713221 >>12713049 The Expanse had perfectly good worldbuilding to NOT need magic alien memes and wormholes, but the authors decided to add it anyways. That and the Naomi Nagata Show in the last season was unbearable.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 15:11:08 2021 No.12713349 >>12708014 all tickets to Mars should be one-way

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