How much money would it cost to recreate this?

[Anonymous No.12701976]

Was thinking of making my own mice/rat utopia experiment with some of the money I've made off of chainlink. Should I use other animals instead?

[Anonymous No.12701981]

>>12701976
No, just buy more linkys

[Anonymous No.12703209]

please do a 24/7 web livestream

[Anonymous No.12703214]

>>12701976
4chan is that experiment but with humans.

[Anonymous No.12703246]

>>12701976
That image reminds me of a godzilla movie.

[El Arcón No.12703248]

This is experiment's ethics are questionable. The recreation's ethics would be especially questionable since the expected result is known.

[El Arcón No.12703251]

>>12703248
I don't care about ethics. Do not impersonate me again unless you want to see the wrath of my (im)moral philosophy.

[Anonymous No.12703321]

What's cheaper than mice and rats? Insects might work but what about rabbits or hamsters?

[Anonymous No.12703329]

>>12703321
The good thing with rabbits is that you could eat them when they were no longer part of the experiment. Also you could harvest their fur and feet.

[Anonymous No.12703354]

What’s the point, we already have the results from this experiment.

The fact that you lack both ethics and the objectivity to realise the pointlessness of repeating this study suggests to me that the only kind of experimentation you should be involved with is one in which you are a participant.

[Anonymous No.12703364]

>>12703354
Never heard of the replication crisis? Sounds like your solution is to never repeat experiments, that way they can never be refuted.

[Anonymous No.12703375]

>>12703364
Oh please, what possible value is there to repeating this? It must be one of the most studied experiments in history, and one which is basically pointless since it has been demonstrated to show little utility in predicting human behaviour. The closest analogue is prisons, in which case these would provide a far better, more applicable, and larger scale study of the same set of systems.

What exactly is there to refute here...

[Anonymous No.12703396]

>>12703209
This

[Anonymous No.12703408]

>>12703375
Perhaps you could measure the degree of comfort it takes for the utopia to fall apart? Strike a balance between struggle in order to promote cohesion, yet still maintain the abundance of resources. Maybe have mice and rats in separate utopias, and combine them when it looks like the utopia is at its breaking point in order to gauge how the introduction of foreigners impacts the society?

[Anonymous No.12703433]

>>12703408
And you are sure that
1) that has any transference to human society whatsoever
2) you cant derive those results from the original data, or subsequent discussions and studies that have came from it
3) you can set up and orchestrate that very sensitive experimental system

Lets be honest, this has nothing to do with generating interesting data and useable results. You have already said you have no ethics here so I question you have the capacity to set up and study this system in any objective and rigorous way. Just admit that you want to torment some animals and we can move on.

[Anonymous No.12703438]

>>12703433
I'm not that anon with the doppleganger. I'm genuinely curious how tweaking the experiment would impact the outcome. It's more about analyzing the instincts of the animals at a social level. Is there an outcome in which an animal deprived of struggle does not kill itself and everyone else?

[Anonymous No.12703456]

>>12703375
Why are you involved with science at all? Your attitude is astonishing in its lack of curiosity or even skepticism.
>Eh, n=1 is plenty of knowledge, let's stop.
Seriously, maybe science isn't your thing and you'd be better off as a writer for a tv show about celebrities.

[Anonymous No.12703461]

>>12701976
No, try to duplicate the exact experiment.

I think he made up the whole thing.

[Anonymous No.12703513]

>>12703456
>i want to repeat this infamous study with no idea how to do it or why I am doing it
>”thats pointless”
>”REEEEE something about repeating experiments”

It’s the fact that I am an active researcher that I can say this is pointless. There is no active question which needs answering here, just a load of hand wavy “well you know, might be interesting...” stuff. Science works within stricter limits than that because results tend to become entirely invalid very quickly when you have no idea what you are doing or why.

Why this study? What will it show that studying a prison system, which is a far better model of actual human behaviour, wont? How will it be more applicable than the previous studies? What is the benefit of repeating this balanced against the ethical cost? If it is trying to repeat the study then whats the point since it has been essentially rendered moot? If it is set up to study other aspects, how is it repeating the initial ones? Scientists tend to be less interested in entertaining ideas which have been done, and demonstrated as of little use, as interesting as they may initially have been.

Also, this was not n=1, since that typically refers to the number of participants in a study, rather than the number of studies. And in any case, he ran it twice, one on a massive scale, and then on a smaller more controlled scale. So n=fucking thousands across two studies.

[Anonymous No.12703619]

>>12703251
>>12703248
Who's the real Tooker?

[Anonymous No.12703667]

>>12703513
>I am an active researcher that I can say this is pointless.
Thanks Emperor of /sci/ for letting us know what science is ok and what science is forbidden in your kingdom. We are lucky to have you around to tell humanity how to conduct itself.

[Anonymous No.12703684]

>>12703667
>Oh well you see im retarded
>checkmate heh

[Anonymous No.12704110]

>>12701976
You could just make the space a lot smaller. That way you wouldn't have to spend as much money on food either.

[Anonymous No.12704377]

>>12701976
The study was never conducted. The release of the "study" was the experiment.

[Anonymous No.12704412]

>>12701976
I'm interested into introducing some modern variables into experiment like the idea of universal income.

[Anonymous No.12704422]

>>12703513
>n=fucking thousands
>two studies
this is how I know you are in a soft science

[Anonymous No.12704423]

>>12703408
>Maybe have mice and rats in separate utopias, and combine them when it looks like the utopia is at its breaking point in order to gauge how the introduction of foreigners impacts the society?

Rats eat mice silly.
Also, all you need to do is look at Africa, the Americas, Australiaand now Europe to see the effect of foreigners on society

[Anonymous No.12704433]

>>12701976
A more recent experiment involving a mob of republicans in a white house confirmed the results of the original study.

[Anonymous No.12704577]

>>12704422
Because i know something you dont?
>coping this hard
This is how i know you are not in science

[Anonymous No.12704586]

>>12703667
You are welcome anon. Doing my part to keep the special needs kids from drinking the bleach.

Mot been on here in years, I swear sci used to have actual scientists and mathematicians on here. You guys are more retarded than ever.

[Anonymous No.12704606]

>>12704577
ah yes
i flipped a coin and it came up heads, so every time i flip a coin heads will come up

[Anonymous No.12704621]

>>12704606
The fuck are you even talking about? He repeated the experiment twice, the second (better known) experiment had about 2200 mice at peak pop, and went on for months. How is this flipping a coin twice. This is more like carrying out two sessions of flipping a coin thousands of times. You can not be a scientists and all, thats fine, but at least try not to be retarded. This is basic.

[Anonymous No.12704641]

>>12704621
there are many isolated cultures in the world
finding and studying one does not explain the behaviour and practices of all
there are many variables to explore

[Anonymous No.12704645]

>>12703248
Yeah, it is. I made an assignment about it in 11th grade english class. You can say it replicates human growth today though, as the space we occupy grows each year, and eventually there will be overpopulation and humans wll respond just like the rats in the utopia.
We live in the prosperity stage.

[Anonymous No.12704653]

>>12703321
I don't think insects are capable of any thought. An insect utopia would collapse only when there is not enough physical space to occupy them, in my opinion. It's worth a try.

[Anonymous No.12704689]

>>12704641
I agree, and this is part of my point. Human cultures may behave differently here in this system to the point where there could be a basis for studying across multiple cultures. So how on earth is anyone expecting to be able to extrapolate behaviour from mice to humanity as a whole? If human behaviour is what is being studied, why not devise a new experiment which has not been demonstrated by both time and scholarship to lack utility in predicting the behaviour of human populations. Surely that would be more interesting to everyone than the mindless repetition of an inhuman experiment for the purpose of tormenting some mice? What am I saying, this is /sci/...

[Anonymous No.12704957]

>>12704689
the human behavioural part isnt necessarily directly transferrable, but furthering animal behavioural studies can be useful in future
you can reasonably argue the ethics, but attacking repetition isnt the way to go

[Anonymous No.12706018]

>>12703329
wut