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12689958 No.12689958 [Reply] [Original]

If time stops, then an object is frozen in place and can not change. So if time did not exist before the Big Bang, how can the initial expansion of the universe ever happen?

>> No.12689959

>what is abstraction?

>> No.12689964

>>12689958
Good job. Now you understand why cosmological arguments are as dumb as ontological arguments.

>> No.12689965

>>12689959
Not according to relativity. Time is a dimension, not an abstraction.

>> No.12690256

>>12689958
It took infinitely long. You wouldn't get it, only photons can understand this.

>> No.12690388

>>12689958
>If time stops, then an object is frozen in place and can not change
no, entropy is not the arrow of time

>> No.12690428

>>12689958
You can't make a statement with words such as 'before the Big Bang' because they're meaningless and self contradictory. Therefore, your question is also meaningless.

>> No.12690557

>>12690256
>It took infinitely long. You wouldn't get it, only photons can understand this.

Then it never happened as anything that takes forever to occur never happens.

>>12690388
>no, entropy is not the arrow of time

This goes beyond entropy. Any changes in state requires time to occur.

>>12690428
>You can't make a statement with words such as 'before the Big Bang' because they're meaningless and self contradictory. Therefore, your question is also meaningless

Your response is no different from a theologian telling someone who asked what was God doing before he made the universe. He also said the question was meaningless as God made time. They said the same stupid shit you just did only they added god to it.

If there was time or existence outside the the condense primordial universe, then how that primordial singularity couldn't come to existence let alone change states and expand into our current universe.

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>>12690557
>Your response is no different from a theologian
That is not a coincidence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebqAH5mLZNk

>> No.12692220

>>12689958
'before' and 'after' are relations that can only hold between things that are in-time. the big bang as i understand it is not the cause of the universe, just the earliest state of the universe that can be extrapolated backwards from physics equations. at some point our backwards extrapolation has to stop as our knowledge of the past reaches a limit, but i see no need to jump to conclusions and say that time did not exist before the big bang, or that the big bang was the first state of the universe. such notions about the beginning of time strike me as wildly extravagant metaphysical speculation