/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.12665011]

Lets talk about Mars. We are getting closer and closer to making a settlement on Mars a reality. ITT we discuss and speculate on the infrastructure, transportation, and opportunities of the upcoming Martian plans.

[Anonymous No.12665137]

Okay what if we invested that money in life expansion first then Mars later once we live forever, sound good?

[Anonymous No.12665141]

PISS

[Anonymous No.12665214]

>>12665137
this

[Anonymous No.12665261]

>>12665137
>>12665214
Sounds like a horrible plan that will eventually lead to our end.

[Anonymous No.12665275]

What is there to do on Mars though? As in, what resources are there? What would be the main Martian industry in the fist colony?

[Anonymous No.12665310]

>>12665275
Most likely mining, science and service industries. Elon's entire goal is to get a colony there no matter the personal cost so it will probably start without a true industry but it being there will bring work. I know NASA will be very interested in having a permanent presence there.

[Anonymous No.12665336]

>>12665137
>invested that money in life expansion first
Space colonization has to come BEFORE a large increase in human lifespan(artificially) otherwise we'll destroy ourselves before we develop the tech to do it UNLESS there's a WW3 that wipes out third worlders

[Anonymous No.12665363]

>>12665275
Bezos is focused on space industrialization, Musk is focused on making a colony possible. I would assume the first Martian industry would either be an Antarctica style science facility or it would be a raw material gathering industry.

[Anonymous No.12665387]

I think the spacex colony will be underground dwellings with public domes. NASA will definitely 3d print their future bases because they have an interest is developing that technology

[Anonymous No.12665460]

>>12665387
I could see that

[Anonymous No.12665468]

>>12665137
jesus dude, imagine if all our ancestors were cowards like you. We'd be a bunch of old fags still living in africa. Have a sense of adventure.

[Anonymous No.12665471]

>>12665137
are you more afraid of your own death than the extinction of the species? pathetic

[Anonymous No.12665475]

>>12665011
>NASA pods
You got a loicense for that?

[Anonymous No.12665476]

>>12665011
only the healthiest, best, and brightest people are chosen to go.

Imagine the martian gene pool.

[Anonymous No.12665482]

>>12665471
"The selfish gene".

[Anonymous No.12665483]

>>12665363
presumably the latter to supply the former

[Anonymous No.12665485]

>>12665476
>Oy lets send the best goyim to their space tombs

[Anonymous No.12665488]

>>12665482
Too selfish. Every great society started with a handful of men willing to put convictions before mortality. If you're not willing to do that, even in the most abstract, risk free sense of funding adventure and conquest before living forever (not just medicine mind you but literally never dying) then ur gay

[Anonymous No.12665491]

>>12665485
kek

[Anonymous No.12665494]

>>12665483
most likely yes

[Anonymous No.12665501]

why not just have robots build the structures beforehand, before sending humans?

[Anonymous No.12665625]

>>12665501
That is what the 3d printing contest was about

[Anonymous No.12665636]

>>12665011
Were not getting closer. We are still lightyears away from dealing with the radiation problem, let alone dealing with lacking resources and supplies while there.

[Anonymous No.12665650]

It must be humiliating to muck around these habitat problems instead of just sending a rocket convoy to park the supplies around mars and landing crates of rocket fuel and then one final rocket with the astronauts, walk around a bit and take off on the fueled rocket waiting for them.

[Anonymous No.12665659]

>>12665387
Nasa is a dumb jobs program and doesnt develop anything

[Anonymous No.12665669]

>>12665636
>t:retard

[Anonymous No.12665695]

>>12665650
>implying thats not part of the plan

[Anonymous No.12665702]

>>12665695
Nah, they all muck around with lettuce pots and hairbrained schemes to make fuel from local rocks and drink their own pee. Just send more rockets.

[Anonymous No.12665747]

>>12665669
reddit seems like a place for you newfriend

[Anonymous No.12665804]

>>12665261
>Building glass domes on planet that close to asteroids belt.
One little rock from space and dome got destroyed. Martians will live and sleep mostly underground. The sun, sky, horizon and the glass domes with vegetation is propaganda.

[Anonymous No.12665823]

>>12665011
The first 2 generations will live in Nasa Pods. Then maybe something like that seen in the Martian will come about. You guys really underestimate how anal it is to build something on other planets. If you lose a screw youre fucked, if something bends out of shape youre fucked, if something is joined incorrectly you're fucked, if something is broken accidentally youre fucked, if your tools / equipement is broken / lost youre fucked. Building it on earth and sending out to get attached in a modular way would be the only way if it was to happen in the next 200 years. So I'd say traditional nasa pods then maybe just bigger pods. Never 3d printed or underground.

[Anonymous No.12665882]

>>12665011
Imagine being born on Mars and having only seen videos/pictures of Earth. You would grow up with an insatiable urge to escape that shithole of a planet. This is why I think a Mars colony is unsustainable. You can’t subjugate humans into living in conditions that are orders of magnitude harsher than the harshest conditions on Earth forever. The only thing that makes sense is to treat it like military service. Astronauts would do tours on Mars that lasted some number of years. At any given time the colony should be self sustaining, but to assume that there will be humans willing to go their entire lives without seeing Earth is ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.12665987]

>>12665804
Fibre glas would still be nice to direct some light underground. Maybe some windows could prevent depressions too.

[Anonymous No.12665997]

>>12665336
an we have that first then the other shit? I think things might go faster.

[Anonymous No.12666112]

>>12665137
>imply investing in one prevents investing in the other

[Anonymous No.12666116]

>>12665275
Could send old people there to retire they'll be stronger on Mars

[Anonymous No.12666167]

>>12665471
Lmao going to Mars isn't going to prevent extinction you retard. Stop listening to that chucklefuck Elon Musk fraudster. You realize he will say whatever bullshit to get funding and you shouldn't take him seriously.

[Anonymous No.12666313]

>>12665476
>Implying the crew won't be exclusively blacks and women

[Anonymous No.12666464]

>>12666313
>So what happened to the blacks my dude?
Resettlement in Mars my dude

[Anonymous No.12666539]

>>12665804
The asteroid belt isn't near at all, it's like another planet between mars and Jupiter.
The real problem is the lack of atmosphere, Earth too receives a lot of small meteors everyday we just don't notice because of the atmosphere.
I wonder what are the probability of a serious impact on your dome, someone should have already done the calculation.

[Anonymous No.12666614]

>>12665823
>You guys really underestimate how anal it is to build something on other planets.
I love anal as the next guy, but that doesn't make any sense.
Other planets means pretty much nothing, let's talk about mars.
Very thin atmosphere, possibly some problems with dust, perchlorate in soil.
Nothing really incredibly different from welding iron in Boca chica, probably the almost lack of atmosphere can require longer times for metal to cool off, but not that much.
There is no reason why they shouldn't be able to weld big structures.

[Anonymous No.12666753]

>>12665011
We haven't even put a person on the Moon, coon. Mars, lmao.

[Anonymous No.12666765]

Official Mars terraforming anthem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjNssEVlB6M&ab_channel=Jamiexx

[Anonymous No.12666777]

>>12666167
I'm not just taking his word for it, retard, the logic makes sense to me. By keeping all humans on one planet we're very literally putting all our eggs in one basket. Even if it's a better basket, you're still taking more of risk by not diversifying.

[Anonymous No.12666783]

>>12666777
Asteroid detection and deflection is a far better investment.

[Anonymous No.12666786]

>>12665747
I've been here longer than you have

[Anonymous No.12666788]

>>12665702
>Just send more rockets
Thats not sustainable long term. The early bird gets the worm

[Anonymous No.12666789]

>>12665011
>pic
How about doing all of them to see what works best? I think a heterogenous environment is beneficial in any case. Living years underground sucks, and so does living in pods. Humans gotta have some change.

[Anonymous No.12666796]

>>12665804
I agree that most will probably be underground but domes are going to happen. You can't have people living in a tunnel for long periods of time without some way to escape it and see the surface

[Anonymous No.12666797]

It’s going to be square apartment blocks and tunnels between them
You don’t need retarded fancy meme structures to hold 10-15 PSI inside

Building underground is a joke, huge amount of work, NASA prebuilt pods are wildly over engineered

[Anonymous No.12666803]

>>12666789
I agree with this, we should flesh out every type

[Anonymous No.12666817]

>>12666797
The meme structure was about ease of 3d printing and keeping structural integrity. If you have to build these remotely you aren't going to make blocks

[Anonymous No.12666828]

>>12666817
First of all
A: they are unaesthetic af
B: 3 d printers can do squares
C: man naturally wants a square
D: there will be people there to build, living in whatever ships got them there for the initial period

[Anonymous No.12666840]

>>12666828
>man naturally wants a square
Wrong.

[Anonymous No.12666853]

>>12666797
One benefit to underground is the massive lava tubes that could be there.
If you are able to seal the walls of the tube to have air pressure inside, then you could easily have colony built inside without the need for complex digging or structures. The amount of pressurized space could also be very good for people's health instead of being inside a cramped commie block type building

[Anonymous No.12666875]

>>12666828
>3 d printers can do squares
Can a boom arm rover do it easy? Also i disagree that man wants a square, i believe squares are made because they work the best on earth. None of the designs submitted were square and this moonbase design is not square

[Anonymous No.12666876]

>>12666828
>there will be people there to build, living in whatever ships got them there for the initial period
That is riskier and takes away from the astronauts other work

[Anonymous No.12666890]

>>12666853
However lava tubes could be risky and you are going to need light, you don't want your city to be like zion from the matrix

[Anonymous No.12666941]

>>12666890
sky lights with mirrors is pretty easy task, idk about risky Mars isn't geologically at all

[Anonymous No.12666960]

>>12666941
I don't think we know enough about it yet to assume the risk

[Anonymous No.12666973]

>>12666890
Artificial lighting would work fine. Or there could be a common dome above grounds area for people to visit during safe periods. Commie blocks is too cooped up, but works as a starting point. The underground tunnels would have to be a thing with each large tunnel network having small domes above for leisure. Underground tunnels would not only give larger living area, but it would be much better from safety/hazards point as well. Not to mention the temperature thermals are much more stable below than above, leading to less structural damage from cold/heat expansion cycles.

[Anonymous No.12666991]

>>12665011
make a game, a la factorio.
Include radiation, growhouses, sandstorms, air leak, waste accumulation, etc. as elements
release it to the public

Let the spergs and dropouts figure out a healthy balance between above ground, underground, earth dependent and independent living

[Anonymous No.12667010]

>>12666973
>Artificial lighting would work fine
Spoken like someone who has never lived without the sun.

[Anonymous No.12667017]

I unironically believe the proont meme. I think its the only way to geta real habitable colony that people would want to live in

[Anonymous No.12667022]

>>12666777
>By keeping all humans on one planet we're very literally putting all our eggs in one basket
Except that analogy isn't applicable here because if Earth gets annihilated any colony on Mars will be doomed as well. Because any colony on Mars will be completely dependent on Earth to survive. The problem with Musk fanboys is they lack the ability to think for themselves when it comes to his bogus claims.

[Anonymous No.12667023]

>>12665011
If we can't even land on the Moon, how can we make a settlement on Mars?
The Moon landing was faked.

[Anonymous No.12667025]

>>12667017
I doubt for anything large scale, it what be very useful for small science outposts though

[Anonymous No.12667036]

>>12667017
Or you put people there and have actual industries producing thousands of tons of concrete and rebar and some sorta sealant/insulation which is what’ll happen in a real colony

Not reenacting Apollo first, then next decade maybe put a couple prefabbed habitats plus a test 3 d printed one

[Anonymous No.12667044]

>>12667025
Idk if they tech is fleshed out it might become the standard way to build on mars. Lava tubes are an excellent idea but I can't see any real settlements actually growing out of them

[Anonymous No.12667046]

>>12665011

Buzz alrdrins recycler is a really good idea.

[Anonymous No.12667110]

>>12665011
Why not start with the moon first? Seems easier since it's so much closer.
This whole "lets go to mars" things screams of money laundering to me

[Anonymous No.12667112]

>>12667010
there are cities in the arctic circle that spend months without sun, I think that competent artificial lights that actually dim and change color based on time will be fine

[Anonymous No.12667137]

>>12665011
I think we should dump the entire 3rd world there so that they suffocate and starve, then we'll have plenty of resources here and won't need to colonize space.

[Anonymous No.12667187]

Are there ant major risks to living in lava tubes? Is collapse an issue? depressurization?

[Anonymous No.12667220]

>>12666853
We assign numbers to each tube
Mars tube 1, Mars tube 2 and so on

[Anonymous No.12667233]

>>12665011
Just build wooden houses.

[Anonymous No.12667235]

>>12665804
>he thinks Mars is bombarded by asteroids 24/7 just by being closer to the asteroid belt
How's primary school?

[Anonymous No.12667236]

>>12665669
Hello, Elon. Arguments are not you thing, are they?

[Anonymous No.12667243]

>>12667036
>Or you put people there and have actual industries producing thousands of tons of concrete and rebar
And build in space suits? 3D printing will be the best method of building if the colonists are using regolith concrete

[Anonymous No.12667269]

>>12667112
>there are cities in the arctic circle that spend months without sun
Months is not permanent, have you ever lived in a place with heavy winters and months with limited sun? You get depressed, its a strain mentally and it is hard. To make that permanent would break people.

[Anonymous No.12667288]

>>12667137
Fuck that i want to make an ethnostate on mars. Lets send the third world to venus

[Anonymous No.12667304]

>>12667236
You haven't made a credible argument yet why should I?

[Anonymous No.12667392]

Am I the only one who actually loves this design

[Anonymous No.12667408]

>>12667392
Turd and buttplug jokes aside, it still has soul

[Anonymous No.12667426]

>>12667392
It's a bit small, innit?

[Anonymous No.12667436]

>>12665011
I will NOT eat bugs
I will NOT live in a pod
I will NOT live underground

[Anonymous No.12667524]

>>12667426
Its scaled down for the contest

[Anonymous No.12667526]

>>12665636
Can you point me in the direction of the Facebook group you got this information from?

[Anonymous No.12667569]

>>12665141
this, where's my fucking piss airlocks

[Anonymous No.12667631]

>>12666817
nice buttplugs

[Anonymous No.12667657]

>>12667631
Thanks

[Anonymous No.12667747]

>>12666817
one one the right looks comfy. God I wish I could live in space bros

[Anonymous No.12667764]

>>12667747
sorry for typos, I'm retarded

[Anonymous No.12667836]

>>12667747
That was the penn state team and their material was more realistic

[Anonymous No.12667847]

>>12667836

[Anonymous No.12667851]

>>12665011
>We are getting closer and closer to making a settlement on Mars a reality
>>>/x/

[Anonymous No.12667887]

>>12667851
t. FAAg

[Anonymous No.12667889]

>>12667851
Post eyes

[Anonymous No.12667906]

>>12667269
That's why we need a higher percentage of hot females in the colony.
Sex is a very good antidepressant.

[Anonymous No.12667925]

>>12667906
Its not enough you need sun

[Anonymous No.12667970]

>>12667906
>hot females
Maybe if the colony had the same women's rights as Iran I'd be OK with that. Otherwise it would be best to just have sex dolls/robots

[Anonymous No.12668197]

we go underground so we only get to the surface to sunbathe a little while doing science and discovering life, imo it's the best strat lmao

[Anonymous No.12668227]

>>12668197
Have you ever lived without the sun? If you have to go outside of your daily routine to get the sun I cannot see it happening. I could see underground living areas with domes for public areas though

[Anonymous No.12668233]

>>12666788
There is no long term. There is nothing on Mars. The goal is to send some people, they walk around and come back. A redo of the Stanley Kubrick missions.
You want a base? Ok then treat it like the Antarctica bases, evey few months a plane comes with food and fuel. So its the same but with rockets. Billions of dollars a year to keep 8 of the sexiest girls and bachelor's at the Mars sex house. Its ok because billions are nothing. For Earth's economy billions are a rounding error.

[Anonymous No.12668243]

>>12666853
>unfortunately, an unexpected magma event that only happens every one hundred thousands martian years or so rises to colony lava tube height and the colony goes extinct

[Anonymous No.12668262]

>>12665275
MARTIAN SPORTS

also we bring sex, humour and social life with us at the physical weight of our own bodies.

[Anonymous No.12668264]

>>12668233
>The goal is to send some people
The goal is to establish a colony period. Also there is plenty on mars, industry will take off from it

[Anonymous No.12668268]

>>12665636
What is LIVING UNDER FUCKING GROUND

[Anonymous No.12668273]

>>12668264
Whats on mars? Iron ore? Like Mars is going to export iron ore to Earth? Pfffff

[Anonymous No.12668287]

>>12668264
You cant even send one person to orbit around and come back and you think you can establish a colony? You should do some baby steps first as a proof of concept. Otherwise good luck on the hydroponics lettuce farm research, its only been 60 years of space lettuce research.

[Anonymous No.12668289]

>>12668273
>whats on mars?
ADVENTURE, RISKS, MARTIAN CASINOS, MARTIAN CINEMA, CRATER SKYING, MAGNIFICENT DESOLATION TURNED INTO MAGNIFICENT PARADISE, PROBABLY MICROBIAL AYYS, AND MUCH MORE

[Anonymous No.12668296]

>>12668289
So why cant you do that with a rocket convoy? Send a few rockets before people to land food and fuel and then the rocket with people goes, people walk around a bit, refuel and take off. The end of Mars mission. When is all this fake research of lettuce and pods gonna end?

[Anonymous No.12668297]

>>12665137
3d printing organs in 0g is extremely promising. All space exploration is beneficial to this because it makes launch cheaper and more reliable.

[Anonymous No.12668299]

Why are we talking about colonizing Mars when we haven't even built a lunar base yet? Building a base on the moon can act as a hub for Mars missions and commercial asteroid mining/tourism.

[Anonymous No.12668305]

>>12668299
These people dont want to do anything. They are fake.

[Anonymous No.12668337]

>>12668273
Raw materials, a colony, a fuel factory for your mining missions into space.
>>12668287
Spacex has already reached orbit multiple times, NASA has made it to the moon and starship has the direct goal of mars and the moon. Wtf are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.12668341]

>>12668296
Why live anywhere? You could just drive/fly/boat to it from iowa.

[Anonymous No.12668350]

>>12668337
I think you need to write less and read the thread

[Anonymous No.12668355]

>>12665476
I'm thinking a Mars colony would be the first time actual socialism is implemented kek

[Anonymous No.12668357]

>>12667022
I'm not a musk fanboy, I've never mentioned him once, I just happen to agree on his thinking on this one point. Obviously the colony would need to be self sustaining, otherwise it's not much of an insurance policy.

[Anonymous No.12668358]

>>12668341
What is that supposed to mean?

[Anonymous No.12668369]

>>12668305
>>12668299
Why would you need a lunar base as a hub? You can just refuel in orbit. Mars is SpaceX's(Elon musk's) goal so it is a focus. NASA is focusing on a moon base first but they are slow as shit so we won't see it anytime soon. Mars is a good goal, it would make a good hub for exploration/industry and it makes humanity's fate independent from the earth's.

[Anonymous No.12668372]

>>12668350
I think you need to take a look at reality

[Anonymous No.12668377]

>>12668358
It means you are an imbecile

[Anonymous No.12668379]

>>12668372
How insufferable.

[Anonymous No.12668385]

>>12668379
Yes you are.

[Anonymous No.12668387]

>>12668377

[Anonymous No.12668388]

>>12668369
Mars is too far away to bee a hub. You need the hub to be easily accessible, where goods can be sent back to earth quickly. Asteroid mining will probably end up being the number 1 reason for space exploration in the future. There is nothing on Mars.

[Anonymous No.12668401]

>>12668388
You are wasting your time. These niggers dont even want to visit Mars.

[Anonymous No.12668409]

>>12665011
Would chemical reactions run through the same process as they do on earth? For example the hyperconjugation, is it bound by "earthly" laws or would it work on mars too?

[Anonymous No.12668444]

>>12668409
are you trying to b8

[Anonymous No.12668456]

>>12666828
>C: man naturally wants a square

Anon, despite what the song says, you're not hip.

[Anonymous No.12668461]

>>12668388
You seem to be missing the biggest reason for going to Mars. Getting away from the earth and I can assure you that many different groups would jump at the idea of ditching the earth to start a breakaway state over there.

Nobody gives a shit about exporting or anything like that, the Martian resource wealth will serve Mars and only Mars in order to built the new civilisation.

[Anonymous No.12668470]

>>12667925
I'm sure there's a stripper who goes by Sun. Asian most likely.

[Anonymous No.12668477]

>>12668461
Sure you are going to build a state based on rock and hydroponic lettuce

[Anonymous No.12668479]

>>12668461
Okay, but how do you expect Mars to be self-sufficient enough for that? What is on Mars that can sustain a civilization?

[Anonymous No.12668491]

>>12668388
Mars could be a month away by the time its setup.
>Asteroid mining will probably end up being the number 1 reason for space exploration in the future. There is nothing on Mars.
Most of the asteroids are beyond mars, asteroid mining will require a refuel and refitting base.

[Anonymous No.12668493]

>>12665011
You idiots realize that there is no point for this right?

[Anonymous No.12668503]

>>12668493
I can settle for an apollo-like visit but these dumb fakes say its colony or nothing

[Anonymous No.12668531]

>>12668479
Hydroponics for food.
Nuclear reactors could be fuelled by uranium mined from Mars itself.
Ice and possibly underground aquifers for water and oxygen.
Above ground domes will allow for trees and other plants eventually.
Massive deposits of untouched iron and any other metal you would find on earth.
Above ground industry which could pollute as much as they wanted too.
And vast underground cities could provide plenty of space for a growing population.

[Anonymous No.12668540]

>>12668531
Much easier to do in Sahara or the bottom of the ocean

[Anonymous No.12668545]

>>12668477
Not him but hydroponics and shit fertilized filtered regolith grown plants are sustainable. We have plenty of industries built upon rock and people

[Anonymous No.12668546]

>>12668503
Nobody wants to sit around on this planet forever, how difficult is that for you to understand?

And let’s not forget the obvious reason that if anything happens to the earth it would be nice to have a back up eventually.

[Anonymous No.12668549]

>>12668493
Other than the survival of our species and the ability to stop tearing up the earth for raw materials.

[Anonymous No.12668560]

>>12668540
The richest man on earth isn't trying to send a million people to the Sahara or the bottom of the ocean.

[Anonymous No.12668571]

>>12668560
Okay, let's test that on Antarctica first before we head to the stars.

[Anonymous No.12668575]

>>12668540
Yeah, but then you wouldn’t be left alone tho would you? and establishing a city in either of those places would be much easier from a technical point of view, but politically a nightmare.

You keep missing the point. It’s not about putting people in some difficult terrain, it’s about people putting themselves as far away from everyone else as possible in order to grow and create something that can’t be knocked over the moment a nation on earth decides they have had enough of your Sahara or underwater city.

Think about when the Mormons ran of into the middle of some shithole in Utah to establish a breakaway civilisation, but the main difference is that it would be much harder for anyone to follow or fuck with them on Mars.

[Anonymous No.12668588]

>>12668575
>leave a couple dozen settlers on Mars
>come back 4 years later
>find corpses

I can see the movie being made already.

[Anonymous No.12668606]

>>12668588
That’s why it’s a long project and it won’t happen over night. You set up the infrastructure before you start moving people in and the sooner we start the sooner we can start moving in.

Hints why musk is rushing to get there rather than fucking around on meme shit like nasa or doing nothing like bezos.

[Anonymous No.12668614]

>>12668571
We already have, also what is the point of not going to the stars? Do you want humanity doomed to this planet? Do you want to continue raping the earth for raw materials when we could just get it from rocks in space? Do you not want the extra tech we would develop from the challenges of mars

[Anonymous No.12668618]

>>12665261
Eh. Most zoomers I know live meaningless lives of despair, wasting their twenties in jobs that boomers consider “starter jobs” but all economic mobility has been destroyed (by boomers) so there is no way out. They’d jump at the chance to do something historic and meaningful, no matter how deadly and/or arduous it would be. They wouldn’t miss subway or their shorty apartment.

[Anonymous No.12668631]

There's no internet on Mars. It would be living like cavemen.

[Anonymous No.12668640]

The way to go is to bite the bullet by spending the extra money upfront and go with tunnel boring machines & modular micro reactors.

You could move to Mars & have a condo built for less money than an equivalent condo on most of NYC.


That way you could live in a decent sized apartment that's built into the tunnel's walls without being required to live in communal cuck pods for 30 years. Also with such a type of housing accommodation you could create an economy off to bat by having people get paid for building apartments for new batches.

Not just housing, you could build large sprawling complexes underground such as rocket storage/hangers, water treatment & storage where you would build water tanks out of removed stone instead of being required to ship in water tanks. With the right location to process frozen water you could have millions of gallons of water stored so water wouldn't have to be rationed as much.

You could pump methane into underground storage tanks like what was done for the National helium reserves, and what is currently done for the national strategic oil reserve.

[Anonymous No.12668647]

>>12668618
Zoomers millennials and the occasional gen x

[Anonymous No.12668660]

>>12668618
>>12668647
Only zoomers will have a chance at visiting Mars. Oldfags like you will die before you have that chance.

[Anonymous No.12668661]

>>12668631
It wouldn't take long to set up starlink with a connection to earth. Musk talked about it but honestly you would be too busy probably to want to fuck around on the internet.

[Anonymous No.12668675]

>>12668660
I don't want to live on mars but its genx and millenials that are getting mars set up for you

[Anonymous No.12668701]

>>12668640
Quality post

[Anonymous No.12668726]

>>12666796
>You can't have people living in a tunnel for long periods of time without some way to escape it and see the surface

Why? It's not like the SpaceX janitors can do anything about it.

[Anonymous No.12668740]

>>12668661
Imagine how fucking boring it would be without Internet. You'd spend most of your time indoors on Mars.

[Anonymous No.12668751]

>>12667243
Stack prefabbed insulated forms
Then pour concrete

[Anonymous No.12668758]

>>12668726
Nobody says the tunnels will be a rape dungeon, there would be access to Mars's surface but it makes sense to avoid the need to ship in building material when available. You could build access to the surface with a hanger for land rovers & acess by those space suits where you access by a back hatch.
https://www.google.com/search?q=iron+mountain+storage+capacity+underground&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwii86aK1dHuAhUHUKwKHUu2DdEQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=iron+mountain+storage+capacity+underground&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQA1C2XVjjdWCSd2gAcAB4AYABiAeIAfYRkgENMS4xLjEuMS4wLjEuMZgBAKABAaoBC2d3cy13aXotaW1nwAEB&sclient=img&ei=-KgcYKKXHoegsQXL7LaIDQ&bih=866&biw=1842&client=firefox-b-d&hl=en#imgrc=ofkD3M3VBkRotM


Since it's underground you'll have less pissing & moaning from people who worry about destroying mars.

[Anonymous No.12668763]

>>12668758
Is the gravity still shit underground?

[Anonymous No.12668787]

>>12668758
Underground bases blow the fuck out of surface structures in the short to medium term.

Stop being edgy about mandating futuristic looking buildings on the surface of Mars and take the dwarf-pill.

[Anonymous No.12668818]

>>12667044
why not? i can see the need for a lot of infrastructure to be surface level but i would wanna actually live in a comfy tube under a lot of rock

[Anonymous No.12668824]

>>12667925
whatever the fuck the sun does we can do it artificially, weed grown indoors seems to do alright

[Anonymous No.12668827]

>>12667906
based

[Anonymous No.12668832]

>>12668273
>what’s on mars

it’s more about what won’t be on mars

[Anonymous No.12668834]

>>12665011
Why don’t we just planet crack that shit hole for resources dead space style?

[Anonymous No.12668849]

>>12665336
>brown people are why I'm not living in science fantasyland
lol retard

[Anonymous No.12668854]

>>12668758
>>12668726
You guys seriously have never experienced a real winter

[Anonymous No.12668860]

>>12668740
>You'd spend most of your time working on Mars
Ftfy, also I'm sure they would have a localized system. Starlink could honestly be set up so fast though that it wouldn't matter.

[Anonymous No.12668863]

>>12668751
>Stack prefabbed insulated forms
>Then pour concrete
Or just have a printer do it while you oversee it

[Anonymous No.12668868]

>>12668818
Like you said so much infrastructure needs to be surface level, living underground causes mental instability and tubes don't allow endless growth like the surface does.

[Anonymous No.12668873]

>>12668824
No we can't. Fucking try it some time, those lights don't provide the same thing.

[Anonymous No.12668890]

Imagine the cancer you'd get on Mars

[Anonymous No.12668919]

>>12668868
i see what you’re saying it just seems like a waste to not use the free, very effective radiation shielding of the lava tubes. Maybe mirrors could be used to pour a lot of sunlight through the openings and disperse it where it’s needed for habitation in the bigass cavern, best of both worlds.

[Anonymous No.12668938]

>>12668919
Rjukan, Norway essentially does this

[Anonymous No.12668956]

>>12668919
I wouldn't be surprised if they get used but if you are talking about real colonization of the planet then lava tubes are a limited measure

[Anonymous No.12668960]

>>12665336
>>12665468
>>12665471

It's backwards thinking. Why is it that we can do only one or the other & not both? After all we subsidize both African Americans & Africans in Africa. It's not the 1960s quit thinking like a politician.

[Anonymous No.12668977]

>>12668956
yeah i’m mainly talking about for first places of real significant size, once you’ve filled up the good lavatubes you should be able to have enough of an industrial base that constructing properly shielded surface habitation at large scales becomes viable

[Anonymous No.12668989]

>>12665011
Initially, it'll be pods but it will end with 3D printed shelters.

[Anonymous No.12668992]

>>12668956
>>12668977
and there is a good deal of potentially good cave systems and lava tubes in proximity in certain regions, so transport and communications networks could be expanded throughout these regions fairly quickly.

[Anonymous No.12668997]

>>12668992
sorry heres source on map

https://www.usgs.gov/center-news/caves-mars

[Anonymous No.12668999]

>>12667851
>Thinking any American president, Republican or Democrat, would stop the first Mars landing

Biden-haters are becoming just as rabid and insane as the Trump-haters.

[Anonymous No.12669048]

>>12665011
Lets get real here.
There is no point creating a settlement on Mars unless its for
1) Science research
2) Mineral extraction/processing
3) Using it as a base for further space exploration.

With respect to research we are talking equivalent to the bases at the south pole. Fucking miserable places which attract only the most autistic of the nerds. But hey, who knows? Maybe they will discover some seam of incredibly valuable resource beneath the surface, right?

Until then there is nothing on Mars worth extracting. Anything in the belt would be better processed in the belt, not on mars. Further space exploration is pointless unless you are talking interstellar because the rest of the solar system including the moons is just a collection of barren useless rocks and balls of gas. All of which are too fucking cold or hot.

So the best case scenario is something like a four man research outpost manned by some highly autistic geologists cooming over rocks, counting the years down before they can get home.. Only when robotic probes give some evidence that a nearby solar system might be worth shot at colonization would there be any point to establishing a large scale mars settlement to serve as a base for manufacture and service. Even then a base in the belt would still be better.

So fuck these tunnels and greenhouses and retards in space suits crawling over the surface of mars. Its a fantasy for 14 year olds and the intellectually impaired.

[Anonymous No.12669116]

>>12669048
A moon base is better

[Anonymous No.12669117]

>>12668999
Well he stole an election so people are going to be pissed

[Anonymous No.12669144]

>>12669117
Nah, that's just coping.

[Anonymous No.12669155]

>>12669048
I agree, we should spend that money on illegal migrants such as giving them public housing.

[Anonymous No.12669201]

>>12669048
>There is no point creating a settlement on Mars unless its for
You forgot one, Elon Musk the richest man on earth wants to create one. That means there is a demand for work to build, maintain, clean, and provide services. NASA will obviously will want a presence there and mineral extraction will come as soon as the transportation is possible, the fuel factories on mars will be crucial for future exploration.

[Anonymous No.12669266]

>>12669144
No its the truth

[Anonymous No.12669373]

>>12669144
>Nah, that's just coping.
So was the "MUH RUSSIAN COLLUSION"

Face it, both sides have sore losers that scream "THEY CHEATED" whenever they lose.

[Anonymous No.12669514]

>>12669373
Yep joe biden is the most voted for president in history despite losing all but 2 of the bellwether counties and underperforming in every city except the ones he needed to win. I'm sure you believe NASA when they say the SLS is the only path to the moon too.

[Anonymous No.12669524]

>>12668832
kek

[Anonymous No.12669554]

>>12666828
>A: they are unaesthetic af
well, that's your opinion
I like them - they remind of Russian churches
goopy commieblocks wouldn't be aesthetic either
>B: 3 d printers can do squares
circle has maximum area and minimum perimeter of all shapes
you minimalize build material needed
>C: man naturally wants a square
no, carpenters want square because it's the most convenient shape to build with brick/cinderblock/timber and the furniture is also simple rectangles
>D: there will be people there to build, living in whatever ships got them there for the initial period
they will have other things to do than to lay bricks or whatever
besides, there's radiation - you would want to stay indoors as much as possible, not to mention spacesuits aren't to most comfy things to wear for 8 hours

[Anonymous No.12669587]

>>12665011
I like the Hassell designs

[Anonymous No.12669647]

>>12665275
Luxury Mars Passtime-ism
Every day is arcade day and we end the day with a lobster dinner. Everything is funded by Elon's billions.

[Anonymous No.12669653]

>>12669647
Sure
If lobster is aquarium shrimp fed on your own feces and if arcade is remotely operating mining robots from your bunker to shield yourself from cosmic radiation

[Anonymous No.12669654]

>>12669653
tilapia, crab, leafy greens, potatoes
what else is really easy and good with aquaponics/aeroponics

[Anonymous No.12669674]

>>12668560
Ever seen places like Dubai?
They have domes with artificial ski slopes in the middle of a desert

[Anonymous No.12669679]

>>12669654
Perigee wheat, dwarf varieties of all kinds of crops

[Anonymous No.12669681]

>>12669679
>dwarf varieties
fuck that shit I'mma grow some corn in a tube

[Anonymous No.12669689]

>>12668787
Why not both?

[Anonymous No.12669697]

>>12668890
No carcinogens will be taken there. No viruses, not bacteria, not germs, not mold, no niggers.

[Anonymous No.12669707]

>>12668640
Looks like dwarf fortress lol

[Anonymous No.12669708]

>>12669681
>Corn in a tube
Is that like a reversed corn dog?
Tube of meat filled with batter?

[Anonymous No.12669713]

>>12669708
uh okay so take a Boring machine and drill out a tube and then cover the ceiling in LEDs and then lay down some soil and then CORNM

[Anonymous No.12669771]

>>12669674
Yeah and how is that relevant

[Anonymous No.12669853]

>>12668661
There is at least a 20 minutes lag between earth and mars.
The internet as you know it would be completely unusable.
The only possibility would be having martian servers caching a lot, but most modern websites are dynamically generated.
Basically you would need local interfaces and caching, it's' the only way you could see youtube videos of cats doing funny things.
No shitposting on 4chan though.
One day we could see "mars compatible" on some websites.

[Anonymous No.12669965]

>>12669771
Faggot deleted original post so the context is gone
The argument was: billionaires should be building "martian bases" in deserts because it's easier to go to a desert than Mars or to test it out or whatever.
My point is they are already doing it. Places like Dubai are completely depending on what is similar to space-grade life support systems.

[Anonymous No.12669972]

>>12666817
looks like a pile of shit unironically

[Anonymous No.12669973]

>>12666828
>man naturally wants a square
what?

[Anonymous No.12669975]

>>12667187
you can reinforce them with iron needles and concrete as we swiss do in tunnels

[Anonymous No.12669977]

>>12668493
yes there are many reasons to go to Mars

[Anonymous No.12669978]

>>12668832
Africa is a literal demographic time bomb

[Anonymous No.12669982]

>>12669587
looks pretty comfy
is it 3D printed?

[Anonymous No.12669985]

>>12669116
But a 1 million people colony on the moon could never declare independence from Earth, A 1 million people Mars colony might actually pull it off.

[Anonymous No.12670000]

>>12669985
they will push for autonomy when they reach complete autarky, it's always been this way historically

[Anonymous No.12670057]

>>12665011
Before we get all too excited, why don't we fix the whole biodome sustainability problem. I mean if it needs to be resupplied every few years with air, water and food then all it will amount to is a glorified research outpost and maybe a super rich retirement home. We got to fix that part before we can get anywhere near some of these second colony dreams.

I am not against putting up a research post on Mars, but if we do it we need to be honest and set real goals. Simply putting people on Mars does nothing unless we capitalize on it correctly.

[Anonymous No.12670494]

>>12667187
Yes, there are risks.
But the same happens here on Earth with caves and artificial tunnels, and we have become quite good at understanding those (aside from the pressurize thing oc).
I'm sure we can do the same on Mars.

[Anonymous No.12670508]

>>12669985
Why would people on the moon ever declare autonomy? It would essentially be a massive airport for space travel. You'd go there to refuel, drop off goods, and maybe get a bite to eat at the Lunar McDonald's

[Anonymous No.12670524]

>>12670057
>air
They need energy and "atmosphere processor" (for lack of a better name) to generate fuel anyway or they will never go back to earth, the same machine can be used to filter CO2 and replenish oxygen
>water
There should be a lot on Mars.
We still don't know if it's easy to extract it and how, finding water on Mars is pretty much the second most important step after setting up the energy generator
>and food
Three main sources in order of time:
1) Dehydrated food imported from earth. If they have water it's very weight efficient.
2) Produced from methane in vats. Spacex has already contacted the ones who developed the tech. Probably not that tasty, but you don't die.
3) Grown on Mars. With time it should become the main source.

[Anonymous No.12670599]

>>12665011
Sending people to Mars is a great idea. Everyone who thinks colonizing Mars is a great idea should get an all expenses paid one way trip. We should get a marketing team onto extolling the virtues of living on Mars. Lets see. Free money. Total social equality. All you can eat . No conservative white males allowed.

Look, I realize this would be a very expensive undertaking, but in the long run it would be worth every penny.

[Anonymous No.12670661]

How long would this take?

[Anonymous No.12670678]

>>12670599
>Everyone who thinks colonizing Mars is a great idea should get an all expenses paid one way trip
I'd be in, if you promise not to let niggers and idiots go too.
>No conservative white males allowed.
Oh :-(
Why?

[Anonymous No.12670682]

>let's leave the planet with most uranium, precious minerals, oxygen, water, other organic compounds and their elements for a shithole corrosive desert with no valuable resources, high radioactivity, no atmosphere and a shit ton of other problems
this literally just elon fulfilling his fantasy of being a martian and a savior of humanity in his mind and he is doing this at the cost of taxpayer money. people that fall for this shit are extremely retarded
>ooooooohhhhhh 3d printed walls oooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh mars biospheres uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
jesus fucking christ you guys are so retarded it makes me angry

[Anonymous No.12670684]

>>12670508
Is there actually any point landing on the moon, instead of just doing stocking and fueling in orbit? Just seems like an extra step

[Anonymous No.12670693]

>>12670682
>Yellowstone erupts
Heh, nothing personnel kid

[Anonymous No.12670791]

>>12670682
You're the kind of person who cannot think past dinner.

[Anonymous No.12670806]

>>12670684
> stocking and fueling in orbit
This is important though. Also space tourism. It takes 3 days to get to the Moon, 7 months to get to Mars. Most people will be visiting the moon. As Earth's environmental laws become more strict, private companies might mine for lunar resources such as silicon, aluminum, and ice (for the water). It also serves as a testing ground for governments experimenting with new technologies.

[Anonymous No.12670821]

>>12670682
>A planet so hostile that stupid people would die off.

Sounds amazing. Where do I buy the ticket?

[Anonymous No.12670968]

>>12670678
We cant have white male patriarchy messing up the perfect utopian society that will be created on Mars. Imagine. Endless tunnels swarming with human diversity, all living together in peace and harmony as self maintaining robots grow an endless bounty of tasty food on the fertile, well watered soils of Mars. White men would screw that up. Imagine strolling outside under yet another perfect day, your bare skin soaking up the warm and benevolent rays of the beautiful sun, as children play happily, building mudhuts in the Martian sand! White men would screw all that up too. There will be swimming pools, lots of liberal white women and low g sex. No one will have to work, everything will be automated and take care of itself. Machines will do all the dirty work. Everything will be free. Plus every everyone will get $10,000 a month to spend on whatever they want! Cant have white men coming along and stopping that.That's why its a one way trip, nobody would want to return to Earth after experiencing such a paradise. The best part is that Mars is huge! Plenty of room for everyone! Except conservative white men.

[Anonymous No.12671173]

>>12666817
>>12669587
looks kinda like the structures in star wars

[Anonymous No.12671186]

>>12669965
Yeah what a retarded comment

[Anonymous No.12671252]

>>12669853
>The internet as you know it would be completely unusable.
You would still get videos, forum archives and non reactive media. By the time the average joe is on mars there will be enough people that the local internet would have its on culture. Also being free of 4chan is something i dream of anon.

[Anonymous No.12671255]

>>12669972
They had to rush them for the contest, they look pretty decent for what it was

[Anonymous No.12671269]

>>12670968
>Except conservative white men.
How are you going to get there without the conservative white men who build starship. But sure send all the niggers to space

[Anonymous No.12671349]

>>12670682
based

[Anonymous No.12671744]

Mars base supplies and some robots will be there manned missions planned 2030-2034

[Anonymous No.12671756]

mars is a terrible place and nobody should ever go there, and the same is true of most planets.

[Anonymous No.12671763]

>>12671756
cont.

i actually feel bad for the poor bastards they send to mars to live out the rest of their lives in a barren wasteland. devoid of nearly everything that brings joy to the human race. it's almost as bad as getting life in prison.

people have really strange priorities and i don't understand it.

[Anonymous No.12671767]

>>12671763
>>12671756
Ok bye, enjoy your stay on diversity hell world.

[Anonymous No.12671772]

>>12671763
>>12671756
This attitude is for losers who never achieve anything. Those that risk reap rewards

[Anonymous No.12671865]

>>12671767
>>12671772
Oh, you want to go to Mars? Name everything you want to do there.

Yeah, I thought so.

[Anonymous No.12671869]

>>12671865
>Build a new civilization

That's it, that's all the motivation needed.

[Anonymous No.12671873]

>>12671869
>Build a new company town for Weyland-Yutani

Enjoy your cancer btw

[Anonymous No.12671878]

>>12671873
ok bro

[Anonymous No.12671886]

>>12671869
You will die of radiation poisoning or go crazy when you realize Earth is a hundred million miles away.

[Anonymous No.12671889]

>>12671886
Incorrect since my habitat will be well shielded and only soft faggots like you would cry over leaving this shitdump of a planet.

[Anonymous No.12671896]

>>12671889
So infinite lockdowns in red antarctica.

[Anonymous No.12671900]

>>12667392

[Anonymous No.12671903]

>>12671896
Nice hyperbole, you live in a concrete jungle shithole anyway so your opinion is worthless.

[Anonymous No.12671919]

>>12671903
Not a hyperbole, Antarctica is actually more hospitable to life than Mars.

And I live on 4 acres in oak woodlands.

[Anonymous No.12671928]

>>12671756
>>12671772

[Anonymous No.12671931]

>>12667392
Disgusting. How the fuck are people supposed to live in that? You could barely fit more than a single person.

[Anonymous No.12671935]

>>12671928

[Anonymous No.12671943]

>>12671919
well yeah, especially in that northern peninsula which is pretty much antipodean Prudue(sp?) Bay in north Alaska (where lots of seasonal people live).
I'd like to see an experiment in settling an Antarctic dry-valley, powered by the katabatic wind.

[Anonymous No.12671945]

>>12671935
why does that look like putin as a monkey

[Anonymous No.12671952]

>>12671865
Sit at home figuring out problems, occasionally fixing stuff, and every now and again walking about to enjoy the landscape
Seems like how shut-ins live in north New Mexico over the winters
Seems comfy

[Anonymous No.12671982]

>>12671931

[Anonymous No.12672107]

>>12671865
Work on making it a livable and pleasant place, i would definitely do infrastructure work but my main focus in my free time would be to make an aesthetic living space and public areas to improve QOL for everyone. I wouldn't live there permanently as i love earth but I could spend 5 years working there

[Anonymous No.12672110]

>>12671873
We live in real life here redditnigger

[Anonymous No.12672134]

>>12672110
>Doesn't understand synecdoche

Try being less autistic

[Anonymous No.12672139]

>>12672110
>building shitty pods on a desert rock for Amazon

[Anonymous No.12672218]

>>12665011
>We are getting closer and closer to making a settlement on Mars a reality.
LOL, WUT? Not even close. Martian colonization is a scam. Lunar colonies on the other hand... THAT'S where the real shit's at.

[Anonymous No.12672269]

>>12672218
Moon's too close, too much government

[Anonymous No.12672293]

>>12671269
>How are you going to get there without the conservative white men who build starship
Ah, you see, that's where reparations comes in.

[Anonymous No.12672319]

>>12671269
>conservative white men who build starship
Starship is built by beaners assorted Tex-Mex mystery meat in a field on the Rio Grande, anon
the engineering is done by California liberals living in Los Angeles

[Anonymous No.12672328]

>>12671767
>>12671772
>>12671928

mars is a barren wasteland. that's why nothing grows/lives there.

[Anonymous No.12672345]

>>12665650
A conjunction mission will last 2.5 years with 1.5 years on the surface. This is the most common plan that anyone is considering.
A shorter opposition mission of 30 days on the surface is possible but requires much longer transit times and more delta-v.
Your plan simply isn't happening.

[Anonymous No.12672423]

>>12672139
That would mean saving the earth then yes

[Anonymous No.12672425]

>>12672134
You are a chink and China will never succeed. You are built of theft and shortcuts, you have no way to innovate or succeed as a race

[Anonymous No.12672427]

>>12672328
>Ching chong bing bing bing I eat dog and cannot see

[Anonymous No.12672437]

Mars is a desert shithole. That's why there's no reason to go there.

[Anonymous No.12672452]

>>12672293
Still butthurt about Nanking?

[Anonymous No.12672829]

>>12672437
Retard

[Anonymous No.12672892]

>>12672345
2.5 years is an insane undertaking compared to Apollo, the only way I can see that happening is after a pretty sizable base is on the moon.

[Anonymous No.12672907]

>>12666817
> Pressurised vessel
> Structural integrity
Just keep it inflated bruh. Maybe put a tent pole in the middle

[Anonymous No.12672922]

>>12672425
Cope. Mars is mostly useless for Earth and is a shit place to live. We can simulate surviving there just as effectively underwater and in mineshafts here.

That said I fully support Elon Musk trying to set up shop there. It'll be fun to watch. I ain't goin tho.

[Anonymous No.12673027]

>>12672922
Don't you have some gutter oil to make?

[Anonymous No.12673394]

Sometime people forget how big Starship is.
Here is your habitat.
It's already big and has an has an area protected from solar eruptions.
I wonder If they can put it in horizontal position, covered with terrain would be ideal.
Cargos will probably never go back to earth, so they could seal the openings and open internally the tanks, or simply use them for other purposes, i.e. water reserve.

[Anonymous No.12673405]

>>12673394
>I wonder If they can put it in horizontal position, covered with terrain would be ideal.
It would be pretty risky, i think they will use them as temporary housing more than anything

[Anonymous No.12673519]

I mean, the long-term plan is still terraforming, right? So the idea is to get habitats up and running and people working on making that shithole beautiful.
Since humans are super easily bored, it's important to give them an environment with distractions and change. Build all the proposed habitat methods, connect them, let people wander freely between them. Make sure they see the results of their work as early as possible. Mars will be better than earth, if were doing it right in the beginning. Let only intelligent (emotionally and cognitively) go there, make sure no viruses and bacteria detrimental to humans or products in there are taking the journey.
I'd be in.

[Anonymous No.12673526]

>>12665261
end? just a disaster and a setback i hope
send us back to the long forgotten ages
what splendid time would it be to wield a sword openly

[Anonymous No.12673530]

>>12665011
We should probably focus on colonizing Antarctica first. It's much safer, but would still give us valuable experience on settling an extremely inhospitable place.

[Anonymous No.12673693]

>>12665137
the earth will be destroyed eventually we gotta have a backup

[Anonymous No.12673696]

>>12673530
It would give us pretty much nothing.
There is breathable air at the right pressure and no radiations, plenty of water literally all around you.
It's only cold. We already know how to deal with cold.

[Anonymous No.12673701]

>>12668268
definitely not a solution to radiation you fucking clown

[Anonymous No.12673772]

>>12673696
>plenty of water literally all around you.
Ayyy, this guy hasn't heard.

[Anonymous No.12673880]

Bigass glass window with nice view.

>inb4 radiation
It hits hard from zenith, not the horizon.

[Anonymous No.12673950]

>>12673880
>It hits hard from zenith, not the horizon.
On Earth, because we have a sizable atmosphere.
On Mars the effect is going to be much smaller.

[Anonymous No.12673968]

Reminder that embryos can't develop in <1g. There will be no colonization

[Anonymous No.12674010]

>>12665882
That is so naive.
Anyone who grew up in those conditions would be completely accustomed to it, the same most people today on Earth living in cities would be horrified to live in a jungle with bugs and snakes.

[Anonymous No.12674058]

>>12669373
Muh russia was part of the full term effort to get trump out of office. 2020 was the real deal

[Anonymous No.12674070]

mercury > mars
Debate me.

[Anonymous No.12674085]

>>12673968
Orbital Earth gravity stations.

[Anonymous No.12674586]

>>12673519
I mean terraforming isn't possible yet

[Anonymous No.12674589]

>>12673530
There's nothing to gain from that

[Anonymous No.12674945]

>>12665011
>We are getting closer and closer to making a settlement on Mars a reality.
No, not really.

[Anonymous No.12674952]

>>12665310
>it will probably start without a true industry
Idle hands are the devil's playthings. If people don't have anything productive to do, there will be trouble.

[Anonymous No.12674958]

>>12669647
Sounds boring as hell. Worse even than a cruise ship.

[Anonymous No.12675003]

>>12668357
>Obviously the colony would need to be self sustaining
That's been attempted on earth, and it failed. If the concept cannot be proved on earth, where construction and material costs are dirt cheap compared to Mars, what makes you think it will work on Mars?

I have the same gripe with the "floating balloon cities in the upper Venusian atmosphere!" fanboys. Sure the upper atmosphere of Venus is Earth like... but airships failed on Earth. If airships can't be made safe and reliable on Earth, what the fuck makes people think they'd work any better on Venus?

[Anonymous No.12675009]

>>12667187
>Are there ant major risks to living in lava tubes?
Yes, Martian Ants are very aggressive. Those lava tubes are death traps.

[Anonymous No.12675020]

>>12667836
>>12667847
For the sake of the space kids, please don't let anybody from Penn State go to Mars.....

[Anonymous No.12675042]

>>12668787
Imagine being a teenage kid on Mars, except when your parents and siblings piss you off there is no escape. You can't go outside. Your trapped in a stone prison with them. And to make matters worse, space is at such a premium you don't even get your own bedroom to jack off in privacy.

Hell, but not on earth...

[Anonymous No.12675047]

>>12668938
Notice how it's only lighting up one patch of a parking lot and the rest of the town is still in darkness. Unfortunately, that's the way mirrors work. And though you could spread the light out, it would no longer be bright. You'd be spreading a few square meters of sunlight collected by the mirror over a several hundred square meters of space, making it a pointless exercise. These sunlight mirrors are basically just dumb stunts, I'm sorry to say.

[Anonymous No.12675059]

>>12670693
It would cream many American states, but otherwise life would go on. Seriously.

[Anonymous No.12675072]

>>12665137
>WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT YOU CAN'T GO TO MARS WHAT ABOUT OUR PROBLEMS ON EARTH!1!!!11

>meanwhile government spends hundreds of billions on the military
>crickets

[Anonymous No.12675106]

>>12674586
What's missing? Or rather, what do we need?
An atmosphere, fertile ground, what else?

[Anonymous No.12675137]

>>12675072
>X is bad
>therefore you should pay for Y, which is unrelated to X
This is not a persuasive line of argument, ever. You need to persuade people that Y is worthwhile, not just that X is bad.

[Anonymous No.12675204]

>>12674070
it's too far down and it has no atmosphere

[Anonymous No.12675309]

>>12675042
Assumptions.
Underground caves can actually be huge.

[Anonymous No.12675349]

>>12665275
>What is there to do on Mars though?

Make it habitable. Terraform it. Expand and sustain the colonies. Do research. Imagine finding the remnants of ancient life on Mars, or even the remnants of a dead civilization. Either event would drastically change humanity's perspective.

Even if neither happened, the evolution of human microbes on a foreign planet would give us great insights.

[Anonymous No.12675370]

>>12675106
Stronger magnetosphere

[Anonymous No.12675379]

>>12675020
Edgy

[Anonymous No.12675484]

>>12675309
when's my SWAMP CAVE filtration plant full of SPACE HICKS and ALLIGATORS

[Anonymous No.12675561]

>>12666853
>>12666817
>>12666875
>>12666876
>>12666890
are any of these designs antifragile? the most certainty we can calculate is something will go wrong

[Anonymous No.12675624]

>>12675072
Military at least provide some sort of service, the amount given to niggers and losers is twice that of the military

[Anonymous No.12675680]

>>12675561
They tested the top 2 contestants durability like this

[Anonymous No.12675709]

>>12675680
I should add that this was a concept design competition and this was the first time they were ever even prototyped

[Anonymous No.12675870]

>>12675680
Looks very scientific, look at all that instrumentation.

[Anonymous No.12675892]

>>12675870
You should watch the video on the contests, it actually looks pretty promising

[Anonymous No.12675900]

>>12675870
Also they tested to see how much weight the structure could endure. Thus the loader

[Anonymous No.12675954]

Would being a botanist on Mars be peak comfy?

[Anonymous No.12676015]

>>12673394
It just always looks wrong to me. I suppose there's nothing that could blow it over, but it just looks like it will tip over at some point

[Anonymous No.12676120]

>>12675954
Absolutely

[Anonymous No.12676262]

Why would we 3d print a habitat rather than spraying over the skin of an inflatable?

[Anonymous No.12676468]

>>12676262
Because inflatables require prefabrication and extra space.

[Anonymous No.12676888]

>>12670682
That's because most of the posts in these threads are by We Will Be Kangs stormniggers whose DIY level makes Wile E. Coyote look like an aerospace engineer: I imagine most of them could put up some drywall, but not without close supervision and a whole lot of tongue-lashing to get them off their lazy larping asses by whatever Karen hired then to do it.

[Anonymous No.12677033]

>>12675954
that's not a Botanist, anon, that's a farmer

[Anonymous No.12677036]

>>12676888
I can weld. Also ironwork and pipework.

[Anonymous No.12677071]

>>12670682
Steel? are you retarded? The amount of precious metals we could get from space is infinitely more than staying on earth. Let musk build his Martian city, It will help the earth long term.

[Anonymous No.12677112]

>>12675370
Oh shit. Right. Are there any ideas currently for how to achieve that?

[Anonymous No.12677165]

>>12670682
although you would know it is just naturally inevitable and a part of the human condition to explore and conquer/touch, just like the americas and everything in between, so you know joking just can't prevent these things

[Anonymous No.12677218]

>>12677112
dig a hole lmao

[Anonymous No.12677339]

>>12665011
>closer and closer to making a settlement on Mars a reality.
Imagine believing the authorities will ever allow this.

What do you expect? World governments suddenly disappearing as rockets start flying or suddenly growing very lax at the idea of independent societies?

[Anonymous No.12677658]

>>12677218
Not gonna help a lot. And I wanna jump around naked in Mars. Dies it have an iron core that can be made to spin or so?