/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.12661104]

how to stop this

[Anonymous No.12661115]

>>12661104

Why stop that when there is SO MUCH MONEY to be made in treatment rather than cure & prevention?

I'm kidding of course.

But yes, the solution is obvious, and no they - the religion controlled hospital systems - do not want it.

They want you to suffer, in Jesus Christ holy name. You don't think your life matters more than Jesus... do you?

[Anonymous No.12661122]

>>12661104
HDL cholesterol. If you have low levels of that, then try eating foods high in it. If that doesn't work, then you were a genetic mistake and will die young.

[Anonymous No.12661125]

>>12661115

[Anonymous No.12661141]

>>12661125

Even here you are pushing your drugs. This is going to sound like a joke but I really mean it: you all are completely disgusting and history will remember you as such.

[Anonymous No.12661147]

>>12661125

We're not going to give you real human happiness, or rights, or understanding, or connection.

We're going to force our fucking insane religious doctrine down your throat all the while gas lighting and saying you are the crazy one, then we are going to drug you up... I mean that's better than us literally lighting you on fire or labotimizing you like the old days, right?

You people are completely fucking disgusting and obsolete, and the only thing holding our species back is that your kind are also violent and have bred uncontrollably.

If the species is lost it will literally be because of your kind. And you can take THAT up with your God.

[Anonymous No.12661280]

>>12661104
The peoples who don't use salt never get it.

[Anonymous No.12661290]

>>12661104
There are plaque things now so that's cool

[Anonymous No.12661307]

>>12661122
You don't raise HDL by eating HDL.

[Anonymous No.12661314]

>>12661307
Look I don't know man I'm not a doctor, just do some things to raise your HDL it can't be that hard.

>>12661280
>hur hur salt poisoning
retard

[Anonymous No.12661323]

>>12661290
Only works for big charismatic artheries like aorta. Good luck unplugging the thousands of miles of minor veins and arteries with a metal scrub. You are gonna stroke.

[Anonymous No.12661356]

>>12661314
>retard
Because the idea that ingesting massive amounts of a substance that needs to be kept in a delicate balance causes harm is completely insane, despite the fact that those not ingesting it are perfectly healthy.

[Anonymous No.12661673]

>>12661104
Stop eating butter you subhuman

[Anonymous No.12661679]

>>12661104
Exercise, diet, stop smoking
Look up AHA diet guidelines

[Anonymous No.12661701]

>>12661323
nanobots

[Anonymous No.12661794]

>>12661679
>Exercise, diet, stop smoking
imagine being so deluded you think this makes a difference.
heh.

[Anonymous No.12661799]

>>12661104
Inject degreaser?

[Anonymous No.12661801]

>>12661673
>he fell for the no butter meme

[Anonymous No.12661813]

>>12661356
Unless you're an amerilard eating fast food every day, most people are actually low on Iodine and salt is the easiest way to get it. Stop trying to fuck with people.

[Anonymous No.12661817]

>>12661794
>be MD
>have smoking elderly patients
>their arteries feel like plastic tubing to the touch
>they look like metal tubing from all the calcifications on x-rays.
Yeah bro. Smoke those 5 packs a day for that armored blood vessel buff. Then enjoy the cracking sound as the plaques shatters and sends embolis to your brain when you bend your limbs.

[Anonymous No.12661835]

>>12661147
>waaa happiness is a human right
maybe you should just be happy, retard

[Anonymous No.12661923]

>>12661356
Salt in itself isn't really toxic in small quantities.
The problem stems from blood pressure, which salt contributes to raise.
As long as your pressure is fine you're ok.
Slightly higher HDL alone is actually a very poor indicator of future problems.

[Anonymous No.12661944]

>>12661673
>education of americans
the butter and lard is the fat you should be eating
you need to stop eating refined vegetable oil

[Anonymous No.12662077]

>>12661944
Refined vegetable oils shouldn't even be considered food.

[Anonymous No.12662092]

>>12661944
why do people do this to themselves
this is utterly repulsive

[Anonymous No.12662097]

Omega 3 and PUFAs, if you deny this you are denying well proven scientific facts.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5674268/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2943062/
>b-b-but muh lipid peroxidation and free radicals
GPX4
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3341497/
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fphar.2018.01120/full
Q.E.D

[Anonymous No.12662104]

>>12661104
This is caused by hypothyroidism and metabolism impairment, and by proxy, PUFA. Stop eating PUFA.

[Anonymous No.12662108]

>>12662097
Seething PUFAnigger

[Anonymous No.12662126]

>>12661813
As long as you eat any modern food, you eat too much sodium.
>>12661923
No. It causes protein and fat accumulating in cells. Fat tissue and the epithelial tissue are the most susceptible, but the effect isn't necessarily limited to them.

[Anonymous No.12662128]

>>12662108
my argument is microbiology and biochemistry of lipids, your argument is name calling, blaming jews and showing someone that ate an extremely high amount of PUFAs and still lived to 83. who do you think has a stronger argument?

[Anonymous No.12662129]

>>12661104
Only eat plants

[Anonymous No.12662132]

>>12661147
Imagine still ACTUALLY BELIEVING that the christian right are the ones running the show.

[Anonymous No.12662157]

aspirin and statins

[Anonymous No.12662163]

>>12661944
>eat more saturated fat
>saturated fat can pack more densely, which can cause artery blockage

[Anonymous No.12662175]

>>12662163
>still believes saturated fat is harmful for you
>still believes the human body produces de novo a substance which causes heart disease and metabolic dysfunction to its own self
>still believing this, in 2021

[Anonymous No.12662185]

>>12662129
Good luck getting adequate Omega 3s

[Anonymous No.12662190]

>>12662185
Not difficult at all to get omega 3's on a vegetarian or vegan diet, this is a meme argument.

[Anonymous No.12662196]

Enjoy your thyroidletism and cancer PUFAggers, good to see the scientific establishment is still running on century old deceit and profit today, bye

[Anonymous No.12662213]

>>12661801
>>12661944
>extra virgin olive oil is refined
you really are fucking stupid

[Anonymous No.12662268]

>>12662190
>ALAs
>Omega 3s
You've got to be kidding me

[Anonymous No.12662291]

>>12662175
>>still believes saturated fat is harmful for you
>greentext says "eat more saturated fat", not "eat saturated fat"
>implying I said that any saturated fat is bad

[Anonymous No.12663825]

>>12661147
BASED Moviebob poster

[Anonymous No.12663952]

>>12661104
Just go for a run, holy shit

[Anonymous No.12664029]

>>12662092
faggot

[Anonymous No.12664033]

>>12661104
Never eat PUFA

[Anonymous No.12664070]

>>12661104
if you kill yourself, you will never develop atherosclerosis

[Anonymous No.12665615]

>>12662108
>>12662128
I don't get what you two are arguing about. I thought Ray Peat recommends against PUFAs in favour of saturated fats, sugars, and starches from tubers?

[Anonymous No.12665764]

>>12661104
Avoid saturated and trans-unsaturated triglycerides.

[Anonymous No.12665784]

>>12664029
t. gaylord

[Anonymous No.12665791]

>>12661104
Die

[Anonymous No.12665901]

>>12662126
*endothelial

[Anonymous No.12665909]

>>12662108
Wait, you took the title of a WAP article, and then put a sarcastic response to the WAP underneath it?

[Anonymous No.12665935]

>>12661104
There’s a drug called Vascepa that is game changing in this respect. Look it up

[Anonymous No.12666043]

>>12661115
go back to /pol/

[Anonymous No.12666214]

>>12661115
based schizo poster
>>12661104
eat right and work out, simple as

[Anonymous No.12666319]

>>12665615
i don't even give a shit about raypeat, i posted the research papers that show data and explains pathways of how PUFA minimize the chance of atherosclerosis and aren't dangerous because all mammals have an enzyme that eliminates the free radical that results from the lipid peroxidation (which alternative dieticians/ketoshills NEVER mention). as usual the brainlet shill has no response other than post the same retarded images as counter argument because he can't read

[Anonymous No.12667155]

>>12661115
is it acceptable to reddit space on /sci/ or are there just a bunch of faggots on this board?

[Anonymous No.12667468]

[Anonymous No.12668842]

>>12661104
I have no cholesterol but it turns out that doesn't matter because pushing 370 lbs my heart is freaking out due to sheer circulatory volume.
I think i subconsciously wanted to look different from my family but it backfired because we don't have the genes for gluttonous emperor mode.

[Anonymous No.12669008]

fast

[Anonymous No.12669684]

Intense gay sex

[Anonymous No.12670066]

>>12662175
>>still believes the human body produces de novo a substance which causes heart disease and metabolic dysfunction to its own self
And? It happens after the reproductive age when you're basically useless to the maintaining of population

[Anonymous No.12670398]

don't have carbs as dietary fuel
WOAH< SO HARD

[Anonymous No.12670413]

Don't be a fat fuck

[Anonymous No.12670427]

>>12666319
Are you retarded?
PUFAs make for excessively weak cell walls when implemented in lipid membranes. Eating shit pufas leads to YEAR-LONG risk of oxidation of cell walls leading to chronic inflammation.
Also, don't dismiss without being at least familiar with the argument/information - you're more like a child in kindergarden.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUY_SDhxf4k
www.reddit.com/r/SaturatedFat/comments/evumtm/dr_paul_mason_talks_of_dangers_of_pufa/

[Anonymous No.12672068]

>>12662126
This guy gets it.

[Anonymous No.12672081]

serious cardio, as in not HIIT but long term 1 hour+ cardio
fats that don't oxidize so easily, butter, ghee, coconut, macadamia, avocado etc
green tea, and all those healthy food/supplements that encourage the growth of new veins/plasticity

the idea is, the body does heal these plaques, but it's like healing cartilage, in that both are VERY difficult to heal in practice without constant lifestyle practice to the point where doctors still believe they're impossible/improbable.

[Anonymous No.12672259]

>>12661104
Cut out all PUFAs and replace with saturated fatty acids on a eucaloric diet at a healthy weight (sub-15% bodyfat).

[Anonymous No.12672472]

>>12661104
Don't eat stuff with transfats

[Anonymous No.12673119]

>>12662126
Is there any way to reverse the damage? I ate wayyyy too much salt as a kid and teenager.

[Anonymous No.12673176]

Diet is a meme that means nothing if you're healthy and active (and of course not eating junk 24/7). It's literally all genetic you keks. Some lifetime smokers can live to their 80s while some of the healthiest people can get a sudden random heart attack at 50.

[Anonymous No.12673191]

>>12673176
this
the vast majority oglf non-fat people who die of heart/circulatory problems before 60 are genetically predisposed to them

[Anonymous No.12673194]

>>12661104
You literally cannot unless through surgery. You can change your life style which will make your arteries more efficient at adjusting, but besides that, you're fucked.

You know who's way worse off? Fatties that got their fat cells removed.
If they don't get used to eating less, their remaining fat cells will reach their limits, which will make any excess fat float around in the blood, and it will accelerate plaque development.
It's unironically healthier to get fatter and lose that weight than go through liposuction.

[Anonymous No.12673255]

>>12670427
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUY_SDhxf4k
>www.reddit.com/r/SaturatedFat/comments/evumtm/dr_paul_mason_talks_of_dangers_of_pufa/
not a source and did you even bother to read this post >>12666319 ? the free radical that results from the lipid peroxidation is deadly, it's not minor oxidative damage that accumulates, it's deadly. mammals have an enzyme that deals with this radical, when the gene that codes for this enzymes is removed the animal dies. mason never mentions this and he does the same thing for many other arguments. that's like saying that we should never eat fats because they produce hydrogen peroxide and we should never consume protein because it produces uric acid and ammonia.

[Anonymous No.12673281]

>>12673255
>has citations to well-controlled studies
>not a source.
I don't understand you. You had one chance, and you blew it.
Regarding calling it deadly - people don't die overnight for oxidative stress
Sorry for not reading the entire thread, I can't go on tho, people like the other and you and probably everybody else here is the reason why I work alone. dontbotherreplying

[Anonymous No.12673293]

>>12661147
>He thinks Christians run the show

[Anonymous No.12673305]

>>12673281
>the reason why I work alone.
No, that's because you're insufferable.

[Anonymous No.12674141]

>>12661307
>ketard thinks he found the ultimate solution and everybody else is wrong

[Anonymous No.12674874]

Stop eating fructose, including sugar (and even all carbs if you're overweight).
Stop eating seed oils.
Human metabolism is not evolutionarily adapted for regular consumption of those. They cause all sort of fuckery across the whole body including cardiovascular diseases.
Eat animal fats.*
Eat meat.
Fast. Or at least eat what you eat in less meals per day.
* Fed on animal's natural diet (grass, animals), not high ω-6 grain/onions trash.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZoQiDaWnuE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kGnfXXIKZM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_evJd_iZZzs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofq-8ToY2fc
https://openheart.bmj.com/content/openhrt/1/1/e000032.full.pdf
https://www.docmuscles.com/vascular-plaque-reduction-with-ketogenic-diet-a-case-study/
https://www.ruled.me/the-ketogenic-diet-and-heart-disease/
Even prevents cancer!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUlE1VHGA40

[Anonymous No.12675118]

>>12674874
>Eat animal fats.*
>Eat meat.
I would, but the meat they sell is shit and definitely worse than seed oils. Meat from a good farm/butcher is expensive.

[Anonymous No.12676082]

>>12661104
Artery scraping and acidity increments.

[Anonymous No.12676092]

>>12676082
would coffee work!? !?!??!

[Anonymous No.12676118]

>>12674874
Asians eat everything drenched in sesame and peanut oil and are fine

[Anonymous No.12676130]

>>12661104
Eat less lpl cholesterol.

[Anonymous No.12676151]

>>12661356
>despite the fact that those not ingesting it are perfectly healthy.
If I don't consume enough salt/bananas (not sure how interchangeable electrolytes are, just talking from personal experience), I start to get light muscle spasms, especially during the hot summers when I lose more sweat than usual due to increased sweating.

[Anonymous No.12676946]

>>12676151
I think I know what you mean. You can feel the fat draining away, it is not a spasm.

[Anonymous No.12677045]

>>12676130
No causal link.
No correlation between consumption of saturated fat and CVD

[Anonymous No.12677128]

>>12676082
>Artery scraping
How? Nanobots?

[Anonymous No.12677203]

>>12661104
CURE = VIBRATION

the cure for Peyronies Disease is vibration on the plaque that breaks up the plaque. Using an electric toothbrush is enough

There you have it
Grow heaven on earth

[Anonymous No.12677320]

>>12676118
Asians are a type of buzzing insect

[Anonymous No.12677395]

>>12661104

Eat a lot of vegetables and fiber per week. Reject sugar and fast fats. Use olive iol in your cooking or dont use any at all. Eat fruit twice or thrice per day, using it to deceive yourself whenever you are hungry out of meal hours. Do exercise focused in the movement of your body so you make your blood flow in that goddamn shitty circulatory system wearing that sweet oxygen (sex is specially good doing this). Avoiding coffe or other kind of stimulants is preferable.

In resume stop eating shit and learn healthy cooking. Become a fkcing chad you cunt.

[Anonymous No.12677404]

eating healthy and regular exercise goes a long way

[Anonymous No.12677432]

get rich, get raided, be poor, steal repeat

[Anonymous No.12677602]

>>12661104
Just stop eating garbage and get your body moving.

[Anonymous No.12677661]

>>12661104
HEART FLOSS

[Anonymous No.12677719]

>>12661115
>r*ddit spacing
>hates Jesus Christ our Lord
checks out.

[Anonymous No.12677725]

>>12661104
Don't eat wheat.

[Anonymous No.12677728]

>>12661141

[Anonymous No.12677748]

>>12661104
I still don't understand how we didn't sort this out already. It's literally just some fucking muck

[Anonymous No.12677751]

>>12677748
Anon, that's a mirror.

[Anonymous No.12677859]

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2020/01/nanotherapy-reduces-plaque-buildup-in-mouse-arteries.html

NANOMACHINES SON

[Anonymous No.12678396]

>>12676946
Oh, you are one of the schizos, nevermind.

[Anonymous No.12678780]

>>12678396
Look up lymphatic vessels.

[Anonymous No.12678817]

don't eat carbs

simple as

[Anonymous No.12678822]

>>12661104
Isn't that pleaque just microcrystalline celuose?

[Anonymous No.12678860]

>>12661104
quit being american, i dont fucking know

[Anonymous No.12678913]

>>12661104
>how to stop this
Reduce inflammation.

[Anonymous No.12678915]

>>12678780
Look up a psychiatrist in your area.

[Anonymous No.12678984]

>>12677128
Not poster, but
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.bostonscientific.com/en-US/products/atherectomy-systems/rotational-atherectomy-systems/rotablator.html&ved=2ahUKEwijxqu00NjuAhXcGFkFHWgOAbcQFjAAegQIGhAC&usg=AOvVaw0R4YZ6XmraZnPxff-5AZii

[Anonymous No.12678988]

>>12661104
Stop being fat and do your fucking caesio, ez

[Anonymous No.12679007]

We don't know all the mechanics of atherosclerosis, either the formation of the plaques or their ruptures, but we do know some things. Better diet and exercise helps, but it's not a panacea. Some people are genetically predisposed to higher than necessary bioavailable cholesterol (and other plaque contributors). Sometimes a statin therapy can help, but not always. Anons, remember that atherosclerosis is disease via, with multiple associated contributors and endpoints.

[Anonymous No.12679028]

>>12679007
Why cant I go to the cariologist every 6 months and have them scrape this shit out

[Anonymous No.12679048]

>>12679028
My father actually gets a procedure performed on his legs like a rotor rooter. It's expensive, painful, and can have complications.

[Anonymous No.12679053]

>>12678915
Look up trains in your area.

[Anonymous No.12679056]

>>12679028
1) Cost. A specialized doctor is a cardiologist. A specialized cardiologist is a interventional cardiologist. They're are few (relatively) of these professionals while the majority of the population is afflicted, ergo it cost a lot to have their time.
2) You have miles of vasculature, where exactly would you like it scraped? Typically lesions/plaques are found via a combination of imaging methods, most of which involve radiation.
3) Some lesions are innocuous, and in fact, "treating" them via scrapings or ballonings/stents is still being debated as actually being effective as a long-term whole.
4) It's not a fun procedure, so much so that only if you're having problemsvl would you elect to have this done

[Anonymous No.12679160]

>>12661944

Imagine how tight her pubic floor muscles are.

[Anonymous No.12679275]

:-)

[Anonymous No.12679278]

>>12661944
Sauce?

[Anonymous No.12680767]

Statine
Simple as

[Anonymous No.12680806]

>>12661104
no sugar

[Anonymous No.12680817]

>>12679275
I would

[Anonymous No.12680834]

>>12661104

dont eat animal products

[Anonymous No.12680841]

>>12674874

absolute mong retard. enjoy your diabetes and cvd.

[Anonymous No.12680846]

How to stop this?

[Anonymous No.12680870]

>>12678915
No reason to. Salt causes the fat swelling of cells. No idea what makes you so convinced it cannot be true.

[Anonymous No.12681914]

>>12661944
I drink extra virgin olive oil and it is healthy

You can put it directly to your skin it s great

You can use it to treat wounds

You can even use it for bloodless sacrifices and to bless a newborn child

[Anonymous No.12682201]

>>12661944
who

[Anonymous No.12682283]

It doesn't even exist. It's literally made up to sell more drugs.

[Anonymous No.12682565]

>>12661104
How about removing it.

[Anonymous No.12682714]

>>12661104
inject ethanolic lipase in your bloodstream

[Anonymous No.12684268]

>>12682283
yup

[Anonymous No.12684295]

>>12682283
I mean, you can go in the artery with a scope and see the narrowing or complete blockage.

[Anonymous No.12684842]

>>12661147
mogging this whole virgin board with your chad leddit spacing kek

[Anonymous No.12685226]

>>12661104
Try exercising some. Don't need to rebuild your life or become a body builder, just lift some weights for a bit every day (stretch first), and take longer walks with your dog.

Reducing your intake of soda is a great idea for shedding weight as well, some people drink that stuff every day, which they shouldn't. Not saying you have to give it up, just like, save it for weekends and special occasions, and don't substitute it with sweetened ice tea and stuff because it's much the same.
Your teeth will also thank you in the long run.

>>12661944
Butter is perfectly fine for you, but so is olive oil. Stuff like palm oil is pretty fucking wretched though.

[Anonymous No.12685234]

>>12678984
Wasn't this that nonsense thing which Dahir Insat was hawking a while back?

[Anonymous No.12685564]

Trodusquemine

[Anonymous No.12686174]

>>12685234
Not sure, but there are many versions of debulking, decalcifing, catheters. Most seem to use this mechanical approach, but there are some laser options as well.

[Anonymous No.12687473]

>>12661944
Anon's right,
>>12661673
Refined oils are terrible for your body, they literrally age you on a cellular level.