/sfg/ - Space Flight General

[Anonymous No.12647611]

previous >>12645326

[Anonymous No.12647619]

>>12647611
First NSF thread where Starhopper appears

>https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=46406.340

[Anonymous No.12647640]

>>12647611

[Anonymous No.12647649]

Had to be me. Someone else might have gotten it wrong.

[Anonymous No.12647679]

Scenerio: It's 2009 and President Obama appoints you NASA administrator. You're given $250 billion and 10 years to build a super-heavy lift vehicle using Shuttle-derived technology. Using the vehicle, you must design a series of Moon missions that end with a permanent Lunar base. What kind of vehicle and mission profile would you create?

[Anonymous No.12647683]

>>12647679
2 stage rocket
F-1Bs on first stage
RS-25s on second
No SRBs required

[Anonymous No.12647686]

>>12647679
I would pocket the money and contract out to boeing so everyone gets paid and we can always ask for more money with absolutely no result. Good idea? Could I get away with it?

[Anonymous No.12647689]

>>12647679
SPEND IT ALL ON JWST!!!!

[Anonymous No.12647692]

>>12647679
also take all your most skilled engineering staff an make them devote themselves to JWST at the expense of all other initiatives

[Anonymous No.12647695]

[Anonymous No.12647705]

>>12647683
Any reusabilty? Maybe a flyback first stage?

[Anonymous No.12647708]

>>12647689
>>12647692
Based and JWSTpilled. With that kind of budget, it'd be sure to launch by no later than 2050.

[Anonymous No.12647716]

>>12647679
Taller larger diameter first stage, outer ring of ~8 RS-25s which drop into the sea in a stage-and-a-half configuration.

[Anonymous No.12647722]

>>12647695
>tfw starship will never sit on your face
Why keep living?

[Anonymous No.12647749]

gonna be insane watching something larger than the Saturn V yeet itself off the pad

[Anonymous No.12647751]

>>12647679
Literally just Shuttle C and Commercial Crew.

[Anonymous No.12647759]

>>12647751
So Energia but worse?

[Anonymous No.12647761]

>>12647679
Scrap everything that isn't commercial crew and JPL. Announce NASA is getting out of the rocket building game as private contractors are more efficient. Offer the 250 billion as a prize for the first private company to demonstrate heavy lift capability.

[Anonymous No.12647764]

>>12647679
>>12647751
Shuttle-C all the way. Flies by 2014 too

[Anonymous No.12647765]

>>12647749
>The Starship does not like being on Earth
>Observe, as it gets away as quickly as possible

[Anonymous No.12647766]

>>12647695
Mexican welders. In a field.

[Anonymous No.12647776]

>>12647766
ITAR

[Anonymous No.12647779]

>>12647679
I absorb the money using my massive oldspace balls and then ask for more

[Anonymous No.12647788]

>>12647679
This >>12647683
Especially if I have carte blanche to organize the specifics of contracts.
For starters all contracts at every step of the program are only pay on delivery with required performance metrics and timelines outlined long in advance.
The rocket will be:
16/14x75m first stage booster running 8xF1-B engines, Pyrios booster program absorbed immediately alongside some companies knowledgeable in 3D design, complex modeling and the most modern machining techniques to ensure engines are cheap, fast to build, reliable and optimized.
Inexpensive stainless steel will be chosen for the body of the booster after a study indicates it's excellent performance at cryogenic temperatures, the ease at which it can be worked, and it's extraordinarily competitive cost per kg. It is decided that due to the immense wet mass of the rocket that a small sacrifice of dry mass by using steel is worth it's other benefits.
As early as possible a contract will be placed to create the world's largest dishing press to create bulkheads for the rocket.
The upper stage will be a 14/12x50m running 4 or 6 RS-25X SSME derived engines, these will be complete remodernizations of the RS-25 build to meet or exceed the RS-25 in every metric while vastly simplifying and economizing it in every possible way. To ensure that some viable second stage engine is sure to arise, I will pit P&W Rocketdyne against industry upstart and newcomer SpaceX and their ambitious but still unrealized Raptor engine no-bid-contract race to deliver me a powerful, economical, and reliable engine.
The intended payload for this rocket will start at 200mT with two planned steps for uprating to 225 and then 250mT.
Both stages will use forms of SMART to recover their completely intact thrust structure and engines, while the cheap stainless steel tanks may be discarded without undue financial pains.

[Anonymous No.12647795]

>>12647788
you need to pay off the Utah senators though

[Anonymous No.12647800]

>>12647795
If I have 250BN dollars I'll literally pay them to fuck off, the rocket itself will be cheap compared to the politics anyways.

[Anonymous No.12647804]

>>12647800
yeah that's what I was thinking, just pay them to build and test SRB technology off on their own

[Anonymous No.12647817]

>>12647571
that's woods170, he's an insider
if he's militant against something it's because it's true

[Anonymous No.12647819]

>>12647749
>1.5 T/W is fast
what's the typical ratio?

[Anonymous No.12647827]

>>12647819
1.3, the Saturn V was even slower

[Anonymous No.12647829]

>>12647819
1.1 to 1.2

[Anonymous No.12647851]

>>12647759
80% of the capability of SLS for 20% of the development cost. If Congress won't let me build the Saturn V clone NASA had pitted against the SLS team, I might as well make do.

[Anonymous No.12647856]

>>12647749
What other rockets would have similarly high T/W ratios? ICBM derivatives like Titan?

[Anonymous No.12647862]

>>12647804
Basically, I'll just give them fixed ten year contracts to keep their employees happy for the development cycle, with some excuse as to why it doesn't seem like the Jupiter rocket will be using any of it. "Oh well we're still strongly considering SRBs to further uprate the payload in the future, don't sweat it, here's your cut of the budget pie."
Even if the development was ten times as inefficient as Starship/Superheavy's is projected to be, that's still only like 40BN, almost all of it can be used to expedite things which would normally be sluggish, eliminate bureaucratic roadblocks, drum up public support, etc. Carve out another 20BN for habitat development, a completely new space suit, flight suit, etc, and that's 190BN left to throw around. I'd be aiming to cut launch cost to a third of the Saturn V, so about 400 mil a shot, so another five billion off the top to pay for the first dozen launches, and reflights will be cheaper by 60%+/- thanks to SMART saving the most expensive parts of the rocket.

[Anonymous No.12647869]

>>12647804
>Ares 1, but as a Commercial Cargo backup option, maybe with a Cygnus on top

[Anonymous No.12647878]

>>12647640
Lies. SN9 will always be our friend .

[Anonymous No.12647882]

>>12647869
They originally planned to have three types of Orion flying, each on Ares I. Type I would carry crew. Type II would basically be a cargo version of the first one (like Crew Dragon V2 vs Cargo Dragon V2) while Type III would put a Cygnus on the Orion service module.

[Anonymous No.12647893]

>>12647882
Wait so why was it shitcanned
>muh vibration
>muh 100% fraticide
who cares, it's cargo

[Anonymous No.12647902]

>>12647893
Orion turned out to be pretty expensive. They originally planned for like five to six Ares I flights per year (2 Crew to ISS launches, 2 or 3 cargo ISS launches, 1 Lunar sortie), but it turned out that shit cost a lot of money. They eventually cancelled the cargo Orions in favor of commercial cargo (which meant only 3 Ares I’s launch per year). This was further down selected when Constellation removed the ISS from its long term plans, meaning only 1 Ares I/Orion would fly per year by the time the program ended.

Would’ve loved to see it fly though.

[Anonymous No.12647906]

>>12647856
fastboi is Sprint. It was an antiballistic missile. Built to launch from a hardened silo and fly up to 19 mile altitude and detonate a small nuclear bomb to destroy incoming ICBMs after they'd entered the atmosphere.
It accelerated at 100g, reaching mach 10 in 5 second.
[math]
Thrust: 674,400 lbf
[/math]

[math]
Weight: 7,400 lb
[/math]

[math]
TWR: 91
[/math]

[Anonymous No.12647907]

>>12647902
Ngl, I think it would be metal as fuck to ride what's essentially an ICBM into orbit. I would totally sign up for that.

[Anonymous No.12647913]

>>12647907
https://youtu.be/rQ-UFKxDq5o

[Anonymous No.12647914]

>>12647906
That's the one that melted its own ablative nose into a fireball by going so fast, right?

[Anonymous No.12647915]

>>12647906
>similarly high
>100G
I think Sprint is a little bit faster than Starship, I wanted to go find videos of a similarly thrusty rocket to get a mental comparison

[Anonymous No.12647917]

Is that the foundation for the launch tower?

[Anonymous No.12647923]

>>12647913
Alright,
Whats the most "kerbal" real life rocket design?
Bonus points for people actually flying on it.

[Anonymous No.12647926]

>>12647679
Ares 1 and Ares 5.

[Anonymous No.12647931]

>>12647923

[Anonymous No.12647932]

>>12647923
Definitely Proton
>Ivan we haven’t unlocked the 5 meter wide first stage yet!
>It’s ok Vladimir. Let’s just cluster the 2 meter tanks around the 4 meter tank and call it even.
>Oh so like as boosters?
>No the entire first stage is clustered.

[Anonymous No.12647938]

>>12647931
Bonus points

[Anonymous No.12647945]

>>12647932
SOUL
To think that railroad size needs to be taken into account when building rockets is insane

[Anonymous No.12647950]

>>12647917
Those concrete walls are awfully close to the orbital launch mount.

[Anonymous No.12647952]

>>12647945
>12647945
Most, if not all, large rockets and planes have to deal with this. Even in the US. Boeing planes are restricted by a train that runs through Washington. All NASA rockets are restricted to the barge that can carry them through the panama canal, and restricted to the launch site infrastructure too I guess if you want to count that

[Anonymous No.12647959]

>>12647952
The fuck is going on with my keyboard today. This was for >>12647945 you (you)

[Anonymous No.12647965]

[Anonymous No.12647966]

>>12647965
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jlsh7r5tzh8

[Anonymous No.12647967]

https://youtu.be/t9eybY9qFfY

[Anonymous No.12648012]

I'm going to start posting this every time Starship hops or launches for test flights
https://youtu.be/w7J2Nnl7Ano

[Anonymous No.12648019]

>>12647923
>>12647932
See also: Saturn I

[Anonymous No.12648026]

>>12648019
>Hey let's just cluster redstone stages around a jupiter tank
Inexplicably based

[Anonymous No.12648095]

>>12647902
How did Ares I end up so expensive anyways? It's literally just an SRB, how do you fuck it up that badly?

[Anonymous No.12648103]

>>12647952
Why don't they just centralize all production to Florida so they don't have to deal with those restrictions?

[Anonymous No.12648105]

>>12648026
also
>it's not stable? just use 8x symmetry and attach a bunch of fins to the bottom

[Anonymous No.12648108]

>>12648095
It used an extended version of the shuttle SRB. Apparently this little difference meant that the nozzle and much of the internal work had to be totally redesigned. It also used a large cryogenic upper stage that is similar in size to the Delta IV’s first stage. Lastly, the upper stage engine apparently cost as much as an SSME/RS-25

[Anonymous No.12648122]

[Anonymous No.12648132]

>>12647765
>fuck urf

[Anonymous No.12648139]

>>12647906
>100g

Hory shet

[Anonymous No.12648161]

>>12648103
You'd think that would be smart, but NASA divvies out contracts across the country
>>12648105
Yeah they went full Kerbal. "Just iterate the kitbash rocket until it works"

[Anonymous No.12648180]

>>12648108
Hydromeme - not even once.

[Anonymous No.12648185]

>>12647926
Why the fuck do they have the same name

[Anonymous No.12648198]

If we got a water tower with insulation and a bulkhead inside, how long would it take us to build a heavy lift rocket?

[Anonymous No.12648203]

>>12648198
Hardest part is the engines really. Everything else is just a fuel tank and needs to at least be able to hold the fuel of your choice, and stay welded together strong enough for internal and external pressures

[Anonymous No.12648204]

>>12648185
it's like naming your vehicles obama prism 1-5 or Atlas 3 and Atlas 4

[Anonymous No.12648208]

>>12648185
I've never thought of that, it is pretty stupid. I guess it could have been worse: Ares 1 and Ares 2 would have been souless. Still, better than "space launch system"

[Anonymous No.12648217]

>>12648208
space transportation system

[Anonymous No.12648219]

>>12648203
We could always try for a vortex cooled engine so it could skimp on the combustion chamber material, if a good drilling jig can be built

[Anonymous No.12648225]

Will O'Neill cylinders ever become a reality?

[Anonymous No.12648227]

>>12648217
"Starship"

[Anonymous No.12648236]

>>12648227
big fucking rocket

[Anonymous No.12648237]

>>12648103
A surprise benefit of E2E cargo Starship is being to hop payloads over the Rockies so that stops being a factor for reusable craft.

[Anonymous No.12648238]

>>12648225
There is currently one (1) (one) company seriously considering them, and who have money. And this company hasn't even been to orbit in 20 years. So I think the answer is no

[Anonymous No.12648240]

>>12648217
based
>>12648227
cringe

[Anonymous No.12648242]

>>12648225
Probably once or twice
They’re good for space cities and if equipped with a magnetic field generator and sitting at L1, they’d be superb at maintaining a terraformed planet/spaceport
A good sized one with a good drive system could be used as an interstellar ship to colonize other systems

[Anonymous No.12648248]

>>12648225
Not for awhile yet. You need a lot of existing infrastructure in space to start building projects on that scale. First you're going to see small habitats in gravity wells; Mars bases, Ceres base, moon bases, etc. Then you'll start to see smaller spin stations inside asteroids. Then you'll see small free orbiting spin stations like the Von Braun station or those sphere stations. O'Neill cylinders will be the final stage in that progression.

I also suspect that the first true interstellar colonization effort will be basically a small-ish O'Neill cylinder with some kind of exotic nuclear propulsion strapped to it and set up as a generation ship. Maybe even do something Rama style where it's just DNA in a computer bank and an AI starts pumping out humans anywhere it finds habitable worlds.

[Anonymous No.12648254]

>>12648248
One reason why transhumanist shit is so cool; if we cure aging, those generation ships will become just ships.

[Anonymous No.12648255]

>>12648225
Absolutely.
>>12648248
Von Braun-esque stations will be after Mars and Moon bases. Definitely not after stations inside of asteroids or Ceres bases.

[Anonymous No.12648256]

>>12647679
Shuttle-C with 2/4 SRBs and a firm fixed price RS-25 contract (NO GRAVE ROBBING) for heavy cargo. Revival of Shuttle-C-Centaur for deep space high energy trajectories. CRS and Commercial Crew with absolutely no Boing! involvement. Northrop-Grumman creates an inert cargo pod form factor standard based on the Cygnus XL pressure vessel in exchange for development assistance replacing the NK-33 with a domestic kerolox engine.

[Anonymous No.12648264]

>>12648254
You're gonna have a real fucking hard time finding people to sign up for a Methuselah ship.

>I know it's a 5000 year journey but bro you don't age lmao

Fuck that

[Anonymous No.12648266]

>>12648236
OmegA

[Anonymous No.12648271]

>>12648264
If transhumanist magic is on the table, biologically slow down their perceived time 100x and give them fifty years worth of media, both study material and otherwise. Flip them back to normal speed on arrival.

[Anonymous No.12648279]

It's over SLS bros...

[Anonymous No.12648284]

thread song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnwKeiJflBw

[Anonymous No.12648287]

>>12648279
>Space roaches

[Anonymous No.12648289]

>>12648284
I agree with this. I've been listening to a ton of blade runner music recently

[Anonymous No.12648290]

>>12648279
Post yfw roach launch system makes orbit before SLS

[Anonymous No.12648300]

>>12648284
I really hope they know what they're doing putting them so close together.

[Anonymous No.12648301]

>>12648290
I wanted to go with the columbia mission control at first but I felt too guilty to post it

[Anonymous No.12648302]

>>12648300
They're side boosters for 18m SSTO Starship.

[Anonymous No.12648307]

>>12648300
look at the fucking cars
the size of those ships jesus fuck

[Anonymous No.12648308]

>>12648302
ITS goes in the middle

[Anonymous No.12648311]

>>12648248
>first true interstellar colonization effort
When it becomes common to just be born and live and die in O'Neil cylinders some will eventually say "fuck orbiting this useless sun, might as well set off to the stars"

[Anonymous No.12648312]

>>12648307
Yeah, Starship is stupidly large. Almost pointlessly large. It's actually perfectly sized for large space telescopes to examine exoplanets, but for every other mundane use it's oversized. He's really only building this to make Mars happen, and then hoping that nobody else has the guts to match him with a vehicle sized more appropriately for the market.

[Anonymous No.12648313]

>>12647679
Build Starship but take the cupholders from the Shittle so we can claim it's "shuttle-derived".

[Anonymous No.12648315]

>>12648311
Once it's common to live your whole life in an artificial habitat (on Mars) there's very little preventing people from white flighting out into space colonies

[Anonymous No.12648318]

>>12648312
rideshare flights my dude

[Anonymous No.12648321]

>>12648242
>maintaining a terraformed planet
Reminder that terraforming is mental illness and terraformed planets will never be real Earths.

[Anonymous No.12648325]

>>12647965
>>12647966
this can't possibly be real

[Anonymous No.12648326]

>>12648312
it's not too large though, once there's a true commercial market in space it'll always be better to lug as much shit as possible off this planet and in that regard the bigger the better

[Anonymous No.12648327]

>>12648321
When will we be able to increase Mars's gravity to 1g?

[Anonymous No.12648332]

wasn't there a Starlink launch happening tomorrow?

[Anonymous No.12648334]

>kisses (you)

[Anonymous No.12648336]

>>12648300
they're buddies :)

[Anonymous No.12648345]

>>12648300
>I'm putting together a team...

[Anonymous No.12648347]

>>12648334
>hairline
>still getting married
what’s the secret bros? Will I ever get a tradmars gf?

[Anonymous No.12648351]

>>12648347
cash money

[Anonymous No.12648352]

>>12648347
the "secret" is thousands in superchats every stream

[Anonymous No.12648354]

>>12647906
Raptor engines supposedly get 500,000 lbf and weigh 3300 lbs.
So if you made a propellant tank + propellant weighing 2200 lbs you’d get the same twr as sprint.

[Anonymous No.12648362]

>>12648352
There are kids out there steaming fortnite and twerking on tik tok and they make more money in a day than I do in a month. Why do we even live

[Anonymous No.12648364]

>>12648354
how the hell did Sprint get a T/W ratio so fucking high
Solids?

[Anonymous No.12648366]

>>12648312
It's large and yet cheaper than everything else anyway

[Anonymous No.12648377]

>>12648362
I don't know. Aside from spacex there's nothing to look forward to. Everything else in the world is gay and retarded

[Anonymous No.12648385]

>>12648362
There won't be any twerking on Mars, except perhaps in a private capacity.

[Anonymous No.12648386]

Is Musk genetically incapable of making a payload fairing that isn't garbage relative to the size of the rocket?
>entire payload section is curved
>single giant door that limits mobility
>once more it's pathetically short

[Anonymous No.12648388]

>>12648312
They’ll either fill the remaining payload capacity with paid rideshare customers, spacex project crap (starlink), or propellant to put in orbit. If your customers’ payloads were built to go on old launchers they’ll use a tiny fraction of starship capacity. Those extra tons will let a massive propellant depot get filled fast. I imagine spacex will then sell orbital propellants to customers— recharge your satellites or fill up before a long trip!

[Anonymous No.12648392]

>>12648386
it's like ten meters tall before it starts curving, that's fine

[Anonymous No.12648396]

>>12648386
>entire payload section is curved
u wot

[Anonymous No.12648399]

>>12648364
Yep, solids. The missile couldn’t see because it’s surface would glow white hot so they needed to use ground based radar to guide it to its target icbm. They used a massive, powerful radio beam to penetrate the plasma sheath that the missile created from getting so hot in the thick atmosphere

[Anonymous No.12648400]

>>12648396
isn't it almost half the height of the rocket as well?

[Anonymous No.12648404]

hybergolig solids :DD

[Anonymous No.12648417]

>>12647856
>What other rockets would have similarly high T/W ratios? ICBM derivatives like Titan?
The Minotaur/Cygnus really gets off the pad in a hurry.

[Anonymous No.12648418]

>>12648404
hybergaulinen geroziinihalliddu kiindeäbolddoainevaihe :DDD

[Anonymous No.12648419]

>2021
>we're STILL relying on Big Meme Rockets for space exploration instead of assembling interplanetary ships in orbit
We're never gonna get a gravity ring, are we bros

[Anonymous No.12648420]

>>12648386
(you)

[Anonymous No.12648421]

>>12648325
Japs are a different breed.
And fuck kellog.

[Anonymous No.12648425]

>>12648418
Is that one of those meme solids that uses the weird fuel injection system for pseudo-gimbaling?

[Anonymous No.12648426]

>>12648419
Shelby has been out of power less than a month, anon. Give it time.

[Anonymous No.12648427]

>>12648418
seriously how much do those little crayola boosters even help?

[Anonymous No.12648428]

>>12648425
it's a photoshop, anon
one of the few blessings left to the world is that Finland doesn't have space launch capability

[Anonymous No.12648429]

>>12648425
>>12648427

the four little booster looking things are the kerosene-fueled gimballing system.
The first stage is literally just a massive SRB, kinda ingenious

[Anonymous No.12648430]

>>12648417
And Tsyklon, Dnepr and Start.

[Anonymous No.12648431]

>>12648429
uh

[Anonymous No.12648432]

>>12648427

[Anonymous No.12648435]

>>12648429
Oh. Well why the fuck do you need some dumb injector system if other SRB’s don’t need them. Like the Ares I-X launch could could at least turn. It didn’t need stupid vector system sewn on to its ass

[Anonymous No.12648437]

>>12648431
How did they only realize the very obvious flaws *after* spending years developing it and launching one?

[Anonymous No.12648440]

>>12648437
It was the OG sls. Never intended to fly. It was just meant to be a paper rocket sucking up contacts. They had to show some progress so they threw it together for a useless test flight.

[Anonymous No.12648442]

>>12648437
To be fair it was made before KSP

[Anonymous No.12648443]

>>12648426
Even starship follows the big meme design tho
We should be building the Nautilus X, not trying to cram everything in an epic tin can that's trying to be 4 different things at once. It would be useful for cargo, but trying to make it the basis of crewed missions is another case of trying to hammer a square into a round hole.

[Anonymous No.12648448]

>>12648442
I’ve never seen this photo before. You know to be honest, it wasn’t such a bad idea. Assuming they could have fixed the shaking, it could have been a relatively cheap way to get to orbit after shuttle. That is, assuming Northrop wouldn’t magically double the price for the SRB after the shuttle program ended which I’m sure is exactly what they did

[Anonymous No.12648449]

Must be a pretty spooky job to craw inside of an SRB

[Anonymous No.12648454]

>>12648443
>He’s a ferry-to-mars anon
>He’s a nautilus X lover as well
Based and practicalpilled

[Anonymous No.12648456]

>>12648443
>Even starship follows the big meme design tho
That's because the square cube law lets you get away with a hell of a lot as the rocket gets bigger. Smaller rockets will always be more expensive per kg.

[Anonymous No.12648458]

>>12648448
https://images.nasa.gov/search-results?q=ares&page=1&media=image&yearStart=1920&yearEnd=2021

[Anonymous No.12648459]

>>12648443
Starship is trying to be two things at once, anon
it's trying to be a high delta-v rocket and also an atmospheric reentry vehicle, which is all you need for a reusable rocket
the whole Mars thing is almost incidental in the design

[Anonymous No.12648460]

>>12648449
I drop a cigarette in there, what happens?

[Anonymous No.12648464]

>>12648460
I'm not sure if that's enough to ignite the fuel, and I don't think an uneven ignition like that would be pretty

[Anonymous No.12648466]

>>12648458
To be honest, this is probably the ONE rocket that would actually benefit from an orange tank color scheme, aesthetically speaking

[Anonymous No.12648467]

>>12648460
those things'll kill ya

[Anonymous No.12648469]

figured it out, that Finland rocket is a recolored Indian PSLV

[Anonymous No.12648471]

>>12648469
Aaaahhhh that’s where I’ve seen that photo before

[Anonymous No.12648478]

>>12648460
Apparently shuttle SRBs use a pyrotechnic charge to ignite, so they might not go off from a wimpy cigarette

[Anonymous No.12648482]

>>12648469
>First stage is a huge SRB, the largest ever flown
>two of the small tanks strapped to the side are storage tanks for the liquid TVC injection bullshit
>they have monomethylhydrazine/mixed oxides of nitrogen roll control bipropellant RCS thrusters strapped to the bottom of them
jesus

[Anonymous No.12648486]

Why do people hate Ares I? What's wrong with it?
No meme answers like "*vibrates your astronauts into soup*" or "hullo everybody, this rocket is upside down."

[Anonymous No.12648487]

>>12648478
Yeah they do, the charges have backups that are removed literally right before flight. I wonder if it somehow ignited in this configuration, while still open, what it would look like. Would it be any similar to how the SRB’s normally fire? Would it just explode all at once? Would it burn in all directions and just be one giant firecracker?

[Anonymous No.12648489]

>>12648482
Sounds like it belongs in the Ganges

[Anonymous No.12648490]

>>12648466
In all white it's a sperm cell.

[Anonymous No.12648491]

>>12648486
I fucking hate fireworks
also it's meme overpriced oldspace bullshit

[Anonymous No.12648494]

>>12648486
hullo everybody, this rocket vibrates your astronauts upside down into soup

[Anonymous No.12648495]

>>12648487
I mean failsafes, not backups. It’s late and my mind is running on fumes
>>12648486
I am an Ares enjoyer. The vibrations are kind of a big deal. Not to mention the fact that the launch escape system is useless

[Anonymous No.12648501]

>remove actuating fins
>remove entire aft section
>replace with deployable grid fins at the top and a raptor-aerospike with build in heat shield at the bottom
>no more need for meme teen try and landing maneuvers
>no more need to lug around 3 useless engines to Mars that will be used for a total of 10 seconds
There, I fixed it.

[Anonymous No.12648504]

>>12648495
>Not to mention the fact that the launch escape system is useless
That's about par for US crew launchers then.

[Anonymous No.12648505]

>>12648494

[Anonymous No.12648507]

>>12648501
Would it be better to use 3 smaller aerospikes, or go with the aeroass idea of one giant spike

[Anonymous No.12648508]

>>12648501
needs more surface area, it's too narrow for that idea to work in 9m

[Anonymous No.12648510]

>>12648504
Does the SLS LES even work? How are you supposed to clear a rocket with two fuckhuge SRB’s without burning your parachutes, or flying through a lovely scented SRB plume

[Anonymous No.12648512]

>Muh R&D
I don’t buy this argument. What is actually stopping Musk from making an aerospike engine?

[Anonymous No.12648514]

>>12648510
Its shuttle derived, launch escape isn't important.

[Anonymous No.12648517]

https://youtu.be/EfOQIZaU32U

[Anonymous No.12648519]

>>12648486
It would maybe have been okay for cargo launches

[Anonymous No.12648520]

>>12648510
Don't they have some retarded plan to self-destruct the SRBs mid flight if they need to abort?

[Anonymous No.12648526]

>>12648520
This rocket’s seriously gonna kill people isn’t it? I would rather fly on SN9 than trust my life to the orange deathtrap

[Anonymous No.12648528]

>haha SLS is so dangerous i bet it can't even abor-

[Anonymous No.12648529]

>>12648512
aerospikes are bad

[Anonymous No.12648531]

>>12648526
Did they ever actually fix the issue with the Challenger SRBs? I don't remember if they did or if they just did what they did with Columbia and quietly realize they couldn't fix it and just hope it didn't happen again.

[Anonymous No.12648534]

>>12648528
Unironically moving the goalpost here but SS is allowed to be dangerous. It’s made in a field and they are launching tons of them at a time for low cost. SLS is inexcusable because they spend billions upon billions and take years, the whole POINT being “it must be safe and ready to go out of the factory!”, yet it is neither ready to go nor safe

[Anonymous No.12648541]

>>12648529
>aerospikes are bad

Well so... Like, the problem with aero-... So. If anyone could like... SHOW us that this is, that aerospike is like... The reasonable thing we'd be like... WOW! Like PLEASE show us, yeah? So yeah, It'd be awesome if the aerospike would be the way to go, so... Yeh.

[Anonymous No.12648546]

>>12648541
Please stop.

[Anonymous No.12648547]

>>12648528
Ejector seats.

[Anonymous No.12648549]

>>12648541
read it dot com

[Anonymous No.12648552]

The Energia was the greatest rocket to ever fly and its derivatives were all far ahead of their time. Prove me wrong.

[Anonymous No.12648554]

>>12648528
Dying on a Starship is different than dying on an SLS, idiot

[Anonymous No.12648557]

>>12648552
what derivatives lol

[Anonymous No.12648556]

>>12648547
>t. NASA in 1981

[Anonymous No.12648559]

>>12648557

[Anonymous No.12648561]

>>12648552
>only says facts and correct statements
>”prove me wrong”
I don’t have to prove anything. Energia was based

[Anonymous No.12648565]

>>12648556
>Nasa in 1964

[Anonymous No.12648566]

>>12648559
I totally forgot about the Zenit. Wish they flew it more often. It’s not retired right?

[Anonymous No.12648578]

>>12648566
I don't think so. It's sad to see it relegated to sea launch memes when it was built to replace Proton. The breakup of the USSR really set back space flight by at least a decade.

[Anonymous No.12648584]

>>12648531
They added a third O-ring for extra redundancy.

[Anonymous No.12648585]

>>12648578
>by at least a decade.
Closer to three decades

[Anonymous No.12648587]

>>12648578
multiple decades

[Anonymous No.12648589]

>>12648561
Honesty Russia really punches above their weight when it comes to launch vehicles. They come up with some amazing stuff that in the end gets screwed over by politics or other stupid shit.

[Anonymous No.12648607]

>>12648587
>>12648585
>tfw ywn live in the timeline where a successfully reformed USSR has built Mir 2 and a lunar base with reusable rockets and NASA is driven to build the Nautilus X to compete

[Anonymous No.12648634]

>>12648529
fite me irl

[Anonymous No.12648644]

>>12647952

[Anonymous No.12648648]

I think this is from Bob's shuttle days based solely on the ugly shirt and primitive tech on his leg.

[Anonymous No.12648650]

>>12648644
average 737 max landing

[Anonymous No.12648653]

will there ever truly be a place someone could fuck off to to guarantee absolute isolation from earth?
the communication delay even on the outer moons seems too short to be insurmountable administration-wise, so it's still theoretically possible a zog government could administrate the entire system
is alpha centauri the last hope?

[Anonymous No.12648654]

>>12648648
>BOB

[Anonymous No.12648658]

>>12647906
Based. Sprint is my favourite missile.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msXtgTVMcuA

[Anonymous No.12648670]

>>12648308
>>12648302
>>12648300

[Anonymous No.12648676]

>>12648528
I reckon Starship could end up having decent abort modes. Maybe not as good as a traditional escape tower, but a lot better than the shuttle.
If Superheavy automatically shuts down and Starship lights all 6 engines it could pull away from the booster and perform a return to landing site or abort to orbit. As Falcon 9 showed it could likely even perform a soft landing into the water and survive.

[Anonymous No.12648711]

[Anonymous No.12648805]

>>12648318
rideshare flights to Mars orbit

[Anonymous No.12648819]

>>12648676
Abort modes will have to be re-evaluated as a concept once the realization that the most dangerous part of the journey is not the ascent but rather the actual journey across the solar system. Even small single engine private airplanes don't have ejection seats.

[Anonymous No.12648824]

>>12648386
Something's off about this image the payload bay seems really small.

[Anonymous No.12648829]

>>12648824
why are payload door images always at a funky angle that foreshortens the whole thing?

[Anonymous No.12648832]

So is the SN9 test happening today???

[Anonymous No.12648835]

>>12648832
Does the FAA work on Sunday?

[Anonymous No.12648849]

>>12648832
Never on the weekends, new frog

[Anonymous No.12648858]

>>12648832
https://youtu.be/28EAWlOXrYs?t=20

[Anonymous No.12648897]

[Anonymous No.12648898]

>>12648897
lol

[Anonymous No.12648902]

>>12648897
>Elon goes nuclear
Not like this

[Anonymous No.12648924]

>>12648541
SpaceX stans BTFO

[Anonymous No.12648982]

>>12648486
They were given billions of dollars and 5 years and they ended up with nothing other than “Orion too heavy oops, can’t scale our solid”
Meanwhile the Ares V never left the drawing board

Wish I worked at NASA

[Anonymous No.12648990]

>Apparently the Chinese Space Station Core Module, Tianhe, arrived at Wenchang today by ship

[Anonymous No.12648992]

>>12648990
https://twitter.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/1355827898087665667

[Anonymous No.12648996]

>>12648819
How much of the retarded Space Shuttle design was based on needing to be supposedly able to abort whenever...

Meanwhile they didn’t even abort when the Solid was venting gasses for like 20 seconds straight

[Anonymous No.12649005]

>>12647856
Falcon Heavy has 1.6 and F9 1.4

[Anonymous No.12649006]

>>12648996
As if they even realized it was blasting a hole in the fuel tank. The shuttle was a fucking death trap, doubly so back in the early days.

[Anonymous No.12649012]

Space flight General huh? I guess you all won't mind if I post this here.

[Anonymous No.12649014]

>>12649012
This too

[Anonymous No.12649016]

>>12649012
This as well

[Anonymous No.12649021]

>>12649012

so, IIRC the alcubierre drive needs a negative enrgy density to work, which hasn't been shown to exist. Miguel himself claims you could use the Casimir effect to do this, but AFAIK the Casimir effect only creates an energy density that's less than the vacuum energy, not actually negative. is Alcubierre a brainlet or am I misunderstanding something?

[Anonymous No.12649027]

>>12649016
>>12649014
>>12649012
spaceflight general, not theoretical physics general. Back to discord with you

[Anonymous No.12649043]

>>12647679
>AJ-260 solid first stage
>RS-25 second stage
It's not great but having use shittle bits kind of fucks it from the start.

[Anonymous No.12649047]

>>12648315
Unironically true. When the entire cosmos gets blown wide open by the generation of a culture used to living in space habitats, racial segregation will reach levels never seen before in human history. There will be entire multi-star empires with pure Scottish descent, 99.99% red hair blue eyes fair skin. Shit like that. Probably not very many successful Congolese colonies.

[Anonymous No.12649048]

>>12648347
Money and having had a very healthy social life starting from kindergarten all the way through college. Also a dick that is above average and works.

[Anonymous No.12649052]

>>12648364
Solids with a fuel binder that inhibited combustion rates as little as possible. Technically you could go way higher than Sprint's TWR but it would start to look more and more like a bomb going off than an engine firing. If you made a solid fuel grain out of a solid oxidizer and a metal powder, with no rubberized binder separating the two, the shit would pretty much detonate when you ignited it.

[Anonymous No.12649054]

>>12648386
Lol this render puts the nose cone directly on top of the propellant tanks, in reality there's a ~9 meter long straight batter section before the cone starts.

[Anonymous No.12649055]

>>12648400
Yup. Starship is like 40% payload bay by volume, which is crazy considering the vehicle has ~6 km/s in the tanks even with a 150 ton payload. That other anon is just retarded.

[Anonymous No.12649056]

>>12648419
What is a gravity ring anon? Too many space concepts use the same fucking terms. Do you mean centripetal artificial G? Do you mean an Orbital Ring launch system? Do you mean a super-rotating Ringworld? Fucking rings man

[Anonymous No.12649061]

>>12648437
The problems would be obvious to anyone who has ever worked with rockets.
The only conclusion I can draw is that they proposal they made was designed to look attractive to congress on purpose while secretly being a hugely flawed design that would cause them to start running into problems which would require more money and time to solve, thus dragging out the program slowly and painfully.
This backfired on them because of how good a job they did at hiding flaws, the design turned out so shitty that even congress became disillusioned and shut it down.
The only reasonable alternative is that due to years of bloat and employee turnover, literally all of the talent and skill left the industry, and the remaining organization was a zombified husk of itself.
Personally I think both are true, the management became bent on securing government money and devolved into gib goblins, meanwhile the engineer base that this management gave orders to had been replaced with engineering graduates who had never touched a billet of aluminum in their lives. The process is similar to the replacement of the amazingly complex and synergistic tissues of a living organism with vague parodies of the former built from calcium carbonate crystals, over tens of thousands of years of fossilization.

[Anonymous No.12649068]

Is the New Glenn coming out anytime soon, and when it eventually does, will it mog tf out of any other spacecraft out there? Think about it
>biggest cargo capacity
>actually relies on thoroughly tested technology
>will have an abort system
>will make manned flights become absolute frivolities in the grand scheme of spaceflight
>isn't owned by (((Elon))) M*sk
>it's oldspace approach most likely means government support towards it
What i state is true and you know it, denying this would just be a cope

[Anonymous No.12649071]

>>12649061
>will make manned flights
and with what spaceship is that supposed to happen? new shepard capsule on top of new glenn or what?

[Anonymous No.12649075]

>>12649071
Cope

[Anonymous No.12649077]

>>12648443
>We should be building the Nautilus X
>not trying to cram everything in an epic tin can that's trying to be 4 different things at once
??????
Anon, Nautilus X is the epitome of doing 100 things at once as shittily as possible and also being completely retarded from a practical design aspect.

Starship is great because the vehicle can be whatever you want it to be just by putting different things into the forward payload section. You want a cargo ferry? Have that big clamshell door. You want a manned Earth-to-Orbit launch vehicle? Fill the payload section with racks of G-seats and a few life support crates. You want a space station? Outfit that baby with several "deck" sections a la Skylab and send it up. Station needs maintenance? Just bring it back down to Earth and do the work on the ground. You want to go beyond Earth orbit? Just refuel Starship in LEO and go.

You don't use literally the exact same Starship design for every application. You use the basic Starship design (6 km/s delta V with a 150 ton vehicle + 150 tons of addition hardware) as a platform and you customize whatever's inside the nose cone section for whatever application you're trying to accomplish.

[Anonymous No.12649079]

>>12649068
Jeff Who?

[Anonymous No.12649084]

>>12649068
>Biggest cargo capacity
45 tons? That's like 30% less than Falcon Heavy.
>Actually relies on thoroughly tested technology
You mean the BE4, an engine which has never flown, and which shits itself on dirty LNG at half the chamber pressure of the other extant LOX/CH4 engine?
>Will have an abort system
I guess that is important for a rocket which will blow up as often as New Glenn.
>Will make manned flights become absolute frivolities
I'm not sure what the fuck this sentence means so I won't address it.
>Isn't owned by Elon Musk
True, I guess the richest man in the world and most successful private rocket company does need some competition from it's inferiors.
>oldspace approach will mean government support.
Ah yes, government support which has killed basically every ambitious rocket program in the past thirty years after severe mismanagement? Doesn't seem like something you'd want as a rocket company if you can avoid it.

Can I be coping if the thing I'm denying is just a solid paragraph of Jeff Who?s cope?

[Anonymous No.12649090]

>>12649084
This. Also NG is at least in 2023.

[Anonymous No.12649091]

Y’all thought I was wrong when I said Biden would cancel spaceflight. Well, who’s laughing now?

[Anonymous No.12649095]

>>12649091
Uncle Xi

[Anonymous No.12649106]

TOMORROW, AT 0641 EASTERN TIME, A STARLINK LAUNCH WILL TAKE PLACE FROM THE HISTORIC LC-39A LAUNCH SITE

THIS WILL BE THE 18TH STARLINK LAUNCH TO DATE, AND THE FIRST ROCKET LAUNCH OF THE NEW MONTH

LAUNCH THREAD WILL BE PROVIDED BY GAIUS ANONYMOUS IN THE HOURS PRIOR TO LIFTOFF

BE AWARE
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THIS LAUNCH UPDATE WAS PROVIDED BY GAMESTOP
POWER TO THE PLAYERS

[Anonymous No.12649108]

>>12648486
>Why do people hate Ares I?
Extremely expensive and the sum total of return on that taxpayer investment was an unmodified 4 segment Shuttle SRB with a dummy 5th segment and a dummy upper stage topped off by a dummy capsule launched one time, unexpectedly gimballed right after liftoff and washed the launch structure down with superheated alumina dust, and then re-contacted the dummy upper stage after burnout and separation. Literally slapstick humor levels of retardation in that program.
>What's wrong with it?
The design did not even work on paper for achieving its design payload to LEO.
The SRB is obviously low Isp, which necessitates a hydrolox upper stage to achieve orbit. However, hydrolox has shitty thrust as we all know, which means they would need a really big hydrolox upper stage in order to push itself plus a 20 ton payload on a low-and-slow trajectory all the way to LEO. Problem there is that the engine they were developing for the upper stage wasn't strong enough. Therefore there was a maximum size limit to the upper stage, limited by both the upper stage propulsion and the first stage, and all of these conflicting issues meant that the rocket couldn't even put a 20 ton payload into LEO on PAPER yet was going to cost hundreds of millions.
Probably the smoothest brain design to ever reach the stage of hardware development. Actual retardation and follow-the-leader decision making at play. A complete travesty. Also it looked stupid.

[Anonymous No.12649118]

>>12648512
Aerospikes do not perform better than conventional nozzles in any practical sense.

[Anonymous No.12649121]

>>12648517
>oops I lit my steel combustion chamber on fire
lol

[Anonymous No.12649130]

>>12649068
It will give SpaceX a proper competitor, which is what really matters.

[Anonymous No.12649133]

>>12649130
Starship will reach orbit before NG
blue is just going to be a government engine vender rather than a launcher

[Anonymous No.12649137]

>>12648541
Literally no one has ever been able to make a case, even in an ideal math world sense, that aerospikes can out perform bell nozzles.
Aerospikes are several TIMES heavier for the same thrust output.
Aerospikes are LESS efficient than an optimized bell nozzle, at sea level or in vacuum.
Aerospikes have a LARGER footprint, which means you can't fit as many on the base of your booster.
Aerospikes are MORE difficult to cool even with regenerative cooling loops because of their much larger combustion chamber and throat surface area.
Aerospikes are MORE complex than conventional nozzles and would therefore be more expensive to build.
Aerospikes LOSE efficiency from trans-sonic to hypersonic mach numbers because of flow interactions, meaning they lose thrust during the most critical phase of a launch.
Finally, there is NO practical SSTO vehicle design, which means that the upper stage can always just use the more efficient, lighter, cheaper bell nozzles while the first stage can benefit from being able to pack more engines onto its base (also the Isp of the first stage doesn't matter nearly as much anyway, except at liftoff, which is where a sea level bell nozzle outperforms an aerospike regardless).
So tell me, where is the fucking advantage of an aerospike nozzle?

[Anonymous No.12649158]

>>12649133
Starship will never reach orbit. The Democrats are obviously going to shut down spaceflight

[Anonymous No.12649163]

>>12648552
Energia would have unironically set off space race levels of technological development and launch capacity increase in America if the Soviets didn't shit the bed and collapse immediately.
In a different world where they managed to stabilize for another couple decades I fully believe that they would have shot the Moon, maybe even done some long stays. ~90 tons of payload to LEO per Energia means that you can launch a big ass lander + habitat module, follow it up with a big ass transfer stage module, and then do a Soyuz launch to get a three-man crew up there. The whole thing goes to the Moon, does the other things, comes back.
If they started implementing reuse of the vehicle, America would shit itself. The core stage in particular would have been able to be modified for reuse using vanilla Buran tech. It'd need a delta wing a bit further aft than halfway, plus some reinforcement for landing gear, and finally a TPS coating. Boom, you have a VTOHL reusable core stage that brutally mogs Shuttle, lands autonomously etc. Step two would be to make the boosters reusable as well, which I personally think would be best accomplished by going from four to two boosters, with the same overall thrust output. That'd let you use delta wings for VTOHL without running into crowding problems.

[Anonymous No.12649166]

>>12649158
The civil war will begin when the first Starship kamikazes on the pentagon

[Anonymous No.12649168]

>>12649158

[Anonymous No.12649169]

>>12649158
Be honest, how mad does this picture make you?

[Anonymous No.12649172]

>>12648648
Damn look at those pythons, I thought being in zero g was supposed to turn you into an average californian male though

[Anonymous No.12649178]

>>12649169
Lol moron.
Democrats are way more evil now than they were then, because they’re taking over and can start doing whatever they want

[Anonymous No.12649180]

>>12648552
It's the only launch system to have its own ska theme song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVWfqOSdzs4

[Anonymous No.12649181]

>>12649178
Dems have always been evil, the R’s being any different is just a charade too

[Anonymous No.12649194]

>>12649106

[Anonymous No.12649202]

>>12649106
Ave

[Anonymous No.12649203]

>>12649178
>Dems want to kill spaceflight!
>Then why did the president's last administration support spaceflight?
>THEY'RE JUST EVIL OK? STOP ASKING QUESTIONS!!!!

[Anonymous No.12649205]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYR7lQyCVI0
Stardust 1.0 Launch in 5 mins

[Anonymous No.12649209]

>>12649205
Is too little!
We want starship that is bigger!

[Anonymous No.12649214]

>>12649205
Stardust is cute
CUTE!

[Anonymous No.12649218]

>>12649205
Hold, launch in 12 mins

[Anonymous No.12649219]

>>12649205
Has the FAA approved this? We need a review for public safety

[Anonymous No.12649224]

>>12649205
>even sounding rockets get scrubbed to death

[Anonymous No.12649226]

>>12649219
Unlike the hack fraud Elon Musk and his exploding scam starships, these are quality rockets built by quality engineers so they passed the FAA regulatory process no problem.

[Anonymous No.12649229]

>>12649205
Imminent launch boys

[Anonymous No.12649231]

>>12649205
Update : Launch is imminent!

[Anonymous No.12649239]

How can SpaceX even compete

[Anonymous No.12649241]

>>12649205
F

[Anonymous No.12649242]

Second update: launch is not imminent lol

[Anonymous No.12649243]

How many fucking 'systems' can there be in this spicy firework

[Anonymous No.12649250]

Bio derived fuel lol

Fancy words for sugar rocket

[Anonymous No.12649252]

lol @ the guy getting interrupted on mic

[Anonymous No.12649253]

>>12649252
iz it scrub?

[Anonymous No.12649256]

getting thoroughly spooked by this music

[Anonymous No.12649258]

eh

[Anonymous No.12649261]

bluScrub Aerospace

[Anonymous No.12649263]

is the livestream frozen?

[Anonymous No.12649264]

[Anonymous No.12649266]

>>12649263
lmao you're right, the clouds haven't moved at all

[Anonymous No.12649268]

WEN HOP?

[Anonymous No.12649271]

>>12649172
>thinks that 0 g shit is real
lmao

[Anonymous No.12649274]

>>12649263
Yea for like the whole time I guess

[Anonymous No.12649275]

>>12649263
>livestream is a static image for last 10 mins

[Anonymous No.12649276]

>>12649205
>Stardust
Were Giant Fireball and Flying Coffin taken or something?

[Anonymous No.12649277]

>>12648307
Yeah, and that's just the upper stage.

[Anonymous No.12649279]

>>12649268
Fuck you. This is HOP WHEN? territory.

[Anonymous No.12649280]

>>12649275
And no one has noticed yet

[Anonymous No.12649284]

>>12649169
How thoughtful of Musk, matched his suit to Obama's skin.

[Anonymous No.12649285]

>>12649279
Not according to twitter

[Anonymous No.12649287]

>>12648386
https://www.spacex.com/media/starship_users_guide_v1.pdf
According to the most recent users guide, the first eight meters aren't tapered, and the door is like twice as big.

[Anonymous No.12649289]

Launch 90 mins from now, fixing issue with main valve and then re-pressurizing the tanks.

[Anonymous No.12649290]

>>12649205
ARE WE NOW IN THE POWER OF STARDUST?

[Anonymous No.12649295]

>>12649285
this isn't twitter, fag

[Anonymous No.12649297]

>>12649226

[Anonymous No.12649299]

>>12649297
>Funding to date
>Patreon

[Anonymous No.12649309]

>>12649285
WELL WE AREN'T ON TWITTER ARE WE FAGGOT

[Anonymous No.12649311]

>>12649287
Yeah, that other render was made by some uninformed moron

[Anonymous No.12649322]

Launch re-scheduled for 1-1:30 PM EST

[Anonymous No.12649326]

hop NET tuesday

[Anonymous No.12649333]

>>12649326
FAA imposes a random week long delay
Best we can do boyo

[Anonymous No.12649337]

>>12649203
>Parties never change behavior or beliefs ever haha

I don’t recall Bill Clinton talking about “child transitions”

[Anonymous No.12649342]

>>12649326
Hop Monday! Just keep waiting, Tuesday is right around the corner! FAA promises approval probably coming by Wednesday, no later than Thursday! Have just a little patience and we can all watch the Friday launch of SN9 this coming Saturday, won't that be a fun way to spend Sunday?
Space is hard! :^)

[Anonymous No.12649343]

How does it feel, muskrats? Now that finally a real government is showing its hand and you can't freely destroy people's money homes and the environment with reckless behavior and explosions and danger! For years us environmentalists wept as we saw the desolation left by a private company rampaging in protected environments but no more. WE WIN.

[Anonymous No.12649348]

>>12649333
>week long
>not 6 months

[Anonymous No.12649350]

>>12649343
>/sfg/ regular getting bored and decides to troll

[Anonymous No.12649352]

>>12649337
Instead bill Clinton supported the various libtard agendas of his day
Do you think he would oppose it in an interview today?

[Anonymous No.12649355]

>>12649343
How many rockets do all other space launch providers dump into the clean ocean compared to SpaceX?

[Anonymous No.12649358]

>>12649352
>Instead bill Clinton supported the various libtard agendas of his day

So you admit they’re getting worse and worse. QED

[Anonymous No.12649363]

>>12649342
They can’t do weekend launches, can’t close the beach on the weekend

[Anonymous No.12649366]

>>12649358
No they were absolutely the same evil, they merely supported what they could get away with at the time
Rabid liberals have been the same for over 100 years
Even back in the civil war era you had abolitionists trying to kill whitey

[Anonymous No.12649367]

>>12649342
How is the FAA, an organization that allowed 737 MAX to take off, exactly how are they able to "approve" a rocket launch when those prototypes are essentially experimental each time?

These launches should be done in a rocket range with 100% availability. FAA doesn't even know planes nowadays, let alone rockets.

[Anonymous No.12649369]

>>12649355
We should destroy the oceans

[Anonymous No.12649373]

>>12649337
>Democratically elected leaders change their views to match voter opinion
No way....

[Anonymous No.12649376]

>>12649367
Why do u people bring up the max
Third worlders crashing planes is not the fault of Boeing

[Anonymous No.12649377]

>>12649342

[Anonymous No.12649378]

>>12649366
>Even back in the civil war era you had abolitionists trying to kill whitey
how is this bad? What sort of dissonance is necessary to call others evil when you support chattel slavery that was brutal even by ancient standards of slavery?

[Anonymous No.12649380]

>>12649373
It’s the other way around. The elites control public opinion.

[Anonymous No.12649384]

>>12648566
Yeah, it was retired along with Dnepr and Rokot when Russia invaded Ukraine. All those Soviet rocket designs incorporated Ukrainian tanks or avionics.

The Zenit design is actually going to live on: Soyuz 5 is basically an all-Russian Zenit. It might even revive the Sea Launch platform, which was also bought by a Russian conglomerate.

[Anonymous No.12649386]

>>12649378
>How is killing white people bad
Post nose

[Anonymous No.12649391]

>>12649378
Bet you buy meat at the store u hypocrite, and have a slave dog or cat

[Anonymous No.12649392]

>>12649386
Oh boy, what a surprise.

[Anonymous No.12649398]

>>12649391
Sherman clearly didn't burn enough.

[Anonymous No.12649399]

>>12649380
Ah yeah I forgot about those """elites""", are they lizard people too?

[Anonymous No.12649414]

>>12649399
You’re braindead if you deny that those who control the media aren’t pushing certain narratives.

[Anonymous No.12649432]

>>12649414
For sure on both sides. But I don't consider the "media" the elites. People just like inflammatory content and seek it out, which the media happily serves them for a profit.

[Anonymous No.12649436]

There a reason why we don't see more of these aerospikes used?

[Anonymous No.12649439]

>>12649436
See >>12649137

[Anonymous No.12649442]

>This is the Ariane 6 second stage
Say something nice about it

[Anonymous No.12649449]

>>12649432
The media is controlled by a tiny minority of very wealthy people and they use said media to spread narratives and normalize satanic globohomo shit. Look at the “Early life” section of the Wikipedia page of any seemingly whites person who pushes globohomo, and a pattern will emerge. Spaceflight, Western spaceflight at least, is ultimately undesirable to them and will be stopped somehow.

[Anonymous No.12649453]

>>12649442
Looks like it’s covered in greebles

[Anonymous No.12649455]

>>12649442
balls

[Anonymous No.12649456]

>>12649449
Sorry forgot to include this in my last post
>This is when you write a long post about how media is controlled by the "elites" with no sources except "look for a pattern"

[Anonymous No.12649457]

>>12649439
Wrong aerspike...

[Anonymous No.12649462]

>>12648386
Make the other parts of the nosecone hinged and you could make a killer temporary space telescope with a design like that.

[Anonymous No.12649468]

>>12649456
How is Dad today anon? Get into any satisfying arguments?

[Anonymous No.12649470]

>>12649432
Dumb. Medias are the elites. They are your masters. They tell you what to think, how to think, who to like, who to hate, what is true, what is fake, etc. You whole onions on subjects that you know nothing about are shapes by media. Unless you claim to be a super genius that has effort level knowledge in every field, your not thinking hard enough on how media controls your thoughts.

[Anonymous No.12649471]

https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/31/22258815/nasa-moon-lander-awards-biden-spacex-blue-origin-moonshot
HLS selection delayed to April 30th

[Anonymous No.12649472]

>>12649442
When are they going to hop the Ariana 6 ??

[Anonymous No.12649474]

>>12649456
>I'm a retard and can't look for patterns or understand the idea that billionaires and millionaires who own and control media companies are by definition "elites"

[Anonymous No.12649475]

>>12649471
Are they helping SpaceX since they know they're the only ones who give a damn?

[Anonymous No.12649476]

>>12649470
>I learn everything from facebook posts and internalize all of it because I have literally no filter for misinformation
Yikes.

[Anonymous No.12649487]

>>12649474
>I saw a pattern that means it must be true!
I know you won't read it but,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_bias
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia

[Anonymous No.12649491]

>>12649475
Probably. SpaceX is the only one that’ll continue without HLS anyways

[Anonymous No.12649497]

>>12649475
Optimistic, but I bet it's more on an indicator that NASA and Artemis are going on the back burner for now.

[Anonymous No.12649498]

>>12649476
People over rate themselves. 95% of people do not have critical thinking skills. If you watch tv as an adult, read newspaper daily, you're thinking to highly of your own ability to spot when you're being manipulated by the media. If you use social media that's even worse as it's nothing but a tool to fit in to social structure shapes by the media elites.

[Anonymous No.12649499]

>>12649487
>I saw a pattern that means it must be true

It is true that seemingly white globohomo pushers are very often Jews, yes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Feminists_by_religion

[Anonymous No.12649502]

>>12649474
>>12649476
>"Look at us, we're two anons who literally cannot shut the fuck up about this same shit every fucking day! No it's not on-topic, but we like this so fuck you /sfg/!"

[Anonymous No.12649507]

>>12649476
A good way to filter misinformation is to never trust the big media companies.

[Anonymous No.12649510]

>>12649502
>Real ideological threats to spaceflight are off topic!!111

[Anonymous No.12649513]

>>12649510
ideological threats belong on /pol/, not here

[Anonymous No.12649521]

>>12648419
Be patient nigga, we're only in the beginning of the real space age. Nuclear saltwater ships will come soon.

[Anonymous No.12649523]

>>12649521
There will be no future space age, because of demographics.

[Anonymous No.12649525]

>>12649377

[Anonymous No.12649527]

>>12649442
It's like looking at my crotch after a few days of not shaving.

[Anonymous No.12649529]

Using a sunward bussard scoop to bombard Venus with hydrogen could terraform it to levels tolerable conditions for surface arcologies where then a biosphere introduction could sequester carbon and introduce oxygen into the atmosphere
Once they can build superheavies from the surface, you could liquify a good bit of the nitrogen and ship it to Mars for their terraforming project

[Anonymous No.12649530]

>>12649527
Why the fuck would you shave your crotch?
Must be a gay faggot

[Anonymous No.12649532]

>>12649398
I love how liberals always ignore sherman wanted to genocide the indians and send the blacks back to africa. They always act like he was some bleeding heart liberal abolitionist.

[Anonymous No.12649534]

>>12649510
>noooo we have to fight about this every day, you don't understand!

[Anonymous No.12649537]

>>12649534
Barely anything else is going on in spaceflight. Why not?

[Anonymous No.12649538]

>>12649532
Fighting for the Union =\= abolitionist. Sherman was based though

[Anonymous No.12649540]

>>12649510
I just want the conpiratards to leave. A science board shouldn't have people participating who can't understand their own basic cognitive biases, and consider looking up people on wikipedia proof of a global cabal controlling the media.

[Anonymous No.12649544]

>>12649538
Sherman was closer to the national socialism that liberals love to associate the confederacy with then the confederacy was. He wanted a strong central government and he wanted to expand into non white lands and expel or annihilate the people living there for living space.

[Anonymous No.12649547]

>>12649471
SN9 delayed to May 1st

[Anonymous No.12649549]

>>12649540
>Jews controlling the media is just a coincidence goy! Pay no attention

Can you guys just get in some star-shaped spaceships and go live somewhere else; like in a black hole?

[Anonymous No.12649553]

>>12647611
I don’t know who’s worse. The Redditors or the /Pol/fags

[Anonymous No.12649555]

>>12649553
They're the same thing

[Anonymous No.12649567]

>>12649555
Im98% sure that the dude who keeps shilling for liberalism is just a /Pol/fag who is shitposting

[Anonymous No.12649593]

>>12649527
You will never be a real rocket.

[Anonymous No.12649596]

>>12649471
This is great! SpaceX will continue regardless. Dynetics and Body Odor hung out to dry (unless they get serious and self-invest). This delay will separate the boys from the men

[Anonymous No.12649601]

>>12649471
>Delayed
>Will get delayed again probably
>Will get cancelled probably
In all actuality I don't care that much, but I really want to see HLS Starship

[Anonymous No.12649612]

>>12649601
HLS starship is based but I’m sure Elon will just pivot to Mars directly now.

>>12649596
Blue will discontinue their lander I gaurantee it

[Anonymous No.12649616]

>>12649475
They gave Spacex the smallest share of the money for their lunar project and provided the largest share to BO which has yet to launch so much as a single bolt into orbit and is joining up with old space galore to develop their inevitably incomprehensibly expensive lander which won’t be ready until the sun burns out.

So I’m guessing they are more interested in helping theirs friends than actually doing anything or going anywhere in a reasonable amount of time using a reasonable amount of money.

[Anonymous No.12649617]

>>12649601
And all the money goes to the “national team” which eventually just evaporates when the SLS doesn’t deliver
Same as the whole commercial crew program where most money goes to Boing

[Anonymous No.12649618]

>>12649616
Dude it’s insane how Blue sold their soul to OldSpace for some quick $$$$$

[Anonymous No.12649626]

>>12649226
lol

[Anonymous No.12649631]

>>12649442
It exists, I guess

[Anonymous No.12649633]

Why is ULA and NASA even giving consideration to Blue Oldspace? They haven't reached orbit. THIS SHOULD BE THE BARE MINIMUM

[Anonymous No.12649636]

>>12649618
That’s what happens when you hire nothing, but old space while using connections in government to keep getting money for doing nothing.

[Anonymous No.12649640]

>>12649337
>being this obsessed
Seek help.

[Anonymous No.12649642]

>>12649618
Literally sold out before their first product was even manufactured.

[Anonymous No.12649646]

>>12649640
How am I obsessed????

[Anonymous No.12649648]

>>12649601
Space is hard!

[Anonymous No.12649650]

>>12649544
>n-no y-you don't get it l-libtard he was actually on m-my s-side
shut the fuck up and stop shitting up the thread already faggot

[Anonymous No.12649656]

>>12649650
Seething for no reason

[Anonymous No.12649658]

>>12649646
>find a way to seethe about "muh trannies" in a thread about space flight
They live in your head rent free. This isn't healthy, anon.

[Anonymous No.12649659]

>>12649650
Dude I know right! Heckin’ LOCKED!!!! Let me post this to r/SpaceXMasterrace!!!!

[Anonymous No.12649661]

[Anonymous No.12649662]

>>12649659
Trying way too hard

[Anonymous No.12649663]

>>12649658
I only made one comment about trannies, as an example of the rapidly shifting Overton window. You are confused.

[Anonymous No.12649664]

>>12649661

[Anonymous No.12649665]

>>12649659
based

[Anonymous No.12649666]

>>12649661
God I wish the entire planet was factories and mines and industrial sprawl
Hopefully Mars will be kind of like that

[Anonymous No.12649669]

>>12649532
>You have to be a liberal to think confederates and teenager fascism-larpers are retards and faggots.

[Anonymous No.12649670]

>>12649661
>>12649664

[Anonymous No.12649672]

>>12649666
Of course you would, satan
Also Mercury is the superior site for a forge world

[Anonymous No.12649673]

>>12649669
Liberals are dumb so liberals would think that. There's dumber people, though, like leftists.

[Anonymous No.12649677]

>>12649673
I've literally never seen a fascist that is actually successful in life.

[Anonymous No.12649678]

>>12649673
Commies are worse in my opinion and experience and whatnot

[Anonymous No.12649679]

>>12649673
You spaceflight fans sure are a contentious people.

[Anonymous No.12649680]

>>12649672
Factories and mines are aesthetic and emblematic of mankind's ascendancy

[Anonymous No.12649684]

>>12649077
it sucks that your cargo is 40 meters in the air if you're landing on a planetary surface, but that's not a total dealbreaker

[Anonymous No.12649686]

>>12649677
Maybe because they don't say they're fascist because that'd be retarded and get them cancelled?

[Anonymous No.12649689]

>>12649673
reported

[Anonymous No.12649690]

>>12649678
Ehhhhhh the USSR had some based spaceflight plans

[Anonymous No.12649694]

>>12649680
And dead planets made green are a sign of mankind’s morality and prowess

[Anonymous No.12649699]

Look I understand politics is intimately tied in with spaceflight, but for the love of fuck please fuck off if you want to post /pol/-tier schizo shit that has nothing to do with rockets

[Anonymous No.12649702]

Why did every rejected rocket proposal from the 60s and 70s use a massive aerospike first stage?

[Anonymous No.12649711]

>>12649702
Grifters have always existed

[Anonymous No.12649712]

>>12649702
Cost-plus contracting and beating the commies meant they could come up with crazy ideas and not have to worry about costs. Kennedy was prepared to throw a fuckload of money at the best proposal

[Anonymous No.12649717]

>>12649702
They fell for the SSTO meme. There were a lot of cool designs though like pic related.

>>12649699
For the love of god please can we talk about rockets or something

[Anonymous No.12649723]

>>12649717
Is that an aeroass?

[Anonymous No.12649728]

https://twitter.com/TrevorMahlmann/status/1355920138105737221

thiccship

[Anonymous No.12649733]

>>12649680
I agree with you on underground mines, they make for interesting places to explore once they shut down. But fuck factories

[Anonymous No.12649736]

[Anonymous No.12649737]

>>12649723
It’s a horribly deformed S-IVB with an aero spike on one end and a Gemini capsule on the other. It was designed for satellite interception

[Anonymous No.12649740]

>>12649684
It sucks if your cargo is 400,000 meters up and moving at orbital speed with no way of landing it unless you have a secondary vehicle, too.

[Anonymous No.12649744]

[Anonymous No.12649754]

>>12649737
Would be based. Methane would make it even cooler. I assume it had more stages though. Maybe a Titan rocket or something?

[Anonymous No.12649766]

>if sn9 sticks the landing there will soon be 3 starships
where are they gonna store all these starships?

[Anonymous No.12649771]

>>12649766
In my shed. At this rate SN11 will be rolled out before the end of February wtf

[Anonymous No.12649772]

>>12649766
They should either make a rocket garden, or scrap them and sell the pieces off. I would be willing to spend $30 on a little post-it note size piece of SN9 or something

[Anonymous No.12649774]

has the "inflatable heat shield" idea every been tried irl?

[Anonymous No.12649777]

>>12649774
I thought ULA was planning on flying it with the Vulcan vore? Is that still right or did they can it?

[Anonymous No.12649780]

>>12649774
*ever

>>12649777
i don't even know. They had the idea, scrapped it along with ACES, but now they might bring it back?

[Anonymous No.12649784]

>>12649774
Me thinks this would somehow amount to millions in refurbishment costs and not be worth it. The only cheap way to reuse now is propulsive landing. If you are incapable of that, don't bother with reusability. Even the Vulcan core idea is dumb

[Anonymous No.12649785]

>>12649780
ACES was the only cool thing ULA was doing holy shit

[Anonymous No.12649790]

>>12649785
agreed. Using inevitable hydrogen boiloff to power an active cooling solution was a genuinely cool idea. Probably wouldn't have been that easy, but still.

[Anonymous No.12649797]

>>12649790
>We are making a new rocket from scratch with reusability in mind
All we are doing is catching the engines
>We are making ACES
Jk no we aren't
>We are making a propellant depot
???

[Anonymous No.12649801]

>>12649118
aerospikes are cool, but only useful for altitude compensation. So until we design the mythical single-stage-to-orbit launcher, they are not really useful.

[Anonymous No.12649806]

>>12649797
>>12649790
What even is ULA’s business model at this point?
>Hur durrr we’re okay with being second best if it means we’re still in the running!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.12649807]

>>12649774
yeah there have been a few tech demonstrators

[Anonymous No.12649810]

>>12649806
Results over rhetoric

[Anonymous No.12649821]

[Anonymous No.12649824]

>>12649084
>45 tons? That's like 30% less than Falcon Heavy.
fucking hell when will people learn that 30 tons reusable is less than 45 tons reusable

[Anonymous No.12649829]

>>12649821
>Mueller fell for the hydromeme
welp that explains why he was fired lmao

[Anonymous No.12649835]

SpaceX to Mexico!

[Anonymous No.12649847]

>>12649835
Homer Hickman is funny as shit

>>12649824
Falcon Heavy with 2 boosters reused and core expendable can put 50 tons into LEO for $110 Million

[Anonymous No.12649849]

>>12649847
Would a FH in expendable mode be capable of launching something like a Voyager mission out of the plane of the solar system?

[Anonymous No.12649858]

>>12649849
With a Jupiter gravity assist? Definitely. A small vehicle under 1 metric ton would be easy peasy

[Anonymous No.12649865]

>>12649287
is this the largest (non imaginary such as Sea Dragon) fairing/volume that exists for cargo?

[Anonymous No.12649868]

>>12649865
yes

[Anonymous No.12649934]

>>12649616
That's how much each company asked for, not how much NASA thought each company deserved. SpaceX bid cheap, likely as incentive to get NASA on board with Starship moving forward. National Team bid at oldspace extortion levels, and Dynetics bid reasonably.

[Anonymous No.12649939]

>FAA drags it's feet so long SN10 is ready to launch too
>SN9 and SN10 do a joint flight and land just like the two Falcon Heavy boosters

[Anonymous No.12649948]

>>12649774
China just used one last year. I forget for which mission, but I remember we talked about it.

[Anonymous No.12649962]

>>12649774
I remember NASA doing a low density inflatable decelerator thing a few years ago that they quietly cancelled after a real life test showed that the turbulence created in the wake of the wider thing would shred any parachute of feasible length.

[Anonymous No.12649975]

>>12649801
Honestly they aren't even really good for that either.
Compared to a sea level engine, an aerospike starts off less efficient then gets more efficient near vacuum, while in between as its transitioning through the regions of supersonic to hypersonic atmospheric flight it actually loses a significant fraction of its performance.
The issue with aerospikes is not even the vehicle architecture (TSTO vs SSTO), its that Earth's atmospheric pressure just is not great enough for the effect of an aerospike to be worth the cost. It's kinda like how technically a Mars-surface optimized engine would be better than a vacuum optimized engine for launching off of Mars' surface, but in reality you'd just use vacuum optimized engines anyway because the difference in performance is negligible compared to the cost savings of not using two different kinds of engine.

[Anonymous No.12649978]

I'm incredibly sad and I use these rocket launches as an escape. I think I wish that I was on one of these rockets going into orbit, or to mars or something.

[Anonymous No.12649986]

>>12649774
China had a failure last year

[Anonymous No.12649988]

>>12649829
He wasn't fired dude, he didn't like being removed from the actual building parts aspect of the job that came with his ascent to leading the whole propulsion team.

[Anonymous No.12649991]

>>12649978
I'm not kidding when I say you should go and drive out into the desert with a tank of water and a bunch of food and just camp out and pretend you're prospecting for minerals on an Earthlike exoplanet that's being colonized

[Anonymous No.12649993]

bluShift launch in 2 min

[Anonymous No.12649994]

>>12649986
Those poor villagers.

[Anonymous No.12649996]

>>12648829
The artists don't understand how big the bay is.

[Anonymous No.12649998]

>>12649993
link the stream dammit

[Anonymous No.12650004]

>>12649999

[Anonymous No.12650007]

>>12649442
It's more real than the EUS.

[Anonymous No.12650009]

>>12649205
>Stardust 1.0
Where are the Spiders?

[Anonymous No.12650010]

>>12649991
I might just do that. Thank you.

[Anonymous No.12650014]

>>12649998
https://youtu.be/OYR7lQyCVI0

[Anonymous No.12650015]

>>12649978
Same, but usually my fantasies end with the rocket exploding shortly after launch

[Anonymous No.12650020]

>>12650014
But launch was a still frame? Couldn't see it, only hear people.

[Anonymous No.12650021]

>>12649766
Drop them on Washington DC until the bureaucracy submits.

[Anonymous No.12650022]

>>12650010
No problem bro, it's a big planet out there. Do you live anywhere near the southwest US? I've always kinda wanted to buy a beater truck and load up with supplies and LARP in the desert there as a Mars prospector, and look for malachite deposits to refine into little blobs of copper.

[Anonymous No.12650026]

>>12650014
>random shit tier rocket that will never do anything important gets approved for launch
>rocket that will save humanity gets denied for launch
really makes you think

[Anonymous No.12650034]

>>12650022
>southwest US?
No, unfortunately not. Scandinavia, north of the arctic circle. I'm freezing and I don't like this.

[Anonymous No.12650043]

>>12649986
Any way to know what part specifically failed? Did the shield itself fail or was it some other component?

[Anonymous No.12650067]

>>12649694
I'd rather core crack them and use the minerals to make space habitats and fleets.

[Anonymous No.12650070]

>>12649733
Factories look amazing. Buzzing, industrial activity, producing and refining materials for our desires.

[Anonymous No.12650073]

>>12649774
Didn't China try one out recently?

[Anonymous No.12650086]

>>12650034
You should build a greenhouse and pretend you're in a habitat on Pluto.

[Anonymous No.12650089]

>>12649821
Musk himself had to make the key design decisions, even his crew were a buncha old space ass hats
Bet he picked steel too

[Anonymous No.12650124]

Stardust is still live with payload recovery
https://youtu.be/OYR7lQyCVI0

[Anonymous No.12650126]

>>12648996
The shuttle had very limited abort windows, to the point that aborting was pretty much a non-option.
Abort too early and you fall like a brick, too late and you can't make it to a runway.

[Anonymous No.12650139]

>>12650126
It’s a plane, it can glide back to some landing site, or even the water
They would have needed to spot the issue in time though

[Anonymous No.12650141]

>>12650034
Scandinavia is the most pozzed place in the world. Globohomo has full and total control
https://youtu.be/ShfsBPrNcTI

Elon better colonize Mars quick. The first half of this century is the only chance humans have.

[Anonymous No.12650152]

>>12649342
Space is easy, government is hard.

[Anonymous No.12650157]

>>12650152
Elon should remove the government.

[Anonymous No.12650160]

>>12650141
What an NPC post

[Anonymous No.12650163]

Well well well well Mr Musk you seem to have had an anomaly! You disagree? Too bad your opinion doesn’t matter....

Now we will be beginning our investigation next week, this won’t take long, and you will thank us in the end ;)

Be seeing you, Mr Musk

Btw, you are grounded until further notice.

[Anonymous No.12650164]

>>12650160
Good luck maintaining space colonies in a >50% white country.

[Anonymous No.12650177]

>>12650139
It's more complicated that that. It couldn't separate from the SRBs early, which meant if there was any problem their only course of action was to wait until SRB burnout, then do this borderline suicide maneuver of turning around retrograde with the main engines firing and cancel out its horizontal and vertical velocity, then stage off the ET and come in nearly straight down before pulling out of the dive in order to land or ditch. Apparently they wanted to attempt this maneuver during the first ever Shuttle launch and the astronauts said no, I wonder why lmao

[Anonymous No.12650191]

>>12650177
If they separated the shuttle from the tank and let the SRB’s + fuel tank fly away, might be survivable

[Anonymous No.12650198]

>>12650139
It has a dogshit glide ratio though. There are really limited windows in which it can detach early and make it back to a runway without falling short or slamming into the ground/water.

[Anonymous No.12650200]

>>12650141
The US is honestly more pozzed than Scandinavia, they just don't know it or coping hard

[Anonymous No.12650210]

>>12650191
The problem was deciding to stack the shuttle on the side of all of these things. I don't know how they could have done it differently, but making the shuttle sit on top of the launcher a la dyna sour or dreamchaser seems way safer. I guess the dolphin sex proposal had this same problem too - but at least you don't have SRB's in that scenario. I don't think you could have just ditched the shuttle with SRB's firing. The aerodynamic forces would shred you

[Anonymous No.12650228]

>>12650200
The cities are pozzed yeah, but the countryside isn't.

[Anonymous No.12650239]

>>12648225
Yes, but not until we have a solar system wide economy.

[Anonymous No.12650242]

>>12649978
Future space prospects are definitely a drive for me. It's one of the few thing we're (slowly) progressing in that excites me. Launches and spaceflight make total sense for escapism, fren.

[Anonymous No.12650243]

>>12650239
Can't take that long. You could turn the Martian moons into hundreds of the things.

[Anonymous No.12650246]

So obviously the shuttle lacking an abort system was bad.
What about Starship? Granted there are no SRBs, and it's just two stages stacked on top of one another so those risks are eliminated.
Will we see it perform >>12650177 -esque maneuver in the event of a launch abort?

[Anonymous No.12650251]

>>12650014
Wtf was that stream?

[Anonymous No.12650253]

>>12650210

[Anonymous No.12650254]

>>12650246
A fully fueled, fully loaded Starship might be unrecoverable as well. The risk of a catastrophic failure is much lower anyway due to:
a) no fucking piggyback ride with wings in the path of chunks of flying foam and ice
b) no fucking SRBs

[Anonymous No.12650255]

>>12649978
Use your dreams to put some hair on your chest, get fit, chase gains, learn introductory physics and mechanical engineering, learn a trade. use the time you have to prepare for colonization. even if you dont manage to go, you will develop good habits and lead a successful life

[Anonymous No.12650256]

>>12650253
Kino.

[Anonymous No.12650261]

>>12650253
>dies

[Anonymous No.12650265]

>>12649326
faa working over time, huh
hope it works out this time

[Anonymous No.12650266]

>>12650254
Would it be at all possible for the full stack to perform the maneuver? Using the grid fins and flaps in tandem? Or am I smokin' too much of that Elon sauce?

[Anonymous No.12650273]

>>12649326
>for every week delay another Starship will appear on the pad

[Anonymous No.12650275]

>>12650254
And no side mounted SRB’s with finicky o ring joints that get partially burned through in normal operation

Presumably it would ignite its main engines and fly away from the booster, which would have turned off engines as soon as an issue happened
Then burn fuel until it’s light enough to land on 3 engines at the landing site

I’m sure they will be testing this style of abort with their hoppers whenever they start stacking em

[Anonymous No.12650277]

>>12650253
Make a heavy variant now

[Anonymous No.12650281]

>>12650266
Nah the connection would probably break from aerodynamic forces and then they'd be mega-fucked

[Anonymous No.12650286]

>>12650281
Ah fuck you're right.
Maybe if they could vent enough fuel so that the second stage could be light enough to land.. tricky in an abort scenario I'd imagine

[Anonymous No.12650292]

>>12650275
This

[Anonymous No.12650297]

>>12650253
*pogo oscillates into obit ripping all heat tiles away*

[Anonymous No.12650298]

>>12650265
>it was early next week last week
then it was tuesday
then wednesday
then it was friday
on friday it was monday
on sunday it's now tuesday
>approval still pending
I hate this.

[Anonymous No.12650304]

>>12650297
Ah, wait, shit, pogo oscillation is specific to liquid fueled engines, I didn't remember the exact SRB term.

[Anonymous No.12650314]

>>12650277
imagine an "SRB 9" where it's that design but with two more triple-booster cores attached to the front and back of the central core

[Anonymous No.12650318]

>>12650298
Face it, starship will never fly. SLS is the future.

[Anonymous No.12650323]

>>12649821
HYDROMEME BTFO

seriously though hydrogen is fucking pointless now. Only exception is maybe moon depots

>>12650089
>Bet he picked steel too
If I remember right he did and had to convince everyone else on the matter

[Anonymous No.12650325]

china: are rosing runch to spacex, do someting!!
biden: yes master

[Anonymous No.12650329]

100 ejection seats on starship

[Anonymous No.12650336]

>>12650273
The longer the Starship is on the pad, the stronger it will become.

[Anonymous No.12650340]

>>12650277

[Anonymous No.12650341]

>>12650329
or use ejection PODS.

[Anonymous No.12650342]

>>12650323
Hydrogen is a perfect outer solar system ISRU fuel

[Anonymous No.12650346]

>>12650329
Airlines don't have ejection seats.

[Anonymous No.12650348]

>>12650323
60 years of launching rockets before a man with a weird Jewish name looked at a Wikipedia article on energy density, thrust density, and exhaust velocity to see liquid methane is the best
Coincidentally it’s also the cheapest fuel and at the same temps as LOx.....

[Anonymous No.12650368]

>>12650329
>>12650346
Why has NASA had this autistic focus on abort systems for the last 50 years? We don't fill a fucking 747 with ejection seats for everyone, instead we focus on making the vehicle itself safe and reliable to the point that you don't need an ejection seat, so why is spaceflight difficult? Is it just another dumb example of 'space is hard' oldspace mentality? Overengineering the fuck out of things to the point that they actually become less reliable and more dangerous

[Anonymous No.12650373]

>>12650348
>60 years of launching rockets before a man with a weird Jewish name looked at a Wikipedia article on energy density, thrust density, and exhaust velocity to see liquid methane is the best
It's embarrassing how dogmatic and faith-based supposedly scientific fields can be. They assume that because everyone is "smart" that the status quo is correct; but if everyone is assuming that then no one is going to check to make sure.
The reality is that even those at the top of their game frequently cobble together solutions. "The genius scientist" is a romanticized trope that doesn't really exist, or rather one that doesn't supersede the fact that humans fuck up all the time. A PhD doesn't magically turn you into a logically flawless cyborg or some shit

>>12650265
If there actually are some heroic bastards working overtime in the FAA trying to fight back against an entrenched and inflexible system then I'll take back everything bad I've ever said about them. Pretty disappointed though that no journalists have managed to get a scoop on the details of the problems here.

[Anonymous No.12650380]

>>12650373
Berger will probably write a good article about it soon, but he will spin it as "Musk over works government workers on their weekend" kek

[Anonymous No.12650399]

HAPPENING
TFR TO SPACE CONFIRMED FOR TUESDAY

[Anonymous No.12650402]

Is there some efficient way to change from an orbit to the retrograde version of that orbit, other than burning 2x the orbital velocity's delta V?

[Anonymous No.12650411]

>>12650402
You could go into a solar orbit then drop back into an earth orbit.

[Anonymous No.12650413]

>>12650402
Gravity assist off a moon?

[Anonymous No.12650415]

January wasnt great but not terrible either. We got to see a new rocket being successfully launched; LauncherOne and a new satellite rideshare record.

The downsides were a lack of launches from other companies and countries and the very annoying delays for SN9. February from the look of things should be a vast improvement in this regard.

[Anonymous No.12650418]

>>12650402
if the change requires more delta-v than escape velocity, you should just leave

[Anonymous No.12650419]

>>12650399
uhhhhh I thought boeing was paying them off?

[Anonymous No.12650424]

>>12650399
TFR != FAA license

[Anonymous No.12650425]

>>12650419
no, there's no collusion or conspiracy here, it's just Bureaucracy being dicks normalstyle

[Anonymous No.12650431]

>>12650418
I’ve noticed that you can pick whether you go into a retrograde or prograde orbit when you encounter an object in KSP using only a tiny amount of delta/v, and it takes less delta/v to go into a solar orbit in KSP than it takes to burn off all of your orbital velocity by more than twice, so you could probably just do that in real life as well

[Anonymous No.12650444]

What if Elon just says "Screw the rules I have money" and launches SN9, 10 etc. without FAA approval? What can the FAA do then?

[Anonymous No.12650448]

>>12650444
Execute him

[Anonymous No.12650449]

>>12650444
fuck him up, the FAA has teeth

[Anonymous No.12650456]

>>12650444
Elon would have a better chance of launching by moving Boca Chica operations a few miles down to Mexico

[Anonymous No.12650483]

>>12650424
>here's your TFR as requested
>but you can't launch :^)

[Anonymous No.12650485]

>>12650444
At some point refusing to follow federal regulations and laws becomes a "feds physically imprison you" problem.

[Anonymous No.12650489]

>>12650444
deploy a crack squad of TSA warriors to assassinate him

[Anonymous No.12650492]

How hard would it be to build an orbital rocket by yourself?

[Anonymous No.12650498]

>>12650492
Technically or legally? If you can make HTPB and weld steel it's probably not super difficult to make an SRB, but that's functionally an ICBM so the government will scream at you as we've seen with Elon.

[Anonymous No.12650501]

why can't Elon just buy the FAA? regulatory capture works for Amazon

[Anonymous No.12650508]

>>12650485
Physically remove the feds. Elon should go full Arasaka/Weyland-Yutani

[Anonymous No.12650514]

>>12650492
Very hard. Closest thing we have is Copenhagen Suborbitals but as the name implies they won't even try to reach orbit.

[Anonymous No.12650515]

>>12650501
Does Elon really want to be the one managing all US airspace?

[Anonymous No.12650517]

>>12650265
>Government employee working weekends!!

How horrifying

[Anonymous No.12650522]

>>12650492
I think at that point you are making something way bigger than what some 1 or 5 man group can do, with performance needs that mandate specialists in propulsion/avionics/vehicle body/etc

[Anonymous No.12650523]

>Elon launches SN9 without approval
>Feds pour down on Boca Chica to investigate
>SN9 air bursts instead of attempting to land

[Anonymous No.12650526]

>>12650368
Well, assuming there was not some catastrophic failure, a failing airplane can glide down for a bumpy landing. A rocket is just going to fall out of the sky and explode on landing.

[Anonymous No.12650527]

>>12650492
This is the smallest orbital rocket, built by Japan. However hard it was to finance and legally build and launch this, but by yourself.

[Anonymous No.12650528]

>>12650265
Probably had to cut coffee breaks to only five per day as well.
RIP you humble workers of pen and paper, the future generations of space people will never forget your noble sacrifice

[Anonymous No.12650530]

>>12649333
They've been held back for 1 and half month already.

[Anonymous No.12650531]

>Future aliens discover barren Earth due to asteroid impact
>Aliens investigate why humanity went instinct without expanding to other planets
>FAA cancelled launch permits

[Anonymous No.12650536]

>>12649106
>18TH

What do these symbols mean?

[Anonymous No.12650537]

>>12650444
That would get him, Starship, and all of SpaceX literally cancelled.
That's why he's getting oil platforms.

[Anonymous No.12650538]

>>12650527
>3 ton vehicle
>3 kg payload
Ahhhhhh
Space is hard

[Anonymous No.12650539]

>>12650537
>Sealand used local radios
>Muskland uses Starlink to take over global comms

[Anonymous No.12650540]

It’s another
>What if Musk just launched anyways XD
>He can do whatever he wants with his oil platform, international waters!
Thread

[Anonymous No.12650541]

>>12650538
It's mostly because Earth has a heavy gravity well and thick atmosphere. An orbital rocket would sized much smaller on a planet like Mars.

[Anonymous No.12650542]

>>12650540
He can launch from the oil platform though.

[Anonymous No.12650545]

>>12650540
t. FAA

[Anonymous No.12650546]

>>12650540
Texas tank watchers will speculate over why the tank isn't hopping when it was supposed to.

[Anonymous No.12650549]

>>12650545
kek

[Anonymous No.12650550]

>>12650540
Alhamdulilah, FAA, your days are numbered !

[Anonymous No.12650553]

>>12650538
Dry mass penalties don't scale down well. It's why Starship can be so cheap.

[Anonymous No.12650555]

>>12650553
Square cube law actually kicks ass when it comes to rockets

[Anonymous No.12650556]

>>12650243
>hundreds of the things
I once calculated that with a mass budget of 10 metric tons per square meter of internal habitable area on average you could make enough habitable land to comfortably support a human population measured in the hundreds of billions just out of Phobos alone, and not even use up 70% of the available mass of that rock.

[Anonymous No.12650560]

>>12650538
Small rockets get hit really hard by structural mass and aero losses in particular.
Not to mention that they often use very low efficiency engines.

[Anonymous No.12650561]

>>12650368
It's probably about optics. We accept plane crashes as an unfortunate statistic due to how infrequently they occur.
Rocket explosions are simply more horrifying to the public

[Anonymous No.12650563]

>>12650402
just roll down the window and throw a bunch of stuff out in the opposite direction

[Anonymous No.12650565]

>>12650492
Easy if you have a garage, patience, and some money.

It's the vans and the swat teams that are the issue. (((They))) really don't want anyone to leave.

[Anonymous No.12650566]

>>12650304
SRBs just vibe my dude

[Anonymous No.12650570]

>>12650527
>>12650522
What if you attached a small rocket to a weather balloon? Surely you could cut down on some of the fuel costs by launching it from high up.

[Anonymous No.12650571]

>>12650565
If only there was a team of nations who wanted to get rid of (((them))). An axis of sorts? Ah well.

[Anonymous No.12650574]

>>12650556
Isn't that assuming a magic Star Trek mass conversion machine?

[Anonymous No.12650577]

>>12650373
a scientist is smart

scientists are stupid

[Anonymous No.12650578]

>>12650577
the best way to reduce IQ is to put someone in a group

[Anonymous No.12650579]

>>12650210
If you put the shuttle on top of the stack then you're no longer able to recover the main engines.

[Anonymous No.12650583]

>>12650570
Post your weather balloon that can lift, at absolute minimum, 3 tons

[Anonymous No.12650594]

>>12650577
>>12650578
Men in Black is a great movie

>>12650583
Rockoons are a meme. Air launch is literally better

[Anonymous No.12650605]

>>12650594
Rockoon sounds like a Pokémon name.

[Anonymous No.12650614]

Is it possible to land the Electron first stage propulsively? Also, does Rocket Lab have any plans for a larger launch vehicle?

[Anonymous No.12650642]

>>12650614
1) Probably not, or at least it’s not practical. Electron is light enough to be swooped out of the air anyways it’s not like it’s a 45 ton Falcon 9 core.
2) So far there’s none. I think RocketLab wants to enter the satellite business instead

[Anonymous No.12650661]

>>12650614
It’s a small sat launcher
Reuse losses would remove its ability to teach orbit

[Anonymous No.12650667]

>>12650605
apparently this is a thing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_City_Trash_Pandas

[Anonymous No.12650672]

>>12649978

[Anonymous No.12650686]

>>12650614
>Also, does Rocket Lab have any plans for a larger launch vehicle?
Unfortunately, "Proton" is already taken.

[Anonymous No.12650690]

>>12650614
electron II: electric boogaloo (again)

[Anonymous No.12650697]

>>12650686
They should make a top quark rocket

[Anonymous No.12650726]

Fuck now I'm confused. Why is the top quark heavier than the other quarks?

[Anonymous No.12650735]

>>12650726
Just is.
That's why it's on top.

[Anonymous No.12650742]

>>12650726
It's top-heavy.

[Anonymous No.12650743]

>>12650735
Based incomprehensible Lovecraftian universe

[Anonymous No.12650746]

>>12650614
>Is it possible to land the Electron first stage propulsively?
pretty sure that's impossible for such a small vehicle. Wet-dry fraction can only get so good at that size.

[Anonymous No.12650749]

>>12650686
Neutron, with an upper stage called Staged Transport with Advanced Reliability

[Anonymous No.12650761]

>https://youtu.be/gaJTDvOIXbk?t=539
geeze, rs-25 startup is pretty violent

[Anonymous No.12650774]

>>12650761
No it isn’t
All rockets shake on start up

[Anonymous No.12650775]

>>12647619
Damn, this was the launch site in December 2018. Time really does fly

[Anonymous No.12650781]

>>12650540
He is not subject to FAA restrictions, only applies in US airspace. Rocketlab doesn't have to deepthroat the FAA to launch in New Zealand. So long as ITAR restrictions are met he can do pretty much whatever the fuck he wants in international waters. That being said the government will probably make some new rules to cockblock him.

[Anonymous No.12650793]

>>12650781
>So long as ITAR restrictions are met he can do pretty much whatever the fuck he wants in international waters
The UN would raise a bitch fit about a private company testing what is essentially an ICBM in international waters. And sure, it's just the UN, but there would still be problems.

[Anonymous No.12650794]

>>12650793
Kill the UN

[Anonymous No.12650803]

>>12650540
>muh ITAR
If it got that bad Musk could leave the US and find new employees and/or pay for his current employees to leave with him
checkmate faggots

[Anonymous No.12650805]

>>12650794
I'll do it from the moon, it may take me a while to get there though

[Anonymous No.12650814]

>>12650803
Inb4 Chinese SpaceX after America goes South Africa

[Anonymous No.12650820]

>>12650399
>From surface to space.
H A B B E N I N

[Anonymous No.12650829]

>>12650399
We're going.

[Anonymous No.12650834]

>>12650574
Nope, it's assuming you're building your cylinders out of a relatively thin airtight liner (ie steel bottle) and getting the tensile strength it needs by wrapping it in basalt fiber (Phobos is mostly basaltic rock from what we can tell, which you turn into fibers by melting and extruding through a thing). Water and nitrogen stuff can come from elsewhere but that would make up maybe 1% of the mass of the combined habitats so it's not that big a problem, plus you can actually just sent those habitats out to somewhere else to get filled up where they'll be more useful (for example, into a high Jupiter or Saturn orbit).

[Anonymous No.12650836]

>>12650697
fag culture has ruined top and bottom quarks for me

[Anonymous No.12650838]

>>12650834
>billions of tons can just come from somewhere else, no bigge

[Anonymous No.12650841]

>>12650774
Yeah it is though, no other rocket engine shakes nearly as hard as RS-25. It's because of how over expanded its nozzle is.

[Anonymous No.12650845]

>>12650838
When that somewhere else is a gas giant, yes.

[Anonymous No.12650848]

>>12650838
There's like a gorillobintroglion tons of ice just loitering around out there

[Anonymous No.12650849]

>>12650492
Minimum necessary mone is probably five million give or take, and depending on how prepared ahead of time you are and how good your team and equipment is, probably a minimum of five years work, assuming you don't encounter any major hiccups.
You're aiming for a rocket around the size of Atlas D, so 25-35m tall, 2.5-3m wide, with a total thrust of around 2000kN.
Copenhagen Sub's Spica rocket looks like it's going to run them 1.5-2 million US, but even if your capsule is even smaller than Mercury your rocket is probably going to be twice the size at least and more than twice the cost.

[Anonymous No.12650859]

>>12650399
Cool, I might get a birthday hop

[Anonymous No.12650863]

HOP ON TUESDAY, CONFIRMED BY DADDY MUSK?

[Anonymous No.12650887]

Wernher was right again!

>A Congressional investigation in June 1962 called the overall management of the Centaur program "weak," and Wernher von Braun recommended that it be cancelled in favor of a Saturn I with an Agena upper stage for planetary missions. The Congressional committee was headed by Representative Joseph Karth (D-Minnesota), who expressed his opinion that Centaur was a useless project.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas-Centaur

[Anonymous No.12650897]

>The Gnome detonation created a cavity about 170 ft (52 m) wide and almost 90 ft (27 m) high with a floor of melted rock and salt.

So in less than a second, a 3 kilotonne baby pocket nuke makes a giant cave with ~1.4 cubic kilometres of space. Imagine what a few megatonnes would do and how many warheads you could fit on a starship. Why would you bother making pressurised rad proof space any other way? One fucking nuke could give you the volume that would take decades and countless amounts of dollars to build.

[Anonymous No.12650904]

>>12650897
>Detonate giant bomb underground
>Roof caves in
>You made a sinkhole!
>????
>Profit!

[Anonymous No.12650909]

>>12650863
You are on the TFR council, but we do not grant you the rank of FAA approved flight test. Take a seat, young Starship.

[Anonymous No.12650911]

>>12650887
von Based, FUCK shittaur.

[Anonymous No.12650916]

>>12650887
If it ain't broke don't fix it I guess. I wonder what Von Braun would have done if given unlimited funds for an upper stage. Probably some nuclear shit or something lol

[Anonymous No.12650919]

>>12650904
It's a matter of selecting the correct medium, as you can see this particular test did not result in that. If you wanted to be extra sure it won't fall in later you could shore the roof for minimal materials and work compared to any other kind of habitat structure.

[Anonymous No.12650921]

>>12650887
Why the fuck does hydrogen always come with so many problems and government mismanagement. Just make a tank with UDMH and nitric acid and throw an engine on it, it's that easy

[Anonymous No.12650923]

>>12650921
>Just make a tank with UDMH and nitric acid and throw an engine on it, it's that easy
That's basically what Agena was.

[Anonymous No.12650924]

>>12650897
>~1.4 cubic kilometres of space
Are you that one anon who didn't understand that the term "cubic kilometer" means a cube that is a kilometer long on all sides?

[Anonymous No.12650925]

>>12650921
But muh isp

[Anonymous No.12650928]

>>12650897
>[imagine] many warheads you could fit on a starship
Imagine trying to get the FAA to approve THIS flight lmao

[Anonymous No.12650929]

>>12650924
Oh god people remember my fuckup from several months ago still

[Anonymous No.12650931]

>>12650923
Yeah that's what I was alluding to, it WAS agena
>>12650925
Chasing isp with no concern for the other factors like tank size and fuel leakage was the dumbest rabbit hole the government ever fell into, besides maybe SSTO's. They might as well have been chasing unicorns

[Anonymous No.12650935]

>>12650928
the first stop on the trip IS the FAA

[Anonymous No.12650939]

Why are rockets in the modern day so quick to throw foam on the outside (especially the Shittle, which ultimately cost the lives of astronauts). Saturn S-IVB got away with using foam INSIDE the tank. Why is that not done nowadays?

[Anonymous No.12650941]

>>12650916
>. I wonder what Von Braun would have done if given unlimited funds for an upper stage. Probably some nuclear shit or something lol
Saturn V based NERVA orbital ferry stages, iirc.

[Anonymous No.12650944]

I just know that the "surface to space" parameter of the flight is so they don't get a violation for an engine failing to cut off or something. Elon had to tell them it's a fucking test rocket and anything can happen

[Anonymous No.12650945]

>>12650939
The foam has to be on the outside for hydrogen tanks. It's one of many reason hydrogen propellant is retarded.

[Anonymous No.12650953]

>>12650941
We didn't deserve him

[Anonymous No.12650955]

>>12650944
>Oops looks like your rocket hit 12,501 meters
>No launch license for you
>Space is hard
>:)

[Anonymous No.12650957]

>>12650953
The wrong side won the war. Everything between Paperclip era NASA and SpaceX was awful.

[Anonymous No.12650967]

>>12650928
>Why yes we have loaded a starship with a cumulative total of 500 megatonnes worth of warheads
>If you don't give us permission we'll just drop it on your fucking office

[Anonymous No.12650973]

>>12650957
NASA stopped being Kino when challenger blew up. The first few shuttle flights were based

[Anonymous No.12650978]

>>12650955
damn, young Elon is ugly

[Anonymous No.12650981]

NEW THREAD NIGGERS!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.12650982]

> 1969 - Montgomery seals a time capsule to mark its 150th anniversary - to be opened in 2019 on the 200th anniversary
>2019 - time capsule opened, letter from Wernher von Braun inside. Transcription:
After the turn of the century, when this time capsule will be opened, space exploration will have advanced to a degree unforseen in these opening years of space flight. It is our fondest hope that space advancements follow the trend that we attempted to establish in the 1960's and are directed toward the benefit of mankind and toward the uplifting of all earth's people.
Sincerely yours,
[signature]
Wernher von Braun
Director

[Anonymous No.12650984]

>>12650981
no

[Anonymous No.12650987]

>>12650984
I'm going to make a new one and you cannot stop me

[Anonymous No.12650989]

>>12650982
All I can say is, thank the good Lord for SpaceX. Imagine if SLS was the only thing that had "advanced" since Apollo

[Anonymous No.12651003]

>>12650982
Legitimately makes me sad.

[Anonymous No.12651005]

>>12650982
:(

[Anonymous No.12651012]

Thread has staged.

Ignition:
>>12651011
>>12651011
>>12651011

[Anonymous No.12651013]

>>12650982
Imagine if Hitler had been running the show

>1960s
>Well done von Braun you put man in the moon, this is some real aryan manifest destiny shit
>Here's 1% of the GDP of Europe indefinitely
>Make it happen, for Europe
>2020
>Solar system wide reich

[Anonymous No.12651016]

>>12650614
No, it wouldn't have the fuel to both land and deliver payload to orbit. The larger the rocket, the more reasonable propulsive landing is.
Peter Beck has been noncommittal on whether a larger rocket is in the works lately. In an interview with Eric Berger, he said "if we made another rocket, it would be reusable" (or something to that effect). When NSF asked him about his plans, he replied that he's learned not to say Rocket Lab won't do something, before going on to give a pretty firm "no" to human spaceflight later in the interview. It wouldn't surprise me if one was in the works, but they would either have to scale parachutes to a larger rocket, dump a ton of money into propulsive landing, or build something that glides.

[Anonymous No.12651024]

>>12651013
>never ever get any nuclear engines because that would be jewish

[Anonymous No.12651085]

>>12647932
What happened with the extra fuel in the first stage Proton-Light? Did they start chilling the oxidizer and shrink its volume?

[Anonymous No.12651129]

>still using rockets in 2021

holy fuck when is it gonna stop