A reminder of some basic facts everyone should agree on.

[Anonymous No.12645498]

> The Earth is an oblate spheroid.
> The Moon landings happened and space travel is real.
> Newtonian Mechanics is an accurate and incomplete description of reality.
> Quantum Mechanics is an accurate and incomplete description of reality.
> Special and General Relativity are accurate and incomplete descriptions of reality.
> The Standard Model of particle physics is an accurate and incomplete description of reality.
> The Lambda-CDM model is an accurate and incomplete description of reality.
> Faster-than-light communication is impossible.
> Perpetuum mobiles, over-unity devices, energy-from-nothing generators, propulsionless drives and the like can not and will never work.
> Likewise, it is impossible to extract work from the zero-point energy of the vacuum.
> More generally, if you disagree with thermodynamics, you are wrong.
> Climate change is real, is happening right now, is a real threat and is mostly caused by humans.
> Approved vaccines are effective and much safer than the diseases they prevent.
> "I don't understand this" or "this doesn't make sense to me" are not legitimate criticisms of established scientific theories. The fact that the universe is not simple enough for you to understand is your failing, not the universe's.
> Anyone claiming to have an alternative theory to established science should be able to explain why established science seems to give accurate answers and be able to give a concrete prediction that can be checked by experiment, where it should outperform the current theory.

For those who will start arguing about "accurate and incomplete":
"Accurate": Models built from the theory accurately predict the outcomes of experiments and do not differ appreciably from reality within the theory's domain of validity, which is large enough to be useful.
"Incomplete": The theory's domain of validity does not encompass the entire universe.

If you want to argue this, first read > http://chem.tufts.edu/answersinscience/relativityofwrong.htm

[Anonymous No.12645520]

>>12645498
>> Perpetuum mobiles, over-unity devices, energy-from-nothing generators, propulsionless drives and the like can not and will never work.
>> Likewise, it is impossible to extract work from the zero-point energy of the vacuum.
>> More generally, if you disagree with thermodynamics, you are wrong.
>> Climate change is real, is happening right now, is a real threat and is mostly caused by humans.
>> Approved vaccines are effective and much safer than the diseases they prevent.
Nice try Schlomo. Here’s a basic fact for you
>Jewish global manipulation directed by Satan is an accurate and incomplete description of reality

[Anonymous No.12645537]

>>12645498
Based

[Anonymous No.12645542]

>>12645498
i like that picture
i focus way too much using insight

[Anonymous No.12645554]

>>12645498
Had me until the vaccines propaganda

[Anonymous No.12645736]

>>12645498
>http://chem.tufts.edu/answersinscience/relativityofwrong.htm
This was enjoyable to read, but I would like to to point out that Quantum Mechanics requires a larger leap of faith to trust the judgement of scientists on than the one needed to take them at their word on something like the shape of the earth. It is not nearly so easily verified, or even understood. Subatomic particles and their behavior (or even existence, depending on how skeptical one is) is not nearly as intuitive. In fact, from my understanding, you wouldn’t be able to describe most of the results quantum mechanics at all to a person without some degree of mathematical sophistication.

[Anonymous No.12645751]

>>12645498
Based. I too frequently have to cite based daddy Asimov.
>"John, when people thought the earth was flat, they were wrong. When people thought the earth was spherical, they were wrong. But if you think that thinking the earth is spherical is just as wrong as thinking the earth is flat, then your view is wronger than both of them put together."

[Anonymous No.12645764]

>>12645736
Math helps you formalize the findings, but you also don't need math to understand just how powerful quantum mechanics has been in describing phenomena. One can write a whole book on it. In a nutshell:
>double split experiment verified electrons behave as waves
>Schrodinger equation
>DIS experiments reveal proton has substructure
>Feynman calls this parton model, some particles inside proton
>QFT calls subatomic particles quarks
>mathematics shows this parton model and quark model are equivalent in describing the momentum of subatomic particles
>quark-parton model
What people need to understand, is that physicists adopted the quantum model of particles not because they wanted to (they didn't!) but because it works.

[Anonymous No.12645773]

>>12645764
Indeed. Not to mention that QM offers real explanations of how atoms and molecules are structured and how chemistry works. Not to mention that we wouldn't be able to make any of our modern electronics without a proper understanding of QM.

[Anonymous No.12645783]

>>12645498
> The Earth is an oblate spheroid.
zero evidence. your CGI (((NASA))) pics dont count
> The Moon landings happened and space travel is real.
this has been debunked. no one questions whether or not the moon landing happened. they just question whether or not the footage is real (which it isnt)
> Newtonian Mechanics is an accurate and incomplete description of reality.
> Quantum Mechanics is an accurate and incomplete description of reality.
> Special and General Relativity are accurate and incomplete descriptions of reality.
> The Standard Model of particle physics is an accurate and incomplete description of reality.
> The Lambda-CDM model is an accurate and incomplete description of reality.
the only people who argue this are retarded 'math is racist' leftoids. i dont know what point youre trying to make

> Climate change is real, is happening right now, is a real threat and is mostly caused by humans.
and im out. honestly, im not going to bother with the rest of your positions. i think you're new to this realm - perhaps just at the beginning of your journey. do some reading before making yourself look so foolish.

[Anonymous No.12645805]

>>12645783
>the only people who argue this are retarded 'math is racist' leftoids. i dont know what point youre trying to make
Maybe you aren’t an American. I can think of dozens of people I have met who will happily tell anyone who will listen to them that "science is all bullshit and lies". By which they mean to say they view all scientific results/models/theories as wrong, as lies perpetuated by academics and elitists, and maybe even intentional deception to lead humanity astray of God's divine light.

[The Universe Is Meth No.12645832]

>>12645554
Psy ops 101: Truth and falsehood by association. Associate pro-vaccine programing with obviously true facts like the roundness of the earth. Conversely, associate vaccine skepticism with obviously false statements and flat earthers. Don't forget to mention that anyone skeptical of the lookdowns thinks corona is caused by 5G.

[Anonymous No.12645898]

>>12645498
thanks for this thread

[Anonymous No.12645903]

>>12645498
Thank goodness nobody agrees with you.
We all can think for ourselves.

[Anonymous No.12645917]

>>12645498
All the dot colorings and graph segments on this picture are not any more justified than the unicorn. Is this the comic idea: science isn't any better than conspiracies, but conspiracies are at least fun?

[Anonymous No.12645918]

>>12645498
Well said.

[Anonymous No.12645922]

> Faster-than-light communication is impossible.
Sounds like religious dogma.

[Anonymous No.12645956]

>>12645922
right. nothing is impossible, and if anyone makes any declarative statements something is, thats a dogma... you are retarded

[Anonymous No.12645959]

>>12645956
Unironically this.

[Anonymous No.12645964]

>>12645959
Wait. So you think literally anything is possible? Wouldn't that imply that there are and can be no rules at all? Wouldnt that further imply that any consistency and reproduiceability is coincidental?

[Anonymous No.12645970]

>>12645498
>implying the universe operates by rules
>implying reality is defined entirely by consensus
Everyone remember, if truth wasn't determined by belief, shills like OP wouldn't be trying to convince you.

[Anonymous No.12645974]

>>12645970
Facts have to be determined by consensus. If you and I both assert something, but come to different conclusions, one of us is wrong. Even axioms of logic are agreed upon via consensus. Surely you don't go through live rejecting all of knowledge?

[Anonymous No.12645976]

>>12645964
If you definitely state something (in the list of facts you consider important and after all the "accurate but incomplete" points), then it's you who are being dogmatic. I can only claim that faster-than-light-travel is impossible with the current level of science and technology. I can't say the same about, say, 100 years later.

[Anonymous No.12645977]

>>12645970
*isn't

[Anonymous No.12645980]

>>12645974
reality conforms to consensus, my dear bluepilled friend
the belief comes first

[Anonymous No.12645986]

>>12645964
Maybe the laws of pbysics aren’t consistent across the universe (there’s a specific term describing this idea but I can’t recall it), or maybe the laws of physics could change at some point. Saying "nothing is impossible" or "x is impossible" are both too vague to be meaningful without further qualifications, such as
"Within the scope of x, y is impossible" obviously that is inherently the implied meaning of such a statement, but maybe worth mentioning here to avoid confusion.

[Anonymous No.12646032]

>>12645498
>here have a bunch of claims that can’t be proven even according to science
>make a religion out of it

[Anonymous No.12646054]

>>12645976
I can see where you are coming from, and i understand that the technologyes of the future are hard to fathom. However, if the universe adheres to some kind of logic, which it seems to, cause and effect seem to suggest so, There must be things that are not possible. And using observation and measurement of things we can observe, it sould be possible to find things that are and arent possible. So saying something is ipossible, can be dogmatic if it is unfounded, but it can alos be just correct.

[Anonymous No.12646077]

>>12645986
Yeah, that makes sence. There are some things though, that i'm having a hard time imagineing changing, or being possible. If anything is possible, the for instance you could have a circle where the relation between the radius and the surconferance is not determined by pi. If anything is possible, that should be possible in right now, under current circomstances.
I understand the entirety of existance could be much bigger and "wider/deeper" the we can comprehend, dut for this universe as it is now, OP's statements can i think safely be considered correct.

[Anonymous No.12646088]

>>12645783
god i hope this is a meme

[Anonymous No.12646110]

>>12646088
yeah it is don't worry man
just love memeing ;)

[Anonymous No.12646131]

>>12645498
"research" where the scientist loses their job and funding if their results don't say the right thing is not equal to science

"race doesn't exist" and "wanting to mutilate your genitals is healthy" are
>established science
because science no longer follows scientific principles, ignores reproducibility in favor of political conformity and saying what gets you paid instead of what's true.

[Anonymous No.12646135]

People stopped listening to you because you kept lying, now people don't even listen when you tell the truth

[Anonymous No.12646228]

>>12645498
>Climate change is real, is happening right now
ok
>is a real threat
meh, immigration (invasion) is a bigger issue
>and is mostly caused by humans
youre a chink shill

[Anonymous No.12646260]

>>12645498
>9/11 was a false flag attack perpetrated by the USA/Israel/Saud.
>Epstein didn't kill himself.
Etc. Most 'conspiracy theories' are political, because politics really is rich with insane criminal conspiracies that the perpetrators only make the laziest pretense of hiding, and which are regularly exposed.

>The Moon landings happened and space travel is real.
There's actually real cause to doubt that. I never wanted to believe any of that shit but there is definite fuckery going on with the early apollo footage creating at least an inkling of doubt if at least some of it wasn't faked (and any of it being faked would imply it all was).

> Faster-than-light communication is impossible.
> Perpetuum mobiles, over-unity devices, energy-from-nothing generators, propulsionless drives and the like can not and will never work.
> Likewise, it is impossible to extract work from the zero-point energy of the vacuum.
LOL. Firm statements about what will NEVER EVER be possible are always reasonable and a sign of somebody who understands the world very well. (FTL communication and reactionless drives have both been demonstrated, stupid.)

> Approved vaccines are effective and much safer than the diseases they prevent.
Except when they're not, which also happens, because the people and institutions making the approvals aren't perfect either. Especially the COVID rush vaccines is going to be potentially the mistake that kills us all.

[Anonymous No.12646314]

>>12646260
>(FTL communication and reactionless drives have both been demonstrated, stupid.)
Nope. They have not been. There is no evidence of any FTL communication ever, and the reactionless drive stuff has been shown to just be measurement noise.

[Anonymous No.12646362]

>>12645498
>fact A is true because fact B is true
>fact B is true because fact A is true
not saying physics aren't real but that's cyclical reasoning my fren

[Anonymous No.12646387]

>>12645498
If the alcubierre drive is theoretically possible then people could travel ftl and communicate. You need to revise what you mean by ftl communication. Maybe you meant electronic data transmission?

[Anonymous No.12646416]

>>12646387
I mean to say that the alcubierre drive, while mathematically consistent with GR, cannot exist in reality because to make that spacetime geometry requires negative energy density. It's a mathematical solution, not a physical one.

[Anonymous No.12646433]

>>12645498

[Anonymous No.12646535]

>>12646416
You can't prove that negative energy density doesn't or can't exist. It still has meaning in the current physics theories you call incomplete, it just hasn't been observed

[Anonymous No.12646606]

>>12646535
what is even negative energy?

[Anonymous No.12646623]

>>12646606
It's when you promise to return some energy by the Tuesday.

[Anonymous No.12646709]

>>12645917
>When a wise man points at the moon the imbecile examines the finger.

[Anonymous No.12646721]

>>12646709
Imagine an idiot who will run in the streets with his finger constantly pointing to the moon.

[Anonymous No.12646743]

>>12646721
Kek what a retard

[Anonymous No.12646760]

>>12646743
That's right, only retards will try to poke the moon (and spend their home time connecting dots).

[Anonymous No.12646761]

>>12646131
some things being wrong makes everything wrong?

[Anonymous No.12646770]

>>12646761
If you lead a honest life 99.99% of time and then one day kill someone, you go to prison.

[Anonymous No.12646773]

>>12645498
Why are you writing this? This is obvious.

[Anonymous No.12646787]

>>12646770
science isn't just one guy or one entity tho
feel free to do your own research to debunk whatever you think is wrong

[Anonymous No.12646795]

There is no evidence for any gods. How can anyone dispute that?

[Anonymous No.12646942]

>>12645498
>where it should outperform the current theory
Complete brainlet tier. If you find something that seriously undermines an "established" science you don't need to also invent a better way to explain observations before you reject the "established" science. Your criteria is just paving the way for creating dogma and systemic ivory tower ignorance.

[Anonymous No.12646982]

>>12646942
Established science works. It will only be replaced by something that works better. If it doesn't, it will be rejected.

[Anonymous No.12647041]

>>12646982
Do you not understand the difference between "reject" and "replace" or did you not realize how ambiguous writing "it" in a new sentence is?

You can reject established science if you find a major fault and you can do so without needing to replace the science with something else. Rainbow gravity theory would probably disprove the big bang for instance and create more questions than it answers, but nobody says the BB has to be replaced with something else before RGT disproves it (I'm not advocating RGT it's almost certainly wrong, I'm just making an example)

[Anonymous No.12647048]

>>12647041
That's why I'm talking about established science. Established science is science that is supported by such overwhelming evidence that it cannot be wrong, only incomplete. Relativity is established science. String theory is not.

[Anonymous No.12647120]

>>12645498
>> The Earth is an oblate spheroid.
The flat earth can also be considered an very oblate spheroid :^)
>accurate and incomplete description of reality
Your philosophy of physics is wrong and gay
>Perpetuum mobiles, over-unity devices, energy-from-nothing generators, propulsionless drives and the like can not and will never work.
>More generally, if you disagree with thermodynamics, you are wrong.
Prove it :^)
>> Anyone claiming to have an alternative theory to established science should be able to explain why established science seems to give accurate answers and be able to give a concrete prediction that can be checked by experiment, where it should outperform the current theory.
Since when did Newton have to "explain why established" Ptolemy theory "seems to give accurate answers and be able to give a concrete prediction that can be checked by experiment"? Again your philosophy of physics is wrong and gay.
>answers in science
>The Skeptical Inquirer, Fall 1989, Vol. 14, No. 1, Pp. 35-44
>By Isaac Asimov
Cringe. Read some actually science textbooks rather than popsci articles by meme authors.
>domain of validity, which is large enough to be useful.
No, particle physics is still science even if it's useless.

[Anonymous No.12647142]

>>12645498
>Climate change is real, is happening right now, is a real threat
To whom?
>Approved vaccines
Approved by who?

Fuck you for slipping those in at the end. I half expected to see some shit about how the Holocaust happened.

[Anonymous No.12647168]

>>12645498
Inverting everything you said seems more aligned with the Truth than what you said tho

[Anonymous No.12647222]

>>12647168
This.
It also works for the virus. "There is no coronavirus" and "Measures against coronavirus are good and necessary" are both not true, but first is far closer to the truth than second.

[Anonymous No.12647335]

>>12645498
You are misleading people Unicorn is wisdom, not the conspiracy theory.

[Anonymous No.12647368]

>>12647142
It did happen.

[Anonymous No.12647430]

>>12645498
Based

[Anonymous No.12647439]

>>12645498
Where did we go so wrong that this unironically needed to be posted? Fucking /pol/ schizos

[Anonymous No.12647452]

>>12647439
Somewhere in 60-70s.

[Anonymous No.12647483]

>>12645498
>For those who will start arguing about "accurate and incomplete":
>"Accurate": Models built from the theory accurately predict the outcomes of experiments and do not differ appreciably from reality within the theory's domain of validity, which is large enough to be useful.
>"Incomplete": The theory's domain of validity does not encompass the entire universe.
Just adjust the domain of validity for any conspiracy theory, and that conspiracy theory becomes an "accurate and incomplete descriptions of reality."

>if you disagree with thermodynamics, you are wrong.
What kind of anti-science is this; 'if you disagree, you are automatically wrong' bull crap?
back to >>>/x/ with you

[Anonymous No.12647622]

>>12645498
> Faster-than-light communication is impossible
Gravitational waves can travel much, much faster than C by virtue of the fact that they aren't a thing so much as a deformation of space-time. If you could find a way to reliably generate gravitational waves you could easily communicate FTL. That being said the manipulation of quantities of mass large enough to create such waves is like a T1 Civilizational tech, so far beyond humanities level it might as well be magic.

But it's not impossible. Ultimately FTL communication is impossible for humans, but the Universe sends information in the form of gravitational waves traveling FTL all the time.

[Anonymous No.12647974]

>>12647483
>There is only me. There is no such thing as record-keeping. Therefore there is no means of comparing the predictive power of theories according to the domains defined in them.

[Anonymous No.12647991]

>>12647974
>I have no argument, therefore I'll assert/project solipsism.

[Anonymous No.12648003]

What do you guys think about flat earth theories?

[Anonymous No.12648017]

>be able to give a concrete prediction that can be checked by experiment

You can't require that an alternate theory function within the same epistemology of your preferred worldview. What if an empirical experiment was not part of the alternative theory at all? What kuhn called paradigms in the structure of scientific revolutions, the new "paradigm" may not fit with what you want in terms of epistemology, nevertheless could be more fundamental and complete.

[Anonymous No.12648034]

I always love how butthurt this pasta makes so many people

[Anonymous No.12648039]

>>12645498
All of these are true, but I'd also add:
>Trans women are women
>Trans men are men
>Non-binary identities are valid

[Anonymous No.12648051]

>>12645498
Unicorn is the only truth, amen.

[Anonymous No.12648100]

>>12648039
Holy based

[Anonymous No.12648153]

I don't think you know what science is, dumbass.

[Anonymous No.12648226]

>>12647483
>Just adjust the domain of validity for any conspiracy theory, and that conspiracy theory becomes an "accurate and incomplete descriptions of reality."

The moon landings never happened and the Apollo program faked everything.
Please adjust the domain of validity to make this an accurate description of reality.

[Anonymous No.12648815]

>>12645498
>Faster-than-light communication is impossible according to our current understanding of physics.
>Perpetuum mobiles, over-unity devices, energy-from-nothing generators, propulsionless drives and the like can not and will never work according to our current understanding of physics.
>Likewise, it is impossible to extract work from the zero-point energy of the vacuum according to our current understanding of physics.
FIFY

[Anonymous No.12648920]

>>12645832
TAKE YOUR MEDS YOU SCHIZO

[Anonymous No.12649503]

>>12646433

[Anonymous No.12649732]

>>12648039
>Rainbow gravity theory

[Anonymous No.12649770]

>>12649503
Are youy disgusted when you look in a mirror, and see your nigger hair, nigger lips and nigger nose ?
Do you wish jewesses were less obsessed with fucking niggers ?
Do you wish your dad was actually your dad ?

[Anonymous No.12650930]

earth is a cell in a body that is composed of many cells.

All living things on earth breathe, and it has never been established that all plants breathe at all times.

We know that every animal that is alive has lungs and a set of pneumatic muscles in its body that moves the air in and out of the lungs.

In his book The Great Builder, George Creel noted, "The lungs have never been a mystery.

All animals breathe; all plants breathe. all anons seethe

[Anonymous No.12650940]

>>12650930
>We know that every animal that is alive has lungs
>what are fish

[Anonymous No.12650963]

>>12645498
OP picture is flawed due to the preemptive shape of the horsie already existing in the artists mind to create the joke, and as such, the horsie is not a conspiracy, and is in fact the purest struct.

[Anonymous No.12651000]

>>12650940
What are bacteriophage

[Anonymous No.12651040]

[Anonymous No.12651044]

>>12651000

viruses that infect bacteria

[Anonymous No.12651079]

>>12645783

[Anonymous No.12651098]

>>12645498
>data
>implying

[Anonymous No.12651106]

>>12651040
I don't know how anyone could believe that theory after the 4 blood moons in a row happened as predicted with spherical shadows on the moon.
Hell, just look at the fucking moon, it's round.

[Anonymous No.12651191]

>>12648017
True, but then you have to ask what grounds your theory? How can you distinguish between a consistent falsehood and untestable truth? Pure consistency requirements can only get you so far (and seem to misguide due to limited perspective/imagination). We need empirical verification to be able to check whether our models are consistent or inconsistent with reality.

[Anonymous No.12651195]

>>12647439
It's amazing, isn't it? So many people so detached from reality. (Or with no clue what science is and how it operates.)

[Anonymous No.12651241]

>>12651040
Best and most intuitive proof I've seen of the Earth's curvature, but of course if you showed a flat eather this they would just say it was atmospheric lensing.
No proof or evidence can ever convince them they're wrong, they didn't believe flat earth in the first place because they were convinced by evidence or reasoning, and they can't be reasoned out of it. I think the same dynamic is manifest in people with other delusions like Qanon or Jewish world domination. They weren't reasoned into the conspiracy, they fell into it because the conspiracy played an emotional function. Perhaps for some it's a need to blame any and all of their own failings or disappointments on others. Some Trump followers got their guy elected, but then nothing changed for them, so they had to resolve that cognitive dissonance somehow. For Qanon supporters that dissonance was resolved by the conspiracy that they weren't really in power: Trump was president but the "deep state" was really in control, and things hadn't gotten any better because the evil deep state was preventing Trump from enacting the policies that would really help them. I think the conspiracy will basically fade as quickly as it gained popularity now Biden is president and the democrats are in control, so republican boomer soccer moms will just blame things being bad on the democrats. These belief systems provide a comforting emotional crutch which help them manage with unpleasant feelings.

[Anonymous No.12651827]

>>12645520
>Jewish global manipulation directed by Satan is an accurate and incomplete description of reality
I want this printed on a T-Shirt.

[Anonymous No.12651840]

>>12651195
Sneed

[Anonymous No.12652556]

>>12651241
>earth being a round shape is not a new theory and it was scientifiacally proved 2000 years ago by Eratosthenes. He even calculated the circuference using a stick.

The main argument in the middle ages claimedd by the church was that the solar system was geocentric.

For flat earther dummies out there get another one of your dummy friend, a stick, two walki talkies and replicate the experiment.

Stupid fucks

[Anonymous No.12652569]

Stopped reading at Quantum Mechanics

[Anonymous No.12652608]

>>12646416
But the reason you say FTL is impossible is similarly because mathematical axioms in GR.

You're literally saying FTL is impossible because the math says it's impossible, while saying alcubbierre drive is impossible despite math saying it's possible.

[Anonymous No.12652663]

>>12645498
>>Faster-than-light communication is impossible.
What about entanglement?

[Anonymous No.12653075]

> Faster-than-light communication is impossible.

Aside form nothing being able to go fast enough, I don’t see any problem with FTL communication. Sure it leads to paradoxes, but these only apply if you assume past and future exist. I am yet to see a solid proof of past and future. I have never beed to the future and I cannot go to the past as I am always stuck in the present. It is my belief that should hysicists drop the silly notion of time, they would be able to produce much more accurate and complete description of reality,

[Anonymous No.12653082]

>>12652556
>main argument in the middle ages claimed by Aristotelian was that the solar system was geocentric
ftfy

[Anonymous No.12653096]

>>12645498
>chess belongs on /sci/

[Anonymous No.12653476]

>>12653075
It's because physicists are conflating light with information with reality.
Which to be fair makes sense, because if it's impossible to measure then it's effectively the same as not existing.

[Anonymous No.12653617]

>>12652663
You cannot have FTL communications with entanglement.

[Anonymous No.12653635]

>>12645498
> Anyone claiming to have an alternative theory to established science should be able to explain why established science seems to give accurate answers
no
>and be able to give a concrete prediction that can be checked by experiment, where it should outperform the current theory.
yes

[Anonymous No.12653659]

>>12645498
>Faster-than-light communication is impossible.
KILL YOURSELF I HATE YOU. FUCK YOU