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12644337 No.12644337[DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

>masks don't protect you they protect others from you

>> No.12644342

>>12644337
- surgical mask will filter exhales
- n95 mask without valve will filter both exhales and inhales
- n95 mask with valve will filter only inhales

>> No.12644346

>>12644337
That's not a very abstract concept anon. Have you ever being to a doctor or dentist?

>> No.12644347

>>12644342
Fuck valve niggers.

Then again, The fact that most people wear masks ( in non shithole countries) protects most. The only big factor of risk is going to the hospital and people get reinfected there.

In El Salvador we are seeing new waves caused by local mutations every 3-4 months. They last a couple of weeks and return to endemicity.

>> No.12644354

>>12644346
>hurr durr the doctor wants to protect YOU
Only happens in the hematology/Oncology ward. They wear masks because they dont want to catch fucking ATB-resistant shit and bring it home. Nobody will ever ambu-bag someone without wearing a mask.

>> No.12644379

>>12644346
If you are literally holding your mouth over an open wound for a hour, that can make a bit of a difference.

>> No.12644383

If you want me to do something for you, you a)ask politely b)offer me money. If it's not the case, then enjoy my cough.

>> No.12644396

>>12644383
enjoy your lead pipe

>> No.12644402
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>>12644337
What nice, tacit (but likely unintentional) Rorschach reference.

>> No.12644456

>>12644337
contrary to reddit belief, they do actually protect you. kind of

>> No.12644611

Hospitals are full and running out of supplies from COVID-19. If hospitals were full and running out of supplies from car wrecks it would be national news and everybody would be talking about stopping car driving until something could be done. If hospitals were full and running out of supplies from gang shootings the president would form a paramilitary task force to execute gang members without trial.
The lockdown makes sense.

>> No.12644621

>>12644611
Fuck those people

>> No.12644675

>>12644611
Lockdown is dogshit. Their purpose were a fool's errand. The only way for a lockdown to work is to have the absolute erradication of the virus from the getgo. I don't even know what the fuck were they thinking with starting lockdowns after most people were fucked already.

Now what are we going to do with the trimestral epidemics? The more people infected, the more chances to mutate and thus more frequent epidemics will happen. What the fuck were the jews thinking?

>> No.12644804

>>12644383
COVID aside, a society where people cannot do something this simple for the sake of others is doomed. Selfishness is your perogative, but I hope you realize that your life would be much worse if everyone else thought like you.

>> No.12644806

>>12644804
Fuck you

>> No.12644811

>>12644806
Yep, thought so

>> No.12644815

>>12644811
>I insist you take this worthless action to make me feel better, or else you are a terrible human being. I will even petition the government to make it law to punish you if you do not submit to my desires.
Fuck you

>> No.12644825

Daily reminder sars cov 2 will become endemic and will never be eradicated. we will probably have to roll out a continuous permanent vaccine infrastructure around the world to deal with it. All because we couldn’t lock down for good in march.

>> No.12644830

>>12644675
Eradication lockdowns work, look at most of Asia. Westerners are just too pussy to have a 4 week eradication lockdown.

>> No.12644841

>>12644815
Make this as political and partisan as you want, but you specifically said
>If you want me to do something for you, you a)ask politely b)offer me money.
You clearly are selfish. It doesn't affect me, but it's a simple fact that selfish people make for worse societies. Nash equilibria almost never find the global optimum

>> No.12644851

>>12644841
I'm a different. I just think you and your ilk are completely disingenuous and merely use rhetoric about care for one's fellow man as a coercive weapon

>> No.12644857

>>12644621
>>12644806
>>12644815
Why are americans narcissistic psychopaths?

>> No.12644862

>>12644675
>I don't even know what the fuck were they thinking with starting lockdowns after most people were fucked already.
Yeah, I see how you still don't know that after a year of this shitshow.
>The more people infected, the more chances to mutate and thus more frequent epidemics will happen.
Oh look, there's one reason.

>> No.12644864

>>12644851
Seems like you are grouping me with some imaginary enemy of yours. My whole point this entire time has been that "give me money if you want me to do basic shit" is a crappy philosophy.
We can disagree about scientific facts like "Are masks good?" or policy decisions like lockdowns (especially since they have huge drawbacks), but a lack of empathy isn't defensible, and certainly not something to be proud of.

>> No.12644865

>>12644825
>>12644830
>>12644857
All of these.

>> No.12644871

>>12644864
Masks are stupid. Demanding everyone submit to doing what you want and calling them terrible people with no empathy for questioning you is completely disingenuous. I see this exact line of thinking all of the time with covid measures and I'm sick of it. Please stop pretending this is about care for one's fellow man or empathy, as opposed to your own desires for yourself

>> No.12644877

>>12644871
As I have said at least 3 times now, I am not talking about the covid issue. We can disagree on the effectiveness of masks and lockdown measures, and we can have those discussions all day long. My issue is with the selfish philosophy of "If you want me to do something for you, offer me money", which is pretty indefensible

>> No.12645828

>>12644841
>You clearly are selfish.
All people are selfish. Also if someone is calling you selfish, then he probably wants to steal your money, freedom or both.

>> No.12645834

>>12644804
If you can't do something as simple as not trying to put me under house arrest or not trying to put a muzzle on me, then you are absolutely and ultimately selfish. You shouldn't expect anything from me in return then.

>> No.12645838

>>12644857
Why are you so obsessed with Americans? Did they hurt you?

>> No.12645846

>>12644877
>My issue is with the selfish philosophy of "If you want me to do something for you, offer me money", which is pretty indefensible
That's literally how the jobs work. Do you work for free (and find the concept of salary indefensible)?

>> No.12645851

Let the other people stay at home is they need to be protected from me.

>> No.12645855

>>12644830
>Eradication lockdowns work, look at most of Asia.
They just do little or almost no tests.

>> No.12645902

>>12644337
who are you quoting?

>> No.12645904

>>12645902
Are you from 2019?

>> No.12645909

If OP's statement was true, wouldn't it be even more effective for everyone to wear their masks in reverse? If the purpose is to catch moisture from your breath, wouldn't other people's masks be even more effective in filtering out the moisture from your breath because much of it would have dissipated by the time it reached them?

>> No.12645913

>>12644830
You mean the countries without diversity?

>> No.12645927

>>12645909
Wear three masks normally and two masks inversely.

>> No.12645930

>>12645913
SHUT UP

>> No.12645938

>>12644611
This pasta was stale even when it first appeared.

>> No.12645996

>>12644877
My point, which you appear to have missed entirely, is demanding others wear masks is itself a selfish act.

>> No.12646143

>>12645846
Do you not realize the difference between basic social decency and a job?

>> No.12646154

>>12645828
I see why you might want to think that, but no, a majority of people are willing to make small sacrifices for the good of the society. This is literally how society functions. The whole "muh freedom" meme is just something that a brainwashed minority believes.

Here's a question: Would you react the same way to a law against shitting in the streets?

>> No.12646169

>>12645834

> Year 2025
> Trumptards have started shitting in the streets
> America has become pajeet land
> No one can tread on their "freedum"

>> No.12646177

>>12646154
You're a few hundred years late to the party on the whole social contract thing. Mask mandates are a proven failure at this point. People should no longer be forced to wear them. What's more, insisting they should stems from selfishness in its own right

>> No.12646179

>>12646143
Yes, for example not forcing BDSM garments on others and not trying to put them under house arrest is a basic social decency.

>> No.12646185

>>12646154
>Here's a question: Would you react the same way to a law against shitting in the streets?
I fully agree with you. Street-shitters and mask-wearers should be harassed. Both of them give a lot of trouble to normal people.

>> No.12646194

>>12646143
Let's cite you again:
>My issue is with the selfish philosophy of "If you want me to do something for you, offer me money", which is pretty indefensible
Yes, those who get salaries fit this definition. Same is true for the commerce.

>> No.12646204

>>12646154
>a majority of people are willing to make small sacrifices for the good of the society.
I actually made some small sacrifices for the good of the society. For example I now boycott any store which demands masks. Since most people think like me, I have loads of stores to shop in (and those who try to pester the clients, suffer). That's a good example of working civil disobedience.

>> No.12646207

>>12646169
>Year 2025
>America has become pajeet land
Do you think that current president will lead Murrica to such a fate?

>> No.12646305 [DELETED] 

>>12645913
>You mean the countries without diversity?
Most covidiots are white. What do we suggest we do exactly here?

>> No.12646318

>>12646179
>>12646185
>>12646204

So you all are actually fine with the whole social responsibility thing, and just disagree on the effectiveness of masks/lockdowns? Good, then we have something to talk about. I'd prefer discussing the scientific facts. After all, we are on /sci/

The whole "pay me if you want me to fulfill basic social responsibility" meme is a cowardly and indefensible copout performed by people who can't actually defend their scientific beliefs.

>> No.12646328

>>12646318
Good, so you think that if the worker wants salary, his position is fully indefensible. You can probably call it communism, but it looks more like slavery.

>> No.12646329

>>12644337
they protect you from others less than they protect others from you. With the model that everyone is wearing a mask, each persons maks is more for the protection of others than their own protection, which is provided by the masks worn by others.

>> No.12646339

>>12645855
cope
it works and you liberals are killing people with your retarded freedumbs

>> No.12646347

>>12646339
>we will do ten or hundred times fewer tests than silly west
>look, we defeated covid!

>> No.12646364

>>12646347
>diseases just like, happen
>there is no benefit from keeping infected people away from everyone else

>> No.12646371

>>12646364
>diseases just like, happen
Yes, seasonal colds happen.
>there is no benefit from keeping infected people away from everyone else
Judging by all the lockdowns there isn't.

>> No.12646444

>>12646318
>masks/lockdowns are efficient against covid
Incorrect.
>even if masks/lockdowns are efficient against covid, you can force them on others
Incorrect too
>if you will force them, you should expect complete compliance
Incorrect again.

>> No.12646470

>>12646444
> You can ignore scientific consensus
Incorrect
> If you act like a whiny manchild, you can except the society to respect you and not make laws
Incorrect again

You are no better than the idiots who refused to wear seatbelts when they were first introduced

>> No.12646476
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Friendly reminder that lockdown strictness has no correlation with reduction of COVID cases.

>> No.12646497

>>12646476
Does this plot take population density and testing rates into account? Because obviously Russia will have way fewer cases/million

>> No.12646501

>>12646470
> You can ignore scientific consensus
Yes, it it's not scientific consensus, but a political decision which is destroyed by the evidence.
> If you act like a whiny manchild, you can except the society to respect you and not make laws
Society does its best to fight the oppression together with me. Slavery laws are to be fought against.
>You are no better than the idiots who refused to wear seatbelts when they were first introduced
You can't defend one shit with another.

>> No.12646510

>>12646497
> population density
Now I know how we can immediately defeat covid: we just should annex the Moon to each country in turn! It will immensely drop the population density, so covid will disappear in a couple of days. Repeat for all the countries and there isn't any covid in the end.
>testing rates
Russia has testing rates comparable to western countries. Meanwhile Asians have minuscule or almost nonexistent testing.

>> No.12646526

>>12646510
> Now I know how we can immediately defeat covid: we just should annex the Moon to each country in turn! ...
Holy fuck you dishonest dipshits are completely unable to engage in good faith. Go back to /pol/

>> No.12646532

>>12646526
If you use the "population density" as a meaningful parameter, then you are mask-on-face retarded. Moon example isn't even exaggerated compared to what you are claiming.

>> No.12646559

>>12646532
> then you are mask-on-face retarded
If your reply to a simple question is bad faith hyperbole, namecalling, and dodging the actual question, /pol/ is your home

>> No.12646590

>>12646559
>simple question
It's a very clear (and wrong) claim.
>namecalling
>dipshits
>unable to engage in good faith
>go back to /pol/
Comedy gold.

>> No.12646765

>>12646476
Lol Spain.

>> No.12646835

>>12644337
I have no place in your world.

>> No.12646852

>>12644337
>masks don't protect you they protect others from you
true but i've known people who had covid and they barely felt anything.

>> No.12646874

>>12644864
Empathy does not mean what you think it means.

>> No.12646906

>>12646874
Its okish. Run it out.

>> No.12646908

>>12646532
Are you like legitimately mentally damaged? Population density has a huge impact on pathogen spread.

A rural farm community that has 100 people in as many square miles means there are much fewer chances for spread and if it does appear it won't cascade through the population unabated or through unknown vectors.

Take that same hundred people and put them in an apartment building and the interaction number skyrockets with any single person getting the disease being a potential cascade even through the entire population.

Talking about annexing the moon was completely misunderstanding why population density is used as a metric at best and disingenuous at worst. You'd need to be able to evenly distribute the population across the extra territory to reduce density, otherwise the local density will remain the same as we are not an equilibrium system.

>> No.12646912

>>12644347
>Fuck valve niggers.
I haven't read this phrase since I've stopped regularly browsing /vg/

>> No.12646927

>>12646371
>Yes, seasonal colds happen.
They are viruses you catch from people. The cold could be wiped out as well if people cared to do it.

>Judging by all the lockdowns there isn't.
compared to what? We did not do a complete hard lockdown, and so of course the virus did not get completely hard stopped. Who are you to say the lockdown, which logically made things not as bad based on everything we know about fighting infection diseases going back to before we even knew what a virus or a bacteria was but just that infections spread and quarantines stopped it, had no effect?

>> No.12646938

>>12646908
> Population density has a huge impact on pathogen spread.
Great, but since you use the total country population density, the Moon solution will do wonders. Actually, judging by the rest of your comment, you understand that well. Ok, let's make it very clear:
Sweden has Lapland wastes, they don't impact its covid stats in any way.
Russia has Siberian tundra, it does not impact covid in any way.
Denmark has Greenland, it does noes not impact covid in any way.

People live in capitals and large cities. They don't live in empty northern space, or in the space between cities. That's why total population density shows exactly nothing.

>> No.12646949

>>12646927
>The cold could be wiped out as well if people cared to do it.
Since almost all world countries failed to do that, either their methods don't work at all, or people hate and sabotage them (so they don't work again).
>We did not do a complete hard lockdown, and so of course the virus did not get completely hard stopped.
So you took the cure which is very harmful by itself, but also doesn't even help against the problem? A wise decision.

>> No.12646957

>>12646949
>doesn't even help
you keep repeating this despite my entire post showing that it has to help because the physical mechanics of how infection spread. Fewer people are dead right now today than if we did nothing at all, and we can say this not as opinion, but as fact as solid as any other fact is capable of being. For it to be wrong our entire concept of how viruses spread would need to be wrong.

>> No.12646970

>>12646957
>Fewer people are dead right now today than if we did nothing at all, and we can say this not as opinion, but as fact as solid as any other fact is capable of being.
No, that's simply wrong (and even if it wasn't, lockdowns hurt people freedom and well-being worse than any covid). But if you want to live under lockdown forever, enjoy.

>> No.12646985

Gibraltar is a tiny piece of land with population comparable to a small town. Currently it is first in the world by death rate. If you can't contain covid with lockdowns in such a small place, then why do you think that you can contain it in larger places?

>> No.12646986

>the summer will come
>as a seasonal cold, covid will go away
>look, vaccines defeated covid!

>> No.12646987

>>12646970
>No, that's simply wrong
what are you basing this on?

> (and even if it wasn't, lockdowns hurt people freedom
ahh, i see. you are a dumb liberal

>> No.12646992

>>12646987
>what are you basing this on?
On the current state of the world.
>ahh, i see. you are a dumb liberal
That's why if you infect the covidist in the street, it is perfectly good. Covidists should have no rights to go out at all.

>> No.12646996

>>12646957
>Fewer people are dead right now today than if we did nothing at all
Judging by the >>12646476 lockdowns and masks have no correlation with defeating covid (actually it is inverse).

>> No.12647020

>>12646927
How to wipe out the cold?

>> No.12647117

If covid breath is really bad and masks keeps some of it inside, then wearing it increases your viral load many times and transforms the mild cold into the deadly pneumonia.

>> No.12647236

>>12646143
>basic social decency
thread unrelated

>> No.12647296
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>>12646938
I wasn't even that dude you were talking to I just saw dumb and responded.

Swedens highest density city is 354 people per square km. New York is literally 3 orders of magnitude denser. That's why comparing sweden to the us in terms of rates is retarded and it is better to compare to things on a similar order of magnitude like denmark. Because these things have clear and measurable effects on virus propagation which is why it makes it hard to compare between countries. That's not even getting into transit difficulties making it harder for a virus to spread in more disperse populations.

You are in full on denial mode to try and dismiss something as basic to epidemiology as population density.

>> No.12647320

>>12647296
Person who started the rant made a very specific claim
>Because obviously Russia will have way fewer cases/million
>obviously
>fewer cases/million
I don't see him making any comparisons with specifically Moscow (which is a pretty packed city, like any large capital). So no, he can enjoy the moon analogy.

>> No.12647329

>>12647296
>New York is literally 3 orders of magnitude denser.
New York is literally 1000 times denser than Stockholm? That's a very incredible claim.

>> No.12647445

>>12647117
Really? How much of the viable viral load is actually expelled by exhalation?

>> No.12647642

>>12644804
COVID ASIDE, a society in which people do something without good reason to do so but only because authorities tell them to do so is doomed. You should prioritize your interests anyway, not all people are of equal importance to any person.

>> No.12647863

>>12647642
This. Even if authorities do something seemingly good, you should think if it's really good for you. If it's obviously bad, then ignoring it is good.

>> No.12648009

>>12644396
This was typed by a passive aggressive limp wristed faggot

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>>12648009
>passive aggression

>> No.12648057

>>12646347
You're trolling, but what do you think is the point of testing? Do you think it's some autist's hobby or some daily trivia for journos?

The goal of testing is to find out where is the virus to fucking erradicate it. You can't fit that into your hydrocephalic skull because westoids never planned to erradicate it in the first place.

>>12646970
Freedom doesn't mean shit.

>> No.12648089 [DELETED] 

I am sure wearing it on the temple is the best way to be protected against a chinese lie. Where is the bruning world and where is the war when I wish for it?

>> No.12648096 [DELETED] 

Fuck these liars. Corona is an artificial virus made by the NWO. I think 4chan is the only thing that can save our souls. Fuck normies.

>> No.12648107 [DELETED] 

>>12648096
>Corona is an artificial virus
>therefore coronavirus isn't real

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12648117

Welcome to 4chan.org! It seems you made a mistake with your post. This is /sci/ - Science and Math, so you should always try to include references to data and research to back up your claims, or try to show why you disagree.
Based on the posts in this thread, I can recommend a few different boards to you.
>>>/x/ - To discuss conspiracies with no basis
>>>/pol/ - To discuss conspiracies with no basis with people who will agree with anything you have to say
>>>/b/ - To post the funny Pepe memes, funny racism, and to be an overall edgy faggot
>>>/lgbt/ - Not related, but I think you might enjoy it.
Again, welcome to 4chan, enjoy your stay! Try not to be such a retard next time!

>> No.12648133 [DELETED] 

Oh, I am sorry for pissing into your drinks. Well no my piss is not bloody. It is blood... but not from me... ok I think the danger prophecised by the state at first was very unrealistic. I THINK MASKS PROTECT US. But in my opinion it should have been priority to get people resistent, at least the young ones. As it is a pathogen of SARS, people should have become resistant, at least for months. The body remembers how to attack it and therefore it at least helps the immune system as long as it has a link between a mutation and its original form. Therefore - my piss is not bloody, I borrowed the blood from somewhere. Please enjoy your cockail you faggots.

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>>12648133
take your meds

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are you pregnart