If you had invested $1000 dollars in Amazon 20 years ago, it would now be worth $540,000. Scientifically speaking, what is the best way to find the Amazons of 2040?

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Anonymous Wed Jan 27 13:59:36 2021 No.12634930 [Reply] [Original]

If you had invested $1000 dollars in Amazon 20 years ago, it would now be worth $540,000.
Scientifically speaking, what is the best way to find the Amazons of 2040?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 27 14:03:19 2021 No.12634939 >>12634930 Be a gay bear, and buy all the stocks you want to short

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 27 14:05:15 2021 No.12634948 >>12634930 simply make the new amazon of 2040, it's the only surefire way

Anonymous Wed Jan 27 14:16:22 2021 No.12634968

It's not possible as you can't predict the future. Venture capital firms invest in a large number of companies. Invest a million dollars in 20 companies, in 19 of them you lose all your money but one of them returns a hundred million dollars. It's all asymmetric, if you're consistently making money you're doing it wrong.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 27 14:19:31 2021 No.12634972 Find the company most likely to replace Lithium Ion battery tech. Drop all your money on that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 27 14:26:57 2021 No.12634986 wow and if you invested in bitcoin 100 fucking dollars 10 years ago you would have 3 million now

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 27 14:27:45 2021 No.12634989 >>12634968 This. Unless you have an edge in scientific or political knowledge (which almost no one does), VC model is the best way to find unicorns.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 27 14:29:17 2021 No.12634990 >>12634968 >if you're consistently making money you're doing it wrong. kek

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 27 14:31:33 2021 No.12634997 >>12634986 Except Amazon is a valuable company while bitcoin is this decade's tulip. Once the retards realize that memecoin is fundamentally worthless the value will drop to zero. This may happen tomorrow or in 50 years, but it WILL happen.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 27 14:36:27 2021 No.12635006 >>12634997 i agree that it's useless but it still could've made you a shit ton of money this is somewhat similar to how people pay millions for a fucking shit tier painting

Anonymous Wed Jan 27 14:39:55 2021 No.12635017

>>12634997
That's a dumb take, all it takes is for someone to come along and provide a service better than Amazon and suddenly Amazon becomes worthless. Amazon did it to brick and mortar retail, someone will come along and do it to Amazon, let me know how "valuable" your company is then. As long as you can actually offload what you own for the stated value it makes no difference, whether it's Amazon shares or bitcoin.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 27 14:40:06 2021 No.12635019 Helion Energy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 27 14:49:46 2021 No.12635035 >>12635006 True, but buying assets like bitcoin is no different to gambling. Sure it could make you millions, but it's much more likely to wipe out your savings.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 27 15:00:01 2021 No.12635054 >>12634930 better than that. Gamestop is happening, from 80 monday, to 300 today, its gonna be 500 before friday, theres no risk in this investment and you can find out why if you google a bit. Had to get in monday to really make it tough

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 27 15:03:35 2021 No.12635062 >>12635054 >theres no risk in this investment kek Tell that to the morons holding when the stock crashes to $2.

Anonymous Wed Jan 27 15:12:21 2021 No.12635079

>>12635062
have you read about it, theres a contract that says hedgefunds have to buy an amount of stocks that's basically most of them by friday, no matter how high it is they are obligated or they go broke, which will surely happen, but they have a LOT of money to lose before that.

I bought yesterday and sold today, easiest 200% i ever made(over 10k, mind you), even sellling in the day would have gotten me 30%+

selling before friday is really low risk, after that it becomes truly uncharted territory it may crash or boom gigantically

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 27 15:19:59 2021 No.12635101 >>12635079 Didn't the main shorters cover today?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 27 16:10:50 2021 No.12635216 >>12634930 Get lucky with new penny stocks

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 27 16:24:21 2021 No.12635245 >>12634972 What's the best upcoming pumped-hydro company?

Anonymous Wed Jan 27 16:40:13 2021 No.12635283

>>12635245
don't know which one is upcoming, but you can surely make a shitty mistake with one of them.

A lot of xx century dams are failing and anyone who has even a tiny amount of responsibility in those companies will lose whatever they can.

Most of them will stop being profitable at all because of mantainance cost over falling production rates. Eventually the cost

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 27 16:43:52 2021 No.12635299 >>12635283 *some will fail and take whole towns/cities with them. In both cases the insurances will be maxed out, 100% of all money there will be lost

Anonymous Wed Jan 27 16:52:37 2021 No.12635327

>>12634930

I just invested most of my savings in an index fund largely based on SP500 (2/3 of the stocks are from SP500 the rest are various European and Japanese stocks). I have no idea of how much profits it will return but I figure as long as I don't loose any money it's worth it (greedy bankers have implemented negative interest rates in my country so I'll loose money if I keep it in the bank).

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 27 16:54:24 2021 No.12635336 >>12635327 >greedy bankers have implemented negative interest rates in my country which coutnry may i know?

Anonymous Wed Jan 27 16:57:17 2021 No.12635344

>>12634930
Had you "invested" in Gamestop end of last year, you would have made a lot more on a "per month"-basis.
Stocks are retarded. A sure-fire way for people that already have a lot of money to make even more, and a sure-fire way for people with little money to lose that as well.

Anonymous Wed Jan 27 16:57:47 2021 No.12635347

>>12634968
Yeah this. I followed the same strategy and got out with roughly ten times the money I had before.

>>12635017
>all it takes is for someone to come along and provide a service better than Amazon and suddenly Amazon becomes worthless
Not at all. Amazon has its hands in quite literally everything. It would be extremely difficult to destroy them, impossible in a short term.
You never destroy a company by simply being better than them. It only works if you build a business that does something completely new and becomes a monopoly.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 27 16:59:28 2021 No.12635352 >>12635336 Denmark. But the negative interest rate isn't unique to only our country but the entire EU, since our national bank adjusts interest rates based on the EU bank. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ecb-policy-rates-explainer-idUSKCN1VY1D2

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 27 16:59:37 2021 No.12635353 >>12635054 kek, yeah. Best meme of 2021 so far. Fuck shorters. Fuck wall street. HODL!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 27 17:13:24 2021 No.12635394 >>12635327 >greedy bankers have implemented negative interest rates in my country lol what you just did is exactly what they want you to do. They implement negative interest rates so people can't just sit on their money and fuck up the economy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 27 17:44:18 2021 No.12635477 >>12635101 lies

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 27 17:52:41 2021 No.12635506 >>12635101 no you disinfo cia reptiloid bastard, its frida, very clearly friday. god damn these hedgecucks stand to lose so much money that they may very reasonably hire one million posters at 100 dollars each to post lies on the internet

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 27 17:57:43 2021 No.12635520 >>12634990 he's not wrong, you know.

Anonymous Wed Jan 27 18:01:44 2021 No.12635535

>>12634997
Amazon stock and Bitcoin are not the slightest bit different. Their entire value is determined by what others are willing to pay. It doesn't matter what the share or coin represent or what you can do with it. The only thing that matters is what other people will trade you for it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 27 18:54:38 2021 No.12635723 >>12635535 Bitcoin could collapse at any moment. All it'll take is a spark, like governments moving to ban it or Elon Musk tweeting some stupid shit. Amazon however, is a tech behemoth with billions in assets.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 27 19:17:22 2021 No.12635760 >>12634997 >what are drugs

Anonymous Wed Jan 27 19:33:00 2021 No.12635789

>>12635079
How many shares are shorted versus the number of shares issued? If the number of shorts is less than the number of issued shares, you have no protection from the freefall that happens once all of the shorters have covered their position. Those who sell to the shorters will make a fortune. Those who hold out will lose their shirts as demand for the stock plunges.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 27 22:01:06 2021 No.12636130 >>12635789 You under-estimate how retarded we are.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 28 04:23:21 2021 No.12636896 >>12634930 Just buy Chainlink

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 28 04:26:08 2021 No.12636903 File: 105 KB, 886x898, 1611772092159.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12635723 >this is what normies actually believe

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 28 05:00:34 2021 No.12636950 >>12636903 >bitcoin >only 4% of all bitcoin is traded >be bitcoin millionaire >decide to fuck with people >sell 100,000 bitcoin at once >flood the market, value is deep-diving

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 28 05:36:08 2021 No.12637008 >>12634930 >Scientifically speaking, what is the best way to find the Amazons of 2040? Invent time machine. /thread

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 28 05:41:50 2021 No.12637020 >>12634930 find a company that'll do something extremely useful in a new big market and won't fail. simple, but not easy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 28 05:43:22 2021 No.12637023 >>12634930 find a company that'll do something extremely useful in a new big market and won't fail. simple, but not easy. bezos saw that the internet is growing at an insane rate in the 90s (new big market) and decided to be part of that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 28 08:59:26 2021 No.12637484 >>12636903 It's the truth.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 28 09:05:05 2021 No.12637497 >>12635789 >If the number of shorts is less than the number of issued shares its not

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 28 09:20:32 2021 No.12637513 >>12635506 Melvin covered today.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 28 09:39:55 2021 No.12637553 >>12634930 Economics are not a science Cope retard

Anonymous Thu Jan 28 09:43:46 2021 No.12637567
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Don't bother. Active fund managers have mean negative alpha. In the long run you can't beat the market. Just buy a range of index funds and ETFs, then do some options trading as it caps your losses. Almost all amateur retail-traders lose money. Commission-free platforms like Robinhood make money by harvesting and selling trader behaviour information to third parties.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 28 09:55:04 2021 No.12637594 Don't fall for the GameStop shills, it's a dead company looking for someone to unload their bags, meaning they buy their own shares hoping someone will hop in and buy the top, a classic market manipulation strategy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 28 10:04:40 2021 No.12637616 >>12637594 this is a bot, ignore it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 28 10:12:40 2021 No.12637630 >>12637616 How is that money laundering operation going, shill? Regular people had NOTHING to do with the pump, it's a drug cartel desperately moving money.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 28 10:21:48 2021 No.12637648 >>12637023 >bezos saw that the internet is growing at an insane rate in the 90s (new big market) and decided to be part of that. Yeah, and as we all know there was no dotcom-bubble that burst in the early 2000s.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 28 10:34:03 2021 No.12637677 If you had bought lottery ticket 1059589939100 yesterday you would have millions of dollars today Scientifically speaking, what is the best way to find the 1059589939100 of tomorrow?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 28 10:35:26 2021 No.12637682 >>12637677 >Scientifically speaking, what is the best way to find the 1059589939100 of tomorrow? Buying all of them, but that way you won't make a profit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 28 11:05:11 2021 No.12637774 >>12637677 Lotteries are just luck but the stock market has a logic to it (most of the time).

Anonymous Thu Jan 28 11:09:47 2021 No.12637784
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>>12634986
it's way worst than that, this is btc original price, about 0.0006 that's 160 000btc for 100bucks or
that was the actual mining cost of btc until spring 2010
those 160 000 btc are currently worth 5.1 billions

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 28 11:31:40 2021 No.12637853 >>12637774 Lotteries are "logic" as well. The guy with the correct digits wins.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 28 11:42:36 2021 No.12637891 bruh

Anonymous Thu Jan 28 11:49:11 2021 No.12637910

>>12634997
>>12635723
>thinks buying Amazon stock has anything to do with Amazon
The stock market is essentially a ponzi scheme. The only money coming in is new investors/losing investors. If the shares don't have dividends or voting rights they have nothing to do with the company after the IPO. BTC has way more utility than any stock, thus more inherent value.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 28 12:05:28 2021 No.12637969 >>12637784 Man whichever jew started this whole bitcoin scam is so fucking filthy rich right now.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 28 12:06:32 2021 No.12637973 I wish I could just make $10 million and live on the interest and do whatever I wanted for the rest of my life.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 28 12:11:14 2021 No.12637987 >>12637973 Never works like that. The habits and mindset to get you to $10 million aren't going to just stop at some arbitrary goal.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 28 12:24:28 2021 No.12638032 >>12637987 well, unless you luck into a lottery type situation which typically ends poorly

Anonymous Thu Jan 28 12:33:59 2021 No.12638070

>>12634930
Investment banks consistently create a stream of garbage husk of companies with no assets and no profits that are sold to corrupt pension funds. Consider food dash, a dime-a-dozen food delivery app its worth 70 billion dollars.
Every worker is FORCED to invest in a pension fund, the investment banks are legally looting your pensions by taking your money and selling you stocks in fake companies.
Next week ill transfer my pension to a broker that lets me pick my investments. I don't ask for much, only value, i want companies with net equity, profits and a low P/B ratio. I refuse to pay 19 dollars for the privilege of buying $1 of Tesla equity.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 28 14:01:11 2021 No.12638498 >>12636950 you forgot >/biz/ turns pink

>>	Gary !3bEffhmerM Thu Jan 28 23:49:51 2021 No.12640706 >>12634930 Cerebras. Their chip will drive the singularity. Quantum computing is the new string theory, but Cerebras is the razor's edge.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 29 00:09:18 2021 No.12640742 >>12634930 If I had known what was gonna happen today 20 years ago, I would have been successful at life too. IF ONLY.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 29 07:51:51 2021 No.12641464 >>12634997 >he doesnt ride the bitcoin wave of insane volatility to get a lucky x10 moon jump and be set for a couple of years not gonna make it desu

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 29 11:39:00 2021 No.12642049 File: 10 KB, 280x200, 1590556809420.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12637969 I agree fellow goy, crypto is a scam and also Jewish. Let us go back to federal reserve notes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 29 13:06:39 2021 No.12642336 >>12634930 it is probably going down from now in decline/collapse mode Buy physical assets that would help you survive. silver and other metals, even copper. and tools. and collect water if you can, sugar and cooking oil.

Anonymous Fri Jan 29 13:20:37 2021 No.12642403

>>12634930
There is simply too many factors to reliability predict stocks. Amazon could have easily failed with one wrong move. Thorough investigation and reasoning whether a company is overvalued is helpful, but increasingly every company is being overvalued. There's a lot of money in the market and everything has been inflated for awhile. Most analysts speculated there'd be a major correction even before Corona. The current market is bizarre.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 29 13:46:25 2021 No.12642486 >>12642336 based doomerschizo

Anonymous Fri Jan 29 20:18:57 2021 No.12643970
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>>12634930
what is true is entirely predictable (but not everything predictable is true). the following is the truth.

mental models.

the curious drive of the founder. the boundless energy of the founder. the endless suffering of the founder. the optimistic contrarianism of the founder. founder working with those with high intelligence, high energy, and above all high integrity.

network effects = infinite capital leverage, labor leverage, intellectual leverage, and curiosity leverage via internet via network effects (again).

what doesn't count: macroeconomics, politics, top-down leadership, authority, consensus via academics and via society.

so-called "fundamentals" is the relic of the banking era, and banks and fundamental-seekers look for what's safe. but the problem is that everything new is strange, and what is inherently unsafe, and everyone working on this strangeness is by definition unqualified (because it is new).

also the "new" amazon of 2040 is TSLA.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 29 20:21:24 2021 No.12643978 >>12634930 >just wait 20 years bro there are projects being made weekly with 10000% gains in a year

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 29 20:37:03 2021 No.12644012 >>12643970 >also the "new" amazon of 2040 is TSLA. AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 29 20:51:10 2021 No.12644049 >>12634997 This sounds like copium

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 29 21:00:15 2021 No.12644062 >>12634930 what is the point of the "scientifically speaking"? faggot also >>>/biz/

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 29 21:01:58 2021 No.12644064 >>12637008 based

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 29 21:02:39 2021 No.12644065 >>12644049 He's right though. Bitcoin is just a series of digits on a lot of computers. It's only worth so much right now because people think it's going to be worth more in the future, exactly like the tulip scenario.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 29 23:39:51 2021 No.12644420 >>12635394 Nobody with any significant savings "sits on their money" anyway, if you do your retarded and wing be rich for very long

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 30 02:36:56 2021 No.12644728 bump

Anonymous Sat Jan 30 10:26:51 2021 No.12645427
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>>12637910
>If the shares don't have dividends or voting rights they have nothing to do with the company after the IPO. BTC has way more utility than any stock, thus more inherent value.
'hol up! I had never thought about stock like this. Does this anon have a point? What is the inherent value of stock if you can't do anything with it but sell to someone else? Is the stock market really a ponzi scheme?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 30 12:30:53 2021 No.12645842 >>12637677 compile all the winning numbers and figure out their random number generation obviously, like Joan R. Ginther

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 30 12:31:30 2021 No.12645844 Invest into S&P 500

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 30 13:31:21 2021 No.12646002 That's like asking what tomorrow's lottery numbers are.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 30 13:32:33 2021 No.12646010 >>12634997 >Except Amazon is a valuable company Amazon barely makes any profit, retail has terrible margins and is easy to disrupt, AWS is a commodity, they're losing marketshare to Azure, Prime loses money.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 30 13:48:44 2021 No.12646069 >>12646010 Because Amazon reinvests that money and purely focuses on growth.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 30 13:50:01 2021 No.12646075 >>12645427 I guess it's also the promise of dividends in the future. But it's actually ridiculous to suggest that BTC or most other cryptos aren't ponzi schemes either and are backed by utility. The vast majority of them aren't and are overvalued.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 30 14:00:56 2021 No.12646098 >>12634930 Scientifically speaking, luck

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 30 14:02:30 2021 No.12646105 >>12646075 Stocks are ponzi schemes. Only boomers believe in dividend valuation. Reality is everyone is speculating.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 30 14:04:18 2021 No.12646108 >>12635535 no, they are not comparable if we consider bitcoin like a stock, it is massively overpriced garbage amazon stock actually has substance backing it up

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 30 14:05:20 2021 No.12646116 >>12636903 people who still invest in crypto are the most annoying group of normies on the planet

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 30 14:06:10 2021 No.12646117 >>12646108 Nothing has substance, everything is temporarily especially in finance

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 30 14:07:23 2021 No.12646121 >>12637513 evidence of this? shorts dont magically expire dipshit, the short squeeze could go on for weeks

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 30 14:12:20 2021 No.12646129 >>12637553 they are the same as physicists but do easier math

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 30 14:13:23 2021 No.12646132 >>12642049 no, let's go back to gold: an actual tangible and finite asset

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 30 14:26:16 2021 No.12646178 >>12646117 you are obviously an idiot a company doing well is substance, thats why people invest, buy stock etc.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 30 15:23:15 2021 No.12646395 >>12646108 >amazon stock actually has substance backing it up But what value is that substance to the stock owner if he doesn't share in the profits of company?

Anonymous Sat Jan 30 15:25:31 2021 No.12646408

>>12646108
>When a corporation liquidates its assets, the company's creditors are the first in line to receive funds from the liquidation. Bondholders and owners of other corporate debt securities are the next recipients to be paid. Only after these debts are paid can shareholders lay claim to liquidated assets. Preferred stock holders receive their payments before holders of common stock. Common stock owners have no special liquidation rights and will receive their payments only if any funds remain.
>Common stock owners have no special liquidation rights and will receive their payments only if any funds remain.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 30 15:32:46 2021 No.12646436 >>12646178 But post-IPO and if you don't have any dividends or voting rights, it's all just speculation with no control and nothing backing it up. Right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 30 15:44:41 2021 No.12646460 If you zoom in 2007-2008 the stock went from $107 to around $6. I think only maybe 20% or less of the original investors were able to hold on.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 30 17:31:24 2021 No.12646808 File: 213 KB, 377x369, 1611801723102.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12634930 its chainlink you fucking retard how many times do we have to explain this?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 30 18:09:23 2021 No.12646964 Money is practically free at the moment. Amazon is a great company, but current stock prices are overall inflated as fuck. Across the board. Get out while you can - except if you are in it to harm Wallstreet.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 30 18:19:35 2021 No.12646991 This thread was moved to >>>/biz/27189813

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