Diversity in Science

[Anonymous No.12629291]

I am studying a STEM course (masters degree). Recently we were forced to take some new course about something "scientific integrity".
I stumbled upon following statement which is extremely vague formulated (pic very related).
My issue however is that I think this statement is false and is very harming for science to say things like that. Do you have any solid proofs for this or something that denies it?
What is your opinion on university forcing us to take this course?

[Anonymous No.12629298]

>>12629291
Nazi's were pretty good at rocketry.

[Anonymous No.12629303]

>>12629291
90% of "science" today is nu-science with basedlatte drinking faggots screaming how they love science.don't bother with such nonsense they just want to get a reaction

[Anonymous No.12629304]

>>12629298
But once Wernher von Bruan came to the US and took over NASA we became the most advanced country in the world in terms of rocketry and space travel. Looking like a +1 for diversity leading to innovation

[Anonymous No.12629310]

>>12629304
But were american scientists truly "socially divererse" then? I assume white men with their ancestors coming from europe doesn't really scream "diversity"

[Anonymous No.12629311]

>>12629304

An ethnic German immigrated to a mostly ethnic German country, though, so it doesn't count.

[Anonymous No.12629323]

>>12629291
>Socially diverse groubs breeds demonstrably more innovation than homogenous groups
Lets take this statement apart (scientifically)
>Socially diverse
Define "Socially diverse". Does it mean origin? Gender? Skin color? Gender intentity (aka mental illness)? Why is "socially" highlighted?
>demonstrably
Qunatify demonstrably. What would that be in absolute numbers? 1%? 50%? 200%?
>innovation
What counts as innovation? Is this scientific invention or something coming from "gender studies"?

From a scientific point of view the entire shit has no substance. How is it even allowed to teach that? Can't you just like sue university?

[Anonymous No.12629338]

>>12629323
>can't you just like sue university?
Good luck suing any of them for educational malpractice, your case will be thrown out immediately

[Anonymous No.12629380]

>>12629310
>>12629311
>They thought I was serious when I said NASA increased its diversity by hiring Nazis to run the program

[Anonymous No.12629385]

>>12629380
To 50% mutts hiring white people is a diversity at this point

[Anonymous No.12629393]

>>12629291
It is true though, America after ww2 made tremendous advance in technology when they took in many european and Asian refugees. NASA was definitely not homogenous.

[Anonymous No.12629403]

>>12629393
Soviets had pretty homogenous scientists and yet they made a huge progress too.

[Anonymous No.12629423]

>>12629291
The people who made that line have probably praised Japan at some point in their lives and wondered why can't we be like them

[Anonymous No.12629431]

>>12629403
>>12629393
>>12629291
Having a homogeneous population allows for efficiency in that everyone is already on the same page in terms of planning and action. If you bring in good engineers from different cultures around the world their approach to the problem you are working on might offer valuable insight into a more optimal solution, so yes I would say diversity can spur innovation. However having a bunch of people born and raised in America who all went to American universities but have a different gender or skin color will not be the same as a team of engineers from multiple academically-focused countries who all have very diverse backgrounds, work experiences, and education

[Anonymous No.12629441]

>>12629291
don't speak up, they want to filter such persons

[Anonymous No.12629442]

>>12629431
>tl;dr someone isn't special just because of their skin color
color me surprised

[Anonymous No.12629472]

>>12629442
Yeah, whites are a joke

[Anonymous No.12629498]

> The genetic diversity between races is less than the one within the population of each race
> No, we must diversify the country with all races because that gives better results

They never make sense to me. Maybe they should be consistent with Lewontin's argument and hire Americans exclusively because most diversity is within a single population.

[Anonymous No.12629517]

>>12629393
"no"

[Anonymous No.12629523]

>>12629393
That wasn't diversity. America took in the very high achievers. Every single one NASA received was highly trained in STEM fields. That's the opposite of diverse.
Skin colour or ethnicity by itself makes no diversity when the people share the same mindset.

[Anonymous No.12629720]

>>12629291
The African race has never produced an individual that matches any white, asian or arab in terms of scientific thought. All the race mentioned above only achieved their success in racially homogenous societies

[Anonymous No.12629794]

>>12629498
But there are no human races dood, all humans are totally the same race, human race!

[Anonymous No.12630101]

>>12629291
i guess international collaboration is useful for scientific progress

[Anonymous No.12630114]

>>12629393
>America after ww2 made tremendous advance in technology when they took in many european and Asian refugees
yes having more europeans generally improves things, what's your point?

[Anonymous No.12630127]

>>12629291
Take the diversity pill Anon. We need more women in STEM. This diversity will give more of these incels female attention, reducing their productivity, and advancing IFLS Scientism while adjudicating the dissolution of the male dominated patriarchal, white supremacists transphobic Popperian (((science)))

[Anonymous No.12630393]

I mean, it really depends. Throw some random people in a room with nothing in common and they probably won’t do too well. Throw a Jew and a European in a room and they’ll likely do very well if they have a similar goal.
There needs to be a clear dominant identity for large projects, if you deny a skilled person because they don’t completely fit in though you’re making a stupid decision. As long as you keep the diversity semi low but allow truly capable people from anywhere to help I think that’s superior to a total homogenous project.

[Anonymous No.12630405]

>>12629291
It's DFG, they are talking about diversity of research groups and disciplines, not races.

[Anonymous No.12630406]

>>12630393
>if you deny a skilled person because they don’t completely fit in though you’re making a stupid decision
The way they phrase it and assuming that it comes from the american way of thinking it lets me assume that by "Diversity is good" they mean "If a white scientist, a negro and a woman apply to the same job, you must hire negro and woman first disregard the skills because diversity"

[Anonymous No.12630420]

>>12630405
I don't think so, I think it's exactly what /pol/ imagines by hearing diversity. My reasoning is because this is what is shown a few pages later

[Anonymous No.12630430]

>>12630420
and this

[Anonymous No.12630451]

>>12629291
You want people who think differently. In that sense, it’s true that diversity breeds far more innovation than homogeneity. But using ethnicity/sexuality/race/gender as a proxy for diverse thinking is stupid. People can look drastically different from each other and still operate via similar mental frameworks. A group comprised of a gay mexican, transgender white man and a straight black women is probably not as diverse as you would think with respect to how they think.

[Anonymous No.12630453]

>>12630406
Right, I just mean dismissing diversity completely isn’t the smartest move either. My engineering diversity class was mostly about “how do we get black people and women into engineering”? Which is just an insane thing to me, I would not want my engineers to be people who were culturally brainwashed into going into engineering and getting through it with extra and exclusive help, only caring about the aesthetic of what they study. I’d want some black guy who was building nice bridges in Africa and landed a scholarship which he did well on to be on my team though even though he is different from me and the majority of the team. Is what I mean. That’s where diversity shines.

[Anonymous No.12630485]

Source for diversity claim:
>https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Megan-Bang/publication/280845360_Particular_Points_of_View/links/57485c2808ae18b6dce91abf/Particular-Points-of-View.pdf

source for gender claim:
>https://genderedinnovations.stanford.edu/ISR_07_Schiebinger.pdf

Here you can check those out to validate. I dont really like especially the diversity "source" so feel free to find some agenda here

[Anonymous No.12630508]

>>12629291
Here in Argentina we are literally obligated to take a "gender equality course", if you don't take it you can't advance in your degree

[Anonymous No.12630553]

I think the basic idea is that people from different upbringings / backgrounds will approach and think about problems in a fundamentally different way, and so having a diverse group means that you will be more likely to hit the most elegant solution since your group will be thinking about it from more different angles. Like a scattershot.
Of course, not all angles are valid, but that's up to the group to figure out which approaches make sense and which don't. And sometimes an invalid approach might shed some light on making a valid one better.

[Anonymous No.12630606]

Imagine a math competition. One group is not diverse, every member is a negro. Another group is diverse, they have jews asians whites indians and negros. It is obvious the more diverse group will do better. Therefore diversity will lead to better performance.

QED

[Anonymous No.12630660]

>>12629298
>>12629304
Nazi's stole the work of Goddard and Tsiolkovsky.

[Anonymous No.12630664]

>>12629442
But we are being made to believe that they are.

[Anonymous No.12630668]

>>12630508
Not really stem related but
>Go to introductory course for sociology in the UNLP
>A lot of it is really about militating and the dissapeared in the city (don't mind it really)
>One of the days we have a gender workshop class
>Kirchnerist teacher straight up tells me it's tedious as fuck and i can skip it if i want to
>Noice.jpg

[Anonymous No.12630675]

>>12629291

The burden of proof is on them, simply state that successful innovative countries attract immigrants thus the causal direction of this correlation is unclear. Mention a few advances on quantum computing from China and remark they are impressive when one compares GDP per capita and ethnic diversity.

Should a discussion about Chinese diversity ensue mention the imposed fertility decline on Uyghur women while quoting that Chinese official's tweet.

You will anger some who hold power over you, they will think you are evil should you choose to dissent. It's important to be as clinical and professional in your choice of words as possible, otherwise you will make a fool of yourself and turn public opinion against your ideas.

[Anonymous No.12630683]

>>12630675
https://in.news.yahoo.com/twitter-takes-down-chinas-baby-195427474.html

[Anonymous No.12630721]

>>12629291
>demonstrably more innovation
>demonstrably
Do you know what that word means? Ask them ot demonstrate what they claim. They just told you they could, so they should be able to... unless they were lying. Ask them to demonstrate it to find out if they were lying.

[Anonymous No.12630733]

>>12629385
Wrong. Diversity simply means not white. It doesn't matter if it is 90% black. More black people means more diverse.

All linguistic tricks with these people.

[Anonymous No.12630744]

>>12629498
>All people are equal
>Diversity is our strength

Double think.

[Anonymous No.12630752]

>>12630733
Out of Africa theory implies more diversity even if it comes from ghost hominid genetics in Africa.

[Anonymous No.12630760]

>>12630744
This is why I just fucking stopped trying to make sense of modern politics. Inconsistent garbage.

[Anonymous No.12630769]

>>12630760
It makes sense if you understand the motives. It is an ideology hostile to humanity itself and trying to prevent us from advancing to the next stage of civilization.

You cannot ignore it, because it is attacking you and everything you hold dear.

[Anonymous No.12630781]

>>12630721
See
>>12630485
that's the sources they cite

[Anonymous No.12630788]

>>12630781
No anon, you ask them for a demonstration, not citations. They said it was demonstrable.

[Anonymous No.12630796]

>>12630788
Good point Herr Führer

[Anonymous No.12630852]

>>12630606
hahahaha

[Anonymous No.12630858]

>>12630606
But a group of negros is diverse by definition since non-diverse can only be whites

[Anonymous No.12630876]

>>12629291
Socially diverse does not automatically mean racially diverse.

> What is your opinion
I think that either this is a poor attempt at racebait, or you need to do your own homework. Depending on some anonymous basket weaving forum board to prove your point for you is not masters-level thinking.

[Anonymous No.12630881]

>>12630876
Read nigger, the racial diversity is also included in their argument

[Anonymous No.12630884]

>>12630485
>not a single statistics, only narratives
I wouldn't be surprised if someone told me its beneficial to have an ethnically diverse marketing team. Or that it was beneficial to have somewhat multi disciplinary research teams.
Those papers are just making stuff up.

[Anonymous No.12630890]

>>12629291
>Do you have any solid proofs for this or something that denies it?
Most people in chink universities are Han Chinese and even without diversity they now produce more research papers and innovation than the US. The West is a joke and Spengler was right: it's going to die.

[Anonymous No.12630895]

>>12629304
>Looking like a +1 for diversity leading to innovation
How is that diversity? A German coming to the US is not diversity. Many white Americans are of German descent, and even those of Anglo descent are closely related to the Germans. And back then universities were mostly made up of white males, so where is your diversity?

[Anonymous No.12630902]

Europe has same culture. Bet they took sample from this continent.

[Anonymous No.12631311]

>>12629403
The Soviet Union had a larger population than the United States, and only half were ethnically Russian.
Sergei Korolev was a quarter Belarussian, raised by his Cossack grandmother in Ukraine, and married a woman named Vincentini. Pyotr Kapitsa's family were Romanian-speaking Moldovans.

[Anonymous No.12631321]

>>12629304
While this may in fact be diversity in viewpoint and ideas and this may be the kind of diversity that has a positive effect, don't expect race obsessed modern cargo cultists to accept a german as diverse.

[Anonymous No.12631343]

What these people get backwards is that individual diversity is much more important than diversity of groups.

As in, you would get a much more diverse collection of opinions from Richard Pryor, Michael Jordan, and black science man than you would from Lebron James, Yao Ming, and Larry Byrd. It doesn't matter that the former group included all black men because the diversity in individual experience and opinion are much greater than three basketball players.

[Anonymous No.12631356]

>>12630895
It is Diversity of thought retard

[Anonymous No.12631785]

>>12630895
>>12631321
See my response here >>12629380
But >>12631356 does make a good point

[Anonymous No.12631802]

>>12629291
I see a pattern when it comes to diverse groups and which kinds innovate and stagnate.

[Anonymous No.12632920]

>>12629303
go back to /pol/

[Anonymous No.12632942]

>>12629291
I really hope that that wasn't a graduate course that taught you this. I saw it in an undergrad codemonkey CS class (in fact its almost word for word the same points and probably cited the same "studies") which was disgusting but understandable considering the fact that most CS guys don't care about STEM and just want a job in tech and they, their future workplaces, and the codemonkey professor all care about politics way more than tech. If I saw this in a graduate course I'd vomit.

[Anonymous No.12632947]

>>12632920
fuck off already faggle

[Anonymous No.12633711]

>>12632942
>graduate course
No idea what it means but it's necessary to finish an exam in this course to be allowed to start masters thesis

[Anonymous No.12633734]

>>12629291
Socially diverse does not mean racially diverse/ It is probably true if you have one atheist, one protestant, one catholic etc etc.

Homogeneity in thought is what has led to the abomination and perversion of science that is /sci/ and redit. If you say anything the idiots they hang around with have never talked about they chimp out and can't process it.

[Anonymous No.12634061]

>>12629291
Having many different cultural ans social perspectives allow you to tackle problems with more information. I don't see how this would be a bad thing unless you are a faggot in need of a safe space away from people, in which case the problem is not in the statement but in ur mind.

[Anonymous No.12634199]

>>12629298
That's a diverse group of northern, western, southern Germans.

>>12629304
He was basically abducted. The rest was abducted by Russia, kickstarting their space program.

[Anonymous No.12634205]

>>12634199
So the more Germans the better?

[Anonymous No.12634211]

>>12631802
KEK

[Anonymous No.12634215]

>>12634205
Back then that was definitely true.

[Anonymous No.12634234]

itt: /pol/tards can't comprehend any diversity other than skin colour

[Anonymous No.12634246]

>>12634234
>>12633734
>>12631343
Read niggas>>12630485
it literally means racial diversity

[Anonymous No.12634250]

>>12629291
From my perspective, having worked with a lot of people from around the world
>Indians work hard but complicated
>Pakistanis pretend to understand and know everything
>Germans are well-organized and precise, but lack creativity
>eastern Europeans were fun and easy to work with
>Americans are pretenders, similar to Pakistanis
>Arabs are either great guys that work almost as hard as Indians (especially Palestinians), or complete monkeys
>Canadians are great to hang out with, generally hard-working creative, but not so well-organized and precise
>Dutch people are basically Germans, but more fun and less German
>South Africans cannot organize themselves out of a paper back, next to impossible to start big projects (I was involved with a project that cost around 2 million euro, complete failure because South Africans cannot think ahead), but are fun and easy-going, good people. I like their accent a lot. I mean both blacks and whites here

tl;dr: diversity IS helpful iff it's coordinated well and the recruitment process is fair, but can also quite literally sink a ship.

[Anonymous No.12634497]

diversity of thought != diversity of ethnicity

A black woman from NYC and a white guy from Kansas whose research interests are close enough to collaborate have more in common that a Finnish man and a Spanish one.

[Anonymous No.12634739]

>>12634497
I'd rather work with the Finn please.

[Anonymous No.12634776]

>>12634497
you can't say this. iirc they cancelled some woman, who i think was black, at some big tech company and got her lynched on twitter and fired from her job because she made a tweet saying that two white guys can have very diverse backgrounds and ideas and two people of completely different color can be the same.

[Anonymous No.12634787]

>>12634776
wtf I love black women now

[Anonymous No.12634812]

>>12634787
desu black women are often redpilled and need to be saved from the insanity that is black men

[Anonymous No.12634819]

>>12634812
Black women are loudmouth bullies who would rather gossip about everybody behind their backs (and probably gossip about you, when you aren't there either) than do work. I hate working with them.

[Anonymous No.12634873]

>>12629291
Diversity requires isolation. “Diversity” nowadays seems to mean putting people from different backgrounds together, but how come people have different backgrounds in the first place? Because they were isolated. If everyone works together all the time in the name of diversity, you end up with one homogeneous soup where everyone thinks the same way.

[Anonymous No.12634886]

>>12634873
That's the objective. The elite want homogeneous labor units. Our individuality is their liability.

[Anonymous No.12634933]

>>12634886
>The elite want homogeneous labor units.
You mean like China, where there’s zero innovation?

[Anonymous No.12634935]

>>12634933
Correct.

[Anonymous No.12635483]

Hey op why don't you kys?

[Anonymous No.12636720]

>>12629291
Read "cynical theories" and you know why...

[Anonymous No.12636820]

>>12629720
Please take down this VERY anti Semitic post

[Anonymous No.12636823]

>>12632920
He's right tho

[Anonymous No.12636847]

>>12629291
When will you faggots realize it's just there so you sperg out about it, so they can fire you? Most people don't care who they work with. Most institutions care if the people working for them aren't problem causing dipshits.

[Anonymous No.12636851]

>>12636847
>Haha it's just to make you sperg out
>Don't question us, just accept being replaced by a pajeet goy

[Anonymous No.12636861]

How come white guys invented and created everything tho?

[Anonymous No.12636874]

>>12636861
Because they stole it from da working black man das rite

[Anonymous No.12636887]

>>12636851
You're insecure

[Anonymous No.12636961]

>>12631802
I see a rapper, a gang member, a drug addict, a welfare recipient, a criminal, a basketball player..

[Anonymous No.12636962]

>>12629291
Just form a study group on the side with lambda calculus filter quiz.

[Anonymous No.12637463]

>>12629298

So what? The German Uranverein seems pathetic in comparison to the Manhattan Project and Tube alloys. Nazi advances in rocketry don't reflect the technical superiority of Germany over the US and UK, but rather the focus of the German government at the time to research and develop weapons not based on Jewish Physics (protip: Manhattan project was filled with Jews).

[Anonymous No.12637468]

>>12631802

Philosophers unironically are more useless to society than gang members.

[Anonymous No.12637499]

>>12629291
Not sure if someone else has said it. But yes, there is evidence, the essential argument is diverse backgrounds gives rise to different problem solving strategies - so a group of diverse backgrounds are better at problem solving as multiple methods Will be presented

I guess you are not the one for psychological studies, there are quite a few if you just search for it, but here is a study doing theoretical research on it with some simulations https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1046496407301972?casa_token=zyDWJriMrCwAAAAA:x1llF_Tus55oQdtobboiXf6o4QDutGhPfFory5wcUwAZnSg1Aa-n_FkCGCvsn8VG_AvnZblT0EI

[Anonymous No.12638594]

>>12629298
They used destructive development like SpaceX. No wonder they came that far.

[Anonymous No.12640391]

>>12630752
They were interbreeding with those homonids, as recently as 20,000 years ago. That makes black Africans the most recent addition to the human race, not the most ancient. In another 20-50,000 they might reach the level of the asians, but probably not before.

[Anonymous No.12641426]

>>12629393
>. NASA was definitely not homogenous.
NASA was basically all white dudes.

[Anonymous No.12641428]

>>12629291
that statement is false

[Anonymous No.12641444]

>>12629291
Calling bullshit on this.
National diversity negatively correlates with GDP and more diverse countries tend to produce less patents.
https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/12/24/racial-diversity-may-reduce-overall-innovation/

[Anonymous No.12641453]

>>12641444
And more diverse firms tend to be less productive
https://sci-hub.se/10.1002/smj.633

[Anonymous No.12641460]

>>12641453
This meta-analysis found that background diversity correlated at -.133 with innovation.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/26762638_Team-Level_Predictors_of_Innovation_at_Work_A_Comprehensive_Meta-Analysis_Spanning_Three_Decades_of_Research

This review of literature found other negative effects diversity has
https://ils.unc.edu/courses/2013_spring/inls285_001/materials/WIlliams.OReilly.1996.Diversity&demography.pdf
>“There is substantial evidence from both laboratory and field studies conducted over the past four decades that variations in group composition can have important effects on group functioning. These studies show that increased diversity, especially in terms of age, tenure, and ethnicity, typically have negative effects on social integration, communication, and conflict.”

[Anonymous No.12641465]

>>12629291
As a meta-response it is fair to say that /sci/ is the exact right place to decide about this, since this board consists of homogeneously anti-scientific and anti-humanity creeps.

[Anonymous No.12641468]

>>12641444
>>12641453
>>12641460
Thanks anon, thats a good thing to read and show as an argument against

[Anonymous No.12641529]

>>12629291
a big push for all this woke idpol diversity stuff is because those in power realized a long time ago is it causes division. now amazon uses it as a means of union busting.
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=61403
back during ows, the 1% were a target and p much most of the 99% (left and right) were pointing the finger rightly at them, so what did they do? they introduced sjws into the movement who forced the "progressive stack" where depending on your group identity's perceived oppression that decides the order of speaking. it doesn't matter if the white male has the best idea, he is privileged despite the fact he may be poor so the black tranny who may be from a rich family gets to speak first. this fragmented the movement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W81A1kTXPa4
now they use it as a distraction, "what billionaire? look at that white male who works a little harder and earns a little more money over there. he is the problem. billionaires are a racist conspiracy theory." what is happening now imo is bezos and the other billionaires who have established businesses are using blm as a means of market consolidation. lemme explain this hypothesis. you notice that blm is supported by all the major brands despite the fact that they torch their warehouses, etc. why is this? well first of all, all of the megacorp offices and warehouses are insured so they incur no loses. but more importantly their a huge segment of their competition is all those small business mom and pop shops. most of those do not have adequate insurance to cover a blm torching and on top of the lockdowns that they faced probably cannot go back to business when this is all over. this allows the megacorps like amazon to consolidate more of the market.

[Anonymous No.12641666]

>>12629291
It's one of those things that you can't really prove or disprove (because the goalpost can always be moved to reach the conclusion you want) but it sounds good in the current social climate so theirs no backlash against baseless statements.

[Anonymous No.12642054]

>>12629304
Diverse as in far-right Germans, not 60 IQ Somalians

[Anonymous No.12642188]

>>12641529
legit

[Anonymous No.12642223]

>>12629291

The problem is not diversity (the actual definition), the problem is the clown world purple haired leftist newspeak definition of "diversity" which is basically "anyone non straight cis white male".

[Anonymous No.12644500]

>>12634250
bump

[Anonymous No.12644791]

>>12631802
What's hilarious is that that viewpoint is now considered racist

[Anonymous No.12645051]

>>12644791
And even if you prove it with studies you will still be a racist because "your studies were based on racial superiority" and therefore void.

[Anonymous No.12645062]

This kind of horseshit makes me reluctant to finish my bachelors

[Anonymous No.12645292]

>>12630430
It's a bit silly isn't it. When the seatbelt was designed the only people that had the money to actually afford cars were dudes. It wasn't some discrimination drive it was a pragmatic one. Why don't any of these equal women design a new seatbelt then? Cause it's not that easy

[Anonymous No.12645307]

>>12645292
Maybe because it's pointless to make seatbelts and entire airbag system exclusively for pregnant women in mind since it will cost so much more for some measly % of drivers? Like how many pregnant women drive in first place?

[Anonymous No.12645356]

>>12644791
You gotta be kidding me...

[Anonymous No.12645361]

>>12645062
Finish it. The system is shit, rise over it. Don't handicap yourself because of others' stupidity

[Anonymous No.12645687]

>>12630744
It's the same with the abortion argument. Men and women are equal but men can't have a say in the abortions n argument. The two of these are directly at odds.