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12620427 No.12620427 [Reply] [Original]

Why study science when all of its assertions have been refuted by philosophy? Matter is not real (metaphysics), the senses are not accurate (Plato), consciousness is divine (Adi Shankara), and reductionism is illogical (everyone but scientists). It all just seems like a cope.

>> No.12620434

>>12620427
Because I want to do things with my mind that can help people

>> No.12620439

>>12620427
>Why study science when all of its assertions have been refuted by philosophy?
I like cheap energy and fun technologies

>> No.12620453
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12620453

>>12620434
>>12620439

>> No.12620480

>>12620453
>posts qoutes on similar sounding topic
You've outed yourself as a pseud. When Schrödinger talks about what we perceive not being real he means that it is not the whole picture. That quantum physics/mathematical physics/string theory is an accurate representation of reality and humans are ill-equiped to understand this intuitively without math.

>> No.12620482

>>12620453
based
gotta take dmt too

>> No.12620499

>>12620480
>NOOOO HE ACTUALLY MEANT THIS INSTEAD GUYS AAAAA
Cope.

>> No.12620505

>>12620499
I was explaining it to you because you are clearly too dumb to understand and too lazy to take the time to look up the quote.

>> No.12620519

>>12620453
I don’t know what this has to do with my post or with the OP. Those individuals on the left and I study both science and philosophy. I said my reason for studying science was >>12620434

>> No.12620532

>>12620505
>NOOOO I WAS EXPLAINING IT TO YOU BY GIVING YOU MY FALSE INTERPRETATION AAAA YOU HAVENT EVEN WATCHED THE FIFTH SEASON OF RICK AND MORTY LIKE I HAVE YOU WOULDNT UNDERSTAND AAAAAA
Cope.

>> No.12620581

>>12620519
>"Materialism, then, is a metaphysics of the rejection of metaphysics. It is an of faith-assumption that nature is a closed system whose every feature is caused by and explainable by matter alone, and that nothing exists beyond the physical order. Naturalism is a picture of the whole of reality that cannot, according to its own intrinsic premises, address the being of the whole; it is a transcendental certainty of the impossibility of transcendental truth, and so requires an act of pure credence logically immune to any verification… Naturalism’s claim that, by confining itself to purely material explanations for all things, it adheres to the only sure path of verifiable knowledge is nothing but a feat of sublimely circular thinking: physics explains everything, which we know because anything physics cannot explain does not exist, which we know because whatever exists must be explicable by physics, which we know because physics explains everything."

>> No.12620594

>>12620427
I used to think the same but once you add math to things they become powerful. You can't do anything with philosophy other than have thinking contests. Once your tired of that and actually want to start moving things in the world, your first answer is science.

>> No.12620603

>>12620594
>Moreover, the Materialist ought to be asked what is the exact nature of that consciousness which he supposes to be exuded from the elements. For he does not admit the existence of any other principle apart from his four (or any number of) elements. He will perhaps try to define consciousness as consisting in the mere fact that the elements and their products are experienced. But then they would have to be its object, and it could not be a property of them at the same time, for it is contradictory to suppose that anything can act on itself. Fire may be hot, but it cannot burn itself, and not even the cleverest acrobat can climb up on his own shoulders. And, in the same way, the elements and their products cannot form objects of consciousness if consciousness is their property. A colour does not perceive its own colour or the colour of anything else. And yet there is no doubt whatever that the elements and their products are perceived by consciousness, both inside and outside the body. Because, therefore, the presence of a consciousness which takes the elements and their products as its objects has to be admitted, it follows that it has likewise to be admitted that consciousness is distinct and separate from them.
- Adi Shankara

>> No.12620644

>>12620603
Yes Im aware, that doesn't give you an argument to not do science. You obviously want to do it which is why your here and your just looking at argument against hedonism. Go read Meditations and get on with doing somethin useful rather with yourself.

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>>12620603
t. beneficiary of materialism

>> No.12620672

>>12620434
>>12620439
>>12620480
>>12620505
>>12620519
>>12620594
>>12620644
Does this prove that /lit/ is objectively smarter than /sci/? I think so, but I must get back to my scholarly edition of Plato (pbuh).

>> No.12620688

>>12620427
Back to /his/, midwit
This is the board for people who do things affecting the real world

>> No.12620717

>>12620427
Science as a spiritual (theological/religious) experience ca matter to an individual.
Once again atheists show they're brainlets.
(Kierkegaard)

>> No.12620727

>>12620717
Kierkegaard was refuted by science. God isn’t real.

>> No.12620730

>>12620672
Reading Plato doesn’t help other people.

>> No.12620731

>>12620727
>God isn’t real.
prove it using science.

>> No.12620737

>>12620731
I farted.
But who smelled the fart?
Exactly.

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>>12620731

>> No.12620761

>>12620730
Irrevocably spooked.

>> No.12620763

>>12620730
>be me code monkey brainlet pajeet
>make program retards will use to waste their lives and represent eternal slavery of the spirit
>glad I help society for the better
>be me smelly engie smooth brain
>build bridge so wagie slavies can get to work on time so they can make money to sustain themselves so they can live til the next day and go to work again until they die feeding the eternal slavery of the human spirit
>glad I helped better society
>be me mathematician schizo
>be a massive schizo
>finally prove 1 =/= 0 after 50 years
>now they know, you're welcome society, all you have to do is accept my terms of service KEK
>be me physchud incel
>be a schizo and think about string theory all day long
>take government money that could go to cancer research to build massive waste of money just to jerk off to the idea
>muh language of the universe
>you're welcome society
>be me med fag
>give operation warp speed trump vax to people because ZOG is pointing a gun to my head
>cut off a kids dick
>cut off an older kids dick
>cut off an adults dick
>promote a dysgenic society
>shall not harm
>be me plato
>btfo'd all the time
>promote mental masturbation in modern incels
>lie about my monolithic mentor to promote myself
get monolith'd faggot.

>> No.12620765

>>12620737
>>12620742
What?
are all atheists this brain dead and incapable of producing an argument?
your ignorance is fervent

>> No.12620768

>>12620761
Read philosophy can help your own life but it doesn’t have a material effect unless you enact it. Science is the best philosophy which is applicable that we have.

>> No.12620769

>>12620765
That's not what fervent means you pseud

>> No.12620775

>>12620768
Scientifically prove that I should help other people.

>> No.12620777

>>12620427
Anon, you wouldn't be able to post on 4chan right now if people hadn't studied science enough to create computers and the internet.

>> No.12620778

>>12620765
>he thinks intelligent people will engage in serious arguments with schizos who believe in imaginary sky-wizards and don't know how to use 'fervent'

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>>12620777
Yes.

>> No.12620786

>>12620775
I never claimed that you can scientifically prove that. OP asked why you study science. I said my motivation is to use my intellect in a way that benefits other human beings.

>> No.12620792

>>12620427
>the senses are not accurate (Plato)
Can you elaborate on this, in detail preferably?

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>>12620777
Dude you're not making a very good case for science.
>>12620781
based Uncle Ted.

>> No.12620796

>>12620786
Then don’t reply to me, faggot.

>> No.12620804

>>12620792
Why don’t you actually read him you lazy STEMbug

>> No.12620806

>>12620427
And yet the pursuit of science has shown itself to be the best way to improve ourselves as a species so far. If you have a problem with it, find something better

>> No.12620807

>>12620796
You were the one replying to my posts.

>> No.12620810

>>12620804
Why don't I, personally?
Because I'm working on useful things, and when im taking a shit I browse 4chan.
If you can elaborate on what you mean, then maybe I will read platon in full. But I dont have a lot of free time like you; a NEET or someone in a low skill job with no aspiration :)

>> No.12620819

>>12620807
Then why are you replying to me, faggot

>> No.12620826

>>12620778
>>12620769
>hurr durr muh fervent ignorance is justified because muh feefees
impressive arguments... NOT

>> No.12620831

>>12620810
You don’t even know how to write proper English.

>> No.12620832

>>12620826
That's a high-IQ joke structure you got there... NOT.

>> No.12620841

>>12620832
[math]Religion \supset Philosophy[/math]

>> No.12620843

>>12620831
>Implying I care to write properly when im taking a shit
>this is the only thing you have to say in response
thanks for confirming youre a worthless faggot :) now i can close this thread, and you can seethe

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12620855

>muh sky daddy
>N-NO SIMULATION THEORY IS BASED YOU CAN'T JUST CALL ME A SCHIZO NOOOOOO

>> No.12620861

>>12620855
Fancying yourself smarter than Elon Musk now are we?

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>when all of its assertions have been refuted by philosophy

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12620873

>>12620861
I'm the inventor of the PeePee heta (zero) set (PPHZ for short).
I'm largely more intelligent than most people as well as your religious leader.
>>/sci/thread/S12553738#p12553738
engiefags should be permanent banned.

>> No.12620878

>>12620873
idc

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12620887

>>12620878
>exhibits cognitive dissonance after fervent ignorance doesn't work in order to protect his fragile ego
WOW A REAL RATIONAL SKEPTIC IN THE WORKS HERE YOU SHOULD FEEL PROUD...
NOT

>> No.12620889

>>12620887
seethe and sneed you coping midwit lmao

>> No.12620893
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12620893

>>12620873

>> No.12620898

>>12620427
Except Adi Shankara was a literal pseud. And only literal retards would take anything that he said seriously.

>>12620453
true scientists vs pseuds. Love it

>>12620480
Cope

>>12620672
Oh, yeah. The people on /lit/ are way smarter than pseuds on here. The only thing is that /lit/ is not representative of general lit lovers. They are the hardcore lit enthusiasts who would rather spend a day reading Dostoevsky and forgot about all other responsibilities. It's a double-edged sword.

>>12620742
God, I hate this faggot.

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>>12620889
It's your own problem if you can't realize how hypocritical you are.
What are the two most common things throughout philosophy and the works of philosphers?
>>12620893
>hurr durr muh literalists

>> No.12620910

>>12620904
u mad get over it

>> No.12620911
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>>12620898
>Except Adi Shankara was a literal pseud. And only literal retards would take anything that he said seriously.
Absolutely filtered.

>> No.12620920

why are yall here there's a philosophy board that you can go shit up instead of coming here

>> No.12620923

>>12620911
>Adi Shankara
Poo in loo

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>>12620910
>btfo'd constantly
>pure cognitive dissonance
yikes

>> No.12620935

>>12620920
>yall
Leave 4chan

>> No.12620937

>>12620932
idc midwit keep wasting your time tho lol

>> No.12620942

>>12620932
>>12620935
>>12620937
Hey let’s all stop fighting here. We’re all anons and frowns right?

>> No.12620948

>>12620942
Sorry meant frens

>> No.12620952

>>12620942
sorry I'll stop being mean now

>> No.12620956
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12620956

>Of all things in the world, metaphysics requires the least amount of effort; as it is neither based on nor subjected to the test of objective reality, people can talk as much nonsense as they like. Upholding materialistic dialectics, in contrast, demands a high level of genuine effort. On the one hand, we should strengthen investigation and research to accurately understand objective reality and truly grasp objective laws. On the other hand, we should continue to observe things dynamically, not statically; holistically, not one-dimensionally; systematically, not fragmentally; and in context, not in isolation, with a view to properly handling various major relationships. All subjectivist, formalist, mechanistic, dogmatist, and empiricist views are metaphysical ways of thinking, and cannot produce positive results in practice.

>> No.12620959

>>12620956
Why the fuck should I care about what this commie thinks?

>> No.12620962

>>12620959
>posted 4 minutes ago
>hes seething already
i accept your surrender

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>>12620956
>materialistic dialectics
>objective laws
>everything that doesn’t conform to my one-dimensional view of reality is nonsense

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>>12620942
>>12620948
Ok then, let's stop arguing and start partying.

>> No.12620990

Why are pseuds of philosophy always butt blasted by science. I get the distrust of theoretical physics whack jobs and the retarded bureaucratic creature trying to control scientific direction, but they have to know not all scientists are drinking the kool-aid. Philosophers had no problem masquerading as Christian scholars for hundreds of years to appease the inevitable tyrants that seek to murder anyone out of their control. There are scientists out there that haven't taken the blue p[ill. These diarrhea-tier denouncements are out of context, unbased, unconvincing, and boring.
Also I have been reading about this reductionism is illogical for over fifteen years on shitboards and forums and I have no fucking clue where this started circulating. The basic feature of philosophy is reductionism, where do you think the concept of forms, essences, and atoms even come from? Point to the "logical" refutation which is undoubtedly some bullshit take on the mysteries of emergence and transcendence.

>> No.12620991

>>12620453
The people on the right are actual brainlets. The people on the left are legit scientists. Why? The dumbasses on the right are champions of falsifiability, without even knowing that their entire premise of the scientific method is anchored on the philosophy advocated by Karl Popper. Fucking idiots.

>> No.12621012

>>12620990
Start with the Greeks

>> No.12621020

>>12620453
>Hurr Durr fuck Philosophy.
>Uses Philosophy without knowing it

>> No.12621036

>>12620991
>their entire premise of the scientific method is anchored on the philosophy advocated by Karl Popper
And that's bad... how?

>> No.12621044

>>12621036
It's not bad. It's a good position to take! It's just, if you're entire scientific method, and the way by which you quantify knowledge, is via strict philosophical concepts, you look like an absolute dumbass when you trash philosophy.

>> No.12621046

All materialists should be forced to read the German idealists and all idealists should be forced to read the French materialists.

>> No.12621073

>>12620427
>Philosophy
Just because you enjoy the taste of poop, that doesn't mean that it's better than a fucking steak.

>> No.12621127

>>12620581
>physics explains everything, which we know because anything physics cannot explain does not exist, which we know because whatever exists must be explicable by physics, which we know because physics explains everything."
That's a good one, the pompous arrogance of the hardcore materialists really annoys me, in my opinion they go too far when they start to treat science as something akin to a belief system rather than a method and tool to approach reality with

>> No.12621481

>>12621046
Based.

>> No.12621766

>>12621046
Who are the french materialists?