Math is the best subject because it's reliable

[Anonymous No.12616714]

Once you know fundamentals, you can keep going as far as you want. Math is built on truths. It's a reliable thing to go to in this world of chaos

[Anonymous No.12616741]

>>12616714
Congratulations anon, you’re as autistic as the rest of us.

[Anonymous No.12616748]

>>12616714
>Gödel's incompleteness theorems
/thread

[Anonymous No.12616798]

>>12616748
I made the mistake of taking a philosophy of mathematics course in my last year, now I doubt all sorts of things I don't know what to do. It's not like physics is even better, a lot of modern stuff is questionable as well. I just wanted to study and know I was acquiring genuine knowledge.

[Anonymous No.12616824]

>>12616798
>I just wanted to study and know I was acquiring genuine knowledge.
Gravity isn't even a force bro. Knowledge is going to change over time. The more important thing is you have the ability to think critically when faced with new facts.

[Anonymous No.12616913]

>>12616798
look up mathematical platonism

[Anonymous No.12616916]

>>12616913
Based and redpilled

[Anonymous No.12616918]

>>12616714
>Math reliable
>Russell's paradox
Cope, mathologist.

[Anonymous No.12616929]

except not really. formalism failed. there is no solid basis only an interplay of intuition and patchwork formalism. it is also way too simplistic and leads to many delusions about the world. such as muh simplicity in physics pseudoscience, which is a leftover of christian scholasticism and was known to be faulty hundreds of years ago.

[Anonymous No.12616949]

>>12616929
What should one study for certain knowledge about the world?

[Anonymous No.12616999]

>>12616949
the notion is flawed or more that certainty has dependence on context and intent, therefore not certainty. study philosophy.

[Anonymous No.12617015]

>>12616918
see that, how you didnt understand what you just did.. used math to prove and further a semantic point.
the fact this is possible implies how far the dick on your forehead hangs below your lips.

[Anonymous No.12617023]

>>12616949
math, philosophy has no answers, literally only opinions from idiots who debate themselves on hypothetical nothing burgers.
i like camus rendition and interpritation of sisyphus for example, but i wont pretend it answers a single question about the real world.
cant make a bridge with philosophy. not even a bridge of theseus.
Sure lets get answers about the world from people who cant even remember atlantis was only a thought experiment mentioned in allegory.. but sure.

[Anonymous No.12617028]

>>12617023
So what field is best to study then?

[Anonymous No.12617041]

>>12617028
first word was math.
because i dont need to beleive in it for it to be true.
yeah there are paradoxes, but to say they apply universally is the sign of true idiocy.

[Anonymous No.12617043]

>>12617028
name a field you can actually study "knowledge" without math. even philosophy goes back to logic and d..

[Anonymous No.12617047]

>>12617043
fundamentals* (auto post)

[Anonymous No.12617048]

>low IQ schizos self masturbating
Answer this question correctly: what is math?

[Anonymous No.12617056]

>>12617048
nope, you're presenting the abstract opinion. you supply the evidence.
>extraordinary claims anon.
(hard mode, prove your point without any reference to math or its fundamentals)

[Anonymous No.12617065]

>>12617056
>claim I presented a point
>asks for evidence to a question I asked generally
were you dropped on your head or somethign?

[Anonymous No.12617197]

>>12617065
thanks anon, all i need to know.

[Anonymous No.12617202]

>>12617197
welcome.

[Anonymous No.12617212]

>>12616714
>Math is built on truths.
not according to logic and amths

[Anonymous No.12617221]

>>12617023
maths is not about the real world either

[Anonymous No.12617254]

>>12617221
true, but staying simple here.
would the coastline paradox prevent me from providing you with accurate information, if you asked for it with a certain tolerance and specified scale? say accurate to within 10m at a scale of 1:1000?
not really, but it still remains true.
real world usage and applied math makes people happy anon, and generally better off in life.
abstract and theoretical never made anyone but nutters actually happy until proof was envisaged and schema could be applied.
this is worse than semantics, this is actual pedantry.
>y u doomer math fan?

[Anonymous No.12617522]

>>12616714
>truths
stop trying to get meaning from meaningless words, tarskian brainlet

[Anonymous No.12617957]

>>12616714
OP here, wanted to say physics and not math

[Anonymous No.12617985]

No you can not just keep going as far as you want, you need to stay close to the foundation of whatever math system you use.

[Anonymous No.12618084]

>>12616714
Who's the artist for that picture?

[Anonymous No.12618223]

>>12616714
Cool pic.

[Anonymous No.12618232]

>>12616714
>Entscheidungsproblem says hi

[Anonymous No.12618255]

The entirety of the natural sciences and natural philosophy would be worthless without mathematics. This makes scientist brainlets seethe uncontrollably.
Revel in their midwit tears.

[Anonymous No.12618549]

>>12616714
Science and physics is the same.

[Anonymous No.12619824]

>>12616741
kek

[Anonymous No.12619838]

>>12616748
Who gives a shit about what a bunch of autistic philosophers have to say about math. The vast majority of pure math theorems are completely useless.

[Anonymous No.12619994]

>>12616714
>Math is built on truths
What truths? They are axioms, they are assumptions. They are literally dogma.

>reliable thing
Euclid destroyed, Frege destroyed, Hilbert's program destroyed, ZFC is a walking corpse.

>>12616798
>I made the mistake of taking a philosophy of mathematics course
I know the feel man. Suddenly you find out math is bullshit. I went from being a naïve Platonist to become a intuitionist-ish formalist though and I'm happy with that.

>>12616913
>look up mathematical platonism
How do you construct the ordinals? Zermelo-Fraenkel or von Neumann set theory?
>muh they the same
That they can't be in your platonic realm.
Platonism and realism in general is so retarded.

>>12616949
>What should one study for certain knowledge about the world?
Tards say phil has no answers while your question is a philosophical one. Study analytical philosophy, the rest is what gives phil its bs image.

>>12617043
>even philosophy goes back to logic
Logic is a branch of philosophy.

>>12617048
>Answer this question correctly: what is math?
A human invention.

[Anonymous No.12620283]

>>12616929
you cant. you can only cope

[Anonymous No.12620329]

>>12617043
logic and dick? sounds about right

[Anonymous No.12620338]

>>12619994
you can choose other axioms if you like

what is true forever is that IF you choose certain axioms, THEN you will draw certain conclusions and not others.

[Anonymous No.12620353]

>>12619994
What are your sexual fetishes?

[Anonymous No.12620710]

>>12619994
>What truths?
Reliable facts that can be used to build things that work

[Anonymous No.12620789]

>>12620710
First principles

[Anonymous No.12621883]

>>12620710
Please state those "reliable facts".

[Anonymous No.12621949]

I think this thread has really lost the point. There is some retard saying that Russel's paradox on ZFC debunks the entirety of mathematics and aswell OP saying that mathematics is an "undeniable religious truth". We aren't debating about mathematics anymore, this is philosophy, analytical philosophy.