/sfg/ Spaceflight General

[Anonymous No.12597261]

Fake rocket edition
Previous >>12594500
>Starlink NET Tuesday
>Electron NET Wednesday
>Snine static fire and hop soon tm

[Anonymous No.12597275]

Has there been any confirmation from NASA regarding the engines?

[Anonymous No.12597276]

first

[Anonymous No.12597277]

>>12597261
Oh good Lord. When I first saw this photo on my phone it looked real, but looking at it now on my computer.... who thought this would be a good idea?

[Anonymous No.12597279]

There was always an SLS

[Anonymous No.12597281]

SpaceX should be nationalized to provide jobs for Queer Alabamans of Colored

[Anonymous No.12597283]

[Anonymous No.12597287]

>>12597276
You got BTFO'd by the RS25 autist lmao

[Anonymous No.12597289]

No matter what muskrats say the SLS is a success no matter who flies first. What matters is which rocket will carry astronauts around the moon.

[Anonymous No.12597290]

>>12597289
lol no

[Anonymous No.12597293]

>>12597279
Far left was like Shuttle C but payload in a conventional fairing, NLS was literally SLS, J-D would have been ugly as sin and hit the same roadblocks as SLS, none of these options were good. Just like SLS.

[Anonymous No.12597296]

>>12597279
"In the beginning, God created Heaven and the Earth... and a proposed schematic for a shuttle-derived launch vehicle with cost-plus contracting and promises of cheap and affordable design plans"

[Anonymous No.12597302]

>>12597289
>What matters is which rocket will carry astronauts around the moon
DearMoon will fly before Artemis 2 soooo

[Anonymous No.12597303]

>>12597289
>He thinks SLS will be able to get to the Moon

[Anonymous No.12597308]

>>12597303
It can send orion on a free return so yes it can. It might take few years to sort the minor kinks with the new engines because they seem to be causing problems after their prolonged storage but those will be fixed eventually.

[Anonymous No.12597309]

>>12597296
lmao
when will the SDLV meme finally die

>>12597302
No way DearMoon flies in two years

[Anonymous No.12597314]

DUE TO THE POOR WEATHER AT THE RECOVERY ZONE
TODAYS STARLINK LAUNCH HAS BEEN POSTPONED
NEW SCHEDULED TIME FOR LAUNCH IS 0823 EASTERN TIME TOMORROW ON THE 19TH

[Anonymous No.12597318]

>>12597170
Krystal Rockets
Pic related as logo

[Anonymous No.12597319]

>>12597308
>He thinks SLS will have a short turnaround time for fixing it's huge backlog of problems, and will be able to navigate Orion to the Moon without a hitch

[Anonymous No.12597321]

>>12597279
And there will always be an SLS

[Anonymous No.12597323]

>>12597309
Why not?
>muh abort system
Just send the crew up on a Dragon 2

[Anonymous No.12597332]

>>12597323
Complex life support system needs to be designed, simulated, tested, and finally assembled and once more tested several times before the mission may fly.

If you said 15 years I could have agreed. But you say 2. That's... not how it works in space.

[Anonymous No.12597337]

>>12597314
This truly is a based form of telling the news

[Anonymous No.12597339]

>>12597332
Space is hard

[Anonymous No.12597341]

>>12597332
>That's... not how it works in space
Would you go so far as to say space is hard?

Just put a bunch of Dragon 2 life support systems on Starship, how hard can it be?

[Anonymous No.12597345]

>Soyuz 1
- crew lost
>Apollo 1
- crew lost
>STS 1
*laughing Young*

[Anonymous No.12597350]

>>12597323
I don't expect them to develop life support and enough confidence in EDL to fly humans in it by 2023. Also, Elon's "hundreds of flights before flying humans" comment, and I'm pretty sure it was said pretty recently that not much consideration has been put into the interior layout yet, despite the moonship mockup.

[Anonymous No.12597352]

>>12597341
>Just put a bunch of Dragon 2 life support systems on Starship, how hard can it be?
Reminds me of how for Saylut 1 the Russians just slapped some Soyuz life support systems on an unfinished Almaz hull

[Anonymous No.12597357]

>>12597345
I would NOT want to be the first dude to launch up on a space shuttle. These two had balls of absolute steel. You're sandwiched between two missiles and a fuel tank, and you have to glide back down with basically no glide ratio lol

[Anonymous No.12597359]

>>12597350
>>12597352
Starship has the mass budget to just take multiple entire Dragon 2s for their life support systems and EDL

[Anonymous No.12597362]

>>12597341
>Just put a bunch of Dragon 2 life support

It's not that easy in rocketry - you can't just put a capsule inside a new vehicle so that its life support replaces the non-existing one of the other and call it a day.
For one, its terribly inefficient way to do it. Not to mention carrying high levels of risk as it's never been done before and for good reasons.

[Anonymous No.12597366]

>>12597275
https://twitter.com/JimBridenstine/status/1350963310557069314
>Core stage & engines in good shape
>Core stage & engines in good shape
>Core stage & engines in good shape
>Core stage & engines in good shape

[Anonymous No.12597369]

>>12597366
>doubt

[Anonymous No.12597371]

>>12597362
>For one, its terribly inefficient way to do it
don't care, have mass budget
>it's never been done before and for good reasons.
because nobody has made a rocket this big before on such a small budget or rapid schedule

[Anonymous No.12597372]

Can you go without co2 scrubbing, by constantly venting and replenishing the atmosphere instead? The method could work for cooling as well.

[Anonymous No.12597377]

>>12597296
And on the 10th year congress said "let there be another $2.5 billion" and there was and it was good

[Anonymous No.12597378]

>>12597366
I just realized I look like an absolute SLS shill with this post, now I may dislike SLS but godamnit I hate to see America lose even more

[Anonymous No.12597380]

>>12597372
just send like 20 tons worth of those little oxygen candles

[Anonymous No.12597384]

>>12597362
>just put dragon inside starship
this unironically sounds like it would solve all the problems you're pointing out. "It just wouldn't work" isn't doing anything to convince me otherwise.

[Anonymous No.12597387]

>>12597366
Ah yes, the nominal call of Major Component Fun after a standard pre-determined 67.2 second fire, as expected

[Anonymous No.12597393]

>>12597387
>>12597377
Kek

[Anonymous No.12597394]

>>12597279
worse is that if you add up the cost of all those programs, plus constellation, which was basically the same. plus SLS, and add the money that is expected to spend until block II flies, and add like the minimum amount of overbudget expected

its like an apollo program worth of money

for something thats completely useless. Anything before block II can be launched with a falcon heavy

[Anonymous No.12597398]

>>12597387
Jim would rather see SLS going down in flames, than being cancelled without flying once

[Anonymous No.12597399]

>>12597378
>I hate to see America lose even more
america will only win when its goverment loses

[Anonymous No.12597422]

>>12597275
yes, they're shit, and big jim is leaving nasa for spacex to take up the job of reaching items from the top of the high bay

[Anonymous No.12597429]

>>12597372
Too much CO2 in the air makes you feel like you're suffocating.

[Anonymous No.12597430]

Learned of yet another smallsat company today. "Abl Space Systems". Seems like their rocket is the biggest of the bunch. Even larger than firefly with a payload capacity of 1350 Kg. Runs on RP-1 with a GG cycle. Rumor has it that they're going to launch "soon".


https://ablspacesystems.com/
https://ablspacesystems.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/rs1_payload_users_guide_v2-2.pdf

[Anonymous No.12597433]

>>12597332
reusableboomer.meme

[Anonymous No.12597442]

>>12597430
but that is just a tube in a basement

[Anonymous No.12597448]

>>12597430
Wtf, is smallsat the new money laundering scheme or something? They're popping up faster than mattress stores

[Anonymous No.12597450]

>>12597279
Hey, stop stealing my (You)'s by posting my pic from last thread

[Anonymous No.12597454]

>>12597362
apollo 13

[Anonymous No.12597466]

>>12597387
and the lord said "let there be light", and there was, for a little over a minute

[Anonymous No.12597469]

>>12597450
Too bad 鬼佬. Cheating and stealing is STRONG.

[Anonymous No.12597473]

>>12597430
looks like their niche, aside from having a large smallsat rocket, is being able to cram their launch pad into shipping containers and launch from anywhere with a concrete pad.

>>12597448
every newly rising industry has its share of fakes. Guaranteed a few of these companies will turn out to be nothing but hot air

[Anonymous No.12597484]

>>12597448

how much demand is there for smallsats? how many uses can there actually be for that kind of thing?

[Anonymous No.12597487]

>>12597469
>five minutes later
https://youtu.be/4nr6Tlu0EvM

[Anonymous No.12597500]

https://youtu.be/ZNZx208bw0g
>the Saturn Launch System could have been flying by now

[Anonymous No.12597507]

>>12597448
It's retarded, if you want to take advantage of the space boom, you need to build payloads, not a 100th small launcher

[Anonymous No.12597510]

>>12597469
Wasn't that one actually made by a Chinese fan of SpaceX?

[Anonymous No.12597511]

>>12597473
>cram their launch pad into shipping containers and launch from anywhere with a concrete pad.
"Bond villain" is a strange launcher niche but we'll see how it pans out

[Anonymous No.12597514]

>>12597289
SLS is a white elephant that will fly a handful of times to save everyone's face and then will get retired with great pomp. Any expendable launch system in 2021 is obsolete.

[Anonymous No.12597516]

>>12597279
As is nature

[Anonymous No.12597523]

>>12597308
>It might take few years to sort the minor kinks with the new engines
...two decades and hundreds of billions of $ later:
>It might take few years to sort the minor kinks with the new engines

[Anonymous No.12597529]

>>12597430
I was looking at ABL earlier. With the word on the street that they're fairly close, I imagine they'll be in the next wave of entrants alongside Relativity, but I haven't seen no news out of them. They have pictures of static fires as well as that mockup, but nothing substantial of the rocket itself, which should be coming along if it's launching as soon as some think.
Their gimmick is that their rocket is "simple". It's really not clear what this means outside of Astra-esque launch setup and a proposal to eventually fly the rocket with Jet-A instead of RP-1. They seem legit, but I wish they would be a bit more forthcoming.
I give them a 2/3 chance of launching, maybe a 1/4 chance of reaching orbit, and a 5% chance of making it.

[Anonymous No.12597532]

>>12597473
>>12597430
ah, now this is making more sense. Looks like they've deliberately designed their program to get as much gov money as possible. A smart way to go about it.

>>12597511
the military seems to have a keen interest in rapid launch services. Even if it doesn't work they got the dosh from attempting it.

>>12597500
guarantee you that an F1-B engine made mostly from scratch would have been quicker than having to fit a square peg into a round hole- that is having to make the most complex engine ever made play nice with a completely different platform. I hope we get an SLS documentary someday that details what a nightmare that all must have been.

[Anonymous No.12597535]

>>12597510
Yep
Spacex has fanboys even in china

[Anonymous No.12597537]

"This is how Elon does it right?"

[Anonymous No.12597539]

>>12597516
based mars direct ares putting the SSME where it belongs, on the second stage

now just replace the first stage and SRBs with kerosene and you have a sensible rocket

[Anonymous No.12597555]

>>12597537
Reminder that this POS got more money than Dragon, and it's still being cobbled together on the cutting room floor like an autist's kitbash project

[Anonymous No.12597556]

>>12597537
>Starliner testbed no. 2
>actually goes off swimmingly
>the new hatch won't open
>take 3

[Anonymous No.12597557]

>>12597516
What a fucking waste those Boeing SDV and Jarvis concepts are.

[Anonymous No.12597567]

Good news, /sfg/! You've been given a ticket to space! Choose your ride!
https://www.strawpoll.me/42469284

[Anonymous No.12597568]

>>12597529
yeah, they sound like a kinda hybrid between astra and relativity, with the rocket size being closer to firefly. Will be interesting to watch at least

[Anonymous No.12597574]

>>12597555
>fragile sticker on it

[Anonymous No.12597580]

>>12597567
an odd poll. The only winning move is not to play

[Anonymous No.12597581]

>>12597567
Any one of these will kill me anon.

[Anonymous No.12597582]

>>12597557
The single SSME alone costs more than a Falcon 9 for less payload, even with a drone ship landing.

What the fuck Boeing.

[Anonymous No.12597587]

>>12597537
>No backup lever/hinge for redundancy

[Anonymous No.12597588]

>>12597567
Artemis 1 for sure, all 3 are a death sentence but at least on that one you have a chance of being entombed in lunar orbit.

[Anonymous No.12597600]

>>12597537
>>12597555
>Boing

[Anonymous No.12597603]

>>12597557
>While the Hughes proposal for the "Jarvis" would have been powered by a pair of Saturn V F-1 engines, when Boeing joined the proposal they quickly shifted the proposal toward a Shuttle-derived in-line design consisting of an External Tank powered by a single aft-mounted Space Shuttle Main Engine (SSME) augmented by a pair of Solid Rocket Boosters.
I am not okay with Boeing existing

[Anonymous No.12597604]

>>12597567
>SN9
Die on earth
>Starliner
Die on reentry
>Artemis
Die orbiting the moon

Of course I take the most glorious death around the moon.

[Anonymous No.12597618]

>>12597603
>Shuttle-derived in-line design consisting of an External Tank powered by a single aft-mounted Space Shuttle Main Engine (SSME) augmented by a pair of Solid Rocket Boosters
It's amazing how persistent this retarded idea was until they finally managed to force it into a production rocket. I swear they're gonna find out at some point some conniving kike had proto-SLS designs written up before the Shuttle even existed.

[Anonymous No.12597620]

>>12597603
I hate that company so fucking much

[Anonymous No.12597621]

>>12597604
>>Artemis
>Die orbiting the moon

Shrapnel Launch System has a good chance to break up in atmosphere, if the engines fail

[Anonymous No.12597623]

>>12597618
The Martin Thiokol design predates Shuttle flying
>>12597279
Literally the moment SSMEs even existed on paper, somebody immediately said "what if we put them on the bottom and the payload on top", it's like a fucking memetic hazard

[Anonymous No.12597628]

>>12597618
>conniving
Why am I seeing this shit everywhere lately instead of 'cunning'?
The fuck is going on? New form of censorship that has afflicted the npc's like how they replaced fucking with heckin' because corporate environments had some no-no rules made about the former?

[Anonymous No.12597629]

>>12597603
FUCK

BOING

[Anonymous No.12597630]

www
baka gaijin w

[Anonymous No.12597632]

>>12597630
Wtf is this?

[Anonymous No.12597637]

>>12597628
Cunning is neutral while conniving has negative connotations, ESL.

[Anonymous No.12597639]

>>12597632
idk it says "JAXA RVT-9" on the side in big letters maybe you could Google that

[Anonymous No.12597645]

>>12597637
Followup: the meaning is also significantly different, cunning is a mental attribute while conniving is an active process of subversion. I really should have included this in the first post but I was sidelined by how bizarre the reaction was.

[Anonymous No.12597646]

>>12597621
True, the odds of actually getting to space are probably best on Starliner / Atlas V.

[Anonymous No.12597647]

>>12597630
looks like nip version of the Delta Clipper

[Anonymous No.12597652]

>>12597186
>congratulations My Sides on successfully reaching orbit
>First flyby of planet X done by My Sides
>First extra-solar voyage will be riding on My Sides
ebin

[Anonymous No.12597656]

>>12597639
I’m good

[Anonymous No.12597673]

>>12597523
Can't fail if you never launch

[Anonymous No.12597679]

>>12597632
space buttplug

[Anonymous No.12597681]

>>12597632
>>12597647
Japanese time machine

[Anonymous No.12597705]

>>12597500
I'd give up my legs to live in the timeline where we got this instead

[Anonymous No.12597722]

>>12597705
On the other hand, at least our timeline may end up seeing a NASA-funded starship due to the sheer overwhelming shittyness of SLS.

[Anonymous No.12597747]

>>12597652
>not posting the picture

[Anonymous No.12597773]

>>12597516
what advantage is there for putting the solid fuel boosters so much lower than the liquid engines?

[Anonymous No.12597777]

wonder how the virgins solved this ullage issue. Sounds like a real bitch.

>>12593760
>>12593784
>>12593783
in theory could a 747 mount 2 rockets- one on each wing? Would be an improvement economically but more importantly launching 2 rockets at once would be fucking sick

[Anonymous No.12597786]

[Anonymous No.12597795]

A specter has been spotted close to the Stennis testing facility
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E39bczlOnw0

[Anonymous No.12597802]

>>12597786
would it have actually been this simple? Could the external tank really handle all that extra stress without significant modification? I really doubt you could just slap shit on top of it and have it work.

[Anonymous No.12597811]

>>12597786
slow that down by 10^27 minutes and it'll be like real life

[Anonymous No.12597814]

>>12597802
>Could the external tank really handle all that extra stress without significant modification?
No, see THE ENTIRE SLS PROGRAM

[Anonymous No.12597824]

>>12597802
Shh no one mention the Shuttle C

[Anonymous No.12597843]

>>12597802
it could handle the stresses of the SRBs mounted directly onto it. Wayne Hales only objection to putting payloads on top of the external fuel tank was that it made it utterly impossible to abort the crewed shuttle if it was attached, not that the tank could not have withstood the forces.

[Anonymous No.12597847]

>>12597814
Yeah, this

[Anonymous No.12597865]

>>12597786
>Removes the shuttle
Yes,good
>Removes the SRBs
Yesss
>SRBs aren't thrown away
Nonononono
CAST IT INTO THE FIRE
DESTROY IT
ISILDUR

[Anonymous No.12597866]

>>12597843
>it made it utterly impossible to abort the crewed shuttle if it was attached
as opposed to having the shuttle stuck to the side, which made it practically impossible

[Anonymous No.12597874]

>>12597865
>throw away the most reliable part of the system

[Anonymous No.12597875]

You could just flip this meme around to portray the whole SLS program.

>It's not necessary
>No, but it's possible

[Anonymous No.12597878]

>>12597345

Don't forget:
>Soyuz 11, on Salyut 1
"I can't brea-"
>Skylab 1, station launch
"Mah bird has a broken wing!"
>Mercury-Redstone 1
That one's just funny as fuck. Look it up.

I was very concerned about the first Dragon mission for this reason, but happily it worked out for them. I hope the Indians are smart enough to designate Gaganyaan 1 as some uncrewed meme launch, saving later numbers for the crewed missions.

[Anonymous No.12597879]

>>12597874
>SRBs
>Most reliable

Uhh anon

[Anonymous No.12597881]

>>12597747

[Anonymous No.12597894]

>>12597879
What is that, fireworks?

[Anonymous No.12597900]

https://twitter.com/lvladimirovBG/status/1350664213904154625?s=20

This going to be moonbase alpha tier jank

[Anonymous No.12597901]

>>12597894
You've never seen a sky snail?

[Anonymous No.12597903]

>>12597777
Could be with multiple inlets and valves to control which inlet is active.

And the reason why the rocket is where it is on Virgin's 747 is because the 747 series as a whole have a hardpoint there meant to transport an extra engine. The other wing does not have the hard-point, so they'd have to essentially rip open the entire inner third of that wing and the wing root, then modify the internal superstructure for the additional loading.

[Anonymous No.12597904]

>>12597894
something they fixed
unlike the tiles

[Anonymous No.12597905]

>>12597879
Can I get a comm check bros?

[Anonymous No.12597909]

>>12597903
>The other wing does not have the hard-point, so they'd have to essentially rip open the entire inner third of that wing and the wing root, then modify the internal superstructure for the additional loading.
damn, that would have been awesome. Still, thanks for the answer.

>>12597879
does /sfg/ agree with Homer Hickam in that humans should never ride on a system using SRBs?

[Anonymous No.12597912]

F

[Anonymous No.12597916]

>>12597378
it's okay Shamiko

[Anonymous No.12597921]

Anyone posted this distilled Copium yet?
www.businessinsider.com/nasa-moon-rockets-engine-issue-could-doom-2021-launch-2021-1%3famp
> It was a magnificent moment. And it just brought joy that after all this time, now we've got a rocket. The only rocket on the face of the planet capable of taking humans to the moon was firing all four RS-25 engines at the same time.
>At the time that they made the call we did still have four good engines up and running at 109%
>The amount of progress that we've made here today is remarkable. And no, this is not a failure. This is a test. And we tested today in a way that is meaningful, where we're going to learn and we're going to make adjustments and we're going to fly to the moon

[Anonymous No.12597925]

>>12597912
Everyone talks about Berenstain / Berenstein and Mandela but this is when reality actually forked, big bird was meant to die for our sins.

[Anonymous No.12597933]

>>12597921
>oldspace costs more and takes longer because they pass the tests first time every time
>it's ok when they fail tests because this is why we test

[Anonymous No.12597947]

>>12597681
looks cute

[Anonymous No.12597953]

>>12597921
>needed at least 3min for data
>got 60 seconds
>no time to gimbal or anything
>all we learned was that we're not able to run tech that performed flawlessly for decades
>why does spacex get to say their RUD is a successful test
>our test was successful too

[Anonymous No.12597956]

>>12597933
>SLS blows up when they rush the Artemis 1 launch
>This is why we test american equipment on american soil before sending american astronauts to the american moon, which america will get to before fucking musk.

[Anonymous No.12597957]

>>12597921
>The only rocket on the face of the planet capable of taking humans to the moon
surely they know this rhetoric is going to come back to bite them, right? I mean it's so obvious, right?

[Anonymous No.12597964]

>>12597912
https://youtu.be/X0G59ZB7YjE
>flying minding my business
>the skyscraper I'm flying over jumps up and rams into me
>turns me into extra-crispy KFC with chlorine and alumina flavoring on the way up

[Anonymous No.12597973]

>>12597865

[Anonymous No.12597991]

>>12597964
I like how the camera man was like "woah holy shit look at this!"

[Anonymous No.12597995]

>>12597964
Dont forget Spacebat. For those who dont remember, Spacebat was one of the smaller species of bat, dont remember which one, who decided to take a nap on the side of the Shuttle ET . Said bat proceeds to go on a ride when the shuttle launches with it still attached to the tank.

[Anonymous No.12597998]

>>12597921
>The only rocket on the face of the planet capable of taking humans to the moon
Aren't there still multiple flight article Saturn Vs? Not to mention Falcon Heavy. Or Proton.

[Anonymous No.12598002]

>>12597995
Umm, based?

[Anonymous No.12598006]

>>12597995
There was also flame trench frog that got yeeted at the camera at high speed.

[Anonymous No.12598008]

>>12597998
>Aren't there still multiple flight article Saturn Vs?
no there's no saturn v that's flyable nothing resembling it.

[Anonymous No.12598013]

>>12598006
That was from one of the CRS missions though, wasnt it?

[Anonymous No.12598021]

us

[Anonymous No.12598025]

>>12598013
No it was on the maiden (and only) flight of the Minotaur V

[Anonymous No.12598030]

>>12598025
I believe I can fly....

[Anonymous No.12598034]

>>12597953
>>why does spacex get to say their RUD is a successful test
>>our test was successful too
Are they really reaching that far?

[Anonymous No.12598039]

>>12598006

[Anonymous No.12598043]

>>12598025
lmao

[Anonymous No.12598047]

>>12598008
Theres a fully finished flight ready saturn V on display in huntsville.

[Anonymous No.12598056]

>>12598034
yes.

[Anonymous No.12598059]

>>12598047
isn't that one missing a bunch of parts?
does it even have the MLI on the F-1 engines?

[Anonymous No.12598060]

>>12598047
>flight ready
Doubt, looking complete from the outside and being flight ready are very different things.

[Anonymous No.12598064]

>>12598059
As far as I understand it's 100% finished besides the MLI which gets installed over at KSC.

[Anonymous No.12598065]

>>12598043
Vibe check

[Anonymous No.12598068]

>>12598034
>>12598056
Kek, I would have no problem with SLS exploding while they rapidly and cheaply developed it but for that to happen we would need to go back in time 9 year and get $16 billion back.

[Anonymous No.12598069]

>>12598047
The one on its side in Huntsville is the dynamic test article, which theoretically could be converted, but wouldn’t exactly be any easier than building a new one, and the one standing upright outside is just a 1:1 scale model. The Saturn V they keep indoors at KSC has a much better chance of being converted back into a flyable rocket

[Anonymous No.12598080]

>>12598021
Those guys have the right butts.

[Anonymous No.12598081]

>>12598047
>Theres a fully finished flight ready saturn V
that's what a retarded person who didnt finish high school would believe. If you think they could make it fly even with 10 billion dollars to put in it then lol, i seriously hope you didnt finish high school because whatever college let you near it is automatically non acceptable

[Anonymous No.12598082]

>>12598047
That’s like saying that SpaceX could fly their B1019 booster sitting out there in Hawthorne. It’s missing a lot of parts

[Anonymous No.12598097]

>>12598069
KSC Saturn V is in pretty good condition, but not a full set of flight hardware
JSC Saturn V is a full set of flight hardware, but not in great condition
Ideally, you'd use the KSC one, taking the few bits you don't have from the JSC one.

[Anonymous No.12598100]

>>12597387
Well it could be a sensor. It probably isn't, but these engine have had trouble with sensors before.

[Anonymous No.12598105]

>>12598097
This is all academic though. Will never happen for lots of reasons.

[Anonymous No.12598110]

>>12598100
There's rumors going around that this actually was just a sensor problem. Unconfirmed at the moment, though.

[Anonymous No.12598130]

>>12597516
>SSME upper stage proposed in 1991
>in 30 years they never figured out how to air light them
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[Anonymous No.12598133]

Anons let’s assume the first manned flight to mars lands around 2027 or so
What’s the next planet we visit with a manned craft, and when?

[Anonymous No.12598135]

>>12598100
Jim would probably just say that it's a sensor. That would be a pretty big difference.

[Anonymous No.12598139]

>>12598133
The next planet is Earth, after all the Martian bros realize it's hard as fuck to live on Mars lol

[Anonymous No.12598151]

>>12598133
in orbit around venus, probably.

[Anonymous No.12598153]

>>12597652
I'm glad someone got it

[Anonymous No.12598155]

>>12598047
>>12598069
>theoretically could be converted
theoretically you could convert my ass into a falcon heavy, by removing my ass and paying for a falcon heavy.

in this case, it's not even possible to do that.
that mockup is like 80% fake parts, even if you had infinite money you couldnt mantain or recreate a saturn V a lot of the techniques are depending on people and materials that just dont exist anymore.

so whoever said it could be done is objectively 10000 forever wrong to the point of deserving to be beaten up for the mere fact of not being ashamed to speak after such retardation even considering he did it anonymously

[Anonymous No.12598157]

>>12598135
They have to crawl over several terabytes of data and conclusively eliminate all other scenarios before they can say it was just a sensor. It's still a possibility.

[Anonymous No.12598160]

>>12598155
It COULD be done, Anon. It'd just be ridiculously stupid.

[Anonymous No.12598165]

>>12598100
>>12598110
>>12597387
"just a sensor problem" is a really shitty statement. It really means "at least a sensor problem". they are implying they can be sure that the measurements was wrong but that the conditions achieved did not put the engine in danger, but THEY CANT KNOW NIGGA THE FUCKING SENSOR WASNT WORKING TEHY WERE JUST GUESSING

i hope they launch it and it launches sideway with one engine failing so that all that circus gets done away for good and nasa engineers actualyl ahvet o work

[Anonymous No.12598167]

>>12598133
Hard surface landing on a planet? Mercury. Everything else is a gas giant, a hellworld, a moon, or a dwarf planet.

[Anonymous No.12598169]

>>12597484
They are aiming for NASA contracts and to grift a living for a decade off it
“Aiding commercial space” is just firing contracts for useless things to grifters

[Anonymous No.12598170]

>>12598160
>It COULD be done, Anon. It'd just be ridiculously stupid.
nope noper, (you get another suicide point for daring to think you have the right to speak, and 50 more for actually replying when youre so wrong)

notes for the original engine were done, many artisanal techniques and materials dont exist anymore and are lost. Its like saying with enough money you could recreate a sonata that bach wrote alone in his studio and never told anyone about it . Its just lost forever

[Anonymous No.12598172]

>>12597904
Yeah, they fixed it by not launching in the fucking cold weather.

[Anonymous No.12598174]

>>12598153
it wasn't as funny as the guy who named his organization FART

[Anonymous No.12598176]

Reminder

[Anonymous No.12598177]

>>12597773
Not destroying ur engines with vibrations

[Anonymous No.12598180]

>>12598133
If planet-size moons count, Ganymede or Callisto

[Anonymous No.12598182]

>>12598170
Okay but the F-1B exists so who cares? An F-1B and J-2X based Saturn V clone was NASA's preferred architecture for SLS, but Congress mandated they use Shuttle parts.

[Anonymous No.12598183]

>>12598165
Anon, there are ways to conclusively tell whether or not a particular sensor was acting up. You can cross-reference with other sensors across the hardware and figure out if the value is reasonable.

[Anonymous No.12598185]

>>12598176
>Powerful orange body gives off connotations of strength
ironically it's orange because without the foam the shitty fuel would leak out through the tank

[Anonymous No.12598188]

>>12598180
I’ll accept it.
>>12598167
a manned mission is a manned mission, doesn’t have to stay and doesn’t have to be to the surface.

[Anonymous No.12598190]

>>12598176
I like how he's holding the SRB's lmao

[Anonymous No.12598191]

>>12598170
Nope. There are more than 10 F1s in existence, Anon. It could be done.

[Anonymous No.12598197]

>>12598172
That should be common sense anyway. Shuttle is not a Soyuz. They didn't have to kill seven people just to figure it out.

[Anonymous No.12598198]

>>12598182
>Okay but the F-1B exists so who cares?
Because its not just the engine that uses obsolete tooling equipment and materials, its the whole rocket. and even so, if you use F-1B it wouldnt be the same rocket nor would it work with an identical rocket.

STOP SPEAKING LIKE IF YOURE NOT THE LOWEST OF THE LOWEST OF THE SCALE, YOU SHOULD COMMIT ALL YOUR DESCENDANTS TO BUILDING STATUES OF ME FOR THE ONLY REASON I TOOK THE TIME TO ACKNOWLEDGE YOU EXIST

[Anonymous No.12598201]

>>12598198
I bet that me and twenty dudes could get it working again if you gave us a few million and cost-plus on all the cranes

[Anonymous No.12598202]

>>12598183
little retardito, believe it or not, what you can think in 5 minutes, 100 top tier aerospace engineers can probably come up with given 5 years and infinite budget, so listen the listeney:

if a sensor can be identified as conclusively acting up because of cross referencing then the software can do it in real time and it would warrant a warning but not a shutdown.
capisce little retardito?

[Anonymous No.12598204]

>>12598191
As good as they were, trying to fire them today after sitting around for 50 years sounds like an awful idea

[Anonymous No.12598207]

>>12597555
Close the door on them, light a match, do et.

[Anonymous No.12598208]

>>12598191
>Nope. There are more than 10 F1s in existence, Anon. It could be done.
none of them is in a condition to fly without any replacement, and even if they were no mantainance is possible

2x the monuments ploxy ploxers

>>12598201
you could not satisfy a woman or make your very undemanding parents proud if you had a few trillion, much less do what you say

[Anonymous No.12598209]

>>12598133
Unpopular opinion time.
We shouldn't do Mars yet, it will be another token mission with no long term plans to expand on it like the Apollo missions where.
This is what we need and the order we need them in:

>LEO station matching the moons inclination capable of producing 1g spin gravity
>Lunar station in sun synchronous polar orbit
>Lunar base progressing to a permanently inhabited with artificial gravity cones if needed

Then we can start worrying about Mars but right now we are talking about building the first colony outside of earth 6 to 18 months travel away instead of 3 days away, this isn't the smart play.

[Anonymous No.12598212]

>>12598191
>its possible to use engines in storage for 50 years even tough the knowledge to how most of the part function or are mantained has mostly bene lost
anon i...

[Anonymous No.12598213]

>>12598130
>doing anything without explicit congressional legislation and juicy cost plus contracts

Nope
Not how budgets work
You never try to save money or do more, that’s how you get your budget reduced

[Anonymous No.12598214]

>>12598176

[Anonymous No.12598217]

>>12598209
i agree. Just do a 2-3 year moon mission which would be identical to mars and use low cost LEO to sink a trillion bux into salt water engine. That way you have 1 week round trip to mars

[Anonymous No.12598219]

>>12598209
you've just assumed that anything less than 1g isn't going to be habitable, but there's no evidence of that. The problems with microgravity are very likely not going to be a problem in 1/3g on Mars. If we just need to get out of microgravity, going to Mars is a fine solution. No reason to put around the moon.

[Anonymous No.12598225]

>>12598204
F-1B exists, it uses similar plumbing
cleaning out the cobwebs would be a pain in the ass, and you'd need to go over the whole thing checking for parts that aren't made of metal that have degraded...
the whole avionics system would need to be stripped out, but that's just wiring, plenty of room for whatever you want to shove into the instrument units
>>12598208

[Anonymous No.12598226]

>>12598225
3x the monuments

[Anonymous No.12598230]

>>12598225
Scratch-building F-1Bs would be cheaper than getting old Apollo engines flight ready.

[Anonymous No.12598234]

>>12598230
yeah that's the suggestion, swap in some F-1B and J-2X
really depends on how narrow the margins are on the thrust structure

[Anonymous No.12598235]

>>12598219
>you've just assumed that anything less than 1g isn't going to be habitable
No, by having a station that can spin up to 1g it covers the worse case scenario and allows people that have returned from a 2.5 year Mars mission to slowly return to 1g before landing on Earth.

>The problems with microgravity are very likely not going to be a problem in 1/3g on Mars
We don't know, with the station we could find out.

>No reason to put around the moon
I was talking about a second station around the moon with spin gravity and picked sun synchronous because it will be in constant sunlight for solar and allow landers to descend from it to land at sunrise anywhere on the moon for the best working conditions.

[Anonymous No.12598237]

>>12598235
Is SSLO even stable?

[Anonymous No.12598238]

>>12598209
I don’t necessarily disagree but i think you’re underestimating the propaganda value of a manned mars mission. It’ll build public confidence and interest in space, and market confidence as well. The moon mission for china was about demonstrating that it has a place in space with the big boys, the US moon missions were in large part about proving American industry was better than soviet industry. If musk gets people to mars, it’ll prove that humanity, and private industry, really can push through and make space “easy.”

[Anonymous No.12598240]

>>12598202
>implying that you can do this in real time

[Anonymous No.12598244]

>>12598214
updated for current times

[Anonymous No.12598245]

>>12598204
You'd definitely have to pretty much take them apart and put it back together, but angrynon is wrong that it's impossible. It'd be dumb as shit, but you could do it.

[Anonymous No.12598252]

>>12598202
You assume NASA is using modern software

[Anonymous No.12598258]

>>12598237
Stable-ish, you would need to spend a couple of hundred m/s delta-v a year to maintain it.

>>12598238
>i think you’re underestimating the propaganda value of a manned mars mission
I'm not, it would be like the moon all over again and we saw how that worked out long term.

[Anonymous No.12598261]

>>12598245
Honestly they could have spent as much as they did on SLS just trying to refurb F1's and get them flight ready, and said "well it's just not gonna work. All that money went down the drain" and I wouldn't even be mad

[Anonymous No.12598266]

>>12598252
There are terabytes of data coming from the rocket, and the various interactions are complex as hell. You'd need to haul around a supercomputer or two to be able to do these calculations on the fly, instead if after the fact when there's no immediate time constraint.

[Anonymous No.12598275]

>>12598266
Brainlet here. Would a meme quantum computer be able to analyze data like this in an instant? Or is that not what QC's do

[Anonymous No.12598277]

>>12598258
i think the post moon landing failures have more to do with government mismanagement and the collapse of the USSR than anything else.

[Anonymous No.12598278]

>>12598266
Replied to the wrong post. Meant >>12598202

[Anonymous No.12598286]

>>12598275
QCs currently don’t do anything and only kind of exist. The ones that exist can only solve extremely specific problems, like literally a couple of math problems they were built to solve fast

[Anonymous No.12598290]

>>12598275
nigga if quantum computer were some magic shit that solved all your problem instantly then we'd all be using them
you're clearly retarded pls leave

[Anonymous No.12598291]

>>12598252
modern computers? nah, you can do it with computers from the 80s
>>12598266
>a supercomputer
wow, if there was something that nasa is known for having

[Anonymous No.12598295]

>>12598277
I don't think government mismanagement is what caused the last Apollo mission to have lower ratings than a game show.
People have short attention spans so counting on "inspiring them" only works for a year or two tops, not the decades needed to build real space infrastructure.

[Anonymous No.12598297]

>>12598286
Yeah that's what I figured. Popsci makes them out to be either god-tier tech, or dystopian prime number security crackers. I think they only do basic things as of right now and probably won't get better for a long, long time

[Anonymous No.12598307]

>>12598252
NASA probably has cutting edge software... if the current year was 2011

[Anonymous No.12598309]

>>12598297
>or dystopian prime number security crackers
This is sadly the more plausible outcome. Government and industry are already working on "post quantum" cryptography that can't be undone by Shorr's Algorithm. Anything stuck on RSA is suuuuuuuper fucked long term.

t. used to work down the hall from some guys building these algorithms

[Anonymous No.12598312]

>>12598291
>thinking you can put a heavy-ass supercomputer on a rocket without bogging it down with weight
Or alternatively
>thinking a real-world launch has the bandwidth to send every bit of data downstream and doesn't have to pick and choose
Or finally
>thinking that it makes sense to develop real-time software for complex system interactions that can only be used once on a stage in a test stand with a direct hardline link and wouldn't be able to affect the hardware anyway without defeating the point of the test
Yeah, okay

[Anonymous No.12598313]

>>12598295
Doing a dozen identical moon landings IS government mismanagement in a nutshell

[Anonymous No.12598317]

>>12598313
There were a half dozen and I would say building the Saturn, CSM and LEM for a single mission would be much worse mismanagement.

[Anonymous No.12598318]

>>12598290
kek, adios
>>12598277
The public didn't give a shit after Apollo 11. Spaceflight was doomed the second we BTFO russia and everyone moved on with their lives and congress pushed Von Braun to a back office

[Anonymous No.12598320]

>>12598297
They could pretty wild, we probably have a similar idea to their capabilities that people using analog computers did for digital. They’re basically still just theoretical aside

[Anonymous No.12598325]

>>12598318
It wasn’t doomed, they just needed to stop doing the same thing
Aka decisions a real organization makes and not a bureaucracy

[Anonymous No.12598336]

>>12598325
>>12598318
The effect of the public losing interest is a common thing for spaceflight. Look at the views on YouTube for Demo-2 Versus Crew-1. It’s obvious more people cared about Demo-2 because it was new and special, but Crew-1 just got a “meh” from a lot of people. Or look at the Falcon Heavy’s maiden flight versus its second one - Arabsat 6A

[Anonymous No.12598347]

>>12598336
It's not just the general public. The President showed up for Demo-2 but not Crew-1.

[Anonymous No.12598349]

>>12598295
disagree, presentation is everything. Compare one of NASA's dincky streams to the Falcon Heavy test flight. No comparison.

[Anonymous No.12598358]

>>12598325
Oh, you are one of the "private industry is better than government" types.
Lets go over a little history, lets say the 17th century as that is when colonialism really got going and we are talking about building colonies here.
Who paid for sailors to sail off the edge of the maps? Was it private industry expecting RIO or governments? When new lands were found who built the first ports? When those ports were attacked who provided the security forces?
Private industry expects a short to mid-term RIO and they aren't going to spend billions or trillions building on lawless lands without a police force or military to enforce their property rights.

As much as I wish non-military space expansion was a realistic option it hasn't been historically and for good reasons.

>>12598349
>comparing 2021 NASA to 1972 NASA
No comparison.

[Anonymous No.12598361]

>>12598312
5x the monuments polxers

[Anonymous No.12598365]

>>12598309
>just trust us, this curve we've generated is totally securee
>t. NSA
>never mind the previous one, that was hacked, here use this one instead
>t. NSA

[Anonymous No.12598366]

>>12598358
>Oh, you are one of the "private industry is better than government" types.
yes my little infeiror, aka "knowers of objective truths that you have to admit unless youre an insufferable piece of shit who lives to please lefty thieves" kind of types

[Anonymous No.12598368]

>>12598358
The men and nations of the 17th century were nothing like the bureaucracies and mutts of today

[Anonymous No.12598369]

>>12598365
This is being generated by a bunch of dudes without security clearances at tech companies as well as the NSA. It would be significantly harder to keep quiet.

[Anonymous No.12598372]

Hybergoligs :DDDD

[Anonymous No.12598378]

>>12598366
>can't counter my points
This is why I hate partisan politics, people see red and turn off their brain.

>>12598368
What about financial risk, expected RIO and business requiring law to function has changed?

[Anonymous No.12598381]

>>12598369
one of those tech dudes in Seattle (a good friend of mine) just spilled the beans to me
encryption is fucked big time but it's not a problem because you can trust the government

[Anonymous No.12598383]

>>12598372
I'M GONNA PLOOOOOOOOOOOOM

[Anonymous No.12598387]

>>12598358
what a stupid worthless post.

[Anonymous No.12598390]

>>12598387
Care to make a counter argument?

[Anonymous No.12598397]

>>12598378
>I hate partisan politics, people see red and turn off their brain.
>says the guy who started randomly shouting about how bad private industry is when an anon said bureaucracies are bloated shit
hm.

[Anonymous No.12598399]

>>12598383
neither the boosters nor the main engines were hypergolic

[Anonymous No.12598400]

>>12598399
the OMS and RCS was hypergolic

[Anonymous No.12598403]

>>12598383
fuck yo ploooooom

[Anonymous No.12598404]

>>12598378
anon i...

[Anonymous No.12598406]

>>12598397
>shouting about how bad private industry is
Not at all, private industry can achieve a lot once handed the infrastructure they consider to have to long a RIO to build themselves .

[Anonymous No.12598407]

>>12598025
>>12598039
>>12598043
neva 4get

[Anonymous No.12598408]

>>12598358
>wah wah company can only do anything for direct profit
>let me ignore the glaring exception dominating the exact market i am talking about

[Anonymous No.12598414]

>>12598403
what's up with the green tint?

[Anonymous No.12598417]

>>12598414
its more blue in the real footage, just a shitty gif

[Anonymous No.12598425]

why does elon sometimes briefly follow random nobodies on twitter?

[Anonymous No.12598427]

>>12598400
that's why i said boosters and main engines
OMS and RCS aren't firing in that picture

[Anonymous No.12598428]

>>12598425
drugs

[Anonymous No.12598436]

>>12598403
Fuck Bekey, and fuck that cunt from the Bush administration who shot down the air force every time they wanted to take over the program

[Anonymous No.12598438]

>>12598425
Humans are known to engage in weird behaviour that is not directly related to attaining optimal efficiency in their primary function.

[Anonymous No.12598442]

>>12598390
I really don’t feel a need to, it’s just silly stuff, and you seem way to self important for me to feel good about encouraging that view. But sure
the age of exploration was funded entirely on mercantile interests seeking better trade routes and trading partners. This was often subsidized by governments which you often couldn’t separate from the mercantile interests, and at their most distant collected large taxes on this trade. the colonization of the americas took place before there was the kind of public/private split we have today, and was headed by minor aristocrats (among others) who sought to better their lot, and was funded again by mercantile interests. The policing of the seas was done by large navies who fought off piracy, and just as often engaged in some form of piracy against the trade interests of other nations, and we’re often supplemented by pirates, and frankly i don’t see any dangers of piracy in space in the short term and there is quite literally a space military/police organization being built right now. Like, do you think the sugar plantations in the Caribbean were built in the public trust? it’s not the fucking NHS.
>who built the ports
The early colonists, who were anything from minor aristocracy to mercenaries to literally-who indentured servants working to pay off debt to private interests who shipped them out to work (which was partially subsidized by the european governments to deal with early problems of crime, overpopulation, etc.)
more effort than you deserve.

[Anonymous No.12598454]

>>12598436
IKR and they solved all the fuel tank issues too. *sigh*
just remember that the linear aerospike got more burn time than the SLS engines ;) 4400seconds compared to 67s ;)

[Anonymous No.12598462]

>>12598358
Ever heard of the east india company?

[Anonymous No.12598480]

>>12598358
When SLS's RUDs and chad SpaceX takes us to the Stars are you going to OD on copium?

[Anonymous No.12598486]

>>12598390
>NASA does nothing for 50 years
>Musky boi with a few hundred mill mogs them in 10 years and continues to surpass them.

Ah yer space is hard private industry will never lead exploration /s

[Anonymous No.12598507]

>>12598408
>every Falcon 1 launch was brought by the government
>after Ratsat success got NASA funding
>Merlin got DoD funding

I could go on but all this is ignoring the fact the only reason there are people that know how to build orbital rockets for SpaceX to hire in the first place is government funded projects.
This is what I mean buy building infrastructure, it isn't all roads and bases but everything required to make an industry possible.

>>12598442
>funded entirely on mercantile interests
The Monarchs of Castile and Aragon funded Christopher Columbus, people that collected taxes and funded projects. We don't call them monarchs these days but I think something like this still exists.
>The policing of the seas was done by large navies
Who paid for those navies?
>there is quite literally a space military/police organization being built right now
Who is paying for that?
>do you think the sugar plantations in the Caribbean were built in the public trust
I think they were defended by navies, navies that also constructed most of the major trade ports before they were used for trade.

>>12598462
Good point, who protected those ships?

>>12598480
I fucking hate SLS, congress and most of NASA. I just know enough about business and history to know they aren't going to throw the kind of money space takes on the hope it pays off.
>but Musk
How much government funding has SpaceX got now? We can weight up his initial $90m to just the $1.6b he got for CRS if you can't be bothered adding it all up.

>>12598486
Musk has the drive he could very well, that said at this point the money he has put in s nothing compared to the funding he has gotten.

[Anonymous No.12598508]

With LauncherOne a success when does Virgin Orbit start launching OneWeb satellites? They could get OneWeb completed a lot faster if they launch a couple of satellites every few days from that 747.

[Anonymous No.12598516]

>>12598508
>if they launch a couple of satellites every few days from that 747.
the limit here is how fast virgin can build their disposable rocket. Apparently they can build 24 of them per year right now

[Anonymous No.12598519]

>>12598507
>it's only private if you never deal with governments at all
Are you trying to put your goalposts on Mars before SpaceX gets there too?

[Anonymous No.12598523]

>>12598507
>Musk has the drive he could very well, that said at this point the money he has put in s nothing compared to the funding he has gotten.

Quick google: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/13/nasa-estimates-having-spacex-and-boeing-build-spacecraft-for-astronauts-saved-up-to-30-billion.html#:~:text=Investing%20in%20Space-,NASA%20estimates%20having%20SpaceX%20and%20Boeing%20build%20spacecraft%20for,%2420%20billion%20to%20%2430%20billion

SpaceX has saved NASA significantly more than is has received. Who's have thought getting flights down from hundreds of millions to 60-90 million would save money???

Also who else is working on a Mars colony?, not some faggy flag planting exercise.

[Anonymous No.12598524]

>>12598507
>that said at this point the money he has put in s nothing compared to the funding he has gotten
Wow! Getting funding from providing results? That is almost unheard of!

[Anonymous No.12598526]

>>12598454
>IKR and they solved all the fuel tank issues too.
No, they switched to AL-Li tanks which would have been too heavy for Venture Star to reach orbit. The CFC tanks were even heavier than that because CFC sucks as a building material for anything more complex than a somewhat curved 2D shape.

[Anonymous No.12598527]

>>12598519
He'll just move them to the asteroid belt once they are on Mars.

[Anonymous No.12598531]

>>12598527
Fucking Belters.

[Anonymous No.12598536]

>>12598508
>>12598516
I love the fact Virgin of all companies beat BO to orbit.

>>12598519
>>12598523
>>12598524
Maybe I'm taking this the wrong way but I think you are all saying "yay free market" when the market is go far from free it would collapse without government funding.
That is my point.

[Anonymous No.12598537]

>>12598507
if your stupid retarded point is that “government funds private interests that will benefit the interests of the nations over all private enterprises” than yeah sure whatever, it’s an obvious point any retard agrees with
but let’s not forget this started because you were butthurt that someone pointed out that government bureaucracy was mishandling spaceflight and private industry wasn’t.
But you really are way to self important to be worth talking to. if i wanted to watch someone masturbate id be looking up onlyfans

[Anonymous No.12598539]

>>12598516
>Apparently they can build 24 of them per year right now
That's actually pretty impressive. If they do an IPO and get some funding they could crank out a lot more. Hopefully the rocket is designed to be easily mass produced.

[Anonymous No.12598544]

>>12598537
We saw governments build the first space stations so we'll just have to wait and see who builds the first off earth base.
I think it'll be governments.

[Anonymous No.12598549]

>>12598536
>Maybe I'm taking this the wrong way but I think you are all saying "yay free market" when the market is go far from free it would collapse without government funding.
That is a fair point, SpaceX would have never started without government assistance, but SpaceX dominates half of the non-government launches according to this report https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR4200/RR4251/RAND_RR4251.pdf on page 13. If SpaceX stopped receiving government funding now then it would still be able to fund its own projects.

[Anonymous No.12598554]

Wait a minute, are Virgin Orbit and Virgin Galactic two separate companies?

[Anonymous No.12598557]

>>12598523
>SpaceX has saved NASA significantly more than is has received
I'm not a part of this conversations at all, but I wanted to post this link in case anyone wishes to read more on this line of thinking: https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20170008895/downloads/20170008895.pdf

It's a comprehensive evaluation of NASA's COTS/CRS programs. It's a bit dense but it has some goodies in it like pic related, where the authors end up being surprisingly savage towards their own cost-plus approaches.

[Anonymous No.12598558]

>>12598554
yes but they're part of the virgin group

[Anonymous No.12598565]

>>12598549
>If SpaceX stopped receiving government funding now then it would still be able to fund its own projects
Once Starlink is up agree 100% but until then I'm not so sure, they started the first Falcon 1 with private funds and then got government funding for the rest. They had government funding from the start with Falcon 9, Falcon Heavy got a little DoD funding but not much and Starship got heaps of DoD funding early.
It's been awhile since they have been standing on their own.

[Anonymous No.12598566]

>>12598526
they ended up being lighter than the composite mate

[Anonymous No.12598567]

>>12598554
>>12598558
kinda weird how virgin GALACTIC is the suborbital one

[Anonymous No.12598570]

>>12598358
>Who paid for sailors to sail off the edge of the maps? Was it private industry expecting RIO or governments? When new lands were found who built the first ports? When those ports were attacked who provided the security forces?
Actually, the majority of colonization efforts (at least the British and Dutch ones) were primarily financed by private shareholders with approval from their governments. Pre-Revolution America was effectively founded by some of the first megacorps and protected by early PMCs.

[Anonymous No.12598576]

>>12598557
>authors end up being surprisingly savage towards their own cost-plus approaches
Good, outside of military / space I can't think of another industry that gets away with pushing back deadlines while increasing the price and it's treated as normal.
Sure lots of shit goes over time and over budget (I work large construction) but most of the time the companies causing delays are fined not paid more.

>>12598570
A pair of monarchs funded Columbus, you could argue that is private funding but as they collected taxes I would argue it wasn't.

[Anonymous No.12598579]

>>12598576
>A pair of monarchs funded Columbus
in service of finding trade routes

[Anonymous No.12598582]

>>12598576
>A pair of monarchs funded Columbus
has literally nothing to due with british and dutch colonies, or anything else anon pointed out, faggot

[Anonymous No.12598586]

https://twitter.com/newsfromorbit/status/1344872788184756224

how did I miss this one holy fuck lol

[Anonymous No.12598589]

>>12598507
>Good point, who protected those ships?
The east india company did. At one point the east india company had the largest war navy on earth.

[Anonymous No.12598592]

>>12598536
>the market is far from free
Yeah, no shit, and that has caused more disasters than successes. Sure, you can make the argument from obsessive ideological purity that it would be bad if you literally nuked public entities from existence and operated in a complete private vacuum that would have negative consequences, but that is obvious and not a response to anything anyone actually said.
If you take one step back and instead consider the role that governments should play in space for the maximum benefit to humanity, you might risk finding something worth talking about, like the fact that the state's ROI on seed capital and competitive contracts blows the everliving shit out of that of the status quo operation of simply pouring funds into an infinite hole of make-work projects which has dominated its operating margins for the last 50 years.

[Anonymous No.12598593]

>>12598586

[Anonymous No.12598594]

>>12598557
>pic

holy based, Boeing BTFO in spirit

[Anonymous No.12598595]

>Virgin might seriously possess the capability to get smallsats to other planets soon
>They plan on moving to Cornwall
Did- did we got too cocky US bros????

[Anonymous No.12598601]

>>12598593
What if you just got a Falcon Heavy, painted the core orange and the side boosters white? Would it be enough to trick congress into thinking it worked? They don't pay attention to this shit.

[Anonymous No.12598603]

>>12597287
Well of course, when has any JWST work been done on time?

[Anonymous No.12598605]

>>12598595
>that anon that was defending the british space industry might actually be right
america is finished.

[Anonymous No.12598607]

>>12598582
The crown funded Cook.
Sure once the East India company was up and running they funded a lot of exploration but that was after seeing navy ships returning fat with gold. It's easy to sell a company on doing something proven profitable, something that hasn't been done with moon / mars colonies.

>consider the role that governments should play in space for the maximum benefit to humanity
IMO pushing the edge, doing things that we don't know if they will work or pay off, taking the risks profit driven companies wont.
I agree they have festered into corrupt money holes and I think a big part of that is they haven't been forced to do anything new in a very long time.
This is why I think they should be building a rotating LEO station, a lunar orbit station and a lunar base.

[Anonymous No.12598609]

>>12598594
>In contrast, traditional "cost-plus" contracting is process driven, not results driven, paying for effort that may or may not be enough to achieve the goal.
>By way of analogy, in a firm fixed price contract NASA pays a person to mow the yard,
>whereas in a cost-plus contract NASA pays a person to TRY to mow the yard.

>...private sector customers.... can encourage operational affordability and reliability in a way that mere NASA operational guidance never could
yeah, it's pretty damning stuff

[Anonymous No.12598612]

>>12598603
Nigga this thing aint launching till at LEAST 2030 hahah

[Anonymous No.12598615]

>>12598607
Fug, second half meant for >>12598592

[Anonymous No.12598617]

>>12598601
probably. But I don't think elon would let them defile his rocket with their shitty color

[Anonymous No.12598618]

>>12598557
Are we posting oldspace BTFO goodness now?

[Anonymous No.12598620]

>>12598612
Whoa, slow down there, daredevil. Preliminary testing in the 2030's, *then* proposals for launching can be considered in the 2040's. One of those for sure will be picked by the 2050's.

[Anonymous No.12598623]

>>12598603
just launch a bunch of 1Ds into orbit and set those fuckers on timer, easy and affordable

[Anonymous No.12598625]

>>12598618
>boeing
>lowest

[Anonymous No.12598627]

>>12598625
>lowest
>Just like Starliner's orbit

[Anonymous No.12598638]

>>12597283
B A S E D
A
S
E
D

[Anonymous No.12598640]

>>12598605
>>12598595
>UK government Nationalizes Virgin
>launch hundreds of satellites into Mars orbit
>simply build bigger carrier jets to launch larger payloads
>first man on Mars is Norf
>Rule Britannia plays as His Majesties Virgin Navy patrols the inner solar system hunting down french privateers
>East Martian Trading Company ships hundreds of indentured workers to the asteroid mines via inter planetary missile fired from the 748 Maxx

[Anonymous No.12598643]

>>12598601
That qshaman guy should have entered congress in this attire. Would have saved murican taxpayers money by rendering shuttle supporters akin to terrorists.

[Anonymous No.12598647]

[Anonymous No.12598652]

>>12598607
>IMO pushing the edge, doing things that we don't know if they will work or pay off, taking the risks profit driven companies wont.
>This is why I think they should be building a rotating LEO station, a lunar orbit station and a lunar base.
I still don't think you really get it. What seems like a good, ambitious idea on the face of it, quickly becomes lost in mismanagement. "Let's build a lunar orbit station and get back to the Moon" is literally Artemis. Maybe it sounds great on paper, in practise it's in fucking shambles before clearing hurdle one. SpaceX will be on Mars before NASA is back on the moon and it won't even be close. The government does not have the organizational efficiency or will to do the things you think it should do. It has been vacillating between goals with every president, piling congressional law on top of its own suicidal mismanagement. Saying "oh but if you give it a good goal it'll all be good again" shows you have no fucking clue.

[Anonymous No.12598658]

>>12598566
No, the composite tanks ended up being heavier

[Anonymous No.12598659]

>>12597261
I'm sorry, what the fuck am I looking at here?

[Anonymous No.12598666]

>>12598659
Rocket Lab's rocket Electron in the factory.

[Anonymous No.12598670]

>>12598659
professional rocket art

[Anonymous No.12598673]

>>12598652
>"Let's build a lunar orbit station and get back to the Moon" is literally Artemis
No, SpaceX has proven more than capable of cheap LEO launches so there is no need for a new LV. I'm not talking about NASA doing all of it, I'm talking about them doing what they are (were maybe) good at, give them a new problem that has never been solved.
NASA design the station, companies put in a fixed price bid for construction, if it fails due to poor construction or has a significant price overrun that bidder is removed from the bidding on the next project.

I honestly think this approach would either solve the problem fast or scare enough useless cunts out of NASA that thought they had a cushy government job it would fix the problem eventually.

[Anonymous No.12598676]

>>12598647
That rocket is so tiny when you see it in person. Can’t believe we put a human on there.

[Anonymous No.12598683]

>>12598658
just how stoned are you right now, that's exactly what I said

[Anonymous No.12598705]

>>12598557
It comes in hot from the start.

[Anonymous No.12598711]

>>12598666
Why does it look like that, Satan?

[Anonymous No.12598721]

>>12597350
They can land the humans on a dragon as well.

[Anonymous No.12598726]

>>12598673
If your conclusion is NASA should leverage as much private cooperation as possible, eliminate cost plus, eliminate or minimize its role as a direct supervisor/project manager, and draw on competitive fixed price contracts that is a vision I would be inclined to agree with. That and providing seed capital to enable more newspace companies to bridge the significant funding gap between founding and operation which is the plague of aerospace is all I want out of NASA. Although it does baffle me that someone who might agree with all that would waste time complaining that private enterprise is incapable of risk or building infrastructure.

[Anonymous No.12598737]

>>12597350
Starship’s interior layout really isn’t that vital to its operation. Starship is a very fluid vehicle, and it seems like SpaceX is willing to configure individual variants for different jobs. You want a space station? Great, SpaceX will remove the “decks” and give it a giant open space. You want crew transport? Cool, the decks are now filled with chairs. You want more fuel in the tank? Great, SpaceX added a few rings to the tanks

[Anonymous No.12598742]

>>12598726
I honestly think he’s one of those weird “lefties” who thinks defending the government against private corporations is morally correct, since he talks like every weird DSA type with a passing interest in space

[Anonymous No.12598746]

>>12598705
>falcon 9 would have cost 4 billion if developed using cost-plus
>it actually cost 390 million. 300 million if you ignore falcon 1 dev
>a 13-fold reduction
>difference is so vast NASA doesn't even fully understand it
god damn

[Anonymous No.12598753]

Uh... SLS bros...

[Anonymous No.12598763]

>>12598753
Uh, can we get poggers in the chat?

[Anonymous No.12598764]

>>12598753
>complained last thread that they weren't moving fast enough on an offshore platform
>now this
I feel like Elon saw me trying not to shill for once and laughed his ass off

[Anonymous No.12598765]

>>12598753
was already called that. big nothingburger

[Anonymous No.12598775]

this is cool. I happened across a methane engine that NASA was experimenting with in 2006 or so. Some here probably already know about this but I had no idea that they were actually building and testing CH4 engines in the early 2000s.
https://youtu.be/UGGSFmEcoSE
https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2007/04may_methaneblast
http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?do=main.textpost&id=fc68db8e-1c18-4534-bd91-4a12125d801b
http://www.astronautix.com/x/xr5m15.html

[Anonymous No.12598784]

>>12598726
My point from the start was no private company is going to make a rotating LEO station or lunar base today (in 50 years space tourism might justify such a thing).
These are the things governments need to do while using everything available including private companies.
This is what I mean when I say "space infrastructure", kind of funny this was all a misunderstanding.
>private enterprise is incapable of risk or building infrastructure
I still think they are they aren't for the reasons stated above, I don't consider Starship a risk beyond maybe the 2nd stage can't be recovered at which point it would still be the cheapest heavy life by orders of magnitude.
To me a risk is something that might completely fail like a colony or manned interplanetary mission, not a rocket that might be more expensive than planned.

>>12598742
>thinks defending the government against private corporations is morally correct
Not even close, I just see people say "with spaceX why even keep NASA" and I worry that enough people will actually believe that to put NASA in danger long term.
I don't want NASA building rockets, they are shit at it but I also don't want to rely on a mission being profitable to happen. Hubble, JWST, Curiosity ect.
would have never happened if that was the case.
>DSA type
What s this?
>passing interest in space
I learnt how to build solid rockets here https://www.nakka-rocketry.net/

>>12598753
Please be legit.

[Anonymous No.12598786]

>>12598764
Any proof that Elon shitposts here?

[Anonymous No.12598791]

>>12598753
When bros?

[Anonymous No.12598795]

>>12598753
>>12598763
not convinced. The name "Deimos" appears to be very common in the oil industry.

https://www.ogj.com/general-interest/article/17248452/shell-proves-deimos-deepwater-discovery-in-mars-basin
https://www.offshore-technology.com/projects/deimos-offshore-field/
http://www.deimosenergy.com/

Retrofitting an old oil rig is a very spacex thing to do, but I'd have to see more evidence to believe that they're involved

[Anonymous No.12598796]

>>12598784
>My point from the start was no private company is going to make a rotating LEO station or lunar base today
You can literally just loft a bunch of inflata habs with Starship, chain them together in a circle and spin them up if Starship delivers on costs.

[Anonymous No.12598798]

>>12598786
Well there's this. I've literally never seen "Earth" misspelled that way outside of /sfg/.
https://twitter.com/search?q=%22urf%22%20from%3Aelonmusk&src=typed_query

[Anonymous No.12598800]

>>12598796
Yes, if Bigelow can make cheap 1g habs and spacex can get them to orbit that is great but without NASA no one is going to pay for it.

[Anonymous No.12598805]

>>12598796
Even just a large rigid pressure vessel is good

[Anonymous No.12598806]

>>12598721
The Starship would probably still need to aerobrake though to get into LEO. I question if it would have to fuel to do it propulsively. It would be easier to just wait until everything is ready than fly on a half-baked Starship.

[Anonymous No.12598809]

>>12598753
>putting any stock in this nsf guy's
"analysis"

[Anonymous No.12598811]

>>12598798
i’ll believe it when he leaks grimes’ nudes here.

[Anonymous No.12598815]

>>12598784
So SpaceX sticking to its mission statement and facilitating a Mars colony is something you see failing for some reason, or do you just have a blindspot for that?
Also, launch infrastructure is just that. Infrastructure. And SpaceX providing much of it.

[Anonymous No.12598821]

>>12598683
No, the Al-Li tanks were as heavy as they were going to be from the very start. It was the composite tanks that failed to reach the design goals and "ended up" heavier. It's a bit pedantic but putting emphasis on the Al-Li tanks being lighter leads to retards thinking that they were anything but woefully inadequate and having the mentally deficient opinion that venturestar was anything but a worthless piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.12598823]

What's the point of Virgin Orbit? Why are they flying on a passenger plane instead of launching from the ground like everyone else? They can't grow their business with larger rockets if they're committed to using a plane.

[Anonymous No.12598826]

>>12598823
Basically because Richard Branson is a huge fag who likes airplanes. Air launch has benefits for smallsats in cadence, weather resilience, and freedom of inclination.

[Anonymous No.12598827]

i have a question regarding nutrition from a spaceflight perspective, i also apreciate if its not from a spaceflight perspective but i mostly favour the spaceflight one:
Im a poorfag from poor country in which the cost of food is steadily rising. Im working out in an improvised home gym while on a cut. 173cm 92 kg 32yo

I wanted to know if the following diet is acceptable for at least a couple of months:

Day A:

Breakfast: 1 banana 1 apple and one extra fruit
50ml of skim milk with coffe

Lunch: 2 boiled eggs 1 tblspoon of olive oil and assorted greens (ocasionally a different vegetable)

Dinner: 300-400g chicken breast

Free mustard, tomatoes and knorr broth

Calorie total: 1200-1500

Day B: exactly the same only 50g of rice instead of chicken breast

Alternate Day A and B. Will this be too harsh on my organism if done for a couple of months? what major nutrient am i missingggg

[Anonymous No.12598828]

>>12598823
>What's the point of Virgin Orbit?
Do Pegasus but better
>Why are they flying on a passenger plane instead of launching from the ground like everyone else?
Plane launched rockets can launch from anywhere in the world which means alot to some

[Anonymous No.12598832]

>>12598603
It doesn’t “cost” anything, they just pocket their half a billion a year which keeps the same 2000 people employed for their whole career
Every new year adds another year to the delivery date
Clearly these people intend to retire without ever launching

25+ years they’ve worked on it!
All because they are old space animals obsessed with putting everything on one launch

[Anonymous No.12598834]

>>12598815
>So SpaceX sticking to its mission statement and facilitating a Mars colony is something you see failing for some reason
No, I think it's something they will make cheap enough for the government to fund or at least take legal responsibility for essentially passing the huge legal exposure and risk to a private business onto the government.
I still don't believe any business would expose themselves to that kind of risk in the current political and economic climate. Long gone are the days of putting pic related in the paper and having legal immunity for the family if it goes tits up.
>Also, launch infrastructure is just that. Infrastructure. And SpaceX providing much of it.
True, I was talking more about stations and bases but you are correct.

[Anonymous No.12598837]

>>12598832
>Wanting achievement
>In post 60's America
>In the federal government of post 60's America
Anon, I...

[Anonymous No.12598843]

>>12598705
>it is difficult to determine

Aka they don’t want to ruin their career by naming names

[Anonymous No.12598846]

>>12598823
funnily enough they may be the first commercial company to launch to another planet. Apparently they already have a contract in place to launch a probe to mars. Though they do need to finish dev on a 3rd stage to do this

[Anonymous No.12598851]

>>12598843
that or the numbers don't make sense because there's outright fraud going on

[Anonymous No.12598855]

>>12598827
Have you visited /fit/? This sounds more in their ballpark.

[Anonymous No.12598873]

>>12598851
Every price is going to be insane when you start funding middle men to do things rather than hiring an intern plus giving him some machine to make your own bolts

Or at every stage of the game reassessing “how can we do this cheaper?”

Do we need a factory? No it never gets cold, a tent is good enough, etc

[Anonymous No.12598883]

>>12598753
HOLY BASED

[Anonymous No.12598888]

>>12598557
Other technology programs in the government are starting to look at COTS as a blue print for how to invest in their fields too. It's seen as a huge success and they want to do it with fusion power too. Although it's a little dumb how "only pay companies for work they actually do" is somehow a new and exciting method of government contracting.

[Anonymous No.12598891]

>>12598753
>"Ah, shit they found us out. Now I can't smoke a fag on the job without being livestreamed on the internet."

[Anonymous No.12598894]

>>12598888
>Although it's a little dumb how "only pay companies for work they actually do" is somehow a new and exciting method of government contracting.
Your digits contain the answer as to why, giga-Hitler.

[Anonymous No.12598897]

>>12598753
The Starship program is literally in full gear right now

[Anonymous No.12598899]

>>12598753
Jack Beyer is an absolute egg-headed, microwave-brained, mouth-breathing retard. and estronaut is a onions parrot

[Anonymous No.12598903]

>>12598795
I'm inclined to agree, though Deimos would be a badass name for a launch platform.

[Anonymous No.12598905]

>>12598834
the shackleton ad is stupid fake lol

[Anonymous No.12598909]

>>12598888
that's great. Having a SpaceX equivalent in many fields would be massive. Especially fusion.

[Anonymous No.12598919]

Starship simply won't work. Don't bother replying to this post.

[Anonymous No.12598926]

>>12598909
Fusion has no possibility of profit do you can’t do better in it...

[Anonymous No.12598928]

>>12598919
True, space is hard and that's why we test.

[Anonymous No.12598935]

>NASA fiddles with Shuttle's cost per kg for CRS to make it seem better than it is
>still 3x Dragon

>>12598557
I'm enjoying this thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.12598948]

>>12598909
A SpaceX equivalent in spaceflight would be pretty cool too

[Anonymous No.12598949]

>>12598557
Hahahaha, they saw our shitposts about how expensive the shuttle is per kg CRS and actually thought "if only they knew how bad it really is".

[Anonymous No.12598951]

>>12598909
Zubrin talks about this, how there are now Fusion start-ups trying to use the SpaceX model.

[Anonymous No.12598953]

>>12598935
>"just" $170,000

[Anonymous No.12598955]

>>12598926
>You'll never land a rocket.

[Anonymous No.12598957]

>>12598949
Even SpaceX commercial costs to the ISS are a joke
Requiring ridiculously expensive meme capsules
Then after that some man rated capsule for personnel as if people are different from cargo

All they had to do is allow firm fixed price bidding on getting people or cargo to an airlock

[Anonymous No.12598959]

>>12598949
I wonder if Tory has seen pic related.

[Anonymous No.12598962]

Kek I like to think this is in response to that fake ywnbaw elon tweet some anon posted a couple threds back

[Anonymous No.12598965]

>>12598955
Landing a rocket is a very simple and easy thing compared to magnets that simply don’t exist

[Anonymous No.12598966]

>>12598442
Baesd effort poster

[Anonymous No.12598970]

>>12598601
Don't post that kind of pic. Elon might wanna try it.

[Anonymous No.12598978]

>>12598970
Good. Imagine that many F9s landing in sequence as they stage and fall to per-determined landing zones/barges.
No there's no reason to do something so ludicrous, but I don't care.

[Anonymous No.12598986]

>>12598965
Sheared-flow Z-pinch doesn't need superconductors.

[Anonymous No.12598991]

>>12598986
And you believe your meme z pinch fusion machine will produce power profitably compared to other power industries ?

And you believe the NRC won’t be up your ass to an insane extent? Fission is just a lump of metal heating itself up and that’s been banned for 50 years now

[Anonymous No.12598995]

>>12598962
>fake
It was real and this was his real response. Viv is Elon's little cuck boy and he will be the first to get a neuralink AI implant to turn him into a robot catgirl for pumping out new martian babies

[Anonymous No.12598999]

>>12598991
I believe it'll be fantastic as a rocket engine with high thrust and specific impulse. Power generation is almost besides the point, although I suppose you could attach them to MHD generators.

[Anonymous No.12599001]

>>12598962
Elon will probably fuck her when he’s moved on from his current baby momma. man is like a stereotype of tech millionaire womanizers

[Anonymous No.12599002]

Hey you- got 2:30 to spare? Watch this Challenger documentary. Best one I’ve seen
https://youtu.be/3NdlIiDiCZ4

[Anonymous No.12599006]

>>12598683
He's saying that the engineers knew that they needed the tanks to be X mass per unit volume contained, and AL-Li was going to be X+5 mass units per volume. So, they tried composites, but they turned out to be even worse at X+10 units. At no point did the engineers come up with a structure that could reach the target goal for mass to volume ratio.

[Anonymous No.12599011]

>>12599002
>2 minutes 30 seconds
yes
>2 hours 30 minutes
no

[Anonymous No.12599013]

>>12599011
I will watch it later though, I added it to my /sfg/ playlist

[Anonymous No.12599014]

>>12599006
VentureStar was doomed from the start. Until we invent nuclear ramjets SSTO will always suck

[Anonymous No.12599020]

>>12599002
There are so many documentaries about Challenger. I wonder what brings people back to keep producing them.

[Anonymous No.12599021]

>>12599020
It was the 9/11 of spaceflight

[Anonymous No.12599024]

>>12599011
>>12599013
Not the anon that posted but another that has seen it, it's well worth the watch for the threats, politics and attempted cover-up.
>you are the head of the investigation but I can't talk to you because of ITAR
>oh you have top level security clearance from working on nuclear bombs?
>that is the military, doesn't mean anything in civilian NASA

[Anonymous No.12599025]

I'm looking for a von Braun documentary drama that I watched ages ago. It covered von Braun making V2s and included the Tom Lehrer song.

[Anonymous No.12599029]

>>12599024
What the fuuuuuuck

[Anonymous No.12599030]

>>12599020
It’s pretty much the go-to case study for aerospace engineering ethics discussions, so that may have something to do with it.

[Anonymous No.12599031]

>>12599021
It also killed Shuttle-Centaur and military interest in the Shuttle, thus making the whole thing a waste of time other than the rare satellite truck / ISS construction mission.

[Anonymous No.12599033]

>>12599031
It also killed the image of NASA being an organization of near mythical engineers

[Anonymous No.12599038]

>>12599025
anime elon

[Anonymous No.12599045]

Remember when everyone said the hopper was just a water tower?

[Anonymous No.12599047]

>>12598670
But Cagalli is crying.

[Anonymous No.12599052]

>>12599045
That’s great, I’d never seen all those posts before.

[Anonymous No.12599053]

>>12599020
>>12599021
What about Columbia?

>>12599024
>>12599029
The story of how the Rogers Commission learned about the O-rings is pretty cool and involved 4D chess.
>Be Sally Ride
>Find out about the O-ring problem
>Can't just reveal this to the comission because it will just get shot down
>missionimpossible.mp3
>Walking down the backdoor hallways with General Kutyna
>Shake his hand and hand him a note about the O-rings in his palm
>Walk off like a badass

>Be Kutyna
>Realise that the comission will only listen to the wildcard Richard Feynman
>Invite him over to dinner that night
>Bring him into your garage and show off your Chevrolet
>"Whenever I start it on cold mornings the gaskets don't seem to seal properly."
>Feynman stares on
>mindblown.jpg
>"I'VE GOT TO GO."
>Does the O-ring demonstration on live television and shocks the world

And the rest was history

[Anonymous No.12599057]

>>12599002
Reminder that after Challenger they did not change the O ring design

[Anonymous No.12599058]

>>12599053
Columbia was so clear from the start they couldn't even attempt to cover it up so it makes a less interesting story.

[Anonymous No.12599062]

>>12599057
They just started listening when the engineers said they were outside launch perimeters.

[Anonymous No.12599064]

>>12598753
laaaaaaaaaame

[Anonymous No.12599070]

>>12599053
kino if true

[Anonymous No.12599072]

>>12599021

[Anonymous No.12599075]

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1351361922218799105
Starlink delayed to Wednesday

[Anonymous No.12599076]

>>12599075
can the industry stop scrubbing for weeks on end?

[Anonymous No.12599077]

>>12599075
Son of a BITCH

[Anonymous No.12599078]

>>12599001
>her
Elon wants the things he fucks to produce children

[Anonymous No.12599081]

>>12599072
kek

[Anonymous No.12599084]

>>12599075

[Anonymous No.12599086]

>>12599075

[Anonymous No.12599087]

>>12599075
>https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1351361922218799105
SEEKING MORE TIME TO CONDUCT NECESSARY INSPECTIONS BEFORE FLIGHT
IT HAS BEEN DECIDED BY THE SENATE THAT TOMMOROWS STARLINK LAUNCH WILL BE DELAYED TO WEDNESDAY JANUARY 20 AT 0802 EASTERN TIME

THIS LAUNCH UPDATE HAS BEEN PROVIDED BY TESLA AUTOMOTIVES
TRUE AMERICAN CARS FOR TRUE AMERICANS

[Anonymous No.12599089]

>>12599045
I remember when Starliner tried to mimic it

[Anonymous No.12599092]

https://twitter.com/thejackbeyer/status/1351360399006904323
There's a crane type in common between that oil rig and a SpaceX job listing. Not sure how common that crane is though.

[Anonymous No.12599096]

>>12599087
These memes are all from HBO's Rome right? Is it worth watching?

[Anonymous No.12599097]

>>12599075

[Anonymous No.12599100]

>>12599087
I love you

[Anonymous No.12599102]

>>12599089
>Hey Siri, pull up images of "pathetic" for me

[Anonymous No.12599105]

>>12599087
You know, delay news doesn't seem so bad when delivered like this

[Anonymous No.12599107]

>>12599097
Newspace quaking in their little moonboots

[Anonymous No.12599111]

>>12599096
Yes, top tier TV series.

[Anonymous No.12599113]

>>12599087
Oh well, at least my new monitor and cpu should be arriving today/tomorrow, so I'll have something to occupy me. Can't wait for my 34" ultrawide.

[Anonymous No.12599114]

>>12599111
Trips of truth

[Anonymous No.12599118]

>>12598949
wow

[Anonymous No.12599121]

>>12599078
he probably has had a few cocksleeves he didn’t impregnate, anon

[Anonymous No.12599123]

>>12599092
interesting

[Anonymous No.12599127]

>>12598949
>with errors like these such analysis are incorrect
>Though “not even wrong” might also apply

[Anonymous No.12599133]

>>12599107
What's the date on this render?

[Anonymous No.12599137]

>>12599133
2013 BC

[Anonymous No.12599139]

>>12599133
>>12599107
Earliest post of that I can find is 2013, earlier uses this worse quality, Saturn paint scheme render on the same background in the same position

[Anonymous No.12599142]

>>12598753
>>12599092
>>12599123
How long would it take to make it ready to handle a launch? There's alot of piping on that thing.

[Anonymous No.12599144]

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna49610066
>NASA is contemplating space journeys far beyond a near-Earth asteroid, the moon or Mars for its new heavy-lift rocket in development. The Space Launch System (SLS), as it is called, could instead visit the moon of Pluto or return samples from other outer planets
>An unmanned flyby mission to Pluto's Charon, sample return missions to Jupiter's moon Europa or Saturn's Titan, or a sample-gathering flight through Jupiter's atmosphere or the ice water jets of Saturn's Enceladus — all are said to be possible with the 286,000-pound (130,000 kilograms) launch capabilities of theSpace Launch System.
>Thefirst launch of SLSis planned for 2017, but it will not have an upper stage and will be able to put only 154,000 pounds (70,000 kg) into low-Earth orbit. Beginning in 2022, however, the rocket is expected to have more powerful boosters and an upper stage to give it an ability to deliver 286,000 pounds to Earth orbit.
>As well as missions to the outer planets, the SLS could launch space telescopes that operate at the thermally stable second sun-Earth Lagrange point, a spot in space where gravity from the sun and Earth balance each other out. Designed to observe ultraviolet, visible and near-infrared light, these space telescopes would use huge mirrors with diameters from about 24 feet to 52 feet (16 meters). A 52-foot mirror telescope could find and characterize alien planets around other stars.

[Anonymous No.12599145]

>>12599142
The helipad would already be big enough and able to take the weight at landing, question is are they that accurate and are they planning to refuel and fly it off the rig or just crane it onto one of the drone ships.

[Anonymous No.12599146]

>>12599144
>i’ll take articles that aged like milk for 2000, Alex

[Anonymous No.12599149]

>>12599145
The real issue is setting up the flame diverter and deluge system. The last thing they want is rocket exhaust damaging the structural integrity of the platform.

[Anonymous No.12599150]

When did we start seeing the LOX distiller? Post some early pics of it.

[Anonymous No.12599151]

>>12599139
>>12599144
This kills the Saturn V Anon

[Anonymous No.12599154]

I've been reading a bit about interferometers and I was wondering. Would it be possible to make Xbox hueg space-based interferometer arrays tens of thousands of kilometres in dimension to take high res images of nearby extrasolar planets? Or of basically anything in the solar system to sub-centimetre resolutions?

[Anonymous No.12599156]

>>12599002
FUCK William Rogers

[Anonymous No.12599157]

>>12599144
>let's do a flyby mission to charon
>you want to take some pictures of pluto too while you're at it?
>nah, just charon

[Anonymous No.12599162]

>>12599154
gravity lens is better

[Anonymous No.12599163]

>>12599157
>Charon still a moon
>pluto not a planet
bee tee eff oh

[Anonymous No.12599167]

>>12599144
What a bunch of assholes.

[Anonymous No.12599171]

>>12599150
last week I think. It's very new

[Anonymous No.12599176]

>>12599144

[Anonymous No.12599180]

>>12599176
>wait a minute, it's all lies?!
>always was

[Anonymous No.12599183]

>>12599171
>I thought so much of Boca Chica that I elected to establish my administration here, in the citadel so thoughtfully provided by our benefactors.

[Anonymous No.12599184]

>>12599157
Hahah

[Anonymous No.12599185]

>>12599089
What are they testing here?

[Anonymous No.12599187]

>>12599185
Everyone's patience.

[Anonymous No.12599190]

>>12599185
NASA's checkbook

[Anonymous No.12599192]

>>12599171
Pick up that can, worker.

[Anonymous No.12599217]

>>12599014
We could do a SSTO orion drive right now with modern technology.

[Anonymous No.12599219]

>>12599002
crazy in the doc when Cook is talking about being asked if he leaked the details to the NYT, and he said no- then the dude was like 'we're looking for that asshole' or whatever
Cook called it the crossing the rubicon moment

[Anonymous No.12599223]

>>12599171
I wonder where it's from. It looks like it was either shipped in from elsewhere or secretly built in the tents because it kind of popped up out of nowhere.

[Anonymous No.12599229]

Fuck SpaceX
Fuck Elon Musk
Fuck NewSpace Shills

Congress loves SLS and there is nothing you can do to kill our beloved orange rocket.

[Anonymous No.12599231]

12599229
no (you)

[Anonymous No.12599232]

>>12598935
I new Cygnus was expensive but twice SpaceX is bad

[Anonymous No.12599233]

>>12599229
Every single member of congress could have a simultaneous aneurysm and it would get the most useful thing they've done in decades.

[Anonymous No.12599238]

Anons, let’s try to be realistic and fair about this:
What are the odds that they go through with the SLS launch - and what are the odds that it fails catastrophically?

[Anonymous No.12599244]

>>12599123
Do you all remember the supposed Space X insider claiming Musk had a ship in broad day light that hasn't been found yet. Might have been a year ago now.

[Anonymous No.12599245]

>>12599229
I will be posting this screenshot when SLS an hero's on its maiden voyage

[Anonymous No.12599246]

>>12599238
I wouldn't hazard a guess at the odds but it might be wise to launch on the 4th of July.

[Anonymous No.12599247]

>>12599238
100% it's going to eviscerate on its first flight. I'm not even joking anymore; SLS is such a piece of shit I have no confidence for it whatsoever

[Anonymous No.12599252]

>>12599238
Launches perfectly into the ground

[Anonymous No.12599257]

>change engines to be expendable
>can’t even fucking test them properly anymore

NASA is a joke

[Anonymous No.12599259]

>>12599252
Abort to lithosphere
>>12599246
Savage hahah

[Anonymous No.12599263]

>>12599238
They already admitted that they are not doing multiple integration tests between Orion and Orangetank because of time constraints.
It has an unironically high chance of failure right now.

[Anonymous No.12599268]

>>12599244
very vaguely remember this. But I don't recall the exact wording

[Anonymous No.12599270]

>>12599238
We had a poll but it got deleted so here's a new one
https://www.strawpoll.me/42471312

[Anonymous No.12599272]

>>12599238
>they push the launch back too far because of unforeseen MCFs
>booster turns into a radial flamethrower

[Anonymous No.12599274]

>>12599244
yes, I know the reddit username too

[Anonymous No.12599282]

>>12599192
kek instantly what I thought as well

[Anonymous No.12599288]

>>12599244
I found this:
>There were deleted posts on reddit a while back from an employee saying ASoG will be substantially different than previous droneships - seemingly capable of landing Starship. Also that if we knew where to look, we could spot it.
https://old.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/j4zqb7/_/g7ooaxt/

[Anonymous No.12599305]

>>12599238
SLS will prevail.

[Anonymous No.12599310]

>>12599244
>>12599274
>>12599288
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39766.2700

[Anonymous No.12599316]

>>12599123

[Anonymous No.12599319]

>>12599316
These people are seriously like, dangerously autistic

[Anonymous No.12599343]

>>12599316
Well if national parks won’t give them permission to expand around boca chica and if FAA jews are assholes forcing flight halts for no reason
Then launching a mile off the coast sounds good

Especially if they are serious about point to point flights happening soonish

[Anonymous No.12599344]

>>12599319
These are the people who SHOULD be in the CIA, and not glowies

[Anonymous No.12599345]

>>12599270
Post results

[Anonymous No.12599353]

>>12599319
Why doesn't /sfg/ have weaponised autism capabilities? Step it up faggots.

[Anonymous No.12599358]

>>12599183
KEK

[Anonymous No.12599362]

>>12599353
My autism maxes out being able to recognize what engines are used in "for all mankind"

[Anonymous No.12599364]

>>12599353
have you seen the concept rockets posted here

that NUCLEAR SEA DRAGON

we got plenty

[Anonymous No.12599368]

>>12599353
Dude, have you NOT seen the nuclear torch SRB concept some batshit insane motherfucker cooked up here?

[Anonymous No.12599387]

>>12599183
Amazing

[Anonymous No.12599394]

>>12599368
He even named it after Lancer Artoria's spear from F/GO.

[Anonymous No.12599406]

Challenger is an important reminder. Present your data properly.

[Anonymous No.12599407]

>>12599406
(pic is about Columbia, but Tufte talks about Challenger too)

[Anonymous No.12599411]

>>12599353
You obviously haven’t seen the engine designed by anon that runs on ClF3 among other things.

[Anonymous No.12599415]

[Anonymous No.12599418]

>>12599415
prior page. First few paragraphs are important

[Anonymous No.12599426]

>>12599415
>>12599418
What I’ve never understood is WHY does a solid rocket booster have a fucking o ring seal on a hole in its side in the first place?

[Anonymous No.12599430]

>>12599426
because Thiokol couldn't transport them in one piece on highways. That's literally it.

[Anonymous No.12599433]

>>12599430
>>12599426
(thus the segmented design that is)

[Anonymous No.12599439]

>>12599430
>>12599433
Oh so it’s a retarded design choice imposed because they are manufactured in Utah

[Anonymous No.12599441]

>>12599439
Politics.
Gotta spread them government jobs out to different constituencies.

[Anonymous No.12599453]

>>12599441
And I assume it can’t be welded together because it’s an SRB
What an over engineered disaster

[Anonymous No.12599457]

>>12599453
Welding would be a Very Bad Idea, yes.

[Anonymous No.12599464]

>>12598959
why does USA talk so much game about this when their flight rate is so low (and always will be)

[Anonymous No.12599470]

>>12599464
Post your backyard rocket

[Anonymous No.12599482]

NASA is so fucking retarded

[Anonymous No.12599496]

Redpill/blackpill me on Shuttle-C. Would it have been good if it was built 20 years ago instead of Constellation/SLS?

[Anonymous No.12599498]

You guys seen this A-grade tier schizo who breaks into Elons estate and wanders around the ground rambling to himself? Lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_FiNK17Clg&ab_channel=SavageAudits

[Anonymous No.12599504]

>>12599229
you cant post here wtf noooo stop stop STOP STOP KILL KILL KILL

[Anonymous No.12599505]

>>12599411
TONIGHT ON /SFG/
BIG JIM SITS IN A CHAIR
SOME KIWIS OUTPEFORM NASA
AND I TRIP OVER A MARTIAN ROVER

[Anonymous No.12599506]

so if a micro meterorite strikes 3 or 4mm skin does it just pop :I

[Anonymous No.12599507]

>>12599496
Anon, any vessel that runs hydrolox at sea level is a huge blackpill. In fact, anything built post-skylab is just one big blackpill

[Anonymous No.12599508]

>>12599498
god damn he actually is crazy. He linked news articles about himself in the description
>Video: Black Conservative In San Francisco Shouts “White Lives Matter” While Confronting Liberals
same dude apparently

[Anonymous No.12599511]

>>12599464
>>12599470
Whoops I meant ULA

[Anonymous No.12599512]

>>12599498
Wtf, this man genuinely needs a psychiatric ward. And, at the very least, a very heavy restraining order

[Anonymous No.12599515]

>>12599498
It's embarrassing living on the same planet where people actually fall for the memes like this.
I hope Musk has some darn good security.

[Anonymous No.12599517]

>>12599512
He is how I imagine 99% of the people in the labpadre chat

[Anonymous No.12599518]

>>12599498
Hory shet

[Anonymous No.12599526]

Thank You Jim Bridenstine

[Anonymous No.12599527]

ya'll remember the schizo who trespassed at Boca and took the pics up hopper's skirt? he then proceeded to plug his whisky brand. lots of crazy people out there

[Anonymous No.12599529]

>>12599498
CEO of /sfg/

[Anonymous No.12599531]

>>12599498
>Elon lives in swamp
lol

[Anonymous No.12599532]

>>12599527
No, how the fuck did I miss that? Is there a link to the stream?

>>12599529
Second

[Anonymous No.12599533]

>>12599527
>SpaceX scientist holds the range safety officer back
>Whiskey man gets BRAAAAAAAAAAAP'd to death

[Anonymous No.12599534]

>>12599532
he just posted like 4 pics on Facebook

[Anonymous No.12599536]

what's going on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXFgm58RzNA

[Anonymous No.12599539]

>>12599536
dopaminergic neurons out of whack

[Anonymous No.12599541]

>>12599536
Holy fuck, where is he right now? I'm not even kidding, if this dude has a gun we should probably call the authorities

[Anonymous No.12599542]

>>12599498
>>12599512
He’s no threat because he’s actually retarded
>wandering around compound stomping about in blue gear talking at normal volume
>WOAH GUIZ I THINK ITS SECURITY OH POG
>*loudly slides into hiding place with reflective camera not hidden at all*
>Guys they totally have motion sensor here
>woah that solar array is clearly here powering some high tech security system
>Mountain lion kill guys holy sh*t!
bonus round
>First video on his channel is about a “breasty woman”

[Anonymous No.12599544]

>>12599536
owning libtards #WLM (apparently)

[Anonymous No.12599545]

>>12599536
Advanced level schizoposting

[Anonymous No.12599546]

>>12599536
Holy shit anon you just found a fucking gold mine. He is a Qtard anti covid boomer with legit schizophrenia

[Anonymous No.12599548]

>>12599536
Are we watching some schizo breaking into Elon's property?

[Anonymous No.12599547]

>>12599536
>WooOOooAH Hold on!
>Blackberry bramble sticking me in the fucking ankle

[Anonymous No.12599549]

>>12599542
His youtube chat is hilarious right now

[Anonymous No.12599551]

>>12599541
i think its in cali looks like he's wandering around an industrial site? cant tell because you cant see shit.

[Anonymous No.12599557]

>>12599551
he is on a personal crusade against a whole lot of stuff who knows. in the past he has seized homeless folk's knives because they're illegal? These people turn into Tarrants sometimes... sure is worrying

[Anonymous No.12599558]

>>12599549
which one of you faggots told him to watch out for joggers? i had a fucking spit take

[Anonymous No.12599559]

oh he's just looking for illegal immigrants

[Anonymous No.12599560]

Ok I'm sorry but this thumbnail actually made me laugh out loud. holy fuck lmao

[Anonymous No.12599564]

Anon how deep into youtube did you go to find this crazy shit?

[Anonymous No.12599566]

>>12599559
'just'

[Anonymous No.12599568]

>>12599070
https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/a18616/an-oral-history-of-the-space-shuttle-challenger-disaster/
It's real
>One day [early in the investigation] Sally Ride and I were walking together. She was on my right side and was looking straight ahead. She opened up her notebook and with her left hand, still looking straight ahead, gave me a piece of paper. Didn't say a single word. I look at the piece of paper. It's a NASA document. It's got two columns on it. The first column is temperature, the second column is resiliency of O-rings as a function of temperature. It shows that they get stiff when it gets cold. Sally and I were really good buddies. She figured she could trust me to give me that piece of paper and not implicate her or the people at NASA who gave it to her, because they could all get fired. I wondered how I could introduce this information Sally had given me. So I had Feynman at my house for dinner. I have a 1973 Opel GT, a really cute car. We went out to the garage, and I'm bragging about the car, but he could care less about cars. I had taken the carburetor out. And Feynman said, "What's this?" And I said, "Oh, just a carburetor. I'm cleaning it." Then I said, "Professor, these carburetors have O-rings in them. And when it gets cold, they leak. Do you suppose that has anything to do with our situation?" He did not say a word. We finished the night, and the next Tuesday, at the first public meeting, is when he did his O-ring demonstration ... I never talked with Sally about it later ... I kept it a secret that she had given me that piece of paper until she died [in 2012].

[Anonymous No.12599581]

>>12599498
>>12599498
wut

[Anonymous No.12599584]

>>12599564
There's a thread on /pol/ for the schizo livestream. Didn't want to advertise that and just linked the relevant Elon schizo video.

[Anonymous No.12599589]

>>12599584
No, no I appreciate it. This has me hooked lmao

[Anonymous No.12599597]

>>12599498
>Estronaut in a car crash
>Elon's estate got broken into
This is obviously a targeted attack from Old Space, guys.

[Anonymous No.12599605]

>>12599597
The efficiency certainly matches the profile.

[Anonymous No.12599609]

>>12599605
lmao

[Anonymous No.12599615]

>>12599605
Oof

[Anonymous No.12599618]

>>12599605
based

[Anonymous No.12599639]

>>12599559
It all makes sense now! Elon has a den of illegal immigrants in his basement. He's been breeding them for cheap labour for the Boca Chica site and conditioning them on 24 hours of non-stop mariachi music.

[Anonymous No.12599654]

>>12599418
>53 degrees
Oh no! I might maybe consider putting on a jacket. Also our rocket is going to explode because we only test our hardware in climate controlled clean rooms.
How were the Russians not laughing their ass off at this.

[Anonymous No.12599667]

>>12599368
you got the image? forgot to save it when i first saw it.

[Anonymous No.12599685]

>>12599667

[Anonymous No.12599708]

>>12599527
>>12599532
I only saved this. I remember there being COPVs and shit just lying on the ground.

[Anonymous No.12599713]

>>12599708
The pics were gnarly. It’s amazing how close Hoppy came to crashing

[Anonymous No.12599716]

>>12599708
Damn that shit is FUCKED

[Anonymous No.12599740]

Hello, my name is Jeff Foust. I will be your new NASA administrator

[Anonymous No.12599768]

IT'S CONFIRMED

[Anonymous No.12599773]

>>12599768
>literally who Twitter nigger

Gonna need more than that chief.

[Anonymous No.12599774]

>>12599768
BRO WOOOAT???

[Anonymous No.12599778]

>>12599708
can't they just mount some shield there to protect the rest from fire?

[Anonymous No.12599781]

>>12599773
>>12599768
it's NSF, very likely true. i'm looking up the ships og names now

[Anonymous No.12599783]

>>12599773
he's the retarded sounding guy on all the NSF streams. he does this for a living

[Anonymous No.12599790]

>>12599768
>>12599773
>Known as "ENSCO 8500," owner Valaris filed for bankruptcy in Aug 2020 and sold this rig in Q3. It has been in Port of Brownsville since at least 2016.

[Anonymous No.12599791]

>>12599768
inb4 SpaceX puts landers on Phobos and Deimos before Gateway is built

[Anonymous No.12599797]

Remember that time a Boca Chica worker posted photos here of close-ups of some of the early prototypes and quickly deleted them?

[Anonymous No.12599799]

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:753950/mmsi:636013222/imo:8768787/vessel:ENSCO_8500

>ENSCO 8500
>DESTINATION
>BROWNSVILLE, TEXAS

[Anonymous No.12599800]

Chinese launch in 7 hours

[Anonymous No.12599801]

>>12599768
>>12599790
here's the whole thread. the rigs names were changed in September as well
https://twitter.com/nextspaceflight/status/1351442201134264321?s=19

[Anonymous No.12599804]

you think it could hold two rockets?

[Anonymous No.12599806]

>>12599801
>Republic of Liberia

Must have been a nice cheap one lmao.

[Anonymous No.12599808]

>>12599768

[Anonymous No.12599811]

>>12599808
What's Lone Star have to do with anything?

[Anonymous No.12599812]

>>12599806
3.5 million apiece

[Anonymous No.12599814]

>>12599804
Again, only one hardpoint because 747 came with that from the factory so they could carry spare engines on it in a cost efficient manner.

[Anonymous No.12599815]

>>12599812

Geez, that's fucking scrap costs.

[Anonymous No.12599817]

>>12599811

[Anonymous No.12599819]

>>12599817
Oh. You think they'll rename Lone Star?

[Anonymous No.12599823]

>>12599812
wtf?? that's practically for fuckin free

[Anonymous No.12599825]

>>12599819
No idea, developing story though

[Anonymous No.12599826]

>>12599812
And they still, float?...

[Anonymous No.12599827]

>>12599819
They probably named it that bc if the seller knew it was spacex they wouldnt be paying dirt cheap for em

[Anonymous No.12599835]

>>12598069
>SLS is terrible! Those RS-25s belong in a museum
>Launch a Saturn V instead

[Anonymous No.12599838]

>>12597912
if you know you know

[Anonymous No.12599846]

>>12599838
Shouldnt there be an explosion on the right side?

[Anonymous No.12599848]

>I found that Lone Star Mineral Development LLC has 1 principal on the record, he is Bret Johnsen (source: https://bizapedia.com/tx/lone-star-mineral-development-llc.html))
>Apparently Bret is CFO & President of Strategic Acquisitions Group at SpaceX according to his LinkedIn page (https://linkedin.com/in/bret-johnsen-1795126/))
https://twitter.com/KhaledZoubi/status/1351457180633985025

[Anonymous No.12599851]

>>12599848
triple confirmed, doubters BTFO

[Anonymous No.12599863]

>>12599848
Based /biz/nessman

[Anonymous No.12599870]

>>12599826
Semi-submersibles. I've worked on building a similar one, much earlier though. They float like a motherfucker.

[Anonymous No.12599873]

>>12597603

[Anonymous No.12599874]

>>12599826
Yes, they all float, down here...

[Anonymous No.12599876]

Someone posted earlier on NSF that the buyer (Lone Star?) has the option of buying more ENSCO8500 platforms, though as far as they can tell, only 7 were built.
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=52841.msg2180373#msg2180373

[Anonymous No.12599882]

>>12599812
>3.5m for a multi hundred million dollar drilling platform

I dread to think what condition they are in.

[Anonymous No.12599888]

I want to drive around in a motorboat on the surface of Titan powered by glorious american petrol

[Anonymous No.12599894]

>>12599882
Honestly, not the worst. If they're from africa, if they were operational, they were serviced by people from developed countries. They may not have been serviced in a while, but they weren't wrecked by niggers, at least.

[Anonymous No.12599906]

>>12599894
I'll take your word for it based teibou poster

[Anonymous No.12599910]

>>12599819
SpaceX/Elon owns a fuck load of subsidies under random inconspicuous names, probably to make their activities harder to track and like the other anon said, preventing sellers and contractors from price gauging if they know they are SpaceX.

[Anonymous No.12599911]

>>12599906
nah im not a teibou poster I'm a demon core poster. I don't know any of the animes these pics come from lol

[Anonymous No.12599915]

>>12599911
baaaaased

[Anonymous No.12599921]

>>12599819
>>12599827
All according to keikaku

[Anonymous No.12599927]

>>12599911
Opinion retracted, do not post my 2d fishing waifus without permission.

[Anonymous No.12599928]

>>12599921
>white star but in space

[Anonymous No.12599929]

>>12599911
Dangerously based

[Anonymous No.12599941]

>>12599882
Very simple reason..oil market collapsing...

[Anonymous No.12599949]

>>12599882
I suppose SpaceX only needs that they float, they'll do the rest themselves

[Anonymous No.12599964]

>>12599911
based

[Anonymous No.12599982]

Pointing out that Hullo had access to the private Virgin stream. Did other people leak passwords or did he perhaps get it from here?

[Anonymous No.12599990]

new thread
>>12599986

[Anonymous No.12599992]

>>12599990
>Page 9
Kys

[Anonymous No.12599995]

>>12599999
>>12600000

[Anonymous No.12600143]

>>12599806
nah that's just the registry iirc

[Anonymous No.12600146]

>>12599811
asteroid mining

[Anonymous No.12600165]

>>12598798
Personally it'll take more convincing than that.
I think it's much more likely that he happened to independently think up that nickname for Earth while trying to do memespeak of some sort.

[Anonymous No.12600249]

>>12598209
i don't think you realize that SpaceX DOES have plans to extend it already anon. the first mars mission will be to set up the early base and refueling plants.

[Anonymous No.12600278]

>>12600249
I fully expect them to send starships full of repair parts, too. Maybe even some spare crew variants in case the primary crewed ships run into trouble.

[Anonymous No.12600294]

>>12599982
when something leaks it never stays on one part of the internet for long. The password quickly found its way to twitter, and probably reddit

>>12599910
yeah spacex is gonna be pissed if they start getting price gouged because of nsf reporting

>>12599804
maybe if they could develop a new mount that can carry two or more. But they're only ever going to be mounted on that one wing.

>>12599882
looks like it's gonna take a lot of work

[Anonymous No.12600303]

>>12599121
Not everybody is gay like you, anon