/csg/ - Computer Science General

[Anonymous No.12545980]

Original thread:>>>/g/79515297

This thread is for those that aren't interested in taking shortcuts in learning how to program and want to eventually be able to solve interesting and potentially difficult problems down their career
SICP STUDY GROUP information at bottom of post

Guides:
https://teachyourselfcs.com/
https://github.com/ossu/computer-science

The first link recommends SICP as an entry, but most /g/entoomen don't know calculus (go figure). In that case, I'd recommend How to Design Programs. Before you complain, read:
http://cs.brown.edu/~sk/Publications/Papers/Published/fffk-htdp-vs-sicp-journal/

Free books:
https://b-ok.cc/
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/

Not sure if programming is for you? Try:
https://b-ok.cc/book/3411055/2856c4
Word of warning though, that book has a new edition coming out in a few days. You can wait to buy it, or hope that someone uploads it.

SICP STUDY GROUP INFORMATION
See everyone next week for thread #1.1.2, where we run through SICP chapters 1 and 2 as a board while everyone else talking about grokking algorithms and debating Stewart vs Apostol vs Spivak

SICP start day: 11 January
SICP end day: 8 February

http://www.strawpoll.me/42389666

These threads will be about more than just SICP of course, and we may end up doing two separate books for two separate groups, depending on how the poll ends up.

Remember, you don't need to be a computer scientist to be a good programmer, but it sure does help

[分かりません !!Tfq3QaHoS4a No.12545988]

>>12545980
Oh yeah, trips. Last post for the night

[Anonymous No.12546047]

Why not include Openstax.org as an Algebra->Precalculus->Calculus resource?
It's the brainlet filter par excellence.

[Anonymous No.12546463]

>>12545980
Recommend me the best algorithms and data structures book you can think of. Because I want to get good at competitive programming

[分かりません !!Tfq3QaHoS4a No.12546490]

>>12545980
https://discord.gg/KvEkxDyN
I'm new to discord. Hope this works

>>12546463
https://teachyourselfcs.com/#algorithms

[Anonymous No.12546541]

>>12546490
Thanks anon. What's the Discord link for?

[Anonymous No.12546546]

Are there any interesting and potentially difficult problems that are actually unique to programming, and aren't just a translation of a math/logic/engineering problem?

[分かりません !!Tfq3QaHoS4a No.12546548]

>>12546541
Posted from the thread on /g/:

See everyone next week for thread #1.1.2, where we run through SICP chapters 1 and 2 as a board while everyone else talking about grokking algorithms and debating Stewart vs Apostol vs Spivak

SICP start day: 11 January
SICP end day: 8 February

http://www.strawpoll.me/42389666

Discord: https://discord.gg/KvEkxDyN

[Anonymous No.12546592]

>>12546546
Given that programming is applied mathematics, no

[Anonymous No.12546612]

Is there any other form to CS besides pic? It seems like there is only one way for manipulating a space. What do CSfags even study?

[Anonymous No.12547213]

https://boards.420chan.org/prog/thread/39023/functionalcs2-electric-boogaloo
How legit is this guy's advice? He shills PAPL a lot. He also claims that doing PAPL well will be enough to land a job at Jane Street, which has piqued my curiosity. As someone who's already in their last year of bachelor's in CS, should I do PAPL?

[Anonymous No.12547341]

SICP study group: https://discord.gg/HaPaADV6

I'm really stupid and accidentally set the old link to temporary. Here's a more permanent one

[Anonymous No.12548316]

>>12545980
Thanks for all the info anon... quick question: I started learning c++ about a month ago and I've watched and read a lot of material thus far which has given a very basic understanding and overview of the language so I was wondering what are the best video resources for learning c++? cheers

[Anonymous No.12548899]

>>12548316
C++ Primer by Lippman

[Anonymous No.12548946]

>>12546047
>gatekeeping bullshit
Kill yourself, midwit.

[Anonymous No.12548951]

>>>/g/

[Anonymous No.12549475]

>>12548951
Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes. — (Mis)attributed to Edsger Dijkstra, 1970.

[Computer science] is not really about computers -- and it's not about computers in the same sense that physics is not really about particle accelerators, and biology is not about microscopes and Petri dishes...and geometry isn't really about using surveying instruments. Now the reason that we think computer science is about computers is pretty much the same reason that the Egyptians thought geometry was about surveying instruments: when some field is just getting started and you don't really understand it very well, it's very easy to confuse the essence of what you're doing with the tools that you use."
Hal Abelson (1986) Introduction of video of lectures on the Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs

[Anonymous No.12549510]

>>12548899
Ill check that out now... thank you anon much appreciated :)

[Anonymous No.12549545]

>>12549510
https://b-ok.cc/book/1313328/50b0c1

[Anonymous No.12549606]

>>12549475
cope and seethe cs tranny. you will never be woman

[Anonymous No.12549737]

>>12549606
Wtf?

[Anonymous No.12549794]

>>12549545
Thank you anon :)

[Anonymous No.12549883]

SICP is fucking gay you can learn all the epic valuable insights without having to learn some gay language. Telling someone to read SICP is like telling an ESL to learn Latin before English. And yes I will stick around in this thread and fling shit at autists who say otherwise.

[Anonymous No.12549941]

>>12549883
what's wrong with being gay anon? do you not like men that love ze spunkin shaft

[Anonymous No.12550078]

>>12549883
Lisp is nothing. You can learn it all in a single day. That's the whole point in using it, you can talk about the ideas without learning the syntax

[Anonymous No.12550350]

>>12547213
Anyone??

[Anonymous No.12550382]

not science or math

[Anonymous No.12550407]

>>12549883
I actually don't know lisp, but can do this. Don't know if it'll run.
[code];; produces what's wrong with learning lisp
;; x is days you spent learning lisp

(defun whats-wrong-with-learning-lisp (x)
(cond
(= x 0) (write-line "Nothing"))
(t (what's-wrong-with-learning-lisp (- x 1)))

[Anonymous No.12550846]

>>12550382
Tell that to all those first years that fail Analysis 101 and are forcefully disenrolled.

[Anonymous No.12550887]

>>12545980
Thanks, but I am not interested in joining your cult unless you have sexual rituals

[Anonymous No.12550946]

Hey, University starts in august. I graduated high school back in July and have done nothing ever since. What are somethings i should get done? I will be majoring in Bachelors in computer science. I was maybe thinking of completing harvard cs50 and getting a cisco ccna certification so it looks good on my resume.Am i on the right path? Can any anon advice me?

[Anonymous No.12551184]

Hi guys, I'm soon about to start working on my undergrad thesis and want to brainstorm interesting topics. Perhaps something related to graph theory. I've been thinking about doing something with ML and finding dominating sets.

[Anonymous No.12551238]

>>12551184
>Undergrad thesis
Is this optional?

[Anonymous No.12551301]

Do I need to study Theory of Computation and Grammars before I can understand how compilers work?

I've studied every topic except compilers and the mathematical background of them. I know the grammar of formal languages came from Chomsky, and then some other mathematicians formalised it right, like RegEx is implemented using formal grammars.

[Anonymous No.12552017]

>>12551301
Grammars help; theory of computation isn't as important.

[Anonymous No.12552538]

>>12545980
>>12546490
Finally a working link: https://discord.gg/3JajyFDYvp

[Anonymous No.12552960]

>>12546548
It says invitation not valid.

I really want to take part of the group, please fix

[Anonymous No.12552967]

>>12552960
>>12547341

[Anonymous No.12552977]

>>12552960
THIS ONE: >>12552538

[Anonymous No.12552979]

Reminder to use the newer, LaTeX (pronounced laytek) version of SICP:
https://opendocs.github.io/sicp/

Or if you prefer using your web browser:
https://sarabander.github.io/sicp/html/index.xhtml

[Anonymous No.12553026]

>>12550382
retard

[Anonymous No.12553042]

why compilers are allowed to be so fucking aweasome?

[Anonymous No.12553172]

>>12553026
mad

[Anonymous No.12554142]

What is a mathematically rigorous CS program from a university that I can follow?
i.e.
Instead of starting at Calculus it should start at Analysis.

[Anonymous No.12554155]

>>12554142
any undergraduate math degree

[Anonymous No.12554192]

>>12552979
Fucking TeX man. I’ve nearly corrected my girlfriend trying to put on condoms half a dozen times now.

[Anonymous No.12554195]

>>12554142
Dual major as math and cs. Go into finance, make that dosh

[Anonymous No.12554235]

>>12554142
MIT OCW?? Or Berkeley or CMU EECS

[Anonymous No.12554236]

>>12554195
How do I enter into finance if I'm only doing cs

[Anonymous No.12554252]

>>12554236
By going into a master's program:
https://www.ox.ac.uk/admissions/graduate/courses/msc-mathematical-and-computational-finance

[Anonymous No.12554267]

>>12554192
>I’ve nearly corrected my girlfriend trying to put on condoms half a dozen times now
Just get her to do an std test and then you can let her cum inside without worrying

[Anonymous No.12554417]

>>12554252
>Oxford
I fear it is too competitive for me (

[Anonymous No.12554629]

>>12549883
Lisp is basically untyped lambda calc you shit-flinging monkey, there's nothing to learn

[Anonymous No.12554637]

>>12554142
Rigorous is one that implements all the concepts in some well behaved language

[Anonymous No.12555116]

>>12546047
The absolute state of computer """""""""science"""""""
where calculus is a brainlet filter.

[Anonymous No.12555194]

>>12546546
Remember that course, probably calc 2 or 3, where you had to learn matlab but got like 2 weeks to learn it? These morons are just perfecting matlab. And if you can't write basic code in at least 1 language to do recursive crap, I don't know how you can even say you know math.

[Anonymous No.12555422]

>>12546047
I don't think the average /sci/ poster is filtered by calculus. This thread's counterpart on /g/, on the other hand...

[Anonymous No.12557138]

neat

[Anonymous No.12558759]

>>12554637
> Well-behaved language
You mean maths?

[Anonymous No.12560615]

Bump

[Anonymous No.12561761]

How many people are here just because they want to make video games?

[Anonymous No.12561766]

>>12561761
I just wanna get a quant or FAANG job

[Anonymous No.12562095]

>>12561766
>FAANG
I love how Microsoft got removed from that group.
It's justified, but they probably only did it to avoid shit like MAGA(NF).

[Anonymous No.12562149]

>>12562095

Microsoft are there in spirit, but yeah otherwise every would call it FAGMAN.

I kinda wanna work at MS, seems like they have the best culture, maybe Google is 2nd place. The others can suck my balls.

[Anonymous No.12562187]

>>12549883
>Telling someone to read SICP is like telling an ESL to learn Latin before English
Being German-English bilingual, I'd say that German and Latin should be low-key taught in English lessons:
- German for a better understanding of grammar and lower-class words;
- Latin for a better understanding of upper-class words.

Not sure if French or Norwegian are even necessary; maybe a smattering of Greek, though?

[Anonymous No.12562200]

>>12561761
Why would anyone want to do that, bust your ass for some shit code and garbage story/gameplay?

[Anonymous No.12562240]

If I self teach Math to supplement my CS powers, how can I prove that to an employer? Surely they won't take my word for it.

[Anonymous No.12562256]

>>12562240
If you pass the interview with flying colours and mention "oh by the way, I make derivatives my bitch" they'll hook you up with working with a team that's working on ayyy lmao tech (as far as cs grads are concerned). But really, it just means you know what your limits are and know what kind of jobs you want to apply for. When you put it on your resume, they'll know what questions to ask you if it's the right kind of job

That or you can just test out of a few classes, and get your double major in cs and math. Bills yo

[Anonymous No.12564336]

ya

[Anonymous No.12564860]

>>12562200
Coding is fun, video games are fun, put them together, and you get a great resume

[Anonymous No.12565206]

>>12562240

Here are the applications of advanced math in CS:

AI (meme)
Game engines
Maybe Quant stuff

that's it

[Anonymous No.12565854]

>>12549883
Agreed. Everything you learn on SICP you learn way more in in-depth/less hand-wavy in a Compiler/Automata and a basic algo class without this garbage made-up language.

[Anonymous No.12566132]

>>12558759
I think any good *ml can represent pred calc. If you're spicy and want sequents, iirc coq is capable of that.

[Anonymous No.12566562]

>>12565854
I'm an EE and want to improve my programming skills and so far have found the book ok. Do you have any recommend reading to get into Automata?

[Anonymous No.12566615]

>>12566562
If you don't really care about TCS problems or other shit, you're probably better off just studying formal and programming languages or algos. It intersects, so you'll still whatever extremely important results from automata that could've been pertinent to you.

[Anonymous No.12566732]

>>12566615
TCS?

[Anonymous No.12566911]

>>12566732
Theoretical computer science, basically the pure math of CS.

[Anonymous No.12567505]

Hello guys, i just got accepted in a University for CS, im gonna start in two weeks or so, but im having an existencial mathematical crisis, im afraid that im never gonna be good in math, and fuck up my career, should i give up already? or there is hope for dumb people like me?

[Anonymous No.12567662]

>>12567505
The amount in math in CS is exaggerated. Do as little or as much as you want past calculus.

[Anonymous No.12568156]

>>12562240
show them a project that proves it.

[Anonymous No.12568439]

>>12545980
>Remember, you don't need to be a computer scientist to be a good programmer, but it sure does help
cope level over 9k
your real gods are mathfags, physicsfags , chemfags and EE fags. Without them, your "science" wouldnt exist.

[Anonymous No.12568679]

CSbros... is a finite state diagram really necessary in designing a programming language? Our CS program here seems stupid, they make everything mechanical and tedious since everyone here lacks the proper math background.

[Anonymous No.12568770]

>>12568679
Depends on how you use 'em. For example one of the of the (rather basic, conceptually) ways to make a parser/regex interpreter is an FSM.

[Anonymous No.12568821]

>>12568770
There's also a whole slew of shit like using FSMs as internal mechanisms of agents, as event/error handling, etc. I'm not formally educated on the topic, but I used 'em a couple times, and it provided a nice, understandable abstraction on many different levels (of abstraction). desu the best part is that you can produce shitty diagrams that management and other brainlets can pretend to understand, but hopefully it never comes to this.

[Anonymous No.12568933]

>>12568439
>draw out algos on sand with finger
>not even with a rock on a softer rock, physishits can suck the farts out my ass
better hurry up to write it down on your fancy computer before it's washed out by the waves, Shekelstein needs that 0.005% runtime memory optimization in those simulations that you're paid pennies to run. Before long, he'll drag you out the back and put you down because you're too old and can't remember what you're supposed to plug in for the parameters lmao

[Anonymous No.12569025]

>>12568439
do you think is worth it to change majors from EE to CE/CS? Assume I get top grades on both

[Anonymous No.12569034]

>>12567505
You need to make it past the entry tier math lectures. Don't think lightly of those. In many countries those are used to filter the students.
Do the fucking exercises diligently, and you'll most likely be fine, though.
That may mean a dozen hours per exercise. I'm not exaggerating there.
I'm good at math, graduated from high school as top of the year, but the entry level math lecture exercises brought me to tears back then. Never let that discourage you! Bite your way through! You are not alone! You can do it!
After that math still plays a major role in CS, but it's really not as difficult anymore.

[Anonymous No.12569062]

>>12569025
With EE you get access to cool stuff in labs. Everything in cs you can pick up using the guide in OP on your own. Really, just do whatever you're most interested in. IF EE makes you miserable, go ahead and switch, but either way, if you go for a cs job, you'll still have to pass the interview, and everyone has to study for those, even CS graduates

[Anonymous No.12571129]

ye

[Anonymous No.12571610]

I know this question will have been asked a hundred times before. Can anyone recommend an introductory ML online course? Please help out a noob.

[Anonymous No.12571635]

>>12561761
I just wanna work from home in comfy comfy rural forest town.

[Anonymous No.12571664]

>>12565206
How is AI a meme?

[Anonymous No.12571667]

>>12545980
What's the best school in California for CS? Thinking about UC Berkeley vs Cal Poly SLO

[Anonymous No.12571934]

I've been trying to understand quaternions for 5 hours now with no success, I fear my IQ score of 76 is finally showing its limits...

[Anonymous No.12571963]

Anyone here learning from TAOCP? I'm planning to start it tomorrow to gain a rigorous background on algorithms.