/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.12529761]

What do you guys think of the Russian Vaccine? It's the one they are giving in my country

[Anonymous No.12529806]

>>12529761
>It's the one they are giving in my country
what kind of a shithole is that?

[Anonymous No.12529826]

It's disabled virus vaccine not mRNA I think, so it's technically worse but should be ok. But there are some questions about trials afair.
>>12529806
somewhere in south america i'm guessing

[Anonymous No.12529842]

>>12529806
Shitgertina. The Astra-Zeneka one will arrive in a few months. We were going to get the Pfizer one, but one of the concessions they wanted was liberating the company of any responsability for adverse effects.

>>12529826
>But there are some questions about trials afair.

Didn't they publish phase 1 and 2 in The Lancet?

What makes me doubt is that suddenly and out of the blue a poor shithole with barely any contribution in science (except some Physics) developed a vaccine so quickly.

[Anonymous No.12529975]

>>12529842
It's a fucking vaccine, not that hard to develop. What differs is the rigour in its testing

[Anonymous No.12529984]

>>12529761
>Russian Vaccine

No thanks, putin is a retarded tyran, even more dangerous for Mankind that was trump

[Anonymous No.12530630]

>>12529761
Probably trust it more than the pfizer one desu

[Anonymous No.12530650]

>>12529761
It gonna kill ya

[Anonymous No.12531035]

>>12529761
Seems more sensible than the AZ one, using two different Adenoviruses. Otherwise you may become immune to the vector itself.
I'll stick with mRNA though. Fewer side effects and it's a fucking great piece of technology.

[Anonymous No.12531499]

>>12529761

I heard they can be pretty harsh on female ovaries.

[Anonymous No.12531523]

>>12529984
>No thanks, putin is a retarded tyran, even more dangerous for Mankind that was trump

[Anonymous No.12531671]

heres a thought, don't take a vaccine for a fucking cold. You don't get flu vaccines do you? same deal here.

[Anonymous No.12531697]

>>12529761
it's probably fine, I wouldn't worry to much about it.
the data from the russian vaccine is similar to the data from the Pfizer/BioNTech and the Moderna vaccine, which is what you'd expect since they're targeting the same protein. we have no reason to doubt the Russian vaccine.

[Anonymous No.12531702]

>>12531523
true, you're right, trump actually is more dangerous. as the president of the most powerful nation on earth, he has the potential to do far more damage than putin could

[Anonymous No.12531851]

>>12531697
>the data from the russian vaccine is similar to the data from the Pfizer/BioNTech and the Moderna vaccine
Absolutely not. It's similar to the Astra Zeneca one. mRNA has much higher efficiency.

[Anonymous No.12531856]

>vaccine
Why? You're probably a young person posting here. You have an immune system.
Take the chance with the 99,7% survival rate.

[Anonymous No.12531903]

>>12531856
Imagine being a year into this shitshow and STILL arguing with muh death rate.
Are you so scared of the virus that you refuse to educate yourself about it?

[Anonymous No.12531909]

>>12531903
I'm not scared of the virus at all. I actually think I may have already had it though it may have been a cold.

[Anonymous No.12531931]

>>12531909
>I'm not scared of the virus at all
Then why are you afraid to educate yourself about it? Why are you still arguing with the death rate, which has been known since February to be rather small and almost irrelevant?

[Anonymous No.12532072]

>>12531931
wtf are you eve non about?

[Anonymous No.12532078]

>>12529761
Post-Soviet Russia has the infrastructure to develop and deploy a vaccine, let alone this quickly?

[Anonymous No.12532086]

>>12529826
>It's disabled virus vaccine not mRNA I think, so it's technically worse but should be ok
technically that's actually much better

[Anonymous No.12532089]

>>12532072
he's implying it's the non-symptomatic transmission that's the killer in you
however there is zero hard evidence for that
simply scare tactics

[Anonymous No.12532091]

>>12532072
Im saying you're closing your eyes to the real effects of the disease and desperately hang on to the death rate, which everyone else moved away from almost a year ago. To me it looks like you're doing this out of being scared.
Any more comprehension problems?

[Anonymous No.12532102]

>>12532091
>which everyone else moved away from almost a year ago.
kinda stupid if you ask me

[Anonymous No.12532103]

>>12532091
The only reason we even care about viruses is because they can kill you. You don't see global quarantine measures to stop the spread of chicken pox, do you?

[Anonymous No.12532120]

>>12532078
one of the scientists working on it was recently murdered: stabbed and thrown out a window.
why is unclear

[Anonymous No.12532126]

>>12532103
we vaccinate the entire population (as children) against chicken pox on an ongoing basis.
the comparison to COVID is inapt.

[Anonymous No.12532129]

>>12532126
If we vaccinate the entire population (as children) against chicken pox on an ongoing basis, why is there still chicken pox?

[Anonymous No.12532139]

>>12532120
In Russia this is normal.

[Anonymous No.12532189]

>>12529761
id take that one if i could
i trust russia, who still maintains the public cold war fallout shelters, to have the best interests of the people at heart more than some western pharmaceutical company

[Anonymous No.12532290]

>>12532103
>The only reason we even care about viruses is because they can kill you
Wrong. Grow up.

[Anonymous No.12532291]

>>12529842
>a poor shithole with barely any contribution in science (except some Physics) developed a vaccine so quickly
Imagine being that pozzed

[Anonymous No.12532303]

>>12529761
It's mostly a placebo consisting of a saline solution and a tiny amount of vodka.
Russian ingenuity.

[Anonymous No.12532309]

the only one I'm getting is the mRNA one

[Anonymous No.12532314]

>>12532189
>i trust russia, who still maintains the public cold war fallout shelters, to have the best interests of the people at heart more than some western pharmaceutical company
only a western dumbfuck could write this, my money is on american people rarely get this stupid and gullible in europe

[Anonymous No.12532583]

>>12529761
I don't trust either one, but ruskies have less capacity (and competence) for disinfo than the west. So I'm not getting either, but if I was forced to chose, I'd go with russian one.

[Anonymous No.12534167]

>>12531851
it literally doesn't
>The efficacy of the Sputnik V vaccine is 91.4%, based on the second interim analysis of data obtained 28 days after administering the first dose
https://sputnikvaccine.com/newsroom/pressreleases/second-interim-analysis-of-clinical-trial-data-showed-a-91-4-efficacy-for-the-sputnik-v-vaccine-on-d/
whereas the BioNTech vaccine has an efficacy of 95% at 95% confidence interval. Compare that to the Oxford vaccine which has an effectiveness of 70% at 95% confidence interval.
>mRNA has much higher efficiency.
Also false, mRNA is a type of vector, and a vector alone does nothing without its payload. Of course, the vector can reduce the effectiveness of a vaccine if people become immune to the vector. This may be why the Oxford/AZ vaccine has a lower efficacy than the others, despite also targeting the spike protein, but Sputnik V uses two different adenoviruses for each dose, meaning that you shouldn't become immune to the vector reducing the effectiveness of the second dose. The BioNTech and Moderna vaccines have clearly shown efficacy, but not shown superior efficacy to the Russian vaccine, they're all in the 90 to 95% range, and there's nothing to distinguish between them in terms of efficacy that can't be attributed to statistical noise.
All that said, the only evidence for the Russian vaccine's efficacy is their own press release, as they haven't published their phase III results yet. So until they do it's absolutely possible to doubt their results.

[Anonymous No.12534176]

>>12532314
why shouldn't you maintain fallout shelters?
seems like that would be pretty handy if there was ever a nuclear war.

[Anonymous No.12534200]

>>12531702
Ahh yes, another dumb as fuck liberal who thinks the President is a king or emperor and can do whatever he wants.

[Anonymous No.12534236]

>>12529761
russians don't have any vested interest in making a bad vaccine, unlike US vaccine which is made by freaks who get hard at the idea of mass sterilization

[Anonymous No.12534244]

>>12529761
Drinking mercury may be better

[Anonymous No.12534256]

>>12534200
Wasting 4 years of time we should have been using to address climate change, and worse, actually making progress in the wrong direction by promoting use of fossil fuels is by far worse a crime than anything Hitler or Stalin have done. It is complicity in a far greater crime than genocide, that of omnicide - the total destruction of all human life on the Earth. No matter how you spin it, Trump and Obama (oil production increased by 88% under the his presidency) are both literally worse than Hitler, and miles worse than Putin. Choke on a fat chode you stupid liberal.

[Anonymous No.12534273]

>>12529806
I am not that anon but we are used the Russian vaccine here in Hungary

[Anonymous No.12534516]

>>12529826
That's much safer vac.

[Anonymous No.12535544]

>>12534167
>it literally doesn't
I didn't know you meant "efficiency" when sayigg "data". I thought about side effects and how it works in the body.
>Also false
That was clearly an ellipses for mRNA vaccine.
>the vector can reduce the effectiveness of a vaccine if people become immune to the vector. This may be why the Oxford/AZ vaccine has a lower efficacy than the others
Exactly, which is why Sputnik V uses two different adenoviruses.
>but not shown superior efficacy to the Russian vaccine
Agree, but see above. More unwanted side effects than the mRNA vaccines.
>they're all in the 90 to 95% range, and there's nothing to distinguish between them in terms of efficacy that can't be attributed to statistical noise
The difference between 90% and 95% is significant with such a large base population. Less so between 91.4% and 94.2% of course.

[Anonymous No.12537317]

>>12529842
Russia is one fo the few countries with advanced bioweapon capabilities.
The only other three are France, UK and China, which coincidentally opened their advanced bioweapons lab researching coronaviruses in Wuhan a year before the pandemic.

[Anonymous No.12537324]

>>12534256
>this entire post

[Anonymous No.12538112]

>>12535544
>The difference between 90% and 95% is significant with such a large base population. Less so between 91.4% and 94.2% of course.
it really isn't at 95% confidence interval
if we subtract 0.9 from 0.95 and propagate a 0.05 error by adding in quadrature, we get a superiority of [math] 0.05 \pm 0.07 [/math] i.e. the error is larger than the difference in efficacy.

[Anonymous No.12538128]

>>12529842
>liberating the company of any responsibility for adverse effects.
yeah no thanks

[Anonymous No.12538144]

>>12529761
>>12529806
>>12529826
>>12529842
>>12529975
>>12529984
>>12530630
>>12530650
>>12531035
>>12531499
>>12531523
>>12531671
>>12531697
>>12531702
>>12531851
Reminder: Russians were the first to put men into space, send machines to other planets, build the first nuclear powerplant, and Russians are also the strongest whites who completely crushed the "German master race".

[Anonymous No.12538145]

>>12537317
Does the US not?

[Anonymous No.12538223]

>>12529761
As far as I'm aware, there's almost no data on it. A news release in November claiming a 90% prevention rate was based based on "39 cases total, eight among the vaccinated group versus 31 in the much smaller placebo arm." That's a stupidly small sample size.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/11/more-data-its-covid-19-vaccine-russia-institute-offers-new-evidence-success

There's been complaints about the lack of shared data.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/12/10/gross-violation-in-open-letter-russian-scientists-criticize-lack-of-vaccine-data-a72311

I would avoid it for now if possible.

[Anonymous No.12538227]

>>12538144
>Russians are also the strongest whites who completely crushed the "German master race".
Not really. The Germans were stupid enough to attack them in the winter. Otherwise Russia would have lost.
Did you know the Russians raped two million innocent German women and underaged girls on their way to Berlin? What great people.

[Anonymous No.12538249]

>>12538227
Germans lost the war against Russia long before the winter, anon. The winter was the final massacre, but they already lost in the Caucuses.

[Anonymous No.12538260]

>>12537324
>no argument
>>12534256
based
Biden won

[Anonymous No.12538341]

>>12534256
Based, fuck drumpf!

[Anonymous No.12538347]

>>12538223
but at least it doesn't have any known sideeffects yet, right?

[Anonymous No.12538352]

>>12538347
let's take two numbers
0/40 vs 40/40000
which is safer?

[Anonymous No.12538657]

>>12538144
/sci/ is heavily infected with soi, plebs, jews and former ex soviet shithole republic refugees, so Russia is generaly hated here. So never argue with those idiots and let them seethe more.

[Anonymous No.12538664]

>>12538227
It was june, and they lost it in stalingrad more than a year later.

[Anonymous No.12538667]

>>12538227
Also rape myth was totaly made up by a jewish american author, youre either a shit tier troll or an absolute plank of wood dummie

[Anonymous No.12538686]

>>12538667
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Germany
kys

[Anonymous No.12539061]

>>12538144
>Russians
>White
I thought this was a science board?

[Anonymous No.12539408]

>>12538667
>t. Hasn't read Solzhenitsyn
Bluepill is strong with this one

[Anonymous No.12539494]

>>12538144
shut the fuck up ivan

[Anonymous No.12539508]

Russians are world renowned for their propensity to form governments which, first and foremost, are incredibly adept at fucking over the average Russian person. So, while I do not believe a coverup of a fake vaccine would be possible in the West, it's entirely possible for a bogus vaccine to be "developed" in Russia.

The fact that retards in this very thread are implying russian government is somehow better than western ones is proof of how deeply their propaganda permeates the internet. Imagine being a useful idiot for a KGB colonel on an anonymous imageboard for free.

[Anonymous No.12539514]

>>12538227
It was really because the Germans got held up by the Italians when they wanted to attack Russia 2 months earlier, and they hit too far north.
The Germans actually came shockingly close to winning the war against all of Europe bar Britain. It's a far cry from how pop history likes to spin it as the Germans being a bunch of retards led by a mustachioed retard who were never going to amount to anything anyway.

[Anonymous No.12539701]

>>12539514
True. History is written by the victors.

[Anonymous No.12539709]

>>12538686
>>12539408
>wikipedia
>solzhenitsyn
you two are beyond saving

[Anonymous No.12539740]

>>12529842
>liberating the company of any responsability for adverse effects.
As opposed to the russian manufacturers just ignoring any claims?

[Anonymous No.12539752]

>>12539709
>I don't know how to scroll to the bottom of a Wikipedia page to find the actual sources
Less so than you.

[Anonymous No.12539753]

>>12538686
>>12539408
just imagine being such bluepilled
1)

[Anonymous No.12539757]

>>12539408
>>12538686
2) and the havy one.

[Anonymous No.12539781]

>>12539753
The female arm of the RAF was 5000 women strong. They all deserted. You're a gonk.

[Anonymous No.12539785]

>>12538144
this desu. germaniacs are subhuman.

[Anonymous No.12539793]

>>12538227
Maybe don't attack first? The only thing they did wrong was that Germany and Germans were allowed to exist after the war at all.

[Anonymous No.12540060]

>>12539793
Why? We wouldn't have such an efficient vaccine right now without them. Shittier cars. Less control in the middle east. More nazis in the US and elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.12540418]

>>12532120
Obviously suicide. If it was murder he would have been shot on the way down and the autopsy would have found poison in his body.

[Anonymous No.12540439]

>>12538227
You ignorant dick. They attacked in June 1941, the middle of summer. And the Russians barely stood a chance of losing. Even if the Germans had taken Moscow AND Leningrad in the first year it would have merely delayed the eventual Russian victory. Learn some logistics, economics and military history before you open your pig stupid clusterfuck of a retard mouth again.

[Anonymous No.12540613]

>>12540439
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/magazine/2020/05-06/soviet-victory-battle-berlin-finished-nazi-germany/
>In November 1942 Operation Uranus was launched by the Soviets, and the German Sixth Army at Stalingrad was encircled. Some historians have seen this as the turning point of the war.
Peak Dunning-Kruger.