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Should STEM curriculums include mandatory Philosophy classes?

>> No.12518013

Yes

>> No.12518030

>>12518012
>>12518013
No.

>> No.12518033

>>12518012
>>12518013
>>12518030
Maybe

>> No.12518036

>>12518012
>>12518013
>>12518030
Maybe

>> No.12518037

>>12518013
>>12518030
>>12518033
>>12518036
Can you repeat the question?

>> No.12518066

>>12518012
Hard to believe stemistas dont know what the scientific method is. It comes from Galileo. I remember Galileo. I remember 100 authors against Einstein. Just remind them its not about consensus.

>> No.12518071

>>12518037
you're not the boss of me now

>> No.12518076

Europe vs America in 1 picture

>> No.12518090

idk everyone should read philosophy tho

>> No.12518093

>>12518037
and you're not so big

>> No.12518094

>>12518012
No. And this is coming from somebody who just took Philosophy classes, and someone who enjoys philosophy.

>> No.12518095

>>12518012
Philosophy was still relevant at the time the left ones were alive. We know way more now, enough to know philosophy has been made completely obsolete by science.

>> No.12518102

>>12518095
how so?

>> No.12518103

>>12518095
and how did you come to this conclusion? by using philosophy

>> No.12518115

Yes. And Philosophers also should have mandatory science classes.

>> No.12518121

>>12518115
>And Philosophers also should have mandatory Math classes.
ftfy

>> No.12518135

>>12518012
My math undergrad had a mandatory 7.5 ECTS phil course. Best course I had on undergrad actually.

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>>12518095
What we know more? Besides the Standard Model, those people lived in the QM and GR times, same stuff we are still into.

>> No.12518156

>>12518012
Yes. Start with the greeks.

>> No.12518480

Idk who the old faggots on the left are but the guys on the right remind me of the really smart kid who wore all black and would talk about websites like reddit and discord in computer lab in middle school so they're probably smarter

>> No.12518486

>>12518012
I believe an introductory philosophy course wouldn't hurt. Predicate logic + writing skill.

>> No.12518508

>>12518480
I was on 4chan and IRC during middle school, but i never spoke, so I guess I'm the bros on the left

>> No.12519807

>>12518012
>curriculums
*curricula
Fucking brainlets.
>mandatory Philosophy classes?
Mandatory Latin classes for sure.

>> No.12520305

>>12519807
Both curricula and curriculums are considered correct.

>> No.12520308

>>12520305
Only the former IS correct.

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>>12518012
Yes, I'm tired of undergrad morons without any grasp on reality trying to "big think" without a proper framework.
Don't (You) me.

>> No.12520317

>>12520308
>The plural of curriculum is curricula. ... Curricula is the plural in Latin. In American English, the plural is curriculums. Both are correct, although in academic writing, there is a tradition of using the Latin plurals.

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12520322

>>12520317
Since when is 4chan an "academic setting", mhm?

>> No.12520336

Only pre-20th century philo. Philo is mostly homofascism after 1899.

And add a writing course as a requirement. Half these immotards in the U.S. who should know better can’t express a thought outside of an equation or code.

>> No.12520625

>>12520317
It's only "correct" because too many retards use it incorrectly. With language, you'll lose your heritage as well.

>> No.12520850

Is it going to be the standard navel gazing philosophy where you can't prove anything exists and the only correct argument is gargling the professor's balls? If so, no, that kind of shit belongs in the humanities. STEM majors already have to take too much of that crap. If it is something like Logic, then fine, it can have value, otherwise it is nothing more than a jobs program for people who are so stuck in their heads that they'd starve to death without someone grounded in reality getting them food.

>> No.12520916

>>12518012
at the very least maybe it would teach stemlords to write if they had to do a few more papers

>> No.12521352

>>12518012
No, but philosophy classes should be mandatory in high school

>> No.12521373

Should be in high school.
Plato, Aristotle, Leibniz, Newton. All they need.

>> No.12521400

>>12521373
Scratching that. Also gonna add old Chinese and Middle East philosophy overviews. For better overall complex understanding of things and their paths.

>> No.12521415

>>12518012
>Should STEM curriculums include mandatory Philosophy classes?

Sure, I'd love more classes to skip so that I can spend more time studying hard math and physics.

>> No.12521431

>>12518012
No, because you can't teach philosophy in a college course. Modern education is a broken institution. STEM students should study philosophy in their own time, though.

>> No.12521451

>>12521400
Eastern philosophy is retarded

>> No.12521603

No. College is just another tool they cannot hand hold on everything if you don't already learn languages philosophy history poetry sociology and religion just as part of how you are then no amount of "classes" will make you from an NPC into a human being

>> No.12524025

>>12520322
The context is academic. "academic setting" refers to use in an academic context, which OP was doing, not to the forum it is used in.

>> No.12524052

>>12518121
This.

God I tried to bring up a point involving relatively basic math and the professor was completely confused by the math part. Just had to let it go to be honest but it always bothered me that anytime even a bit of math was brought in it was like tossing iron shavings into a transformer.

>> No.12524054

>>12520625
Oh no, however will anyone recover from the tragic loss of slightly confusing plural grammar?

>> No.12524113

The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.

>> No.12524161

>>12518012
The scientists on the right are only hostile because modern philosophy itself continually tries to undermine scientific foundations and has done so for the past century.
If philosophers stopped beating the Enlightenment to death, stopped promoting garbage about the non-existence of objectivity, and stopped talking about the flaws of too much rationality, then there could be far more interdisciplinary dialogue.

That's not going to happen though, because modern philosophers are fundamentally a greedy and uncompromising people.

>> No.12524180

>>12518012
Yes. Its embarassing to hear scientists talk shit about philosophy every time

>> No.12524249

Unironically yes. It's a tragedy that science departed from philosophy at all.

>> No.12524304

>>12518012
bill nye isn't a scientist

>> No.12524330

>>12524054
We won't. That's the point. Language influences culture, and culture influences language. Let go of one, you'll lose the other.
But hey, I guess it's more inclusive to just fuck your own heritage to allow others to come into the mix. Diversity makes us stronger.

>> No.12524545

>>12520317
>In American English
Well there's your problem. It's curricula, my niggum

>> No.12524558

>>12518076
This. Everybody in (non vocational) high school in France have philosophy classes.

>> No.12524666

>>12518095
absolute brainlet take