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Anonymous Thu, Dec 24, 2020 16:23:45 No.12504049 [Reply] [Original]

When is the launch cost going to be low enough for some ancaps to attempt colonizing space to escape governments on earth?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 24, 2020 16:26:51 No.12504059 >>12504049 never

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 24, 2020 16:35:20 No.12504103 >>12504049 Why not fight governments instead?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 24, 2020 16:35:37 No.12504105 >>12504059 what makes you say that? >$15m to launch 3800kg >$44m to launch 22800kg

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 24, 2020 16:42:59 No.12504130 >>12504049 Starship: $300/kg Cost per flight: $20m Payload to LEO: 150 000

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 24, 2020 16:43:35 No.12504134 >>12504105 You need government permission to launch. You're never going to get it for a sovereign space colony. Building in secret is going to require more resources and has a high chance of being discovered before you are ready.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 24, 2020 16:46:41 No.12504140 >>12504049 >colonizing space to escape governments on earth The launch cost will be the least of their problems.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 24, 2020 16:50:59 No.12504154 File: 59 KB, 657x527, pepe-suit-reading-glasses-sideburns.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12504130 Starship is a pipe dream, and will never happen, let alone happen for less than 500 million per launch Keep coping musktard

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 24, 2020 16:56:18 No.12504168 >>12504049 >cost per kg How often do commercial customers come anywhere near 15t in a falcon 9?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 24, 2020 16:58:53 No.12504173 >>12504168 The government pays for it anyway sweaty :)

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 24, 2020 16:59:41 No.12504176 Tell you when: when the Orion / NERVA rockets go up, which can deliver six metric KILOtonnes to escape-velocity (slightly over 11 km/s) per launch.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 24, 2020 17:00:56 No.12504180 >>12504173 My tax dollars only go to Atlas V launches.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 24, 2020 17:02:57 No.12504185 >>12504168 Starlink launches ~16 tons. I think thats close to the limit with reusable F9. 22t is expendable variant.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 24, 2020 17:04:31 No.12504192 >reusable rockets >literally not needed >cost of maintenance exceeds building new one >"this is the future guys"

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 24, 2020 17:05:52 No.12504198 >>12504140 why? no government has any actual space presence yet and won't for the foreseeable future.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 24, 2020 17:06:26 No.12504200 >>12504176 Still shilling Orion? Why does everyone love EMP so much. NERVA: yes Nuclear saltwater: yes Orion: wtf even

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 24, 2020 17:06:37 No.12504201 >>12504049 Idk shit about rocketry but what is the fuel supply like for these things?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 24, 2020 17:10:29 No.12504211 >>12504201 Awfully expensive, explodes if environment isn't perfect and sometimes even if it is. Should have moved to a nuclear model a long time ago but humans are retarded so the next century of rockety is gonna be a meme.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 24, 2020 17:49:19 No.12504349 >>12504103 easier to just start over

>>	Anonymous Thu, Dec 24, 2020 19:49:50 No.12504720 >>12504130 With possibility for cost to go down to $2M per flight for SpaceX internal launches and down to $20-30/kg.

Anonymous Fri, Dec 25, 2020 01:19:06 No.12505497

>>12504049
Isn’t this the entire point of Musk’s goal of getting to Mars?

He has already said in the past or at least hinted that Mars is free territory so any settlement that spacex happens to set up would be controlled by the company and he controls the company so it would be his and given that his company is the only organisation making any real progress or showing any real interest towards permanent habitation on Mars, it can be assumed that he would be unopposed in these goals.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 25, 2020 01:33:43 No.12505532 >>12504154 I should make a folder of all the hot takes on Space X, then post them in a few years for maximum smugness.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 25, 2020 02:29:02 No.12505652 >>12504134 >You need government permission to launch. Why would some island tax haven not give you one as well? The fuck do they care, they already make a living of trolling larger nations. inb4cabal of illuminati will make em.

Anonymous Fri, Dec 25, 2020 07:09:25 No.12506139

>>12504134
you can launch from any country and build the body in a shed
Indonesia already invited SpaceX to build another spaceport there
it is the perfect place to to launch from for most orbits (all except retrograde and polar), close to manufacturing center of the world and they won't need to beg FAA for permits
SpaceX will bring jobs and other investors, Indonesia will let them do their thing without throwing spanners at them

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 25, 2020 07:18:08 No.12506160 >>12505497 mars is a harsh mistress

Anonymous Fri, Dec 25, 2020 07:18:34 No.12506161

>>12504349
How is leaving earth easier? How is fighting governments hard? Do you know how fake government power is? Cortez took over Mexico with 300 warriors, Lenin took a train to Saint Petersburg and just grabbed Russia by the train station. Fidel Castro took a single boat of marxists to Cuba and took over the island.
Cowards like you will neither leave Earth nor take over it. You will also not be among the #500 million to inherit the future.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 25, 2020 07:21:00 No.12506163 >>12504049 Colonizing space is difficult. Impossible even without constant support from the Earth. Also a bunch of random ancaps will never be able to manage a colony without forming something akin to... a government.

Anonymous Fri, Dec 25, 2020 07:33:11 No.12506184

>>12506160
Well unfortunately all the land on earth is taken by one nation or another so you don’t really have a choice.

It won’t be easy, but the potential is overwhelming. Imagine an entire world of land, resources and potential.

If things keep going the way they are with government space agencies being underfunded, incompetent or both then I guess it’s up to corporations to colonise as they seem to be the only ones that can get away with it.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 25, 2020 08:12:49 No.12506268 >>12506139 Will ITAR be a problem? Rocketlab had to jump through a lot of hoops and that was for lovable Kiwis.

Anonymous Fri, Dec 25, 2020 08:30:43 No.12506303

>>12506161
Cortez had an army of 100,000 warriors from Tlaxcala, a city state that was warring with the Aztec Empire to help him

Lenin was standing on top of a robust socialist movement that at the time was at least 50 years old.

Castro had likewise an established communist party to propel him to power. Even by the standards of this website you are a fucking retard, with an incredibly naive view of the world, which explains why you're even considering ancap being feasible in any way. Teenagers should be stripped of the capability to post online and most rights.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 25, 2020 11:24:04 No.12506757 >>12506268 maybe? probably not he's not going to be selling anything to Indonesian government, which is what ITAR is restricting

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 25, 2020 11:35:04 No.12506793 >>12504049 Space elevator.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 25, 2020 11:52:44 No.12506850 File: 2.57 MB, 854x480, belters spacing terrans.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12504049 fucking belters

Anonymous Fri, Dec 25, 2020 13:08:42 No.12507031

>>12506139
As long as you can keep your intentions secret. Once it gets out, Indonesia will have all of its foreign aid cut off if it doesn't stop you. The number one rule of the club of nations is that no one is permitted to join without permission of the top members.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 25, 2020 23:51:14 No.12508547 File: 195 KB, 2048x1152, EppKrjBVQAARtPq (1).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12504154 Starship is already here

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 25, 2020 23:52:04 No.12508550 >>12504049 Never. Space travel is a pipe dream.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Dec 26, 2020 00:15:05 No.12508603 File: 1.87 MB, 4804x2885, 1608689005808.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12504049 Soon, anon.

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