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why is glyphosate legal?

>> No.12499982

Land of the free, which means free for companies to poison its citizens for an extra buck.

>> No.12500666
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12500666

huh.

>> No.12500804

>>12500666
huh?
why aren't you linking papers like a normal /sci/ anon?

>> No.12500854

>>12499973
Or atrazine. It's not in the EU but is in the US. Look up who owns Syngenta.

>> No.12501574

>>12499973
>why is glyphosate legal?
It shouldn't be. I'm pretty sure it's the reason I can't eat wheat anymore.

>> No.12501579

How did a drain cleaner get this broadly licensed?

>> No.12501583 [DELETED] 

>>12499973
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMuYfScGpbE

>> No.12501586

>>12499973
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeXatquVqAc

>> No.12501604

So what youre saying is this is the perfect stuff to suicide with

>> No.12501710
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12501710

>glyphosate bad

>> No.12503795

>>12500666
not absolutely conclusive given all other possible factors

>> No.12503812

>>12499973
Yeah i mean if you spray that shit, like they do with out heavy machines or gas masks, even water becomes lethal.
I guess some one is running out of his patent there for you need to increase the numbers of deaths.

>> No.12503832

>>12500666
>correlation => causation

>> No.12503857

>>12500666
I'm sure you could make a similar graph with video games or other instead of glypho.

>> No.12503867

>Why is this thing intended for X which has damaging effects if used for something it was never intended for legal

>> No.12503915
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12503915

>>12499973
>COVID vaccines are good and anyone who questions their safety or efficacy is a schizophrenic Neonazi
>5G is awesome and anyone who questions it is a schizophrenic neonazi
>Government and tech surveillance is awesome and anyone who questions it is a schizophrenic neonazi
>Social media censorship and deplatforming is awesome and anyone who questions it is a schizophrenic neonazi

>But GMO crops and the usage of chemical pesticides/herbicides is absolutely evil, and Monsanto and the USDA must be colluding to spread misinformation and hide the truth about the dangers posed by the usage of modern, evidence-based farming practices

What did the SJW corporate democrat types mean by this? And I know SJWs are really bad at critical thinking and they always misinterpret and misconstrue other perspective, so I want to be very clear about this: I myself am a leftist and I absolutely agree that we can and should question the usage of chemical fertilizers and we can and should scrutinize big corporations that work in farming and agriculture. All I'm saying is that these standards have to be applied consistently. If Twitter lefties or SJW antifa activists want to question and criticize Monsanto, the USDA, and Round-Up fertilizer, then they should. But in that case, you have to allow MAGA conservatives and people on the "alt-right" to criticize vaccines and big tech and the "liberal media".

You have to apply the same standards to commies on the far-left and nationalists on the far-right. You can't just pick and choose and say that you are allowed to criticize Monsanto and the USDA, but then turn around and say that anyone who criticizes the Purdue Pharmaceuticals or Bill Gates should be banned from social media, publicly doxxed, and de-platformed.

>> No.12503969

>>12503915
You are an SJW.

>> No.12503984

>>12503969
No, you're an SJW

>> No.12503993

>>12500666
Autism is also "increasing"

>> No.12503994

>>12503993
Robert Kennedy says that might be vaccines

>> No.12504012

>>12503969
>t. Butthurt faggot who wants to let lefties on Twitter criticize the USDA, but wants to ban conservatives for criticizing the FDA and NIH

>> No.12504074

>>12501574
You could try some international bread/pasta from countries where it's banned just to see if you handle them better.

>> No.12504150

>>12500666
amount of transgender people is also rising since 1990 consistently,
same as the amount of muzzies in western nations.
they are not linked to glyphosate use however (OR ARE THEY?!)

>> No.12504156

>>12504074
or get organic flour? just check what they consider organic

>> No.12504166

>>12504156
>just check what they consider organic
well dude, the GMO stuff still grows "organically" on a field eventually.
really a question of definition, but isnt that always somewhat the case?
:^)

>> No.12504194

>>12504150
The jews

>> No.12504387

>>12504194
indeed, sadly few people are educated about that menace

>> No.12504444

>>12504387
the number grows daily, I've seen the old memes in real life now. hope is now a non-zero number

>> No.12504744

>>12504444
mee mees will be real and so will be animu
also sick quads, dude

>> No.12504755

>>12500666
lol

>> No.12504763

>>12504387
I hear they're immune to glycophosphate which is why they're pushing it so hard

>> No.12504805

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/07/26/judge-cuts-billion-award-couple-with-cancer-million-roundup-lawsuit/

>> No.12504838

>>12504805
>washingtonpost.com
post an archive.is version

>> No.12504878

>>12504074
>>12504156
>>12504166
Here's the thing: I can (and do, practically daily) eat a bread made from 'spelt', which is an ancient species of wheat. Just so happens it's made with 'organically raised' spelt.
It could be that the specific gluten is different, or it could be that pesticides like glyphosate never touched it.
I could do an experiment with 'organic' modern wheat for a week or two, but the problems it might cause me internally are just not worth it.

>> No.12504887

>>12504878
spelt has a naturally lower gluten content
there is also the possibility that the production process of your bread is longer and ferments less harshly which would be less aggravating

>> No.12505009

>>12504838
just click on "free this one ttime"

>> No.12505198

>>12504156
farmers can nuke a field with glyphosate prior to planting to kill all existing weeds, then grow crops without pesticides and then market them as organic.

>> No.12505205

>>12503915
why cant they all be bad?

>> No.12505483

>>12505205
>why can't they all be bad?
I never said anything to the contrary. I said we should question all of these things. They could all potentially be harmful, and we should be willing to have conversations about the safety and efficacy of these things. That is my point. We should be consistent and allow all of the things to be questioned and examined. The point of my post was not that all of these things are good, but rather that it is ridiculous that questioning some of these things is perfectly acceptable, while questioning others is not.

>> No.12505539

>>12499973
Because science is awesome!
And i dont care about your morals, yay!

>> No.12505590

>>12505198
the assurance standards are a mess, here to be considered organic you can't use chems for at least two years

>> No.12505934

>>12499973
My uncle got prostate cancer and he sprays and handles bayers rr. Monsanto was bought by bayers.
You can't buy seed and reuse it from major agribusiness in USA. The USA is basically a bunch of privately owned companies masquerading as a nation, the federal reserve is privately owned, and most farmers are subsidized in the USA. Look up ewg.com for subsidies in Midwest states. Most states in the Mississippi drainage basin have high obesity, diabetes, etc. I think Monsanto has its routes in the Rockefeller foundation, whom advocated for population reduction, but I don't know on that possibility. Honestly if you don't understand the lobbying of dangerous monoculture cash crops or you're just another hypocritical welfare queen, I can understand why you'd never question the status quo of the Midwest. Most small farms have been slowly bought up or brought into the fold over the last two decades. Farm equipment is expensive af now due to subsidies. Animals and butchering is regulated(have you ever tried to to make your own cheese and sell it in this shit hole country?) lol. Just because euros banned it doesn't mean they already preemptively patented a new chemical for use. I'm doing temp work in a seed facility, they don't even get patents finalized when their selling new genetic seed, they sure as hell don't care for chemicals. Have you seen the top soil thread also? Welcome to agribusiness peasants, you're waking up when it's to late. Inb4 schzio Inb4 thread nuked.

It'll take a few years for the ground in my area to fallow before the soil starts to regenerate the microbiome to support grass and shrubs. Most farmers aren't tooled for anything besides cash crops, you're not going to eat field corn every day when the dollar is worthless and the feds not you're baby daddy anymore.

>> No.12505936

>>12505934
>Look up ewg.com for subsidies in Midwest states
It's a non-exsistant website.
Typo? I'm interested.

>> No.12505998

>>12499973
Because they clamp, vaccinate, circumcise, and fluoridate.

For the broader answer, it's because most human beings are golem. They're basically sensors that reflexively generate a preprogrammed output. See the responses to this post >>12500666 (checked) for examples. They're basically trauma bonded morons. They think they gave a substantive response, but in actuality they only gave an excuse to keep doing the highly questionable thing we're already doing, because that's what they do. They're choir boys. Their only function in society is to agree and defend current practices. That's all they ever do, that's all they ever will do. They don't have opinions of their own, and quite frankly, I fear they're not capable.

>> No.12506396

>>12505936
i assume he meant ewg.org

>> No.12506997

>>12505205
Just to follow up on my previous reply (>>12505483), like I said I never said these things aren't bad. I even explicitly addressed the point in my post where I said
> And I know SJWs are really bad at critical thinking and they always misinterpret and misconstrue other perspectives, so I want to be very clear about this: I myself am a leftist and I absolutely agree that we can and should question the usage of chemical fertilizers and we can and should scrutinize big corporations that work in farming and agriculture
>we can and should question the usage of chemical fertilizers and we can and should scrutinize big corporations that work in farming and agriculture

I don't understand why people so readily misrepresent and misconstrue other peoples statements. Given that I explicitly said that we should question the usage of chemical fertilizers, I don't know how you drew the conclusion that I was claiming that fertilizers are perfectly fine, they we should not scrutinize their usage, and that all of the other things I mentioned are good. It seems like you either
-don't speak English fluently
-You're too emotionally involved with the topic and that is clouding your judgement and interfering with you ability to understand nuanced positions, or
-You're intentionally misinterpreting my post.

I was just making the argument that all of these products and organizations, the USDA, FDA, Monsanto, Purdue Pharma, fertilizers, vaccines, etc should be questioned, not just Monsanto, and somehow you interpret that as me saying that none of these thing should be questioned and scrutinized.

>> No.12507106

>>12499973
Glyphosate breaks down in a few weeks, this thread is full of tree hugging Greenpeace hippies.

>> No.12507266

>>12507106
what happens to a protein formed using glyphosate substituted for glycine after the glyphosate breaks down?