Scientific Institutions - Is this Scientifically accurate?

[Anonymous No.12497478]

Consider this statement by a leading MEDICAL journal

If the point validated by the available peer-reviewed science?

>Sex designations on birth certificates offer no clinical utility, and they can be harmful for intersex and transgender people. Moving such designations below the line of demarcation would not compromise the birth certificate’s public health function but could avoid harm.

Wider Discusssion:
What issues are there with leading scientific institutions making the point that sex is not an important or even any significant scientific demarcation?
Are they correct?
Are critics transphobes?
How far do political influences and money govern such statements if at all?

https://twitter.com/NEJM/status/1339616345353154560?s=20

[Anonymous No.12497484]

If you look into it it's kind of fucked up but birth certificates are more like ownership needs or something to do with admiralty law and assumptiion of dead personhood. it's fucked up

[Anonymous No.12497498]

>>12497478
Bunch of journals post opinion pieces. There are disclaimers that the opinions asserted are those only of the authors and not the journal or their respective institutions.
In other words, this means nothing.

[Anonymous No.12497510]

Remember this next time someone in a /sci/ thread tries to tell you that there are no problems with politics infesting science and that it's all a made up /pol/ hoax.

[Anonymous No.12497515]

>>12497478
>Eli Adashi
hmmmmm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_Y._Adashi
where was he born
hmmmmm

[Anonymous No.12497518]

>>12497478
Keyword is believe. If you try to push your personal beliefs like a person who get horny by showing his dick expect a terrible response.

[Anonymous No.12497521]

>>12497515
>every single time

[Anonymous No.12497530]

>>12497478
Entire record of birth doesn't have clinical utility.

[Anonymous No.12497535]

>>12497515
I'M TIRED ROBBIE

[Anonymous No.12497539]

>>12497530
Do you believe sex is assigned or determined?

[Anonymous No.12497540]

>>12497530
How tf am I gonna know to screen for shit like AAA ultrasounds in men who smoked bw ages 65-75 or pap smear protocols
>every visit: excuse me were you born with a penis or a vagina thanks
So basically change m/f with p/v
wtf

[Anonymous No.12497547]

>>12497484
>>12497498
Interesting

>>12497510
Google the Tavistock clinic and Keira Bell

Remarkably, since the affirmation culture reached the UK referrals of young girls to gender dysphoria clinics has increased dramatically.
Older men identifying as women has increased dramatically
Yet
Older women identifying as men has not...

[Anonymous No.12497549]

>>12497498
/thread

[Anonymous No.12497572]

>>12497498
>>12497549
>this means nothing.
Vienna?

[Anonymous No.12497605]

>>12497572
>Vienna?
Literally who?

[Anonymous No.12497622]

>>12497605
reference to 80s song
>delet this

[Anonymous No.12497742]

So biological sex is now a social construct instead of gender? Leftist academics and cultural marxists need the rope...

[Anonymous No.12497770]

>>12497547
Try investigating Franz Boas

[Anonymous No.12497774]

>>12497498
you ca'nt just pretend that the journals themselves don't have political opinoins. they'd never publish research that dosen't fit the leftist narrative, and they would never publish a right wing opnion piece. they published this and let it ride on the authority of the journal's name beause they agree with it.

[Anonymous No.12497789]

>>12497530
>>12497478
Of course it doesn't. In the past medicine meant understanding the death and illness of people, and all of sorts of characteristics like sex, age, height, weight, thinness or fatness helped to orientate a diagnosis. In the age of Evidence Based Medicine none of that is needed because there isn't a single study that backs up the relationship of either. Diseases don't exist until published otherwise.

[Anonymous No.12497862]

>>12497478
I have always abhorred how faggots always try to clump together people who have undifferentiated genitals with them. People with illness are people with illness. If they consider themselves ill let them seek treatment, otherwise they shouldn't meddle in the affairs of others.

[Anonymous No.12497865]

>>12497510
They still don't get it, and they never will until the boot kicks them right in the ass just as Bezminov said. They are too brainwashed to care and to cowardly to do anything about any of it even if they did.

[Anonymous No.12498015]

>>12497478
It is a valid stance. There is little gain from specifying the sex on a birth certificate, but *may* cause some harm to transsex / intersex people. If that is the only concern, it is not wrong.
These doctors should however consider that the correct treatment for trans-issues is not penis-chopping but therapy, and removing birth sex from the certificate would only serve to validate the transsex delusion.

[Anonymous No.12498026]

>>12498015
What kind of therapy and any proof that kind of therapy works?

[Anonymous No.12498055]

>>12497478
Regardless of whether or not assigning gender at birth makes sense or not now, it won't make sense soon enough.

CRISPR is a fairly recent discovery. It cannot make major changes to an adult directly, however it's sufficient to engineer an adequate means of modifying and maintaining the human body. Eventually, someone will figure out how to design this system, because it also so happens to be required for curing cancer and aging. It's probably not all that hard, it could probably be done mostly just by adding new behaviours to white blood cells.
This system in turn would allow for much more ambitious modifications to DNA, allowing DNA across the entire body to be modified with the replacement of entire chromosomes possible, obviously allowing changing the sex chromosomes. Changing the sex chromosomes won't magically fully change the body of an adult, but with sufficient control over stem cells it would.

[Anonymous No.12498065]

>>12497484
>admiralty law
you sound like a sovereign citizen

[Anonymous No.12498228]

>>12497484
>>12497547
https://esotericawakening.com/critique-and-inspection-qa

[Anonymous No.12498231]

>>12498015
>It is a valid stance. There is little gain from specifying the sex on a birth certificate

Wrong. Knowing someone’s biological sex is useful.

> but *may* cause some harm to transsex / intersex people

Fuck their feelings.

[Anonymous No.12498234]

>>12498026
Kill them

[Anonymous No.12498272]

>>12498055
IFLS!: The Post.

[Anonymous No.12498508]

>>12497478
>offer no clinical utility

[Anonymous No.12498531]

>>12497498
>this means nothing
Have you been asleep for the last 20 years? Are you seriously this fucking stupid?

[Anonymous No.12498561]

>>12497478
lmao America is a joke

[Anonymous No.12498849]

>tfw can't know if someone in their 50s is at risk for prostate or breast cancer because you don't know their sex
They probably ask to remove it from birth certificates, so they can record it on their own in their private databases. Then, they'd sell this data to Big Pharma marketers or public institutions.

[Anonymous No.12498856]

>>12497478
I don't use windows, so I don't care about some weekly update.

[Anonymous No.12500798]

>>12498561
It was intentionally destroyed.

[Anonymous No.12500815]

>>12497478
I don't necessarily agree with the article, but seriously fuck this shit board and OP. First of all you're linking to a fucking twitter post and not the actual article. Second, you know this will be behind paywall and maybe 1 will actual bother reading it. So everyone itt will be reacting and discussing a headline even if the authors make decent arguments.

Fuck this stupid ass board.

[Anonymous No.12500829]

>>12497478
Every "we" statement is written by a coward.

[Anonymous No.12500832]

>>12498055
Crispy is 50 years old

[Anonymous No.12501206]

>>12498849
interesting

[Anonymous No.12501211]

>>12500815
Its' literally the NEJM's
>OWN
Twitter feed

You absolute troglodyte

[Anonymous No.12502189]

>>12497515
>>12497521
It's just a coincidence

[Anonymous No.12502308]

>>12498015
this.

[Anonymous No.12502319]

>>12500815
>Good argument
Kill yourself

[Anonymous No.12502727]

>>12497510
this, shills have been very active on this board in the last weeks

[Anonymous No.12502730]

>>12497515
Shteyler too
juden propaganda

[Anonymous No.12502745]

>>12500815
nigger, if you click the image on twatter and put the DOI in scihub you will be able to read the whole article
kys

[Anonymous No.12502748]

Do you guys literally think doctors look at birth certificates to determine someone’s sex? And that if sex isn’t on birth certificates doctors will just have no idea of a persons sex?

[Anonymous No.12502808]

>>12502748
> doctors will just have no idea of a persons sex?

Doctor's may well be accused of Transphobic behavior if they do determine someone's sex for a medical purpose such as booking them in for a smear test or pregnancies' screening.

[Anonymous No.12502957]

Fuck a paywall 1/3

[Anonymous No.12502963]

>>12502957
2/3

[Anonymous No.12502968]

>>12502963
3/3

[Anonymous No.12503135]

>>12497478
All societies can survive perversion until perversion interferes with successful breeding and or successful defense of the community. This is considered hate speech in 2020. All disgruntled males need to start viciously fighting the destruction of truth and scientific inquiry. Start by slaying Jews and white good goys. You won't save the truth any other way.

[Anonymous No.12503150]

>>12498015
>there's no medical benefit to knowing the gender
uhhhhhhm sweetie?

[Anonymous No.12503230]

>>12497478
If that will be XX XY and all of below, it's fine by me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_chromosome_anomalies

[Anonymous No.12503236]

>>12503135
>and white good goys
Right, let's destroy another hundred of millions of clueless white boys, while kikes will collect all the contributions afterwards.

[Anonymous No.12504428]

>>12502957
based posting
>Paywall btfo

[Anonymous No.12504489]

The future's so bright you don't need eyes to see it.

[Anonymous No.12504581]

>>12498228
this is some serious schizophrenia my dude
mixing in a handful of real shit in your word vomit just makes you look more retarded since it makes it clear you're incapable of real explanations and logical deductions using the info you evidently have on hand. Claiming "oh I can't explain this is super srs bidness and takes years to understand" makes you look like one of those soifaggots saying "trust the experts".
it also just straight up gets facts wrong in several places
inb4 you claim I'm some jew or some shit
suck my fascist shlong. handing out red herring shit like this is a waste of people's time.

[Anonymous No.12505490]

>>12504581
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU

[Anonymous No.12506707]

>>12497535
Artetah needs to go, blud

[Anonymous No.12506805]

>>12497478
>(((Vadim Shteyler)))
>(((Eli Adashi)))
I don't mean to sound like a /pol/chud but come on...

[Anonymous No.12506817]

>>12506805
cool it with the anti-semitic remarks, GOY

[Anonymous No.12506834]

>he enjoys eaching students
what did they mean by this? How do you get eached and is it painful?

[Anonymous No.12506877]

>>12506805
not to worry though, Miss Goldman is there to back them up

[Anonymous No.12506905]

>>12503230
>all of below
All of them give people clearly defined sexes though. No Y = female, one Y or more = male

[Anonymous No.12506910]

>>12506905
AIS and Swyer Syndrome

[Anonymous No.12506926]

>>12506910
good to know but we're talking about people who are neither XX nor XY, not other intersex syndromes

[Anonymous No.12506927]

>>12506926
De la Chappelle syndrome is on that list

[Anonymous No.12507632]

>>12503135
look fren I'm a kike and I hate all of this tranny shitskin worship culture just as much as you do

[Anonymous No.12507759]

>>12502748
trannies actually go to hospital on serious medical problems and still lie about their sex to doctors even if that can lead to wrong diagnosis and treatment. almost as if they are mentally ill.

[Anonymous No.12508011]

>>12498065
I don't know what that is

[Anonymous No.12508360]

>>12497478
There is somesort of zeitgeist, some truism, some understanding, that pervades academia in these topics. That homosexuals and transgenders are born that way due to some unalterable physical trait in them and all we can do is discover what it is. Anyone even remotely familiar with pop-science and some, but not all, academic research can hear it in their selected quotations, amplified/ignored studies or chosen solipsistic methodology. It's not as if this conclusion were impossible, but for so much of this it reeks like it was decided before the first data point was plotted. It almost feels as though instead of actually trying to find the supposed traits that can predict said behaviors, they are instead just making enough noise and abstracts stating a possible difference in their brains, to provide to those truly interested to mass spam them all as to provide enough ammo to their truism ad populum ad verecundiam, even if the tiny minority willing to spend weeks of their free time looking through it would see they contradict each-other, as it is irrelevant now as the brief discussion has long ago moved onto different subjects.

We, not just as a given race race or religion or creed >>12497510, need to combat anti-intellectualism, not just because some subjective moral argument, but because you aren't in control of it and don't know where it is leading you and your possible descendants. Even if it comforts you to think you are in control.

[Anonymous No.12508426]

>>12497478
Guess the selective service administration is just gonna have to draft them all then.

[Anonymous No.12508445]

>>12508360
and to expand
>as it is irrelevant now as the brief discussion has long ago moved onto different subjects.
and it doesn't matter if you could as most of the time such esoteric knowledge to a layman might as well as be as incomprehensible or meaningful as saying just trust me. Most of your refutation is just giving the layman enough knowledge to understand said argument without losing them to the boredom of one use arcane knowledge they will half-understand, not even from high or low intelligence, but due to it's said seemingly self-encapsulated use.

>Even if it comforts you to think you are in control.
even more than this, as these people don't believe they are necessarily in control if reasoned from themselves as any humans should, rather that their group is temporally being empowered thus they should support these institutions and their backers/controllers because they support what these their group think are their interests due to our non-omniscient view of events or ideals, especially forced upon us from biased sources. And that whatever that group currently benefiting, real benefit or not, will be eventually thrown under the bus as soon as it is within the interest of those actually in control, or, perhaps that group is already being sacrificed without their understanding due to their limited knowledge or reasoning.

[Anonymous No.12508502]

>>12497478
There are two sexes. Male and Female. Unless someone has an incredibly rare genetic disorder, XY = Male, XX = Female.
>>Sex designations on birth certificates offer no clinical utility, and they can be harmful for intersex and transgender people.
Absolutely inaccurate. Here's a few examples
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y_chromosome
>go to the disorders part
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK11729/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3424846/
>behind paywall
https://www.who.int/csr/resources/publications/SexGenderInfectDis.pdf
Being male or female affects your rate of various diseases and in many cases affects whether or not you can have certain diseases. Sex is a vital tool in diagnosing a patient since you can throw out a set of diseases that will never apply to a specific patient.
Two M.D's are behind this. That's incredibly telling of the quality of the medical professionals and their knowledge in regards to . Why are they even considering such nonsense?
>Are they correct?
No
>Are critics transphobes?
No. The people advocating for this are just idiots.
>How far do political influences and money govern such statements if at all?
A lot.

[Anonymous No.12509034]

>>12508502
Begone!
We'll have no nuanced science analysis here
Also:
>based post

[Anonymous No.12509038]

>>12508502
>Why are they even considering such nonsense?
Dare an autists follow the money and connections and go down this rabbit hole?

[Anonymous No.12509039]

>>12508011
t. EU member state citizen

[Anonymous No.12509611]

>>12502957
>>12502963
>>12502968
Thanks ma boi. I can see why the people is getting more annoyed with the the trans folks and alike, changing something that is working because 6 in 1000 people can be offended is ridiculous, fuck, even i am starting to see why the TERFs exists, they want to erase a innate characteristic that is a symbol of pride for them because (how they call them) some "dudes" want to be them.

[Anonymous No.12509841]

>>12497478

I think the way to get around this is to list sex chromosomes on the birth certificate. That is clinically useful as the chromosomes one has has significant bearing on susceptibility and progression to certain diseases e.g. recessive X-linked disorders. It would also account for those with multiple sex chromosomes e.g Klinefelter syndrome.

Does anyone object to this as a pragmatic solution?

[Anonymous No.12509862]

>>12509841
>Let's complicate the semantics of our shorthands so that lobby people can admit the fundamentally binary nature of sex plus genetic diseases that we already record.

No I am not happy Anon. Why did it come to this? Why are these people allowed to continue working in the field?

How many retraction notices are these journals going to forced to post in 30 years after all the harm to science and medicine has already been done?

[Anonymous No.12509917]

>>12509862
>Let's complicate the semantics of our shorthands

Nothing is being complicated - all that is added is a single line listing sex chromosomes. That is all. It isn't fucking difficult to achieve and isn't loaded with bullshit politics (nor can it be interpreted in that way).

[Anonymous No.12509926]

>>12509862
>can admit the fundamentally binary nature of sex

Just listing 'male' or 'female' on a birth certificate does not tell you whether they have a listed sex chromosome disorder. In fact, in most instances the doctor just decides arbitrarily or these disorders aren't picked up immediately at birth as they only manifest some months, years down the line. So yes - actually it would make a whole lot more sense to do proper genetics and find out/include sex chromosome information much like we currently investigate for common trisomy disorders even before birth.

[Anonymous No.12510140]

>>12497515
>Of all the words of tongue and pen
>The saddest are these: '/pol/ was right again'

[Anonymous No.12511929]

>>12509862
I've always said, and moreso since the Keira Bell case
Invest in a law firm or training in law around medical negligence but not as an ambulance chaser but more about these ethics.

It cannot be acceptable that children are being given experimental drugs under the false premise that they
>Just pause puberty

In addition to literally being affirmed into getting bits chopped off
Like all things terrible it comes from Burgenland

[Anonymous No.12511932]

>>12510140
Based and Bard pilled

[Anonymous No.12512373]

>>12497478
Transgender people can be harmful to society.