/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.12484741]

When will aging research advance to where human lifespan has increased by 30 years? 30 years is all we need to reach immortality because those 30 years will buy us time to reach 'longevity escape velocity', where human life expectancy increases 1 year per year because of accelerating advances in biology and technology in general. All of the recent breakthroughs like epigenetic reprogramming, senolytics, and deep mind make me think this is way closer than we think. All we need to do is remove some cellular garbage.

[Anonymous No.12484744]

>>12484741
Aging research will come to fruition in private companies. There are already rejuvenation biotechnology startup companies out there right now, if you know where to look.

[Anonymous No.12484746]

>>12484741
Why the fuck would you want to be immortal?

[Anonymous No.12484822]

>>12484746
It's not about being immortal, dummy. It's about being able to choose when I die and being young and healthy throughout my entire life.

[Anonymous No.12485062]

>>12484746
This. Immortality is for elites, plebs shouldn't think about it.

[Anonymous No.12485665]

[Anonymous No.12485702]

>>12484741
The first person to live to 150 has probably already been born
>>12485062
It will be this way for a while until the techniques get so refined that it would make more money to mass-produce and sell shitty versions of it to the general middle-class populace. Over time, these shitty versions would be refined themselves.

[Anonymous No.12485864]

>>12485665

Annnnnnd??? There have been MANY advancements since this. Young blood and fasting are not really the forefront anymore, and sort of a meme now. It's not a surprise that calorie restriction and 'young blood' has been a thing for a while. And what the fuck is the purpose of highlighting mind uploading and cryonics? Those things have nothing to do with the serious research going on right now.

[Anonymous No.12485957]

>>12484746
Why the fuck would anyone want to spend the last 30-50 years of their life in a shitty physical condition that will only get worse every day and probably destroy their mental condition as well?

If I can avoid pic related, I'd happily live for 307 years as a young man until getting hit by a truck or choking on a piece of bread.

[Anonymous No.12485988]

>>12484741
Unironically, 16:8 fasting all the time, 72 hour fasts 4x annually, light exercise 3-4x weekly (with strength training), low carb high vegetable diet, 8 hrs sleep a night, no or light drinking / smoking will probably push you over 100 cleanly.

This isn't even taking into consideration the progress in biotech we can reasonably expect over the next 50-70 years it will take for us to reach that age.

We all might live a very long, very healthy life. Just don't fuck it up by being a canonical burger.

[Anonymous No.12486076]

>>12485864
It was written in 1992. No one here is going to live to see life extension.

[Anonymous No.12486098]

[Anonymous No.12486101]

>>12485957
Humans live too long
We should really all die in our early 70s

[Anonymous No.12487306]

>>12485988
Most centenarians aren't low carb and don't do intermittent fasting. The only purpose of fasting is to alleviate bad digestion/gut bacteria, nad if you're a centenarian you very likely have your digestion sorted out.

[Anonymous No.12487649]

>>12484746
This. Life is not that great anon, maybe look at why you're so scared of death

[Anonymous No.12487974]

>>12484741
>>12484744
>>12484822
>>12485702
>>12485957
>>12485988
Chad life extensionist

>>12484746
>>12486076
>>12486101
>>12487649
Virgin deathists

[Anonymous No.12487998]

>>12484746
If you want to die, why aren't you hanging from a rope right fucking now?

[Anonymous No.12488108]

>>12487306
>most centenarians don't fast
Fwiw, most people don't routinely fast. Weigh the associative epidemiological observations against the primate experiments in fasting however you like.
>only purpose of fasting is your gut
And I just lost all respect for your opinion. 2 minutes of quick googling would help you.

[Anonymous No.12488170]

>>12484741
You understand that you won't be included right? If we discover a cure for aging tomorrow it will be for the next generation and not yours. That 30 years extra time will be applied to the yet unborn.

[Anonymous No.12488171]

>>12488108
I think "autophagy" is mostly just the catabolic processes necessary to release nutrients when fasting. And fasting isn't some obscure health trick, it's prominent in a lot of religions and cultures. Given this you'd expect the centenarians to be populated with a bunch of monks and yogis, and not mostly normal people. Most people don't regularly work out but they're not found among mass monsters, if something has pronounced effects on people you will find practicioners of it in the highest levels.

[Anonymous No.12488177]

>>12484741
>When will aging research advance to where human lifespan has increased by 30 years?
When I stop shitposting on 4chan and get back to studying biology.

[Anonymous No.12488215]

>>12488171
>I think autophagy is simply catabolism
Pretty uphill climb to square that with the animal and sparse human data on neurodegenerative disease, cancer, and autoimmune conditions in relation to fasting.
>Fasting is found in many cultured but doesn't correlate strongly with centenarian abundance
I mean, I pretty quickly acknowledged this here >>12488108. It's up to you to weigh the experiments against the epidemiology. I'm pretty sympathetic to the idea that confounding lifestyle effects (smoking in muslim cultures, exercise in tibetan yogi land) make it tricky to just write off fasting.

Comparing lifestyles between costa rica / japan / italy (no fasting, long life) and the middle east / tibet (fasting, shorter life) is a pretty shallow way to argue that fasting doesn't impact longevity.

[Anonymous No.12488262]

>>12488215
>Neurodegenerative disease, cancer, and autoimmune conditions
Dangerous intestinal bacteria produce endotoxins, which can induce all of those. Maybe I wouldn't argue if intermittent fasting didnt turn me into a dull skinned freak, but I think it's not something that's very good for you, aside from intestinal lightening.

And even if there are confounding factors in the cultures, it doesn't really account for lack of the occasional fasters that skipped those. Saying that fasting, abstaining from alcohol/smoking, low carb and exercise will easily push someone over 100 is insane, it's like you don't know how old 100 even is. If that was all it took to reach 100 we would be awash in people who reached ages up to 120.

[Anonymous No.12488305]

>>12488262
>Dangerous gut bacteria produce endotoxins that cause cancer
Uh, huh. Sure. Maybe you are into something and the entire oncology / fasting community should listen to you and change their opinion.
>I had bad feels on it so all the literature is bunk.
sperg.
>Doing these things won't push you over 100
Dunno. The current average lifespan in the US is ~80. These are people that were born in the 40s. I don't think it's completely unreasonable to think that a healthy lifestyle now is dramatically better than a healthy lifestyle then. Couple that societal change with active lifestyle interventions and 100+ is actually my bet, even though it sounds nuts at a first pass.

[Anonymous No.12488318]

>>12488305
The average lifespan and general public health now is worse than for older generations.

[Anonymous No.12488862]

>>12485988
Mostly this. However, most people don't NEED 8 hours sleep; Many people get by on 6-7 hrs just fine.

[Anonymous No.12491034]

We should have much more research if the government wasn't constantly destroying it with their regulations and if people actually got medical research degrees instead of getting sociology degrees(another stupid thing the GOVERNMENT did)

[Anonymous No.12491304]

"Millions long for immortality who don't know what
to do with themselves on a rainy Sunday afternoon."
– Susan Ertz, "Anger in the Sky"

[Anonymous No.12491325]

>>12484741
>30 years is all we need to reach immortality because those 30 years will buy us time
>we
>us
unless you are a part of the ruling elite, i don't see how it concerns you

[Anonymous No.12491736]

>>12491304
read a book

[Anonymous No.12492268]

>>12484741

I don’t know maybe I’m going to order a new body to be built by 50. It takes time to get the germ going coagulation. It’s a game of patience.

[Anonymous No.12492783]

>>12487306
That thought process seems flawed, if none of the 8 billion people fast some will reach 100 regardless for whatever reason. Doesnt mean we couldnt have way more centenarians now

[Anonymous No.12492833]

>>12487974
Kek

[Anonymous No.12492871]

>>12487998
not before i piss on your grave faggot

[Anonymous No.12492949]

>>12492871
Well, you have to settle for immortality then

[Anonymous No.12494174]

>>12485062
Trickle-down economics do work when it comes to tech.

[Anonymous No.12494365]

>>12484741
Day after you die, as we have always planned it to be