/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.12475909]

this is the most red pilled place I know

should I get the vaccination as a healthy young person?

[Anonymous No.12475915]

yes yes good good vac good covid bad yes nyayay yyeyey get vac get vac e health you want we want health vac vac

[Anonymous No.12475916]

>>12475915

stfu retard

[Anonymous No.12475920]

Seasonal flu shot? No, worthless.
The covid vaccination? I would not recommend it no, if you are not in danger of it, not this early, not when it's this quickly developed.
Other more important vaccinations? Yes.

[Anonymous No.12475921]

Wait 6 months, while normal vaccines developed over a decade are safe this one has been rushed so hard it could very well prove a disaster.

[Anonymous No.12475927]

Nah. Let others get vacced and profit from herd immunity.

[Anonymous No.12475934]

No. Even if you believe that reaction to covid is reasonable and vaccine is developed in a good faith, waiting year or more is good because gives time to test the vaccine.

[Anonymous No.12475939]

just get dpt and polio
once you've got those you're fine

[Anonymous No.12475965]

>as a healthy young person?
for what purpose?

[Anonymous No.12475970]

>>12475909
First of all I am not a medfag.
There's no way we know it's safe, simply because there might be side effects that appear years after. That's why vaccines take so long to approve. Don't listen to media shills about this being a special case.
So, unless you're in danger from the coronavirus, I wouldn't do it.
Now, there might be travel restrictions for the unvaccinated, so you might have to consider that as well, depending on your needs.

[Anonymous No.12475972]

>>12475970
>travel restrictions for the unvaccinated,

that's racist

[Anonymous No.12475975]

OP here

but what about the potential permanent health issues caused by corona?

[Anonymous No.12475979]

OP here

I'm also mtf trans btw, if that matters

[Anonymous No.12475980]

>>12475909
/pol/ is even more red pilled. go ask there and stay there.

[Anonymous No.12475983]

>>12475980

red pilled is not a /pol/ term retard

[Anonymous No.12475984]

>>12475965

to fug ur mom xD

[Anonymous No.12475986]

>>12475921
>Wait 6 months
this. wait and see what it does to the people who take it

[Anonymous No.12475990]

>>12475916
>stfu retard

[Anonymous No.12475992]

>>12475990

le /pol/ face xD

[Anonymous No.12475997]

>>12475992
>>12475984
Go to school, kid.

[Anonymous No.12475999]

>>12475997

ok sorry I was just kidding

[Anonymous No.12476072]

>>12475983
nice try
this entire topic is obviously your brain on /pol/.

[Anonymous No.12476146]

>>12475909
No, absolutely not - but if you’re willing to offer your health and immunity for social acceptance then go ahead.

[Anonymous No.12478051]

>>12475909
OP, it won't even be available to a """young healthy person""" for at least 3-6 months, maybe longer. You'll have all that time to observe what it does to everyone else (which I predict to be little to nothing bad). So I really wouldn't worry too much about it right now.
The people getting it first are medical personnel and first responders, people who are 'at risk' the most, and people in critically essential jobs. The average fuck won't see it until well into 2021.

[Anonymous No.12478176]

>>12475909
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBBsQmnc8fI
Not after they botched their photo op.

[Anonymous No.12478371]

I'm getting one because I'm done with masks

[Anonymous No.12478385]

>>12478371

enjoy your autism

[Anonymous No.12478645]

>>12475975

There are two ways to proceed: one is with unending exposure to a virus, which, though not likely to kill you, hazards permanent lung damage, cognitive problems and losing your sense of taste and smell, among other problems. The other is a hastily prepared vaccine which, although tested, still has unknown effects in the wider population.

You take a chance either way, I leave it to you.

[Anonymous No.12478735]

>>12478645

Most people infected with the Bat flu are asymptomatic.

[Anonymous No.12478907]

>>12475909
>this is the most red pilled place I know
No that would be /qa/, /tv/ or Washington Post comment sections

[Anonymous No.12479595]

>>12478735
so are most people who take the vaccine lol. who are you to say the bat flu won't give asymptomatic people aids 3 years from now? checkmate atheists

[Anonymous No.12479596]

>>12478735
that's worse as you will infect more people that it can actually kill

[Anonymous No.12479712]

>>12475909
No you absolutely shouldn't. You are at no risk dying from covid anyway, you are risking taking a faulty vaccine, for something that has a <0.0001 chance of killing you. Also absolutely no one has faith in the vaccine, not even Pharmaceutical CEOs see:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXdBo_rZ0bk

stay safe anon

[Anonymous No.12479720]

>>12479596
>Noooooo they will spread the virus that only kills a small percentage old people and obese people.

[Anonymous No.12481109]

This virus has mutated, so this vaccine may cover some of the mutations before they started the vaccine, but the new mutations. Is there herd immunity for the flu no. There is no herd immunity for this virus, they are just saying that to cover their asses. Just wear your n 95 mask and you will be fine and wear it correctly . I am not getting the vaccine and a am a RN

[Anonymous No.12481145]

>>12479712
>memolgy
boderline retard who has finally found his niche market of retards after countless tries to become popular on youtube

[Anonymous No.12481152]

>>12475939
funny you mention polio
India had a resurgence of cases a few years ago, quite a few wound up paralysed, they turned out to be caused by vaccine strains

[Anonymous No.12481165]

>>12479595
not long term enough, potentially it could spread some gene modification that means your children could be infertile

[Anonymous No.12481691]

>>12475909
You could very well underlying issues. Take the vaccine, you end up helping others and protecting yourself from getting long term covid prolems like Erectile dysfunction (no erections) and brain problems.

There is no drawback to getting the vaccine, unless you're allergic but allergy will show up quickly (minutes after getting the shot). And health workers will take care of you.

[Anonymous No.12481711]

>>12475970
>There's no way we know it's safe, simply because there might be side effects that appear years after.
It's safe, you don't understand the mechanics of pharmacology so you're talking out of your ass. There will be no side effect years later.

>That's why vaccines take so long to approve.
They take long to approve because laws are made by arts/humanities retards (i.e lawyers who get elected). They're as fearful as you.

You don't need a 10 year study to know vaccines are safe. Likewise, you don't need a 10 year study to know 5g isn't going to give problems. The problem is that you're not as smart as you think you are.

[Anonymous No.12481717]

>>12479712
Less than 0.0001 % chance of killing you yet still bigger than 0%, is bigger than the 0% chance of harm from taking a vaccine.

[Anonymous No.12482373]

>>12478645
have you tried not being a fat fuck?

[Anonymous No.12482378]

>>12475909
>the most red pilled
kek

[Anonymous No.12482776]

>>12481717
No, it isn't 10% people have side effects worse than infection.

[Anonymous No.12483003]

>>12482776
Oh no headache lasting for a day

[Anonymous No.12483022]

>>12481711
shut the fuck up midwit

[Anonymous No.12483031]

>>12475909

[Anonymous No.12483087]

>>12481691
You have absolutely no idea if the vaccine has any negative long term effects. No one does, quit talking shit.

And vaccines being rushed out and causing long term effects then having yo be halted happens often, it's not "one of those things that happened in the 60s, but we know better". You only need to do a quick Google search to find out this exact same thing happened with a birdflu vaccine 10-15 years ago, and it will keep happening because of chuckle fucks like yourself.

Hopefully this vaccine is fine and has no long term side effects or a high rate of severe allergic reactions, but there's no point in rolling the dice if you're healthy and can just use hand sanitiser and other simple precautions to avoid contracting covid.

[Anonymous No.12483130]

>>12483022
my wife's son works at moderna and he said it actually is programmed to kill people under 100 IQ and gays. For everyone else if your male it adds 2" to your dick size, females go up 2 cup sizes.
this is 100% confirmed

[Anonymous No.12483155]

>>12483130
wow so it's gonna kill you twice?

[Anonymous No.12483159]

>>12483155
Nah I have nothing to worry about, you should have no issue taking it as well right?

[Anonymous No.12483184]

>>12483159
idk man having a 14 inch dick could be inconvenient :(

[Anonymous No.12483189]

>>12475980
I'm really loving this huge influx of permanently asspained leftists we have here now.
Loving every laugh.

[Anonymous No.12483202]

>>12483189
Imagine bragging about being a /pol/tard

[Anonymous No.12483206]

>>12483202
I main on /lit/
Just laughing at how spooked you guys are. It's hard for me to imagine going through life like you do. Thankfully I don't have to. One of the many blessings of a high IQ.

[Anonymous No.12483212]

>>12483206
>Just laughing at how spooked you guys are
Ironic in a thread about the imaginary dangers of a vaccine.

[Anonymous No.12483220]

>>12483206
Why does vaccine skepticism trigger such extreme rage though? It's like getting vaxxed up is the sacrament of baptism for progressives

[Anonymous No.12483223]

>>12483212
>imaginary dangers
>STILL hasn't answered the question of how we know the vaccine is safe long-term

[Anonymous No.12483225]

>>12483220
Vaccines is big step in ending the pandemic. Of course, when you don't really believe there is a pandemic it's naturally you're gonna end up as an anti-vaxxer.

[Anonymous No.12483244]

>>12478735
>Most people infected with the Bat flu are asymptomatic.
But consider the base rate of how many people are infected, and how many people an asymptomatic or barely symptomatic person may infect.

The average person reading this generally shouldn't be personally worried about the virus beyond taking normal health precautions. But they should be worried in an aggregate sense on how to reduce super-linear transmission, which includes distancing, wearing a mask, self-isolating, and getting the vaccine.

One young, healthy, but irresponsible person can easily hypothetically cause dozens or hundreds of deaths, including some amount of deaths among healthy, non-elderly people. This is easy to prevent but also easy to cause if you just act like nothing's amiss

The real danger of viruses like this is the "viral" par. For the cumbrains, think about how like a meme is viral. The meme won't hijack you, but it weaponizes you to meme-consume the whole world. Don't let it ride you like a high-speed train

>>12479712
Fuck off retard

[Anonymous No.12483246]

>>12483225
>y-you don't want the vax because you don't believe in the pandemic!
Jesus, this really is a religion for you faggots isn't it?
Multiple posts in this thread alone concerned about the POTENTIAL FOR LONG-TERM SIDE EFFECTS and you're still attacking a strawman which is just a flat out inversion of your own obsessions

[Anonymous No.12483252]

>>12483246
>Multiple posts in this thread alone concerned about the POTENTIAL FOR LONG-TERM SIDE EFFECTS
as opposed to the confirmed long-term side effects of covid, even for healthy people?

[Anonymous No.12483257]

>>12483246
The goalposts keep moving. Last week the vaccine was permanently changing your DNA, giving you HIV and sterilizing women.

[Anonymous No.12483268]

>>12483220
>Why does vaccine skepticism trigger such extreme rage though? It's like getting vaxxed up is the sacrament of baptism for progressives
Because it and other far-right "what the mainstream media doesn't want you to know" beliefs are generally irrational, and also among category of beliefs where if it turns out wrong it damages all of society and humankind, potentially gravely.

Anthropogenic global warming is another one. If the skepticism is warranted, then there's some gain. If it isn't warranted, then there's an extreme cost. Therefore, if one believes it's unwarranted, intense disgust and rage over the skepticism is justified.

Meanwhile, the other side so far lacks this issue. No belief espoused by progressives which turns out to be a mass delusion imposes anywhere near as extreme a cost to humanity. Their delusions and conspiracy theories are much more harmless and also much less absurd. (e.g. QAnon vs. Trump working for Putin; one one motivated delusion is clearly more extravagant and detached from reality than the other)

Fittingly, the far-right can sympathize with this perspective because they're also examples of the inverse: beliefs which the other side is extremely skeptical of and whose skepticism they believe is damaging to humanity. But, dangerously, these are delusional as well, so now you have a bunch of people who are enraged at skeptics for irrational reasons and who are raged at for reasons they fail to grasp. It's only a matter of time before this results in another civil conflict or war.

[Anonymous No.12483272]

>>12483220
>Why does vaccine skepticism trigger such extreme rage though? It's like getting vaxxed up is the sacrament of baptism for progressives
Because it and other far-right "what the mainstream media doesn't want you to know" beliefs are generally irrational, and also among the category of beliefs where if it turns out wrong it damages all of society and humankind, potentially gravely.

Anthropogenic global warming is another one. If the skepticism is warranted, then there's some gain. If it isn't warranted, then there's an extreme cost. Therefore, if one believes it's unwarranted, intense disgust and rage over the skepticism is justified.

Meanwhile, the other side so far lacks this issue. No belief espoused by progressives which turns out to be a mass delusion imposes anywhere near as extreme a cost to humanity. Their delusions and conspiracy theories are much more harmless and also much less absurd. (e.g. QAnon vs. Trump working for Putin; one motivated delusion is clearly more extravagant and detached from reality than the other)

Fittingly, the far-right can sympathize with this perspective because they're also examples of the inverse: beliefs which the other side is extremely skeptical of and whose skepticism they believe is damaging to humanity. But, dangerously, these are delusional as well, so now you have a bunch of people who are enraged at skeptics for irrational reasons and who are raged at for reasons they fail to grasp. It's only a matter of time before this results in another civil conflict or war.

[Anonymous No.12483276]

>>12483246
Must be a coincidence that the same people downplaying the pandemic just happens to have gone full anti-vaxx

[Anonymous No.12483280]

>>12483246
Pro-vaxxers were suspicious even before, but now I'll probably go full anti-vaxx because they got infinitely worse.

[Anonymous No.12483285]

>>12483272
>If the skepticism is warranted, then there's some gain. If it isn't warranted, then there's an extreme cost.
Reinventing the Pascal's wager, aren't we?

[Anonymous No.12483289]

>>12483276
>must be a coincidence that people complaining about government overstepping bounds are now complaining about government overstepping other bounds
Truly unexpected.

[Anonymous No.12483293]

>>12481152
Specifically from strains in the vaccine from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. There were of course no consequences for the foundation or for Gates.

[Anonymous No.12483295]

>>12483252
If they will give vaxxine to a couple of percents of population, then it's a bit less concerning.

[Anonymous No.12483297]

>>12483289
Yeah that's what I said, but anon got so butthurt he said it was a strawman.

[Anonymous No.12483300]

>>12483130
>Hey guys, if I say really dumb stuff and pretend to be the other side, it will make my side look rational and then I won't have to actually argue my point or prove anything. This is why I FUCKING Love Science!
Try arguing like a rational adult if you want to convince anyone of your position. Your plebbit tactics aren't welcome here.

[Anonymous No.12483306]

>>12483300
Why on earth would you expect anyone to "argue like a rational adult" over a fucking shitpost from /pol/? Gtfo

[Anonymous No.12483327]

>>12483252
most people don't have 'long covid' after recovering from acute infection.
>>12483257
>changing DNA
it remains theoretically possible for it to do this via LINE-1. Theres a preprint paper out studying this exact phenomenon with covid in vitro.
>giving you HIV
it doesn't, but the antibody false positive from the discontinued australian vaccine could theoretically increase your risk of contracting HIV, so it's good it was discontinued.
>sterilizing women
the suspect peptide sequence is probably too short to cause crossreaction, and the covid virus itself would have the same potential issue. That said, how do you know the vaccine doesn't cause infertility? No trial has been long enough to detect this issue.
>>12483276
I'm not an antivaxxer nor am i downplaying the pandemic.
Now will someone answer the fucking question of how we know this vax isn't dangerous long-term? All i ever see are deflections and ad hom in response.

[Anonymous No.12483330]

>>12483327
>most people don't have 'long covid' after recovering from acute infection.
not necessarily the typical long covid, but rather general nerve damage

>>12483327
>Now will someone answer the fucking question of how we know this vax isn't dangerous long-term?
it is almost certainly less dangerous in the long term than the actual virus is

[Anonymous No.12483331]

>>12483306
can you explain in detail why the scenario in the /pol/ shitpost is so dumb? I promise to convert to the progressive religion if you're reasonable. I'll even suck a transwoman's real and valid feminine penis

[Anonymous No.12483333]

>>12483327
>Now will someone answer the fucking question of how we know this vax isn't dangerous long-term?
How do you know you won't die in a car crash when you get in the car. Answer me.

[Anonymous No.12483337]

>>12483330
>general nerve damage
what the fuck does this even mean lmao this is your brain on pop science articles and reddit

[Anonymous No.12483345]

>>12483333
Judging by the lockdowns, possibility of dying in a car crash means that you should never enter a car (or even walk the streets).

[Anonymous No.12483356]

Type 1 diabetic here. Am I more at risk of serious illness from covid? I'm 24 and not fat, so am I just as well off as everyone else my age or am I fugged?

[Anonymous No.12483362]

>>12483345
>doesn't even understand the principle of a lockdown or contagious diseases
You're more afraid of a vaccine than driving a car or getting covid, despite the latter actually being more dangerous.

[Anonymous No.12483367]

>>12483333
>more deflection
Anyway, i don’t know for sure i won’t die but for car crashes there are vast bodies of experimental and real-world data clearly describing the safety profile and strategies for mitigating accidents. I also drive a car most days.
A better question would be how do i know that it’s safe to drive around in a car powered by a miniature fusion reactor that was invented a few months ago and has only been tested a few thousand times, and anyone who questions its safety is aggressively attacked and unpersoned.

[Anonymous No.12483377]

>>12483362
Being banned from leaving home/going to the restaurant/driving a car/refusing the vaccine significantly infringes on my rights. Small chance of a car crash/getting a cold does not. By the way, my experience with flu vaccine shows that it is more dangerous than flu and covid vaccine isn't any more trustworthy.

[Anonymous No.12483380]

>>12483377
>my experience with flu vaccine
covid is not a flu

[Anonymous No.12483385]

>>12483380
>muh not a flu
Yeah, if anything the flu-like illness caused by the covid vaccine is a lot worse than that sometimes caused by the flu vaccine.

[Anonymous No.12483389]

>>12483380
Sure, flu vaccine was tested for many years and still turned out to be awful. Covid vaccine isn't even year old (and there were no successful vaccines against coronas before).

[Anonymous No.12483392]

>>12483367
Why are you pretending there hasn't been any type of testing of the vaccine? It's so bizarre and frankly a strawman.

[Anonymous No.12483395]

>>12483389
>flu vaccine was tested for many years and still turned out to be awful.
What do you mean by awful?

[Anonymous No.12483401]

>>12483395
After getting the flu vaccine I got a week-long awful fever and almost a month of feeling sick. No cold I had before or after lasted more than 1-2 days for the fever and a week for being sick.

[Anonymous No.12483403]

>>12483392
>constructs a strawman and accuses it of strawmanning
The testing has only lasted for a few months, dipshit. I never said there was no testing at all.

[Anonymous No.12483406]

>>12483403
>few months
6 months
several concurrent trials
for several candidates
multiple trials for a single candidate running at the same time

[Anonymous No.12483410]

>>12483406
Exactly how the fuck do you think this works?
You think two 6-month trials is the same as one 12 month trial?

[Anonymous No.12483412]

>>12483410
Joke's on you, if you fuck nine women at once, you can get a child in a month.

[Anonymous No.12483428]

>>12475909
no jab - no job
Yout choice

[Anonymous No.12483439]

dont do it

[Anonymous No.12483447]

>>12483439
you know, I was a bit salty about the democrats winning due to the looting and all last summer
but good riddance this antiscientific goof is over and done come january

[Anonymous No.12483452]

it will go to old people first

[Anonymous No.12483456]

>>12483452
If it has side effects, won't they be more harmful to old people?

[Anonymous No.12483464]

>>12483456
I'm sure a headache is better than dying from covid.

[Anonymous No.12483471]

>>12475909
def wait for critical staff and the people at risk

[Anonymous No.12483485]

>>12479712
How do people like you actually believe /pol memes?

[Anonymous No.12483486]

>>12479720
edgy and lying

[Anonymous No.12483490]

>>12481165
potentially it could spread some gene modification that lets you spit 100 meters

[Anonymous No.12483493]

>>12483022
>look, pol said so
pathetic

[Anonymous No.12483496]

>>12475915
This endless stream of /pol/ fueled conspiracy garbage is getting exceedingly tiresome. It's just so fucking boring, monotonous, and unimaginative. At least put some fucking effort into your trolling you lazy cunts. Trolling is supposed to be an art, but all you fuckers do is flood this board with bottom of the barrel regurgitated and steaming horse shit. It's not even entertaining. No wonder m00t created that containment board. But unfortunately all it did was create a safe space for you mongoloids to get each other all riled up so that you build up the courage to shit all over the other boards too. Just fucking die in a nice, warm, and cozy house fire already. At least that would give us some respite from the cancer that you're spreading.

[Anonymous No.12483498]

>>12483257
nope, that was a pol strawman my dude.

[Anonymous No.12483501]

>>12475909
wait to see if it gives sterilizing immunity or not. If it only protects you from symptoms it doesn't matter to start with as its not a solution to the problem and at best is a tool to protect healthcare workers.

If it does offer sterilizing immunity then the question of whether or not its safe enough to support mass vaccination and what the risks for this are arise.

Always remember there are alternatives, such as better enforced lockdowns and drones delivering fully quarantined people groceries while critical infrastructure and industry is maintained by cells of isolated workers. These things are fully possible to do and the only reason they are not already being done is greed, trading your safety and the lives of the population for personal profit.

Thus, if the vaccine is not both sterilizing and safe, you should demand the end of capitalism.
If it is both sterilizing and safe, you should take it.

[Anonymous No.12483504]

>>12483289
>government overstepping bounds
“Please wear masks in public and hold some distance to protect your fellow earthicans”
>REEEEE MY RIGHTS

[Anonymous No.12483507]

>>12483504
Yes, that's too, but far from only that. For example Nazis forcing Jews to wear star bands was abuse, but far from the only abuse.

[Anonymous No.12483510]

>>12483501
>wait to see
It was already established in phase I and II trials that it does, confirmed again in phase III. The immunogenicity of the vaccine is the same or higher that real infection. That means sterilizing immunity for several months, and T cell immunity for years. Both forms of immunity can drastically reduce the spread of the virus among the population.

[Anonymous No.12483511]

>>12483490
Useful skill.

[Anonymous No.12483514]

>>12483511
spooky
I replayed these games in november

[Anonymous No.12483518]

>>12483022
This is perfect conspiracy retard material.

[Anonymous No.12483523]

>>12483510
is that so? i watched a video comparing the pfizer and moderna vaccines going over their trial methidologies and results and it acted like neither answers whether there is sterilizing immunity or not.

[Anonymous No.12483530]

Well, I already had covid two months ago, so I'm not going to get the shot.

Anyway, my reasoning is as follows: you have two potential risk scenarios

1) you get covid and have a probability of it fucking you up

2) you get the shot and have a probability of it fucking you up

As far as we can infer, if you're not in a risk group, the probability of covid having a dangerous effect on you is very low, and we already more or less have the possible symptoms documented by now. This is not the case for the vaccines, but the vaccines were human engineered, so we have explicit expectations for what they're supposed to do, it's not a blank slate, like covid was when it appeared.

If you're in a risk group, the probability of covid fucking you up is much higher than the probability of the vaccines fucking you up, so you should get the shot as quickly as possible.

[Anonymous No.12483542]

>>12483530
Even if you're not in the high risk group, probability of covid fucking you up is higher than probability of vaccine fucking you up.

[Anonymous No.12483553]

>>12483523
Sterilizing immunity results from antibody levels. In the clinical trials the neutralizing antibody titers in comparison to real infections are a primary outcome.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7583697/
>In both younger and older adults, the two vaccine candidates elicited similar dose-dependent SARS-CoV-2–neutralizing geometric mean titers, which were similar to or higher than the geometric mean titer of a panel of SARS-CoV-2 convalescent serum samples.

These antibodies have already been found to last months, and T cell immunity has been found to last far longer still:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32668444/

[Anonymous No.12483560]

>>12483542
Wrong. The probability of covid fucking you up is
P(getting covid)*P(covid causing bad symptoms on you)

It's surprisingly small.

[Anonymous No.12483566]

>>12483560
Vaccine fucking you up is even smaller so what the fuck are you on about

[Anonymous No.12483573]

>>12483560
To say the vaccine might cause some unforeseen consequences years down the line is true, but it can be countered by saying getting mild or asymptomatic covid might cause unforeseen consequences years down the line.

[Anonymous No.12483574]

>>12483447
at least he funded nasa and pulled the american ass out from where it doesn’t belong. The thing is, I’m still uncertain if he has been memeing the last years or not

[Anonymous No.12483583]

>>12483566
Covid fucking you up, we already have more or less the statistics. Its probabily's in the order of magnitude < 1%.

For the vaccines there were around 5% weird side effects on the trial data and almost half the people had to take paracetamol after the shot. Either way, we cannot safely infer for the vaccines at the moment, so if you're not in a risk group my belief (stress the word, belief) is that the probability of covid being bad for you is low enough not to justify the risk of uncertainty with vaccines for now. Maybe in an year it will.be clearer.

The other argument could be that you can still be a vector, but we are assuming risk groups are getting vacvineated here.
For the vaccine, no.

[Anonymous No.12483584]

>>12483560
>P(getting covid)*P(covid causing bad symptoms on you)
I think you mean
P(getting covid)*P(covid causing bad symptoms on you|got covid)

[Anonymous No.12483585]

>>12483511
yes, the benefit far outweighs any risk

[Anonymous No.12483587]

>>12475909
If you were already infected with covid, there is no point in getting the vaccine. I already got infected, so I am not going to take it. It's that simple.

[Anonymous No.12483588]

>>12483584
The sigma algebra is the same. Your immune system's potential reaction is the same. It's a pedantic argument, here.

tldr what you wrote is correct but is equivalent

[Anonymous No.12483589]

>>12483583
>Covid fucking you up, we already have more or less the statistics. Its probabily's in the order of magnitude < 1%.
I think you are conflating the fatality with the harm it does to your body
just because you "feel ok" does not mean it has not done harm to you

[Anonymous No.12483591]

>>12483583
Covid can literally kill you (even if it's rare). No idea how that is even remotely comparable to taking paracetamol after a shot.

[Anonymous No.12483593]

>>12483588
>The sigma algebra is the same.
>>covid causing you harm
and
>>contracted covid causing you harm
are verifiably two different events

[Anonymous No.12483597]

>>12483593
>>12483584
it is moot either way, since the probability of contracting covid will quickly approach 1.00 unless the population is vaccinated and all you are left with is the probability of having it leading to adverse effects

[Anonymous No.12483600]

>>12483593
No, nigger, that's why you multiply by the prob of getting infected, moron.

[Anonymous No.12483603]

>>12483600
>No, nigger, that's why you multiply by the prob of getting infected, moron.
you have to multiply "the probability of adverse effect conditional on having been infected" with "the probability of being infected"
you can not multiply the probability of adverse effects with the probability of being infected, as those are not independent events.

[Anonymous No.12483610]

>>12483597
all we have to do is weld everyone in and deliver them food with amazon delivery drones

[Anonymous No.12483611]

>>12483593
We are talking about the final probability with the multiplication by the prob of getting infected. Those two are the same, that was the argument, midwit.

>>12483597
Completely false, the convergence to 1 would take decades, that's a complete fallacy.

>>12483591
Only if you have pre-existing conditions i.e. you are in a risk group, what is being discussed is if you're not in one.

[Anonymous No.12483620]

>>12483530
As soon as risk groups and essential workers are done, I’m still gonna get one despite being relatively safe. The sooner we can exterminate this the better for humanity.

[Anonymous No.12483626]

>>12483611
>Only if you have pre-existing conditions i.e. you are in a risk group, what is being discussed is if you're not in one.
That's not true at all. Even young people and kids without any pre-existing conditions die from covid.

[Anonymous No.12483628]

>>12483587
I agree

[Anonymous No.12483641]

>>12483031
>Medicine hasnt changed in ~200 years

[Anonymous No.12483659]

>>12483626
There are also people hit by the meteorite.

[Anonymous No.12483663]

>>12483659
We're comparing the vaccine and covid here champ.

[Anonymous No.12483664]

>>12483591
I'd rather avoid getting the new normal face.

[Anonymous No.12483668]

>>12475909
>should I get the vaccination as a healthy young person?
Get vaccinated when it's ready for you. As a healthy young person you'll be end of the line and all the higher risk people will be your guinea pigs to confirm that it's safe.

>people worried about effects happening years and years later
Do you idiots have the slightest idea of how vaccines and the immune system work? That's the stupidest goddamn thing I've ever read.

[Anonymous No.12483673]

>>12483663
When you will have millions of young people getting vaccine we'll see if none of them will die or get significant damage. Even if few of them will, it will still be comparable to covid danger.

[Anonymous No.12483679]

>>12483673
>Even if few of them will, it will still be comparable to covid danger.
How? Vaccine doesn't give you an infection?

[Anonymous No.12483687]

>>12483679
Even if it does not, so?

[Anonymous No.12483691]

>>12483687
So how will it be comparable to covid? Just because reasons?
If it was killing people like covid we would already see people dropping dead from it.

[Anonymous No.12483698]

>>12483691
Are you using the "something does not give you infection -> that something is 100% harmless for you" claim?
>f it was killing people like covid we would already see people dropping dead from it.
Supposedly tens of millions got covid and a small fraction of them died from it, especially young people. Do you have millions of patients who got the vaccine?

[Anonymous No.12483708]

>>12483698
>Are you using the "something does not give you infection -> that something is 100% harmless for you" claim?
But how the fuck can you make the claim that the vaccine will be comparable to covid? It doesn't even give you an infection. That's what kills you. What's the pathomechanism behind a vaccine killing you?
>Do you have millions of patients who got the vaccine?
Yes.

[Anonymous No.12483713]

>>12483708
Correction that million included other vaccines as well.
Several hundred thousands of the pfizer vaccine has been given.

[Anonymous No.12483715]

>>12483708
>It doesn't even give you an infection. That's what kills you.
Let's get clear
>if something does not infect you, it can't kill you
>if something does not infect you, it can't harm you in any way
Is that what you claim?

[Anonymous No.12483763]

>>12483715
No. You're making the claim the vaccine will kill comparably to covid. It's the infection from SARS-CoV-2 that will kill you. What's the rationale for vaccines killing at comparable rates? Literally how?

And so far hundreds of thousand has been vaccinated and it's not happening.

[Anonymous No.12483777]

>>12483763
How do you get the picture from the vaccine?
While we are at it, how did I get >>12483401 from the flu vaccine?

[Anonymous No.12483820]

>>12483777
>While we are at it, how did I get >>12483401 from the flu vaccine?
Well, the flu vaccine gave you flu symptoms. It can happen. Usually only last for a couple of days max.
Btw. the flu and the cold are two separate things.

As for the Bell's palsy, it's not even certain it is connected to the vaccine yet.

The point is you're trying to paint the vaccine as worse than covid itself. It isn't really backed up by any data.

[Anonymous No.12483827]

>>12483189
sounds like a nervous laughter though.
you sound like a typical poltard. you lost and you are coping. i love baiting you scumbags on /pol/. so much salt there these days.

[Anonymous No.12483840]

>>12483820
So basically if you inject some substance, it can harm you in a multitude of ways among which literally getting covid is just one possibility.
>The point is you're trying to paint the vaccine as worse than covid itself. It isn't really backed up by any data.
That remains to be seen and needs time to be checked. Anyway, just like I don't deliberately inject myself with covid, I will not deliberately inject myself with vaccine.

[Anonymous No.12483962]

>>12475909
This is the most red-pilled place I know.

As a healthy, young person, should I get vaccinated?

FTFY, learn grammar you fuck.

[Anonymous No.12484003]

>>12483962
Go back

[Anonymous No.12484018]

>>12475909
>this is the most red pilled place I know
>lolcow.jog
This place is literally redit tier retards

[Anonymous No.12484035]

>>12484018
hehehehehe .,,,, good one Anonymous that made me lol

[Anonymous No.12484106]

>>12484003
>uses red-pilled
>grammar of a literal child
>tells others to "go back"
Wrong neighborhood, kiddo.

[Anonymous No.12484124]

>>12483022
Dude one of the most common criticisms of the FDA is that any treatment will take forever to be approved, even if they've been used in Europe, Japan, or the rest of the Anglosphere for years already.
The approval for "emergency use" doesn't fucking exist anywhere else.

[Anonymous No.12484174]

>>12483668
I suppose some attenuated live virus vaccines could have delayed effects, if they end up acting like the chicken pox virus giving rise to shingles years later. This doesn't seem possible for the mRNA vaccines or the subunit vaccines.

[Anonymous No.12485369]

>>12483331
I'll do it after you explain why the scenario in >>12483130 is so dumb

[Anonymous No.12485694]

>>12475909
Yes
Read archived mrna threads and make up your own mind